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Who is the Anonymous Postie?

Frankie Andreu and an unnamed ex-Postie admitted their EPO use to the New York Times. While most people are focusing on the larger implications of this news on the sport, I really just want to know who the second guy is. I know trying to "out" people is kind of impolite, but eh...

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Anyway, here's the 1999 Postal TdF Roster, complete with odds and scouting report:

ARMSTRONG, Lance (USA). 0:1. With millions (and I mean millions) of dollars on the line, Lance isn't going to rat himself out. The Texan is so stubborn that even if he did take drugs way back when, he'd have no problem convincing himself now that he was clean all along.

ANDREU, Frankie (USA). 1:1. Good on you for coming clean. But the time to do it was in 1999.

DERAME, Pascal (FRA). 100:1. Would the Times be able to track down an old French cyclist? Or, conversely, would an old French cyclist be able to speak to the Times? I mean, this was all I could find on Derame - and it describes Tyler Hamilton as "not really [a] climber".

HAMILTON, Tyler (USA). 1,000,000,000:1. Tyler continues to swear on the grave of his dog that he would never endanger his wife's life by doping.

HINCAPIE, George (USA). 50:1. Though the anonymous rider has a "job in cycling", I have a hard time believing an active cyclist would confess, seeing as the always-progressive WADA punishes an unsolicited confession like a positive test. George has always been very close to Lance, around for all seven Tour wins, and pretty consistent with his peformances (his climbing improved through the years, but gradually).

LIVINGSTON, Kevin (USA). 3:1. Here's my favorite - former Lance friend, split for more money at Telekom, rattled oddly between pack fodder and top-flite mountain domestique, quit cycling after something of a burn out, but is still involved with the sport. Lance claimed to have squashed any beef between them over beers in It's Not About the Bike, but I think it's no coincedence Livingston's always in his Telekom kit in promotional photos.

MEINERT-NIELSEN, Peter (DEN). 75:1. Same problems here as Derame, though I knock Meinert-Nielsens odds down because he's continued to be involved in cycling. Also, as a Northern European, he's more likely to speak English, but I still don't see an NYT reporter being aware that he exists.

VANDEVELDE, Christian (USA). 25:1. Again, I think it's unlikely an active rider would confess, though CVV gets tighter odds for being a candid diarist. In a sport as tight-lipped and constricted as Lance Armstrong's War portrays, a willingness and a desire to share your life with other people certainly stands out. Though it's no guarantee of a willingness to confess, both admitted/reformed doper David Millar and Andreu himself kept diaries at some point.

VAUGHTERS, Jonathan (USA). 5:1. If there's anyone whose cycling job won't let him admit doping, it's JV. Vaughters also allegedly discussed doping regimens with Andreu on the internet, and as his presence at TIAA-CREF indicates, he's deeply invested in the future of the sport (a motivating factor for Andreu's admission). But JV has gone on record as saying he saw no dope evidence at Postal (though this bit hardly resounds with confidence), and at any rate, Vaughters' naturally-high hematocrit would severely limit his gains from EPO use.

So that's how I see it. Smart money's on the recent American retirees, while CVV's the Dark Horse. If your name's Homer Simpson and you're looking for a Merry Christmas, place your bets on the Euros, and if you own the track and are looking to launder some cash, Tyler Hamilton's the man for you.

Poll
Who is the Anonymous Postie?
Tyler Hamilton
2 votes
George Hincapie
2 votes
Kevin Livingston
90 votes
Peter Meinert-Nielsen
2 votes
Christian Vandevelde
6 votes
Jonathan Vaughters
76 votes
Lance Armstrong
88 votes
Pascal Derame
0 votes

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Re: Livingston
Certainly Armstrong reacted w/o a lot of class when Livingston went to Telekom, but it wasn't like KL just took a better offer from Telekom. He signed on to be the team leader for Team Linda McCartney (the sponsor was her vegetarian frozen dinner line), but the team folded in the off season and KL had to scramble to find a spot. Telekom made him an offer, and he took it rather than be out of the top level of the sport.

Still, he probably is more likely than JV to be the other source. After seeing Prentice Steffan and then Frankie get taken down by the Stapleton/Weisel junta, he knows that the price of running his team is his grave-like silence. Plus, he signed some statements disavowing the Andreu chat transcripts.

by Koppenberg on Sep 12, 2006 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Scandal?!?
Nice job Cosmo. I'll go with your pick, though I'm not sure he fits the hanger-on, taking EPO just to make the squad profile. Just that, I used to get Hamilton and Livingston confused back in 1999, and my unscientific ways have never let me down. Ahem.

