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I read this interview yesterday and I keep thinking about it.

Michael Ball is the owner of Rock & Republic clothing.  In Chris Horner's interview on Pez he says that he nearly signed with Rock and liked what Michael Ball was doing.  They have some big names coming next year such as Victor Hugo Pena, Freddy Rodrigues, and Santiago Botero. He has Frankie Andreu as a director.

I have a few questions?  Is it me, or does he sound like a jerk in the interview to others as well?  

Is this an accurate portrayal of Ball?  Maybe it was a bad day for him?

How did he get such good riders to sign?  Why would riders like Horner considering riding for him?  What is he doing that is innovative?  Throwing money at a team is not innovative?

I'd really like to know what others think.  I want to cheer for upcoming teams that are building the sport of cycling, but I'm finding it hard to wish this team success.

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I have a hard time liking them as well.
In the stories I have read it sounds like they are more about flash & image than about having a team that can advance the sport of cycling.

by Clydesdale on Dec 13, 2007 9:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

He strikes me as a
uninformed, type A controlling clown, who's used to getting his own way because he has money and a bully complex. He wants a yellow jersey on his wall so he'll try and buy the result........through any necessary means. I don't blame riders for signing with him since it might be there only contract or the money might be too good to turn down. But be careful what you wish for.

He is exactly what the sport doesn't need right now, or ever.

"That rug really tied the room together. "

by Drew on Dec 13, 2007 9:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'll also predict
he'll be out of racing in 2 years.  
"That rug really tied the room together. "

by Drew on Dec 13, 2007 9:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I sense large automobiles and a small pee-pee
I'm no psychologist but Ball has some issues.
Phat Arses - On my signal, unleash Hell!

by notaero on Dec 13, 2007 9:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is true
The car part at least. The team drives around in all black Cadillac Escalades and looks more like someone's entourage showing up at a race than racers.

by australopithecine on Dec 13, 2007 11:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Starting with his
name?

Anybody this aggressive and reckless in an interview will not cut it in the world of pro bike racing. If his personality trickles down to the riders, they will be pariahs in the peleton. Things get sorted out rather quickly on the road, and that's not something he'll have a say over from the team car or behind his desk.

"That rug really tied the room together. "

by Drew on Dec 13, 2007 10:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ball is American for Tinkoff
But remember- Beloved rider Horner almost signed with him.

And speaking of Horner, another thing Chris said in his interview- that basically American pro cycling stays the same, only the names/sponsors change- is instructive here.  So now one of the 5 decent American teams has an asshole as an owner.  Eventually he'll bail and someone else will come in.  Nothing really improving.

by ursula on Dec 13, 2007 11:11 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not a bad day. A usual day.
Remember, this is the same douchebag that things cycling needs Rock Racing to make it "cool".  Rolls into races in blinged Escalades, new team kit for every race (really), etc.

Great riders (well, last year.  Had a chance to chat up a bunch of them), totally offputting management.

by Sui Juris on Dec 13, 2007 11:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Two Things
There's so much to this that can go either way.

First off, I don't think he gives a shit what anybody thinks especially us here, and for better or probably worse, that's just the way it is, but good lord he has the MONEY! The sport needs the money so damn badly right now, take it and say thanks!

Well, that's me as a bike racer and happy to have a job...but I wouldn't mind making Rock Racing money...

1.) The team has more money than Switzerland, or something like that. They've got riders on that team making upwards of six figures (if not more, I just know the one at 80,000). There are very very few teams, if any, that can boast those kinds of figures, so of course, anyone with the chance wants a piece of that - I wouldn't mind.

2.) Yeah, he's bordering on crazy, so? The team didn't come off as pariahs this year. Kayle can be a real piece of work, but apart from that, Frankie Andreu is an incredible guy in person, most of the riders were friendly - he's just the owner. I know that's not the best, but if he has the money to throw around and an image that he likes, what's the problem? We might think it's bad to see a team roll up in Escalades to a race, but do you know how sick that looks just driving down the street?

I mean, we're driving to a stage start at the Tour of Virginia in a rented Saturn and they pass by in black Escalades. I raise my eyebrows about it, but I think it's so off the wall that it's ok. Flash isn't necessarily a bad thing...attitude isn't necessarily a good thing, but at this point, he's giving almost 20 dudes a job...and a good one at that. I say rock on.

