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Cyclists Say the Strangest Things

Wicked busy day, no time for the real content you can find by scrolling down, but I did see two items that I couldn't pass by without comment. Exhibit A:

Ballan told La Gazzetta dello Sport that, "If this offer had come before [the world championships], I would have gone there, but now I see that it's not right for the world champion to play servant to Tom Boonen."

Exhibit B:

"In 2009, I would like to race less before the start of the Tour in Monaco and not start racing before the end of March in order to, at least one time, base my season on the Tour only. I am convinced that, if I am lucky, I can climb on the podium and, who knows, even win the Tour. I am ready to sacrifice all the other races in order to reach that goal, at least to try it one year."

 Since nobody elected me grand imperial dictator of Cycling (yet), I will express a modicum of respect for the choices individual championship-level riders make concerning their program. But that doesn't prevent me from at least asking, WTF?

Ballan would have considered joining Quick Step? A month ago he did think it was right to play servant to Tom Boonen? I can't think of a worse possible team for him, setting aside the increase in salary. Where would he get his shot? At Paris-Roubaix? Somehow I doubt Tom Boonen's little dalliance with blow has sunk his stature so low that Lefevre would put an Italian in charge at the Queen of the Classics without fearing for his (Lefevre's) life. At Flanders? Over Stijn Devolder, who automatically qualified for Belgian royal status by winning de Ronde in the Belgian Champion's jersey? At Milano-Sanremo?? Maybe the latter, if he's lucky, but trading in the Cobbles for a complete crapshoot at MSR seems like a bad bet, when he can ride for Lampre or someone else and have authority at all three -- and not headman a completely irrelevant team the rest of the year. The only way Ballan's own statement makes sense is if someone told him Devolder was leaving Quick Step. And even then, it would be Cycling's loss to see Cobbles stars joining forces rather than joining battle next April.

As for Valverde, his devotion to the Tour is pure ego. Valverde wins prolificly in the classics, Spanish regional tours, and even a few other big prizes like the Dauphine. He also pads his CQ points lead with high finishes and some stage results in the grand tours. I respect all of that as part of his claim to being the world's #1 rider. But his obsession with the Tour is looking sillier every year. In his two completed Tours, he's finished seven minutes behind Carlos Sastre and 11.37 behind Alberto Contador. In each case, he disappeared from serious contention fairly quickly, getting blown out in some combination of time trials and the Pyrenees. [Oddly enough, he's performed well in the Alps, which may be driving his thinking.]

I'm not without sympathy for his choice, he's won most other events and might just be one of those people who gets bored by repetition. But the biggest hole in his argument, IMHO, is his belief that he's ready to win the Tour when he can't even win the Vuelta. Even if he's not willing to indulge me in my fantasy of a five-year running duel with Damiano Cunego in all the hilly classics, he could at least prove himself in his home tour, like Cunego has, before claiming a legitimate shot at the TdF. He's arguably the rightful winner of the 2006 Vuelta, as the top finisher not to have swapped blood with anyone, but he was a non-factor in his "faceoff" with Alberto Contador this year. I don't know much about this new person Javier Guillén who is taking over the reins at the Vuelta (from retiring Victor Cordero), but it's not unreasonable to think maybe he'll design a Vuelta that pits the current generation of Spanish mega-stars -- Contador, Valverde, Sanchez, and Sastre -- against each other on a course that balances the stages among their collective skills. Like, say, the 2007 Giro course, where the Classics-style stages were just as decisive as the high mountains or time trials. Let Valverde prove, then, that he can beat Contador on any sort of course, and maybe I'll buy into the fantasy of Valverde beating Contador at the latter's strengths. Until then, no sale.

Adding... there seems to be a lot of comments on Valverde's ambitions in about four other posts.

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"there seems to be a lot of comments on Valverde's ambitions in about four other posts"

Yeah, fmk drew our attention to this elsewhere. I won’t repeat everything I said there (I’m lazy you see), but in summary, I’d hate to see av trade in a hat full of classic wins for a serious tilt at something he (probably) can’t win. If all the cards fell right it’s conceivable he COULD have a chance at the Tour but it’s a longshot for the reasons you state. I have no problem with him riding the Tour and bagging some stages, and maybe going for more if the cookie crumbles luckily for him, but please Alejandro, just be sensible and make sure you win some nice classics too!

by Albertina on Oct 21, 2008 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I read an interview with "Mr. Paris-Roubaix",

Roger De Vlaeminck, who won the Queen 4 times. For 2 years he joined an Italian team with Francisco Moser, who won P-R at least one of the years. Looking back on it, he said he could have beaten Moser that time but he couldn’t chase down his attack and had to settle for the podium. I’m glad Ballan didn’t make the same mistake.

"I was pushed with two hands [by another rider]." -a local club rider in regards to how he crashed

by brunopitton on Oct 21, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

You only commented to show off your new icon thingy

Congrats.

If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when are you going to have time to do it again?

by CannonDowell on Oct 21, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

NEW!?!