But is this really a scandal? OK, all drug use is bad (let's all repeat this), but not all of it really matters, does it? If the gregarios are using in order to stay in the race, I guess that artificially lowers the attrition rate (whereupon LeBlanc vows to throw in five more climbs next year). If that were all the drug use going on, I'd say it needs addressing. But right now guys are systematically doping in order to transform their careers. that's the problem.

Honestly, if it's as Frankie says (say?), and he dropped EPO a couple times to check it out... hell, if I were a clean rider in 1999, with no profile at all, I'd be tempted to try it a time or two just to see what the kool kids are experiencing. Though I certainly wouldn't gallop aaway for a 100km stage win that day...

by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 12, 2006 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Use whatever word you want
... but whether or not a GC contender in the TdF was doping, if his teammates were it could be a huge help.  It might be the difference between having three teammates with you on the final two climbs on a mountain stage, versus having no teammates and having to cover every attack alone.

Remember stage 17 in the TdF this year, in which one of the Phonak riders (Miguel Angel Martin Perdiguero) blew up so badly after helping to set the pace for Landis to attack out of the peloton, that he just waited for the team car and quit the race right there?  Wouldn't it be a big advantage for a team leader to have teammates who could put in a huge effort like that in the first two hours of a stage and, instead of dropping out of the race or back to the grupetto, still be strong as a bull and right there with the leaders on the final climb of the day?

by socal @ Podium Cafe on Sep 12, 2006 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose
And since Perdiguero was on my virtual squad, I should remember that one... I guess I'd still argue that residual doping doesn't concern me much when you've got grand tour champions on trial, but I'd concede that even the doped up gregarios aren't good for cycling.

by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 12, 2006 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right, it's not good for cycling
... and the reason it's not good for cycling is the reason doping is banned in the first place: Because the doping products are seriously dangerous to the athletes who use them. If these products weren't dangerous and potentially life-threatening, we wouldn't (or at least shouldn't) care whether or not athletes use them.

by socal @ Podium Cafe on Sep 12, 2006 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

My money is on...
whichever one of these guys, besides Andreu, is walking around today with a couple of broken kneecaps and a severed horse's head in his bed.

:)

by socal @ Podium Cafe on Sep 12, 2006 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Vaughters
would make the crack about hanging with the cool kids; it just sounds so like him.

by hughw on Sep 12, 2006 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, say, AH
..just noticed an AH remark previous to mine in exactly the opposite sense... well, I guess I just developed an impression of how JV would speak from his writing in Cycle sport and his commentary on OLN. Just get the impression he's got a precocious streak.

by hughw on Sep 12, 2006 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

re lance's statement
NYT was definite it was a 99 Tour postie. First line of piece "Two of Lance Armstrong's eight teammates from the 1999 Tour de France have admitted for the first time that they used the banned endurance-boosting drug EPO"
Interesting piece below linking in Floyd...
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/20060913-9999-1s13landis.html

by Zoetemelk on Sep 13, 2006 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is very interesting
If if was Swart (who testified in the SCA case, and contributed evidence to Walsh and Ballanger), then the NY Times piece lacks credibility. I'm really hoping they weren't so stupid as not to catch that in editing the piece, but I suppose it wouldn't surprise me.

OTOH, Swart is a carpenter in New Zealand, I don't think he has to worry about losing that job.

by Koppenberg on Sep 13, 2006 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

This [b]REALLY[/b] irks me
Armstrong continues to claim that the SCA case disproved the evidence & testimony brought against him.

By all press accounts that I have read, the SCA arbitration hearing was decided on the wording of the contract: i.e., because the contractual language stipulated that Armstrong must be sanctioned by the UCI, that SCA must pay up. The judge didn't consider the evidence and testimony in reaching that decision, he ruled that whether Armstrong took PEDs or not was not pertinent, whether SCA fulfilled the terms of the contract was.

But the clarification about what testimony came from Frankie and what testimony came from Betsy is important. She said "It was for Lance" and she said it was for the 99 tour. Frankie just said that he took EPO.

Now, no one has proven that Armstrong took PEDs, he has beaten every attempt. But when he overstates his case so blatenly, he ruins what is left of his credibility.

by Koppenberg on Sep 13, 2006 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lance should take the advice he gave to Floyd
and resist the urge to immediately comment every time someone throws out an allegation, because when you do that, it's inevitable that some of those immediate comments will be dumb comments.

by socal @ Podium Cafe on Sep 13, 2006 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

OK but
poor Lance, damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. I guess he'll have to be happy with his millions, political access, seven Tour wins, houses in Europe and US, kids, girlfriends...

by Chris Fontecchio on Sep 13, 2006 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

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