AFLD-Day Open Thread
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 3, 2008 11:02 AM EDT
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PrintSupposedly today we will learn the names of a few riders who have turned up positive samples for CERA during or shortly before the Tour de France. Only Cycling could make the economic bailout seem fun. Anyway, L'Equipe's headline so far is Frank Schleck's "tourmente" so maybe today won't be so eventful. But if/when anything breaks, post it here.
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I don't want to rain on anyones parade/funeral
but everywhere I’ve read they say the first test will be completed Friday, not announced. But perhaps everyone is confident in the labs inability to keep the results confidential for more than five minutes? They did say that the riders would be notified first though (I know, I know, laugh at my innocence, I’m just a blue-eyed boy from the country.).
Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets
lol
I thought it was announced between Friday and Monday for the first set, next week for the final seven.
Hmm, I’m thinking this evening European time, at the earliest.
yep, read that too.
“The first results of blood tests to detect CERA in ten samples taken during this year’s Tour de France could be known on Friday, with other results some time next week, according to French newspaper L’Equipe.”
Announcing
Only those riders who produce a non-negative or the names of all the riders that were subject to further testing?
First round
The first round of announcements is supposed to be 3 positives. The following round, seven more sometime next week.
Eh, we wait.
I think of it as
“A Directory of Wonderful Things (Plus All The Creepy Stuff Mark Frauenfelder Posts)”
wait
what have you got against the affordable groupo from Campy?
by Christopher See on Oct 3, 2008 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Burn their bandwidth baby! Make those Frenchies pay for making us wait.
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by fmk on Oct 3, 2008 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I have that turned off in Firefox, I think. It’s a naughty way some sites pump up their PIPMs.
Ctrl+F5 just feels more … refreshing.
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by fmk on Oct 3, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Speculative TdF 2009 route and schedule
posted at Velonews: http://www.velonews.com/article/83958/new-aso-boss-to-unveil—09-tour-route
POTENTIAL ROUTE FOR 2009 TOUR DE FRANCE
July 4: Stage 1, Monaco TT (15km)
Hilly time trial
July 5: Stage 2, Monaco—Sisteron (210km)
Hilly stage
July 6: Stage 3, Sisteron—La Grande Motte (225km)
Flat stage
July 7: Stage 4, Montpellier—Perpignan (190km)
Flat stage
July 8: Stage 5, Amélie-les-Bains—Barcelona (Spain) (225km)
Hilly stage
July 9: Stage 6, Barcelona—Andorra (210km)
Mountain stage with summit finish at Pal
July 10: Stage 7, Andorra—St. Gaudens (185km)
Mountain stage via Port d"Envalira, Col de Port, Col de la Core and Portet d’Aspet
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July 11: Stage 8, Tarbes—Bordeaux (220km)
Flat stage
July 12: Stage 9, Bordeaux—Limoges (225km)
Rolling stage
July 13: Rest day
14: Stage 10, Limoges—Issoudin (180km)
Rolling/flat stage
15: Stage 11, Vartan—Åuxerre (185km)
Rolling stage
July 16: Stage 12, Chablis—Vittel (205km)
Rolling stage
July 17: Stage 13, Vittel—Colmar (190km)
Mountain stage in Vosges via Ballon d’Alsace and Grand Ballon
July 18: Stage 14, Colmar—Besançon (185km)
Rolling stage
July 19: Stage 15, Pontarlier—Verbier (Switzerland) (175km)
Mountain stage in Alps via climb to Champex with summit finish at Verbier
July 20: Rest day
July 21: Stage 16, Martigny—Les Arcs (190km)
Mountain stage via Grand St. Bernard and Petit St. Bernard with a summit finish at Les Arcs
July 22: Stage 17, Moutiers—Le Grand Bornand (170km)
Mountain stage via Cormet de Roselend, Col des Saisies, Col de l’Épine and Col de la Croix-Fry
July 23: Stage 18, Annecy TT (40km)
Time trial around Lake Annecy
July 24: Stage 19, Belley—Aubenas (210km)
Rolling stage
July 25: Stage 20, Montélimar—Mont Ventoux (130km)
Summit finish on Mont Ventoux
July 26: Stage 21, Fontainebleau—Paris (140km)
Flat stage
Fun goodies to start pondering a trip....
Hey – has work been slowing down for you? Not normal to see you on here during the day… :-)
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
Yeah, I usually only read during the day,
but this was big news! We cancelled a trip to Hautacam last year, so I’m really interested in the route for 2009.
And no, work has not slowed down. People keep suing my clients (thank goodness)!
LOL - it's fun to read from you more often :-)
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
Isn't that the wrong way around the country?