3.) It's humorous to me because my team (racing eh same races as Rock) is focusing so hard on portraying the exact opposite image - one of development (both cycling related and beyond), growth, encouragement of cycling within the community, and then there's Rock...yeah...about that.

4.) And the team kit thing was played up a lot, but not quite true. They got a lot of kits, but not a new one for every race. I think it might have been more like every block of racing. Maybe. I still think that's pretty cool-ish...non-static kit,  but still the same basic design and idea.

So basically, I don't know...one part of me think it's funny and moderately cool, and another part of me wants to vomit when I read that article...

by jered on Dec 13, 2007 12:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not saying
that his riders are portraying his attitude at all, I just hope they don't start to under pressure from him to achieve results. I respect any and all racers out there doing their job, because we all know how hard it is.

But, what's going to happen if the owner isn't getting his expected results at each race? Who's he going to take it out on and what's going to be their reaction? I just think he comes across as a blowhard and a buffoon to the general public. I'm sure more than a few of his team, and the other teams, take this with a grain of salt and smirk. But his trying to come across as the new, ultimate badass team owner (win of you're fired!) makes him sound like a poor cross between Steinbrenner of the 90's and Donald Trump.  

"That rug really tied the room together. "

by Drew on Dec 13, 2007 12:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

nah . . .
Ball is an Al Davis.

by R Mc on Dec 13, 2007 4:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just win baby
(exactly what i was thinking, R Mc)

by hughw on Dec 17, 2007 9:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed
And they already have a rider like their owner in Kayle Leogrande...least that's what I've heard. I've never talked to him, he always looks mean in bike races.

Actually, I did talk to him once in a bike race and he ignored me. He must not have known who I was. I'm kind of a big deal.

ha.

by jered on Dec 13, 2007 1:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

heh. What was that line from Singles?
"We're big in Belgium."

Except that wouldn't be a punchline here, would it?

by Sui Juris on Dec 13, 2007 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I"m guessing that no one
here drives a Escalade? Everybody pimp'n the latest Prius? That's some funny shit.

by CannonDowell on Dec 13, 2007 4:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Glad he's got an audience...
Yeah, pimped prius here.  

But I'm willing to admit that I'm probably not the target audience for this team's image.  I hope he takes the audience for excalades and bling and makes them want to do double centuries.

Face it, cycling is a bizarrely white, largely middle-class / upper middle-class sport.  If they break past that barrier, more power to them.

I'm betting that kids who crave the bling may go to freeride and build up a bike.  

www.freeridepgh.org/

I'm betting that more of his younger fans will ride a bike than will ever own an escalade.  And those who do drive may be more polite to cyclists.

--JFS

by JFS_PGH on Dec 13, 2007 4:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Leogrande...
asked me and some friends on bikes how to get to his hotel after this years Clarendon Cup.

Didn't seem like an a-hole!

If you read the Horner response to Ball's claims, you'll see that he offered him a bundle but on a DAY TO DAY Contract.

With the "if you don't win, you're off my team" attitude, it's easy to see why.

As for the team itself- I like 'em! Enough to pincha few bottles from them during the Clarendon Cup.

Bashati's win there was awesome!

Racing for Victory and Free Beer!

by DemonCats on Dec 13, 2007 4:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

one more time
I just love this picture, no matter the technical mess I made of it.

by Sui Juris on Dec 13, 2007 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That is
a very cool picture

by Chris... on Dec 14, 2007 1:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I did like his
interview after that race. Seemed like a very down to earth kind of guy.
"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

by Clydesdale on Dec 13, 2007 5:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Money
I understand that riders need contracts, so I want to support a new team like this.  I'm glad he is paying his riders.

I worry that he will put a great deal of pressure on his riders to win or lose their fat paychecks.  I realize that applies to all cyclists, but I'd be more cofortable if he had an extensive anti-doping program.

As far as expanding the fan base of cycling to more than rich, mostly white people, that sounds good.  Escalades are expensive - does that really expand the fan base?

I also don't like his comments about Horner after not being able to sign him.  It sounds like immature sour grapes and not the words of a mature leader.

by John.. on Dec 13, 2007 7:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I kinda hope he does well.
He seems like a jerk and I wouldn't want to work for him but if the guy wants to throw some money at the sport, I don't see a problem with it.  

