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Versus... Why Not Live?

It's not yet 6am on Saturday morning, when we'll be convening for the first Monument of the season, but if it were, I could flip on the Versus Network and look at the following options over the next couple hours:

6-7:30: Consumer Product Showcase
7:30-8: Safari Hunter's Journal
8-8:30: JImmy Houston Outdoors (fishing)
8:30-9: Fishing with Roland Martin
9-9:30: North American Fisherman

And on it goes. Meanwhile, by Sunday evening Versus will have produced 90 minutes of decent quality coverage of Milan-San Remo, plus another half hour on Tirreno-Adriatico.

It forever mystifies me why Versus won't show the races live. Consider the following...

  • Can the network executives seriously be putting their kids through college on the backs of "Jimmy Houston Outdoors"? I know I'm a snob, and will always fail to appreciate whatever value there is in these shows. I'm sure it has something to do with low production costs -- how many of these shows cost more than a jug of So-Co, an ads-for-merchandise trade with the Cabela's catalogue, and $100 at the gas-and-sip? Still, even the cheapest production doesn't matter if the audience in these early morning time slots is truly marginal. People who actually hunt and fish are outside this time of day, and there's no urgency for the audience to dial up VS at 7am with several networks showing hours and hours of this stuff, day and night. Whatever these shows bring the network at these time slots can't be much... can it?
  • Cycling fans, meanwhile, are a completely captive audience. Not a large enough one to get the major networks excited. But... Versus/OLN have stuck it out with six months of the Cyclysm for two post-Lance years now. They are putting enough money into Cycling to produce crafted shows with a mix of interviews, product stuff, studio babble and race footage. Bobke, Phil and Paul, etc... they're already on the payroll. How much more would it cost them to show the races live, and do the recap later (a la the Tour)? There's gotta be an audience for the live cast, beyond the recap show... and I'm convinced Versus wouldn't have to double down to get it. They've already made the investment.
  • There could be a steep price increase in the rights, but Versus should be sharp enough to put a lid on that. Say Versus wants to show the Tour of Flanders live, but HNB says they want an extra mil to show live footage, above the cost for replay rights. No way would Versus have to pay that. Any race besides the Tour should consider themselves lucky to be aired live in America right now. Maybe not someday... but for now the American market is the great untapped resource. HNB will want in. They'll also know that Versus is the only bid they will get for the rights. So either they accept what Versus can afford to pay, or get bubkis. Given the relative negotiating positions, something reasonable should be worked out.

So why isn't this happening? Maybe one or all of my assumptions are wrong. Maybe Versus is lazy, or doesn't care. Maybe nobody knows the Cycling audience is out there. Maybe Versus executives are very sensitive and Cosmo hurt their feelings. As usual, I have more questions than answers.

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This is just baffling to me. Like the hour or so lag in weekend footage for the Tour of California was baffling (that hour taken up with more fishing shows...). Watching the finishes over some herky-jerky web feed and then watching it again on TV for the smooth video playback is not how I want to spectate.

The mid-weeek Tour of California coverage was even worse. Condensed into an hour, they repeatedly missed pivotal aspects of each day's story, while making time for fluff-pieces.

I know it's gotta be about the money, but c'mon. The supposedly value-added stuff their padding evening re-broadcasts of the TDF with? How many times can they play the same 5 commercials? You know Saab got a package deal.Grrrr.

by mychal on Mar 24, 2007 3:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you on this, my brothers. I email them
all the time, and you're lucky if you get a canned form-letter reply:  "Thank you for your interest, we appreciate your opinion, blah, blah, blabity blah..."  But no real reply to my specific questions about cycling coverage.  Considering that they've somewhat changed their format last fall, and are focusing on "fringe" sports like lacrosse, pbr, fishing, boxing, hockey, and the outdoor sports (OK, not all of these are "fringe" sports, I admit,) you'd think that they'd carry live cycling.  

Chris, you make some excellent, eloquent points.  They've ponied up the money to carry NHL games, and some kind of college west coast-mountain conference football games (no offense)but live cycling?  Nope.  Just MHO, probably born of waking up early on a Saturday to read streaming comments online instead of being able to watch live racing.  C.tv's really spoiled me this past year, that's for sure.  Gonna go make coffee and work out, maybe get some of this aggression out of my system this morning!

"Sometimes you gotta give luck a swift kick in the balls." -Jens Voigt, Philosopher.

by Ruthann on Mar 24, 2007 7:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

VS channel paradox
You explained the paradox of VS cycling coverage perfectly. I don't think that channel makes much sense. Judging from the way my cable company transcodes VS so it looks as fuzzy as cycling.tv, I think they must have a tiny audience.

