Rumorage! Giro d'Italia Route Rumors
Because more is better!
Here at the Gossip World Headquarter, we love rumors. And we love the Giro d'Italia. Rumors and the Giro d'Italia? Well, really, nothing could be better than that. Except for world peace and Pinarellos and Cervélos falling from the sky. But we are digressing. Below is a collection of unconfirmed, overlapping, and at times completely contradictory rumors about next year's Giro d'Italia. Proceed at your own risk.
If your Italian geography is as poor as mine, you will want to have a Map of Italy handy. More detailed maps are included with the rumorage below the fold, natch.
First, a quick overview. According to available rumorage, the Giro begins in Venezia and ends in Roma. The likely path, again based on rumor, is counter-clockwise. In this case, the race moves from Venezia to Friuli, includes a short jaunt into Austria, celebrates its first mountain-top finish in Alto Aldige, visits Sondrio near the Swiss border, then proceeds to Piedmont.
After the Piedmont stages, the Corsa Rosa turns south, and things become considerably more confused. A crono is likely in Liguria. Toscana almost certainly will receive a stage, which will again be the "tappa Bartali." The race includes the eastern coast with a stage in Pesaro. It dips down south for three stages in Campania and Napoli. A climbing stage in Abruzzo is rumored. There is extensive debate about the final stage in Roma. Will it be a road stage or a crono? No one seems to know for sure.
Want to play along? More details below the fold.

✻ Is there a prologue? Maybe, maybe not.
Option 1, the race begins with a road stage beginning in Venezia and finishing in Trieste. The Trieste finish is all-but-confirmed, but no one seems to know whether the first or the second stage will finish there. You know how that goes. The second stage, in this scenario, is a team crono set in Udine in Friuli.
Option 2, the prologue is a team time trial in Venezia Lido. The second stage finishes in Trieste.
✻ Two "international" stages, in addition to the French Alpes. One in Austria, the other in Switzerland, or perhaps Slovenia. No deets on these, though I've seen Lienz in Austria as a possible finish, and Prato alla Drava and Passo di Monte Croce Carnico mentioned as possible climbs on the way back across the border to Italy.
✻ A mountain finish at Alpe di Suisi in Alto Aldige. This stage would be a tribute of sorts to Pantani, as it was ten years ago next year that he was excluded from the '99 Giro. This would likely be the first mountain stage of the race, and it is rumored to start in Austria. A stage finishing at Madonna di Campiglio may follow it.
Confused yet? No? Let's continue.
✻ The order of mountains is expected to be Dolomiti, Alpes, Appenines.
✻ In all there are six potential mountain top finishes: Alpe di Siusi, Madonna di Campiglio, Sestrière, Monte Petrano, Block Haus, Vesuvio. Not all of these climbs may appear, though Sestrière and Vesuvio sound fairly definite.
Among the more significant climbs is the Block Haus, which is located in Abruzzo in the neighborhood of the Maielleta and Passolanciano climbs. From its base at Lettomanoppello, the Block Haus tops out at 2038 meters of altitude after 28 km of climbing at 7.3%. Cry at the sight of the profile. Eddy Merckx cracked to bits on this climb during the 1969 Giro.
✻ Two stages in the province of Sondrio. One finishing in Chiavenna and the other departing from Morbegno. Evidence has popped up in the press about the local authorities very much wanting the race to come to their area. Guess what's near both Morbegno and Chiavenna? Mountains of Unusual size, including the Parco Nazionale dello Stelvio. So far, I've seen no explicit mention of the Stelvio. Is this because there's no chance that it will be included? Or, because anyone who is actually Italian would know immediately that a stage in Sondrio by law includes the Stelvio? Really, I haven't a clue.
✻ Two stages in Piedmont. The first commemorates Fausto Coppi's 1949 exploit where he won on Sestriere after 150 km escape. Bartali finished 11 minutes behind. This stage, from Cuneo to Pinerolo, jaunts through the French Alpes: Colle della Maddalena, Vars, Izoard, Monginevro, and finishes at Sestrière (this combo may be modified, reportedly). The finish at Sestrière sounds pretty definite.
The second stage in Piedmont finishes in Novara, most likely in Bergamanero. Torino may host the depart of this second stage in Piedmont. Uncertainty abounds.