Shouldn’t next year be Pyrenees last and Alps first?
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I like the way Wilcockson is claiming the credit for working out the route.
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by fmk on Oct 3, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
All Lance, all the time ...
He’s to Velo News what Princess Di was to British tabloids and U2 are to Hot Press. Circulation viagra.
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by fmk on Oct 3, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
But
Lance got it “from a blog post”. Which means we are the source. Which means this post has come full circle.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 3, 2008 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking of that blogger guy who’s been collating all the route gossip for a while now.
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by fmk on Oct 3, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
who we’ve been borrowing from and linking to. Seriously though, that guy deserves some credit.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 3, 2008 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.steephill.tv/2009/tour-de-france/
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by fmk on Oct 3, 2008 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It was Steephill??
I thought there was another site devoted to tracking the Tour. Didn’t CyclingChallenge come up with something in France?? My memory totally sucks.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 4, 2008 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I was just reading Steephilltv
Steve mentions that he got the information from another site but wouldn’t name it because they don’t share the love.
I googled it, it must be true.
So there’s at least three blogs that Velo News got their exclusive breaking news from. Cool.
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by fmk on Oct 4, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes!
That’s the one I was thinking of.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 4, 2008 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Pyrenees, Alps, Vosges AND Ventoux
Naaahh , I don’t believe. All the details make it look convincing though.
Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets
This
needs its own post.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 3, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
That seems implausibly low on time trial kilometers.
55 total time trial kilometers? That sounds more like a Vuelta route than a Tour route.
by Susie Hartigan on Oct 3, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Two words
stop lance.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 3, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to love the speed of the French when it comes to re-ogranising the Tour to stop Lance, don’t you?
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by fmk on Oct 3, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll be the bald guy peeing behind the Tom (not Bart) Simpson memorial
by cyclingchallenge on Oct 4, 2008 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Or you could just, you know, wave from a distance....
Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets
You could also doff your cap in Merckx-style
but I would actiually suggest pelting him with small rocks for disrespecting the british cycling-legend.
Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets
Heh heh!
I just tricked Albertina into climbing Ventoux with rocks in her pockets!
Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets
Bet she’d still beat you up the climb though …
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by fmk on Oct 4, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know how you have such a positive image of my climbing ability.
I’m more of a sprinter (that’s my excuse anyway…!)
don’t worry, we’ll nobble jens’ bike, just in case :)
and we might have to send you to a blood bank in austria, just to be sure to be sure
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by fmk on Oct 4, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I had already thought of that one Jens. You can't trick me, oh no.
I shall pick them up on the approach to said memorial rather than carrying them all the way from the bottom. Either that or I shall drive up with my rocks in the boot.
Armstrong. Est-Se Sérieux?
velomagazine.fr’s banner ad on L’Equipe is amusing me no end. I could watch that little cyclist darting left and right for … oh … seconds.
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Huh What do L'Equipe report now.
(Free translation. Pardon for all the mistakes. Send complains at WhyGermanifyoucanbeDutch@hotmail.com)
A new dope has been entered in profesionel cycling. It’s based on the same sources as CERA. The only difference are the side effects. They are not as begign as CERA. The symptons are starting at the end of the season. After a whole year of great perfomances their is a switch in the head of them who used it. Suddenly their all Centaurs in their head. The squad of Podiumcafe have been guilty on the new drugs. How they could be infected is a mystery. Stay tuned!
Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.
As evidenced, I only had one post in that thread
I made a mistake and turned to these people for centaur-advice. Friends and colleagues advised me not to pursue it further and as the PdC-search program shows I haven’t posted about centaurs since.
Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets
So you put E7000,- on the bank-accounts of
Crashdan Lyne Albertina Drew Dheadrick Veloki Gavia Katiek Rockepress and the one how were to far to the bottom for some advice?
That doesn’t just feel right… (Rich bastard!) So I looked for some evidence Jens.. Explain this please for me.
Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.
OMG! What that hell is that warped photo.
Ruthann… do not click that link. Just don’t do it.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
Hotitude
Who rec’ed up the Hoitude thread?
And BTW, the All Fanposts link is much better since whatever change overcame it.
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Yeah
I meant to comment on that. It’s been upgraded in the last 48 hours.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 3, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Just checked that out...
The new view is nicer!
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
Can't blame me for that...
I don’t believe we can “rec” our own posts so I am off the hook. :-)
But I won’t complain about seeing that for a few more days either.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
Well the new look All Fanposts page tells us that the record for recs is only 13 – so let’s make an effort to make Hotitude overtake it.
pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
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Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
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by fmk on Oct 3, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
too bad it only allows us to rec once. otherwise? i’d be rec-ing the hottitude like daily, even hourly.