I am glad they cover cycling at all, but I don't understand what they are trying to do with their coverage. Why spend the money to edit the race and produce a slick program instead of just showing it live?

Cycling.tv is probably the way forward for cycling coverage. I assume, over the years they'll get more of the races, and will improve the service.

-K-

by KevinK on Mar 24, 2007 7:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd pay more for cycling.tv
If they covered all the races--I don't get their a la carte approach. I'd be willing to pay $200 US per year if I could just watch all the races.
-K-

by KevinK on Mar 24, 2007 7:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The best time to go fishing is?
As I understand it is almost always early in the morning.  So what kind of fisherman is sitting at home at 8:00 am Sat. morning?
The S. Obedient Flying Dog Boy

by flying dog on Mar 24, 2007 7:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The kind that's
sleeping off a Budweiser hangover...
Vlaenderen die Leu

by Mr Van P on Mar 24, 2007 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One who isn't catching any fish
To get back to all of your points, I think we can boil it down to Vs isn't particularly well run, especially from a advertising and marketing research point of view. The fact that they don't know how many of us cycling fans are out here and would be willing to pay for silent race coverage if it came down to it, is the biggest indictment. We don't want fluff, we don't want elaborate sets, we want to people watching the same live feed we're seeing and telling us what's happening. All you need is a good spotter, a good commentator, a decent feed, the rest takes care of itself.

Honestly, how much does it really cost beyond transmission rights and paying the on air talent?  

"I don't know too many monkeys who could take apart a fuel injector."

by Drew on Mar 24, 2007 8:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It just hit me
on my ride home, can't you just picture VS putting the whole broadcast together as it's happening, doing the studio stuff before the race, then doing the race call live, no editing at all... but just not airing it til later? I am grateful for the coverage, but they give off a really weird vibe about Cycling.
Got a problem? Va fa Napoli!

by Chris... on Mar 24, 2007 9:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Possibly
Because all the executives are fishermen. Maybe TC could have a talk with them.
"I don't know too many monkeys who could take apart a fuel injector."

by Drew on Mar 24, 2007 9:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OK guys...
A little shaky this morning, and I'm no media expert, but live coverage is risky. If something goes wrong (and we're talking about a feed from Europe), the channel takes it in the shorts.

And frankly, I think the audience for cycling is pretty small compared to those willing to watch fishing shows.

It's ugly but it's true.

When it comes to channels like Versus, you have to follow the ad revenues to see what gets broadcast. And there are plenty of sponsors willing to drop bucks on Bill Dance and Jimmy Houston and PBR and World Combat League and the rest.

Lots fewer sponsors willing to fund effete euro sports like cycling.

It goes on and on. Eventually, the niche sports will find a home on the Internet, and cycling.tv could truly be the future home of cycling in North America provided they can solve some of the technical problems and start marketing with even a modicum of intelligence (No fast-loading schedule web site? No RSS feed? No blog?? No written content??).

A few years ago we got P-R, Giro, TdF and Vuelta live on OLN, and I sadly believe that will be looked upon as the high point of traditional broadcast coverage in the United States -- at least until an alternative channel like Cycling.tv matures.

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by TCWriter on Mar 24, 2007 12:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the other problem
is production cost.

Even if the audience for fishing shows is the same size as for cycling (and I'm not convinced it's all THAT much larger really), the production cost for a fishing show is dirt cheap compared to what it costs to cover a bike race.

Point-to-point cycling was designed to be covered by journalists--when you stop to think about the logistics and equipment to cover it live, it's a wonder that there IS any coverage.

I know it's heresy, but I think that technology has developed to the point where criteriums or circuit races could be covered via on-bike cameras and with the telemetry of power/speed data for the cyclists, with the results making for television at least as compelling as nascar.  It would take a    5 year investment (maybe less--I've forgotten about You-tube) to build a market, but if you could cover a course with stationary cameras instead of moto cameras, the average spectator would get a better sense of speed.  The on-bike cameras (I'm thinking of the descending shots from Zuri-metzgete especially) provide race action that is as rich as the on-board cameras nascar and f1 use.  Just my opinion . . .

by R Mc on Mar 24, 2007 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But
one part of my thesis is they're already paying the cost. They're already basically doing the job, they're just not airing it for 8 hours (or one day plus 8 hours).

Your idea about on-bike technology is interesting. OF f course these guys are all bigger weight weenies than Pete, but someone I'm sure can be bought, a domestique someplace.

Got a problem? Va fa Napoli!

by Chris... on Mar 24, 2007 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is...
The fishing audience is much bigger than cycling in the USA. Much.