I know that all of us here think that cycling is plenty "cool" enough but domestic racing is largely ignored by the general public and potential sponsors.  If he can get a few more people to pay attention to an incredible sport, more power to him.

The "win or you're fired" attitude is troubling but honestly, isn't that an implied mandate for any professional athlete?

Regarding Horner - his comments weren't totally unjustified.  He has always been pretty high on himself.  After coming back to the US from FDJ, all he did was whine about not being paid more to race in Europe (he also won every domestic race possible but please - a little modesty.)

by pbrmeasap on Dec 13, 2007 8:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is completely off subject
but does anyone else remember when Horner got in a fight with Floyd Landis after a stage of the Tour de Langkawi when they were both racing for Mercury.  I'm pretty sure it happened but I might have dreamed it.

by pbrmeasap on Dec 13, 2007 8:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's reckless
It seems the most common positive comment so far is that Ball has deep pockets.

But my impression is that though he calls for changes in the sport--many needed--he's not going to be a constructive influence on the sport. His comments are too reckless.  

Even if his team meets his demands for success, he will be a pariah in the sport with his current attitude. [R Mc] mentioned upthread that Ball is analogous to Al Davis. A fair analogy especially when one considers the many lawsuits that have occurred between Al Davis  and the NFL.

If there's a cycling equivalent of nouveau riche, it applies to Ball.  I wish his team success--and continued paychecks--and I wish Ball maturity and wisdom.

by sawgrass on Dec 13, 2007 11:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah
Meant to include a thought about his demands for success and spending patterns.

If I was an owner that demanded success, part of my contract for that success would be my assurance to properly support the riders to give them the best chance for success.  

Is Ball choosing to spend the money to make that happen?  

Or he is cutting corners on support needs and instead spending on things like glitzy Cadillacs?  

I dunno but the answer would be a litmus test to his chances for success.

by sawgrass on Dec 13, 2007 11:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

ouch
he sounds like a human blast furnace. He's entitled to his opinion and to spend his money on cycling, but I don't see what he expects to accomplish acting this way. He's not going to get an invite to the Tour, let alone a yellow jersey, by insulting the power structure of the sport. If he sounded like he had a particular point he wanted to engage on, that's one thing, but he's just lashing out blindly. Anybody could read VN for a month and start spewing about Dick Pound.

by Chris... on Dec 13, 2007 11:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Finally!
Someone interesting takes over a team!

"Go on, little American pro cyclist, you take your $1,500 a month and you live!"

'Bout time someone turned up and said it didn't have to be like that. "Aw shucks, you mean when the season's finished, I can put these wheels on eBay? Thanks a million!" If he can turn some heads as an a-hole, more power to 'im.

by 72andSunny on Dec 14, 2007 1:15 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

whoa there
I don't know too many pro bike racers making even 1500 a month. That's a sweet salary.

by jered on Dec 14, 2007 12:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rock Racing = Mafia Racing
I know that Extreme Type-A Personalityies/Dictators like this Ballbag can shake things up and get things accomplished...but does anyone really want this guy to be the mouthpiece of American cycling.

I was very pleased to read Horners rebuttal to all the trash the Mob Boss was spewing.

While I am in full agreement with him that there is a desperate need for a riders union, and I even believe, like he said, that a single person could get the ball rolling (excuse the pun) ...but I would hate to see this douche be the ringleader of that circus.

One thing that really rubbed me the wrong way was the way he talked about crits.  He says he has riders that will be enforcers.  Does he plan to bring hockey goon tactics to road racing?

Can someone point me where I need to go to get in line to give this guy a fierce cock-punch?

by Keithfbcyl on Dec 14, 2007 11:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

dude
what exactly do you think Bob Roll's job WAS in a bike race?

Or, more recently, what Mario Scirea's job was for Cipo?

by R Mc on Dec 14, 2007 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely 72andSunny!
As I read most comments on this site they are mostly made up traditionalist points of view which is always dangerous. Ball is a grade A asshole. So what. 99% of owners are just that.
 We either don't hear from them or they become very diplomatic during an interview. If your going to race you might as well win. And if you don't win you should figure out why and work on it for the next race. Do you think Boonen does'nt want to win every race? If these guys are making 80G a year they have no reason not to be in top form because most of they guys their racing against have parttime jobs to supplement their income so their working instead of training not to mention proper accomodations to,from, and during a race. Rock on!

by Brandontw9 on Dec 14, 2007 11:06 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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