I did try and do it twice but discovered I'd been foiled by the system.
A multi reccing facility should certainly be available :-)
Speaking of CuttingEdgeMuscle...
Since this is an Open Thread related to AFLD and, I imagine, all things dopage… let’s check in with our friends, the CuttingEdgeMuscle douchebags…
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Straight to the point - that is entirely fucked up
I’m assuming that the vast majority of the people on that site are weekend warriors (i.e. guys racing for at most $500 purses, and certainly not paying the mortgage on what they earn). I count myself in that class as well, except I know I’m not going to win any money at it and do it more for fun and fitness than anything else. That they are even using to this degree strikes me as the height of pathetic.
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."
+1
I am proud of my category 6 status :)
by cyclingchallenge on Oct 3, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
That site makes me sick everytime it come ups.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
Ok, now I've spent an hour reading that stuff
Don’t make the same mistake I did.
Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets
Side-effects of doping
Apparently Mr Realgains over on Cutting EdgeMorons is suffering from a severe side-effect: The inability to stop himself from using the word “bro”
Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets
Ahh yes... I recall Realgains from my perusal of that site during Riccofest 2008...
… I picture Realgains looking somewhat like Chet in Weird Science.
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Was it snowing in his bedroom?
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."
I'm sorry Wyatt...
… I’m sorry, for being such a shit to you all these years.
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Ugh
I just lost 4’ of my life reading that link. And I think my IQ dropped by a good 8 pts……which I really can’t spare.
I know that he and I are from the same country, are the same gender, and speak the same language (barely), but other than that I can’t think of one other way in which we are similar. Egad what a poor example of a health professional (his stated job).
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Did you see my comment in the Centaur/Unicorn/Open Thread?
Or did you have the class and good fortune to miss that entire thing? I was wondering where your trip report went… it was a fanpost wasn’t it?
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Love it
How do we get a “member status” function like they have? That way I can put icons next to everyone’s screen name that indicate what I think of you. Really helpful icons like “insider” and “kewl kid” and “dipshit” and “owes me money”?
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 3, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh there must be some way to force avatars on people...
I say you use this one for Drew…
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Don't try and explain it,
Lister. I don’t know why I’m even surprised. Everyone always leaves me in the end. Girls, parents… I had a pet lemming once. I loved that little lemming. I built him a little wall so he could hurl himself over it. He didn’t want for anything. I’ll never forget one Christmas I put my finger in his cage to give him some mince pie. He bit me! He sunk his teeth right into my fingers and wouldn’t let go. In the end I had to smash his brains out against the wall. That little lemming broke my heart. The little git completely ruined my helicopter wallpaper.
oh yeah full of gems
I think we’re all beginning to lose sight of the real issue here, which is: what are we going to call ourselves? I think it comes down to a choice between “The League Against Salivating Monsters” or, my own personal preference, which is “The Committee for the Liberation and Integration of Terrifying Organisms and their Rehabilitation Into Society.” One drawback with that—the abbreviation is CLITORIS.
awesome :-)
no idea what you’re talking about. but it’s funny. which is really all that matters.
i so heart open threads. i think we should have them far more often.
The Inquisitor...
Inquisitor: Hi, buddy! This is your judgement day, bud. I gotta be cruel. No favours.
Cat: I’m hearing you on FM.
Inquisitor: I have to ask you the question – justify your existence. What contribution have you made?
Cat: I have given pleasure to the world because I have such a beautiful ass!
Inquisitor: Well, that’s true.
Cat: Can I go now?
Inquisitor: That’s your case???
Cat: You need more?!
Inquisitor: Some might say that’s a shallow argument.
Cat: Some might say I’m a shallow guy; but a shallow guy with a great ass!
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Red Dwarf...
BBC at it’s more twisted. From the late 90’s. Still floats around PBS broadcasters. Very funny shit. Too bad our local outlet has a limited run of episodes and they’ve all run numerous times. The Cat is too funny for words.
by Christopher See on Oct 3, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you ever see the "Making Of" and "Blooper" episode?
They had a panel at some Sci Fi convention somewhere and a kid, probably 10 or 11 years old, walked up and asked the actor that plays Lister: “What does Smeg mean?”… Craig Charles was at a bit of a loss to explain it…
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ROFL
yeah I saw them years ago – the PBS station often ran those during pledge. I do wonder if pbs still plays the show. I have a hankering for red dwarf with a nice curry over the weekend whilst it’s raining.
How's THIS for an odd tie in with the Centaur thread...