Compare the numbers from the live telecast of the Bassmasters finale in February to any cycling event.

You're certainly right about the production costs, though again -- the competitive fishing shows are probably spending on a par with cycling events. They've got cameras everywhere, helicopters, multiple hosts on a dedicated set.

They can do all that because fishing manufacturers are willing to sponsor. Cycling manufacturers aren't. Why? The market's tiny by comparison...

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by TCWriter on Mar 24, 2007 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember watching
the live P-R coverage about 5 years ago on then-OLN.  Four hours on a Sunday morning in April.  They spoiled me.
Vlaenderen die Leu

by Mr Van P on Mar 25, 2007 5:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes...
Good times, good times.

Those years I lead the local P-R homage ride the day before (we found every bad dirt/gravel road we could in the Shasta Valley) and then got up the next morning and watched the race in my Hennie Kuiper footed pajamas.

Life will never be that good again.

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by TCWriter on Mar 25, 2007 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK the ad part
is an explanation. I can't believe the part about the audience, only because they have another 200 hours a week of this bloodsport nonsense; they can give up two measly hours on some early weekend mornings.
Got a problem? Va fa Napoli!

by Chris... on Mar 24, 2007 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many Niche Sports are There
like cycling? There's a pretty hard core audience here that's willing to pay to watch.

There's rugby, lacrosse, cricket, badmitton... various motor sports.

Ya know what makes more sense than the cycling.tv model is doing a VS type approach via the internet... By aggregating a bunch of sports or specialty events together you could afford to build decent infrastructure. Call it "the effete sports network (EfPN)"

I wonder how subscriber revenue compares with ad revenue. A monthly subscription could really bring in some serious scratch.

Anyone interested in working on a business model? I've got the technical side covered.

-K-

by KevinK on Mar 25, 2007 9:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, that seems to be the answer...
Develop a business plan and have at them...
"It never gets easier, you just goat faster." -- Greg LeMond

by ELVISGOAT on Mar 25, 2007 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't scoff!
The people here at the Podium Cafe are right on the cutting edge of new media, at least as an audience.

If you can cobble together all the enthusiasts from cycling, cricket, badmitton, etc... it wouldn't take long to start touching 100k subscribers.

-K-

by KevinK on Mar 25, 2007 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wold Cup Skiing
would be nice to see live and on a regular basis.  (at least the second run when you're down to the final 15 or 20).  DH would be tricky since the races last all day, but rarely does a guy with a bib in the 70's make the podium (Dave Chappelett notwithstanding).
Vlaenderen die Leu

by Mr Van P on Mar 25, 2007 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WCSN is already doing something similar...
http://wcsn.com/

It's an interesting channel that doesn't carry a lot of cycling (they had the cross worlds live) but they are aggregating coverage from a lot of sports (track and field, skiing, badminton, wrestling, etc).

Sounds like your business model, and their Web site is filled with written content and doesn't make you load the damned player just to visit...

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by TCWriter on Mar 25, 2007 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's very cool
It's interesting that their yearly subscription is about $50 as is cycling.tv.
-K-

by KevinK on Mar 25, 2007 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I watched the Worlds
on WCSN last year and was very disappointed, mainly because the announcer didn't know the first thing about cycling.  But that's easily remedied.

by ghisallo on Mar 25, 2007 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not scoffing one bit
I fully support you... I say get at it and good luck.  Let me know what I can do to help.
"It never gets easier, you just goat faster." -- Greg LeMond

by ELVISGOAT on Mar 25, 2007 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks!
I read sarcasm into it. Probably because I'm whipped from riding this weekend.
-K-

by KevinK on Mar 25, 2007 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Totally Agree
I couldn't agree with you more. Versus' live coverage is so much better than its recorded recap shows. I love getting up early every morning in July to watch their Tour de France coverage, but I simply can't watch any of the recorded stuff they put together the rest of the year. Cycling is a sport of subtlety, team work and nuance --- this just can't be captured in a 30-90 minute recap of a 5-6 hour event.

David

---------------------- David Bernstein The FredCast Cycling Podcast www.thefredcast.com

by FredCast on Mar 25, 2007 2:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would
be happy if they just would put some of those live audio broadcasts onto something like XM/Sirius. Most fo the races occur while I am at work and unable to enjoy the feeds anyway. I could however easily enjoy the audio portion just about anywhere.
The Crystal Method

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by Clydesdale on Mar 26, 2007 9:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not a bad
suggestion. I remember before the Tour was live video, and I was on the east coast, listening to Phil quietly at work. Riveting.
Got a problem? Va fa Napoli!

by Chris... on Mar 26, 2007 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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