Giro d'Italia Course Rumorage: Part Due

by gavia on Oct 23, 2008 8:16 PM EDT in Gossip!

For the Giro watchers...

The Italian newspaper La Stampa published today a graphic and stage list for the possible course for next year's Giro d'Italia. The stage list remains unconfirmed, and the official presentation for the Giro is still to come.

Here is the stage list compiled by La Stampa:
1° TAPPA LIDO DI VENEZIA (cronosquadre)
2° TAPPA JESOLO - TRIESTE
3° TAPPA GRADO - CONEGLIANO
4° TAPPA PADOVA - SAN MARTINO DI CASTROZZA
5° TAPPA SAN MARTINO DI CASTROZZA - ALPE DI SIUSI
6° TAPPA CASTELROTTO - MAYRHOFEN (Austria)
7° TAPPA INNBRUCK (Austria) - CHIAVENNA
8° TAPPA MORBEGNO - COMO
9° TAPPA MILANO - TORINO
10° TAPPA CUNEO - SESTRIERE
11° TAPPA PINEROLO - GENOVA
12° TAPPA SESTRI LEVANTE - LERICI (crono)
13° TAPPA LIDO DI CAMAIORE - FIRENZE
14° TAPPA CAMPI BISENZIO - BOLOGNA/SAN LUCA
15° TAPPA BOLOGNA - RIMINI
16° TAPPA PERGOLA - MONTE PETRANO
17° TAPPA CHIETI - BLOCK HAUS
18° TAPPA SULMONA - BENEVENTO
19° TAPPA AVELLINO - NAPOLI/VESUVIO
20° TAPPA NAPOLI - ANAGNI
21° TAPPA ROMA (cronometro)

Note the inclusion of the Block Haus. And six uphill finishes.

More details about the possible course and in particular, the climbs, can be found here in Giro Rumors, Part 1.

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Holy smokes

What a ride that would be… Love the ending. I know this isn’t the first time we’ve discussed possible stages in Vesuvio, Naples and Rome, but still… can’t wait. So we don’t have a date on the Gala??

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Oct 23, 2008 11:14 PM EDT 0 recs

Official Announcement

is on December 13th in Venice. ooh my first post, happy it could be so informational LOL

by Phil H. on Oct 24, 2008 12:33 AM EDT up 0 recs

Welcome Phil

Dec 13 is the day we celebrate St Lucia here in Sweden, perhaps it’s too much too hope for riders turning up in some version of the traditional costume

(and no, they are not members of the clan, they are "Starboys")

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Oct 24, 2008 2:46 AM EDT up 0 recs

Oh.

Are you sure that photo doesn’t come from your family album? You can tell us you know ;-)

by Albertina on Oct 24, 2008 11:20 AM EDT up 0 recs

Hey Albertina....

Do computers always go wrong on Fridays? Just thought I’d ask.

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Oct 24, 2008 12:13 PM EDT up 0 recs

See?! What did I tell you?! Technical issues going on, and what day is it? Friday of course.

by Albertina on Oct 24, 2008 12:25 PM EDT up 0 recs

Santa Lucia!

Was a common curse among my Italian uncles.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Oct 24, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up 0 recs

Maybe they were forced to wear the dress and the duncecap in their youth?

I’m just saying, it’s no picnic.

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Oct 24, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up 0 recs

Looks like

The Frank Spencer fan club

by Monty. on Oct 24, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up 0 recs

Ooh, Betty!

God but I hate that programme.

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Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
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by fmk on Oct 24, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up 0 recs

But

could you see any comedy programme letting its star do stunts like that nowadays. You’d get a couple of close ups for colour, then long long shots of a stuntman in a wig. I can’t see Disney sticking Miley Cyrus in a car and shooting her off the pier.

by Monty. on Oct 24, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up 0 recs

I’d like to see I can’t see Disney sticking Miley Cyrus in a car and shooting her – even though I’ve no idea who she is other than for her father and the photoshoot.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Oct 24, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up 0 recs

Don't be such an old grouch

I didn’t even see the photo and I still know who she is.

by Monty. on Oct 24, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up 0 recs

I just don’t have a TV monty, so miss out on a lot of this stuff. And haven’t been inclined to YouTube her. My niece will be over this way for Christmas and I’m sure she’ll be able to fill me in (I learnt all about High school Musical last year through her).

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Oct 24, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up 0 recs

I've never watched her on TV either

It’s just that it is so so hard to avoid the name everywhere. This year’s Mary-Kate and Ashley, if you will. Heck I know them too even if, as far as I know, none of whatever it is they do ever got shown in the UK.

by Monty. on Oct 24, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up 0 recs

Has been easy enough for me. The first time I heard of her was the photoshoot story. Since then … once, I think.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Oct 24, 2008 5:10 PM EDT up 0 recs

lol, hi :-)

Welcome to the party!

Yes, the official thingy is in December at the theater, La Fenice, in Venizia.

by gavia on Oct 24, 2008 11:12 AM EDT up 0 recs

Hellooooo!

by Albertina on Oct 24, 2008 11:18 AM EDT up 0 recs

Thanks for the warm welcome everyone!

by Phil H. on Oct 24, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up 0 recs

The more the merrier :-)

by Albertina on Oct 24, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up 0 recs

Welcome!