… the first time I watched Red Dwarf was with a Cockney punk rocker that was helping me build my booth at the first Ren Faire I sold stuff at. He had a bunch of episodes on VHS he’d taped off KQED during a pledge drive marathon.
That, as I recall, still qualifies as one of the top 10 craziest weekends of my life.
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I forgot about Cat!
… and Kryten!… I seem to only ever recall Lister and Rimmer…
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"And then the principal said 'you know Emo, I could expel you'......
and I said ‘well, you’re gonna have to catch and eat me first,’ "
One of the best live shows, back in the day.
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."
"So they took me to the prinicpal and he said 'How'd you like to repeat the fourth grade'...
and I said ‘well, I don’t know if I could do it exactly…’ "
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I thought you had l'equip on auto-refresh...
… and were just sitting there consuming vast quantities of Espresso waiting for the news to pop… if you don’t know, guaranteed none of us know…
Well… I sure as hell don’t know.
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lol, no
I went surfing. But I’m back now. Shit, after all that build-up they give us nothing. Bastardo.
Could we just get this thing over with already?
steady young um..
it’s 1 am in Euro land.. and the CN crew are just getting to work( assuming they are still in Oz after Future Pub in GB bought the site. So how’s the swell? Our storm doing you any good yet? We’re supposed to get hammered this weekend. Believe it when I see it.
by Christopher See on Oct 3, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
junky
storm’s sitting close to the coast. surf got hit with the ugly stick. fun times anyways, though. i’ll take it. b’sides, junky keeps some of the crowds away.
what’s cn going to know that the european sites don’t? if the news was out, it would have been on l’equipe, or any of the others by now. cn is usually behind those guys, since they lift most of their content anyway.
CN only because they’re awake when the Frenchies put their news out…
by Christopher See on Oct 3, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
sadly many would be disappointed
with negative tests.
not I (me)
by cyclingchallenge on Oct 3, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Can new races stop calling themselves Tour "DE" whatever
open thread and i’m grumpy and can’t be bothered with a post.
now its a new UCI race in upstate new york that is made up of parts from the Twilight Omnium. granted it is close to quebec but please stop it. now. its really dumb and annoying. there I feel better, well, not really.
Oscar Pujol (Burgos Monumental) to Cervelo
according to cyclismag. The 22 year old is the 4th Spaniard to join the team – with Carlos Sastre, Inigo Cuesta & Xavier Florencio.
just don't be getting carried away with rumors ;-)
interesting – very eclectic mix of riders on that team.
the 5th (and last) Spaniard should be Joaquin Novoa
by King of Doping on Oct 3, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he the guy Sastre tried to get in on CSC?
He was on some of their camps and rode some races as stagiare at the end of last season. Didn’t really impress anyone from what I recall.
Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets
The Belgian press is bored again
Now Sportwereld.be is decrying all the frenzy over the doping rumors, concluding that “witch hunting is to be applauded, provided there are real witches to hunt.”
love the headline...
“Het dopingmonster van Loch Ness” – is “dopingmonster” a real Flemish word? ;-)
Oh no
Man, they’ve got some fucking nerve.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 4, 2008 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree with them. All this speculation is so totally not on.
So, anyway, in the abscence of names, what’re the odds on Piepoli being in the first batch of guilties? And Sastre being named before Wednesday?
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Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway
by fmk on Oct 4, 2008 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Was joking. Just cause you’re Spainish and were once trained by Sainz doesn’t make you a junkie.
pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway
by fmk on Oct 4, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
In other doping-related news...
There are articles in Sportwereld.be and Le Figaro this morning (well, it’s morning to me) concerning a possible boycott of Paris-Tours by all 18 Pro Tour teams, to protest the inclusion of two Pro Continental teams (Mitsubishi and LPR Brakes) who have refused to participate in or help pay for the UCI’s biological passport system.
Apparently, the Tour of Lombardy might also be boycotted.
Test Pettachi?
Are they nuts? Look what happened the last time!
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by fmk on Oct 4, 2008 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
No, more like..
“you sit on the wheels, while I attack; no, YOU sit on wheels while I attack; Levi, go get me some water”
Maybe, but as mentioned somewhere else.. his one year suspension was contingent on his retirement…. I assume they expected that to be permanent retirement
by Christopher See on Oct 4, 2008 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I just posed that in G’s cool kids thread.
by Christopher See on Oct 4, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope he'll be a better helper
than he was for Ulrich.
Vino, Armstrong, Contador, Klöden and Leipheimer(I feel I forgot someone) sounds like an unfair match, perhaps we’ll see the other teams teaming up.
Tour organizer says Armstrong has embarrassed race
AP saying it, so it must be true
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Isn't that the kind of thing you get dis-invited for?