✻ Rumor says the Liguria stage will be a crono at Lerici. Either toward Portovenere (same as Giro 1979) or toward Lido de Camaiore. In either case, a rather picturesque jaunt down the coast.
✻ A Toscana stage is very likely for the "tappa Bartali" which commemorates Gino Bartali. The 2008 Giro, the tappa Bartali was the 19th, from Civitavecchia to San Vincenzo. I'd put it somewhere in the second week this time around. Maybe after the crono in Liguria.
✻ A stage in Genoa, climbing to the Forte Castellaccio, which has a finishing gradient of 20%. Have a look at the profile for the Castellaccio, which lies in the hills Northwest of the city. Nasty bit of work, there.
✻ The Zoncolan will get a break this year, but will probably return in 2010.
✻ A stage in the province of Pesaro, starting in Pergola and arriving at Monta Petrano, near Urbino. Two possible routes: Monte Nerone, Catria, Petrano or Carpegna, Cippo, Catria and Petrano. These are middle mountains - not on level of the Stelvio, but hard enough all the same.
✻ Three stages in Campania and Naples in the South.
1. A sprint finish at Benevento. The Benevento stage seems likely to start in Veroli, or thereabouts, after a stage running from Ciociaria to an unknown destination in the neighborhood of Frosinone.
2. A jaunt along the coast with a climbing finish at Vesuvius. The climb to Vesuvius - Vesuvio da Torre del Greco - is 12 km at 8.6% gradient.
3. A depart in Napoli, riding towards Lazio, which is conveniently located near Rome.
The problem with this southern route as the last stop before Roma, of course, is the absence of a huge climbing finale, which the Giro has used in the past few editions. Perhaps Zomegnan has decided to change it up. Surely, he has noticed, like us, that the middle climbing stages of recent Giros have been oodles of fun. An alternative sends the race to the mountains of Abruzzo after this southern jaunt, with the Block Haus as a grand finale. Though it would add a transfer (or two), heading to Abruzzo from Lazio would give the race it's more typical climbing fireworks near the finish.
✻ The final stage in Rome may be a crono. Or, it may be a road stage. No one seems to know for sure. Since the only cronos I've seen mentioned have been Liguria and a team time trial in Venezia or Udine, a final long crono makes a fair amount of sense.
That's all I got. No warranties or guarantees.
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So many great stages, so little time
Can’t they just take a break of a week or two after three weeks and just keep doing more Giro?
Please?
by ursula on
Oct 14, 2008 1:40 PM EDT
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Alpe di Siusi
I’m in an explorative (that can’t be a word) state of mind at the moment, and I think I might head down the 100k to check out the Alpe di Siusi…any thoughts on which side it will start from? Bolzano? Selva di Val Gardena? I’ll state the obvious, but this stage should be a wicked trip through the Dolomites…no matter where they start it, the opportunities are limitless.
by jered on
Oct 14, 2008 2:47 PM EDT
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looking...
Okay, it looks like Bolzano is the most likely. LOL, you could always do both ;-) So jealous! But it would be killah to get a preview. Do it! Do it!
A quicky correction to the above – I’ll try to fix lates – the Madonna di Campiglio finish is the one that commemorates Pantani, not the Alpe di Siusi. Re-reading, confirms that unconfirmed rumorage says there will be two stages: Alpe di Siusi and Madanna di Campiglio.
Also, forgot to include, Dolomiti Stars is out of the Giro-sponsoring game, after four years.
by gavia on
Oct 14, 2008 3:08 PM EDT
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"Dolomiti Stars is out of the Giro-sponsoring game, after four years" Whaaaaat?
Where is Gibo going to get his ass kicked by confirmed dopers now? Are they looking in to this when planning the route? Do they have no sense of tradition?
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by Jens on
Oct 14, 2008 3:13 PM EDT
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More is better?
Ah, the famous non-satiation assumption. Where would micro-economics be without it?
I wonder if that assumption is maintainable when Pinarellos and Cervélos start falling from the sky. :-)
by Lopex on
Oct 14, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
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I have no idea what this means (I shall google to improve my knowledge)
but if Pinarellos are falling from the sky I’m pretty sure I don’t care.
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by Jens on
Oct 14, 2008 3:34 PM EDT
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I'd be happier if a Pinarello fell from the sky into my back garden.
With AV on board.
by Albertina on
Oct 14, 2008 5:41 PM EDT
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Mamma mia!!