I had it since the Tour. Thanks.

by brunopitton on Oct 22, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK then

next year we really need to vary the route a bit. Give everyone a chance to wear it for a while. Save the suspense till the last day.

by Monty. on Oct 23, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree about Valverde

He’s never won a grand tour. He needs to show up for the showdown with Cunego at Liège. Because I said so.

But eh, this week, the week before the Tour presentation, he has to talk Tour and keep himself in the headlines. Sponsors like that sort of thing. Who knows what he really wants to do.

by Jen See on Oct 21, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Wait

sandbagging… in the offseason program discussions? Is nothing safe from sandbagging? Is he sandbagging with his choice of clothes tomorrow? Am I sandbagging in this comment? Are you? This is getting confusing.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 21, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're both wrong...

…Valverde is clearly talking about the Tour of Poland, which also starts in Monaco next year.

by plinytheelder on Oct 21, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 21, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

always

Nothing is safe from sandbagging. You can never know for sure. I might be sandbagging right now. Or, I might not.

Curious.

by Jen See on Oct 21, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

In somewhat unrelated

news
Hope this doesn’t affect their cycling gig.

I also agree with your comments on Ballan.
World champ a servent to Boonen? Didnt that already happen a few times in the last couple years.

If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when are you going to have time to do it again?

by CannonDowell on Oct 21, 2008 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes and no

Bettini has certainly worked for Boonen but because they’ve never really targeted the same races he hasn’t sacrificed anything of major importance like Ballan would have to.

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Oct 21, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed

Really, Bettini and Boonen don’t really overlap. Devolder kind of overlapped with both, but he was more of a wild card than a captain.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 21, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adding

in the parlance of my week-old classics post:

Boonen: 1-5
Bettini: 3-8
Devolder: 1-6

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 21, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hm

hope Valverde isn’t being paid in mortgage-backed securities.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 21, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you're right bout Ballan

Just remembering last year they were interviewing Boonen and Cricket was on the trainer behind him with headphones on and he(Boonen) was saying that he was targetting the race for a win. He almost rolled his eyes towards Bettini when he said it. Kind of a funny moment.

If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when are you going to have time to do it again?

by CannonDowell on Oct 21, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Here's what I don't understand re: Valverde

If you look at his schedule last year, he started with some simple low-key tune-up races in Spain then did the Criterium International. These were his pre-April races and his load at that point was low. These races are what he’s talking about cutting back on and I don’t see how not doing those races will make much of a difference.

After those races he goes to the Ardennes for some Fleche and LBL action. Those are in April so by his comments he’s not talking of ditching those. In fact I see those races as the culmination of his early season- and after LBL he takes five weeks off before the Dolphin race.

So honestly by his comments above I see him only talking about fine-tuning his race schedule though he makes it out to be a big difference.

by ursula on Oct 21, 2008 6:45 PM EDT reply actions  

The context of the quote is on the TdF preview thread, and is worth looking at, especially in relation to changes he’d said he’d make for his 2008 season set-up, but didn’t necessarily carry through on.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Oct 21, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I looked at that and...?

I think he’s over thinking here. He didn’t have a very heavy pre-April spring and the fact that he peaked basically in the Dolphin and early Tour, took a power on Hautacam then got back up and did well on the Alps won’t be changed by racing a couple less times in freakin’ March or February.

I just don’t see his words jibing with his actions. He’s like a nervous Levi Leipheimer here. Twitchy.

by ursula on Oct 21, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It might not just be about where you enter

, how you race also matters. Valverde was pretty competitive in most of the races he entered which may reflect the type of training he did. Look at Sastre who most likely did heavy trainingblocks the entire run-up to the Tour and therefore was not looking very good in the races he did enter. Perhaps that led him into the Tour with a more robust form though. I’m talking out my ass here as I know nothing of training but I can imagine Valverde and a few others looking long and hard at how Sastre accomplished his win.

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Oct 22, 2008 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just don’t see his words jibing with his actions.

For me that’s the point. They didn’t really this year, they won’t next.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Oct 22, 2008 4:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol, twitchy

Me, I think he’s just chatting up the press. He needs to keep the sponsor happy by staying in the “favorites” previews for the Tour. And he needs to answer the inevitable question: well, you didn’t win last year, why not? What are you going to do differently next year?

by Jen See on Oct 22, 2008 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

There seems to be an 800 lb/kilo gorilla

in this conversation. Val is Spanish. Did he have Grande Mig on his wall or King Kelly?

I don’t even think that guy has to try very hard in order to win LBL. He sits on Tintin until the Saint-Nicholas and from there it gets less and less complicated. Ok, so he may have to switch to Andy Shleck’s wheel soon but still…

I think its the right play for Val. Contador is gonna be tough to beat in the next few years, but that’s not the point. Telling Val to leave the Tour alone is like asking Tomke to focus more of his energy toward P-R and leave the Ronde to others. P-R pays the bills for Tom, but the Ronde completes his dreams.

I think Val deserves a few years to focus on the Tour. I betcha that’s where his heart is.

Never, ever, work with a sprinter.

by Put 'Em in the Gutter on Oct 21, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

LBL

Cunego should beat him there eventually. Not sure why he crapped out this year.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 21, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

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