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Oct 24, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up 0 recs

I totally dig the ending

I’m really liking the looks of this one. Hope it’s close to what Zomegnan has in mind. The finish should be fabulous, and it hits lots of really cool spots along the way. The crono in Ledici sound beautiful, for example.

by gavia on Oct 24, 2008 11:14 AM EDT up 0 recs

It's Italy

you have to work very very hard to find a bit that’s not beautiful.

by Monty. on Oct 24, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up 0 recs

Right

Also, I’m pretty sure all 21 stages can be analogized to a woman.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Oct 24, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up 0 recs

...this should be good. :-P

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Oct 24, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up 0 recs

all 21 stages can be analogized to a woman.

What, just like Swiss Toni?

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Oct 24, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up 0 recs

I guess you'll be getting the pleasure of Elisa Basso again, hanging around at every stage finish....

by Albertina on Oct 24, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up 0 recs

Hanging

dangling, swinging, whichever way you put it it’s not a nice sight.

by Monty. on Oct 24, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up 0 recs

Pretty much

Best race of the year :-)

by gavia on Oct 24, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up 0 recs

+1

by Bruce Suomi on Oct 25, 2008 12:35 PM EDT up 0 recs

Bologna /San Luca

Would that be the same finish as Emilia perhaps? If so , yay!

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Oct 24, 2008 2:52 AM EDT 0 recs

Yes, I believe so.

Also, the Como stage includes the Ghisallo, allegedly.

by gavia on Oct 24, 2008 11:13 AM EDT up 0 recs

Gavia – I think ASO have raised the bar and you’re going to have to start playing with Flash for future updates. Reading’s for plebs, we want a snazzy Giro rumourage viddy!

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like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Oct 24, 2008 7:43 AM EDT 0 recs

Eh

They have a much bigger budget than we do at the Gossip World Headquarters. Words are free.

by gavia on Oct 24, 2008 11:12 AM EDT up 0 recs

Sell one of the foreign offices. That new Yurt you’ve opened should fetch the price of Flash For Dummies :)

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Oct 24, 2008 12:20 PM EDT up 0 recs

And I should point out that hose … For Dummies books can be pretty good. I built my first website after reading HTML For Dummies one weekend.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Oct 24, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up 0 recs

i like reading... hate flash with a passion

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Oct 24, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up 0 recs

But that Tour presentation is absolutely gorgeous. And to follow the Giro route I’ve got a tab open with a map of Italy on it only when I tab back to this page, the magic marker tracks I’ve daubed on the screen to mark the route get in the way of my reading.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Oct 24, 2008 1:08 PM EDT up 0 recs

And I see steephill.tv has a scan of the map for the geographically challenged (ie me).

And I’ve only just noticed that Gavia already linked to another scan of the map. I’m on a slow Friday, evidently.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Oct 24, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up 0 recs

Yep, I linked

LOL, if steephill did it, I guess I can do it too…

by gavia on Oct 24, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up 0 recs

Chris?

Wanna rule on this one? It’s a scan of a La Stampa graphic, lifted from an Italian forum. How many copyright violations deep would we be?

;-)

by gavia on Oct 24, 2008 4:41 PM EDT up 0 recs

Pfft

There’s an Italian site that can’t be contacted, yet is running PdC posts verbatim, in full. It’s a scofflaw nation. So steal away.

[Not actual advice]

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Oct 28, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up 0 recs

lol :-)

I’ve seen that site. Loserz.

by gavia on Oct 29, 2008 12:35 PM EDT up 0 recs

Like the addition of the paper on the front. :-)

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Oct 29, 2008 1:27 PM EDT up 0 recs

This is starting to have the ring of truth

As a north-to-south route, this makes pretty good sense. There are no crazy transfers, for one thing. The two early Dolomiti stages would likely be less ridiculously hard than the typical third-week Dolomiti suffer-fests, leaving the first really hard mountain stage until stage 10. The Block Haus and Vesuvio stages at the end could then approximate the typical hard Alps or Dolomiti finishing stages, making the race reasonably similar in structure to a typical Giro course.

Still, it would be an incredibly hard course, with the possibility for several of the hilly-classics type stages that the Giro does so well. Cunego should like the opportunity to repeat his Lombardia success on the stage to Como, if it goes over the Ghisallo, and the San Luca finish will also be fun. I was thinking the Bologna-Rimini stage could be quite classics-like if they used the Nove Colli, but it looks like the Gran Fondo Nove Colli is on the same day as the Bologna-Rimini stage on this schedule, Sunday the 24th, so the Nove Colli roads would be a bit crowded.

Sestri Levante to Lerici would be quite a long time trial: 62.1k, according to google map. I guess Lance Armstrong wasn’t kidding when he said he was good friends with Zomegnan.

by Tifosa on Oct 24, 2008 1:22 PM EDT 0 recs

The crono

That’s the one thing that doesn’t really ring true to me about this version of the course. No way does the Giro throw at 62 km crono – even with Armstrong and Basso racing. I’m guessing either the start or the finish there is wrong. Wasn’t the Giro course – the one that Basso won – criticized for the length of the crono? And that one was like 50 km, I think. No one really liked how big the time gaps were after that stage, as I recall.

I so like the Vesuvio and Block Haus finale. Yum. And those classic-y stages should be oodles of fun.

Good eye on the transfers – you’re right, it doesn’t look like there are all that many, does it.

by gavia on Oct 24, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up 0 recs

Yep

That crono route does not look like the final draft. I think you’re right the RCS learned its lesson about killing the suspense halfway through the race with the Basso crono in 2006. Not to mention the fact that another ten-minute Basso victory in the Giro would not be so well-received, this time around.

I would guess the two cronos will be close to the distance of the two this year, maybe 40k and 25k.

by Tifosa on Oct 24, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up 0 recs