What a route for the centenary race! I hope they don’t overdo the alpine stages; it sounds like they have an amazing menu of middle-level climbs, lower in altitude but more suited to the classics guys. ANd a reprise of the 1949 Cuneo-Pinerolo stage… brilliant. Sestrieres is kind of a signature, so if they have to do a conventional Alps stage, that’s fine. It also sounds like they won’t spend much time in the far mezzogiorno. Perhaps a tribute to centuries of anti-southern discrimination. And the final stage through Lazio… can they stop by SS Lazio training quarters for a planned nature break?
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by Chris... on
Oct 14, 2008 5:03 PM EDT
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Nice work
All I could find when I looked before was the “wouldn’t it be great if…” and “why don’t they come to my town” sort of speculation. That Urbino stage looks interesting because there are loads of little hill towns and villages in that area, all with their own walls, and they look to be visiting as many of them as possible. It could be like a mini Flanders.
by Monty. on
Oct 14, 2008 5:15 PM EDT
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Great work Gavia.
Did I read something somewhere about Florence being a possibility for the Tuscan stage, or is that my wishful thinking? It would make a jolly nice little overseas trip, that. A bit of culture like, some gelato, some bikeys…..
by Albertina on
Oct 14, 2008 5:43 PM EDT
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Fantastico!
Thanks, gavia! I’d seen a bit of this stuff, but it’s great to have it all pulled together into one story.
If the race starts in Venezia and finishes in Roma, I suppose they’ll have to have both the Dolomiti and the Alps in the first half of the race, but it will make for a very unusual grand tour. It sounds like they might be going a little lighter on the Dolomiti stages than in the past couple of years, but then, I suppose they can’t really have four or five mountain stages in the first week.
I hadn’t seen the rumor about a time trial in Liguria, but that would be awesome. Portovenere is one of my favorites small towns in Italy. A time trial finish there or thereabouts would be perfect. Here’s a picture I took of Portovenere from the island just off the end of the peninsula. You can hike up the hill from Portovenere and along the tops of spectacular white cliffs to the Cinque Terre.
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I’m thinking of using all my vacation time for next year to try to see almost the entire Giro. I’ve never been south of Roma, so the finishing stages in the south are especially appealing to me.
by Tifosa on
Oct 14, 2008 6:18 PM EDT
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Hmmm, so nice.
Do I go to the Giro as well as the Tour next year? And Paris Roubaix? It’s tough. Could be an expensive year and I so can’t afford it!
by Albertina on
Oct 14, 2008 6:23 PM EDT
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Is that a road to the right?
Looks like a pathway straight up the grade. Great place for hill reps!
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by Chris... on
Oct 14, 2008 6:25 PM EDT
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I don't know if that's a road.
We came into town on the hiking trail from Riomaggiore, which is more toward the left of the picture, and we left by the road along the coast to La Spezia.
by Tifosa on
Oct 14, 2008 6:37 PM EDT
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Liguria
That crono sounds beautiful. I hope it happens.
It does sound like the dolomiti will be light – odd to have them in the first week, for sure. But if that Abruzzo stage is right, it would make for a pretty darn good finish in the end. And I like the sounds of the Alps stage to Sestrière.
I’m a tad confused on the crono situation – but if there’s a team crono on the first or second stage, Liguria, and a final crono in Roma, that would sound about right. It does seem, at least, at this point, to be tilted toward climbers. But we’ll have to see when the official news comes out.
by gavia on
Oct 14, 2008 6:42 PM EDT
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Abruzzo climb
That Block Haus climb looks wicked! I had no idea there were climbs that high in Abruzzo. A finish there on one of the last few days and then a crono into Roma would certainly keep the suspense going until the end of the race.
by Tifosa on
Oct 14, 2008 6:55 PM EDT
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LOL, me neither
I didn’t even know about Block Haus until I started digging around. It was mentioned in an article in La Stampa, I think, as a possibility. I had to read it twice before I realized it was the name of a climb in Italy!
It’s near the Maielletta and the Passolanciano, but no, those aren’t as high. This would be a very cool finish, if ture.
by gavia on
Oct 14, 2008 7:01 PM EDT
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Apennini
My family’s namesake town is across from the Gran Sasso d’Italia, topping out at about 2900 meters/ 9,000 feet. Not Rockies, more like Cascades, but still. Of course, that’s a limestone outcropping; the pass roads are at 1300 meters/4000+ feet.
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by Chris... on
Oct 14, 2008 7:55 PM EDT
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what's so wrong about 4 or 5 mountain stages in the 1st week?
heck, mountain stages every day….
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by umwolverine on
Oct 14, 2008 7:19 PM EDT
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Right
And a medical kit in every hotel room. Or at least an oxygen tent.
Of course, this is the giro, where the race doesn’t start til the helicopter arrives, so maybe it wouldn’t be as hard as it sounds.
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by Chris... on
Oct 14, 2008 7:56 PM EDT
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Oxygen tents? In Italy?!
That would of course be very very naughty.
by Albertina on
Oct 15, 2008 4:33 AM EDT
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Stelvio
There was a bit of speculation that this would be included last June, but that was before people realised that the Giro would be heading from north to south. Because one very good reason for starting in the south and leaving the Alps/Dolomites until the last week is that it gives the snow a chance to melt and the passes to clear. Lots of these mountain passes are completely impassable up until mid-May unless you take a sledge or a skidoo. Do you remember some of Davide Cassani’s previews for this year where he couldn’t cross on a bike? They were only filmed in late April, a week or so before the Giro started. The Stelvio is indeed a thing of beauty:

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(thanks to wiki)
but the chances of it looking like this at 2758m high in the first week of May are almost nil. It’s not officially open until June, and then only until September.
There’s a great interview with Franco Bitossi about the 1965 stage and an even more incredible picture if you scroll down, and another photo from 2005 here when it was crossed on stage 14. Do you see the rather obvious difference to how it is in the photos above.I reckon that the 10 days difference between being stage 4 and stage 14 is crucial. I am sure that cyclingchallenge can give us news from on the ground on how quickly those roads do become passable at that time of year.
by Monty. on
Oct 14, 2008 6:25 PM EDT
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Oy
what a beast, in any weather. Ah well… at least when global warming officially takes hold, it will move up summer by a week or two and the Stelvio can be a Giro regular.
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by Chris... on
Oct 14, 2008 6:31 PM EDT
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That makes sense.
A similar problem exists for the stages around the Austrian border – which passes would actually be open.
The Abruzzo climb – Block Haus – is farther south, and would be clear. That thingy is a total doozy too, almost on level with the Stelvio, really.
by gavia on
Oct 14, 2008 6:39 PM EDT
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Block Haus
Good god! What misery. That could easily be the decisive stage of the race if it’s in week 3. I love how the climbs in Abruzzo start at, oh, 15 meters above sea level, and just keep going up.
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by Chris... on
Oct 14, 2008 7:58 PM EDT
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Indeed
I was surprised by just how hard the profile looked. Gah.
Yo Jared, can you go pre-ride this one for us? Maybe you could use the pain scale thingy to tell us about the gradient ;-)
by gavia on
Oct 14, 2008 9:24 PM EDT
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Pssht
By the time we get done with this thread, Cyclingchallenge will have a fanpost complete with pictures.
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by Chris... on
Oct 14, 2008 10:06 PM EDT
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Holy crap
Those pictures gave me a cycling nerdgasm
by Jimbo... on
Oct 15, 2008 12:07 AM EDT
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So, that's what that tingly feeling was, I had one too
If it wasn’t for the fact that I would have been on the ground gasping for air, puking like Basso and crying for my mommy four times by the time I reached that large building (1/3 of the way up, first picture) that first shot would have had me booking tickets for Italy right now.
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by Jens on
Oct 15, 2008 3:01 AM EDT
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lol
stelvio is one i’d definitely like to climb.
by gavia on
Oct 15, 2008 12:19 PM EDT
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I don't think
my car could make it up that mountain, nevermind me on a bike.
by Katiek on
Oct 15, 2008 12:32 PM EDT
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i'll take that challenge
Pssht right back atcha, I’m going to Block Haus. I just need a place to stay when I get there. I’d go today, but I’m going to Lombardia tomorrow…it’s a tough life, but you know, somebody has to be a broke bike racer with nothing else to do but be a faux-journalist. HA.
by jered on
Oct 15, 2008 3:23 AM EDT
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- 100
why the fuck did I go to law school? Drew, why didn’t you talk me out of this?
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by Chris... on
Oct 15, 2008 9:53 AM EDT
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I tried - remember all the lawyer jokes I made in Japan?
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."
by Drew... on
Oct 15, 2008 12:28 PM EDT
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Not listening to Drew
-almost always the sane choice.
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by Jens on
Oct 15, 2008 1:19 PM EDT
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My new favorite climb
especially since I don’t have to do it.
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by Drew... on
Oct 15, 2008 12:26 PM EDT
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That first pic is enough to give one vertigo just sitting at one's desk.
Amazing. I’m getting Giro goosebumps and it’s only October :-(
by Albertina on
Oct 15, 2008 4:38 AM EDT
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stelvio
it actually looks worse at the bottom, grade-wise.
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by Chris... on
Oct 15, 2008 9:54 AM EDT
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dunno
that long ramp to the summit has to suck. there’s probably always a headwind there too.
by gavia on
Oct 15, 2008 12:18 PM EDT
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Um yeah
headwind, not cool.
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by Chris... on
Oct 15, 2008 7:18 PM EDT
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headwind on major climb
so much suckage. insult to injury, really.
by gavia on
Oct 15, 2008 7:22 PM EDT
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Nothing
pisses me off more. Memo to God: Haven’t I suffered enough?
Also, how are uphill headwinds even possible most of the time? OK, I get that at the exposed top the uplift of the mountain doesn’t act as a shield, but you’d think at the lower and middle elevations the mountain you’re climbing would block some of the wind.
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by Chris... on
Oct 15, 2008 8:25 PM EDT
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eh...
It’s like a funnel thing. The wind concentrates in the opennings in the mountain – like say, the summit of a pass. All that wind behind the mountain, it gets all bottled up by the lower bits and comes shooting out the top wherever it finds a gappage. Usually the roads are built in the parts where’s there’s gappage. Voilà headwinds galore. Where I live there’s a huge freakin’ temperature difference at times between the coastal side and the inland side of the mountains – and not very much distance between them. Makes for some very bizarre wind patterns – tailwind at the base of the climb, headwind near the summit. Many much suffering.
by gavia on
Oct 15, 2008 8:59 PM EDT
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Ok
Now that I’ve seen those pics they absolutely have to include the Stelvio. I am officially excited.
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by Drew... on
Oct 15, 2008 12:25 PM EDT
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lol
i think you’ll be equally happy with the block haus thingy. I couldn’t find a good image of the road up, but there’s a few of the area in these linkies – the last one has a couple of the climb itself. Different territory than the northern climbs – more sandstoney, limestoney, dry.
by gavia on
Oct 15, 2008 12:45 PM EDT
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I heart the large dog in the last photo ;-)
by Albertina on
Oct 15, 2008 6:27 PM EDT
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nice looking puppy
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by umwolverine on
Oct 16, 2008 4:58 PM EDT
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if stelvio is in (pleassssse:)
I will be there
I no little about the Giro but what photos!!!
by cyclingchallenge on
Oct 15, 2008 1:29 PM EDT
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ps - no = know :)
yep likely it won’t be open yet
it is at the top of my 2009 wish list …. legs willing
by cyclingchallenge on
Oct 15, 2008 1:31 PM EDT
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I'm not so sure about this
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Pasta? Wohoo!
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Bork, bork, bork!
by TheFigurehead on
Oct 15, 2008 8:32 AM EDT
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there you go
trying to get all logical and stuff. we don’t really do logic at the gossip world headquarters.
and yes, being at the giro would be the bestest. so would taking a jaunt around to pre-ride the climbs. heh, that would be brilliant.
by gavia on
Oct 15, 2008 12:21 PM EDT
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By the way
as someone that “tries” to take photos of epic climbs … Monty’s terrific photos are good evidence that the best photos are often from a different location/hill ….. or a helicopter.
hmmmm
by cyclingchallenge on
Oct 15, 2008 1:33 PM EDT
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Did you know that La Gazzetta publishes
some of their site in English? (Using her best Johnny Carson imitation:) I did not know that!
by Ruthann on
Oct 15, 2008 2:00 PM EDT
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To Answer Monty: How passable are climbs at this altitude in Spring?
My experience is in the French Alps but should be generally applicable.
The highest Alps are rarely open before early June. Col de l’Iseran at 2770 metres … similar to Stelvio has opened early to mid June for the last few years. Galibier similar story.
With some dedication by plowers and some hot weather … it is possible but unlikely earlier.
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Oct 15, 2008 5:46 PM EDT
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