I seem to remember something like this.
Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets
But there’s a glorious peace deal in place, all is happy in cycling’s garden, the weeds have been pulled and thrown out and we’re ready for the new growth
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by fmk on Oct 4, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
although amaury did say that the aso would remain strict on doping. so eh, maybe embarassing the race would be a bad idea.
You mean maybe the UCI hasn’t actually whipped ASO into place? And the whip may be being held in other hands?
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Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway
by fmk on Oct 4, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Mos' def'
But I didn’t read the change in leadership as the UCI whipping the ASO into shape by any means. I think there’s been a rapprochement for sure, and it’s clear that the Amaury family wants to end the war. But that doesn’t mean that they’re going to compromise on every count, the UCI is going to have to play nice also.
Doesn’t look to me like ASO’ve compromised on any counts. You look back a few years to what Clerc was saying and that’s the deal that’s been struck. ASO lost Clerc, Verbruggen left the UCI to spend more time with his money. Fair exchange’s no robbery.
pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway
by fmk on Oct 4, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
ah, gotcha
Your comment was sorta sarcastic pretend innocence. Funny stuff, now that I read it again. Yes, if anyone has the upper hand, it’s still the ASO in my book, in particular because getting the UCI to do the doping controls again rather than paying the French saves a boatload of cash which is very nice for the bottomline.
Your comment was sorta sarcastic pretend innocence.
I should post those ones in italics, or stick winking smileys at the end of em, I know.
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by fmk on Oct 4, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
When I have a kid...
… I’m going to name them “Amaury”. Figure it’s sort of a Scape-goaty kind of thing.
Actually, that’s a lie. I’m going to name him Tycho…
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After the astronomer guy?
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by fmk on Oct 5, 2008 4:42 AM EDT up reply actions
They call their unlucky days "Brahes"?
I would have thought they called them Poloniuses…
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I worked at an astronomy library once and we actually used to have arguments over how his name should be pronounced.
Is there a Dane out there who can put us out of our misery…..?
I think OctaBech is a dane, but I'll give it a go
Tyko Braa-e (more like tiko than taicho), the h in Brahe is silent.
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Finally, my Danish heritage hasn't been a complete waste after all :D
It’s rather hard to find a replacement for the Danish pronouncement of ‘y’ in the English language.
The Danish ‘y’ is very much like the French pronouncement of ‘u’ in Mur (de Huy, La Flèche Wallonne) and the German ‘ü’ in würst.
Tüko Bra(vague ’h’)e
I once interviewed an Irish band who took his name. They told me: “We say it as ‘the tie-co bra-hay’. And it’s wrong! The Germans pronounce it ‘the tick-o brau’, which sounds like the thicko woman, in German. But the Czechs – which I believe is right, because Brahe worked there at the end of his career – they pronounce it ‘the tick-o bra-hay.’”
I think they got sick of the pronunciation problems cause they changed their name to Tychonaut.
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by fmk on Oct 6, 2008 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
What a fount of knowledge this place is :-)
I always thought the surname was Jens’ way so it’s encouraging that a bona fide Scandinavian agrees with me! My boss used to say Braa-hee with a very definite ‘h’. But who knows. For years I had thought the first name was tie-co but I’m probably wrong. Any advance OctaBech?
Far as I'm concerned...
it’s pronounced TIE-ko like the drums. One of the only craters on the moon visible (on realllllly clear days) to the naked eye is Tycho crater (also happens to be the place where a certain monolith was supposedly discovered 7 years ago according to Arthure C. Clarke)… that’s why I like the name…
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Do you also pronuonce that french street:
shamps -e-laises?
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The drums? You’d name your kid after a set of drums?
I can’t believe we missed that connection?
So we’re not going to get to talking about Tycho’s dwarf jester and his pet elk then, are we?
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by fmk on Oct 6, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
LA's Rapid Response Unit Responds Rapidly
Reuters saying it, so it must be true
“The last time I checked, I won the Tour seven straight years and was never once found to be guilty of doping despite seven years of intense scrutiny. Not to mention that my team of 25 riders over those seven years was also never found to be positive. Also, according to industry standards, the TV ratings, worldwide media impressions, spectators along the route, and global sponsorships were at an all time high. Where’s the embarrassment in that? It comes down to an issue of distraction. While I love the event and France’s people, I cannot accept this sort of grandstanding.”
A question for folks better informed than me. LA says 25 riders over seven years. I count only 23, including LA himself (Frankie Andreu, Lance Armstrong, José Azevedo, Manuel Beltran Martinez, Pascal Deramé, Vjatceslav Ekimov, Tyler Hamilton, Roberto Heras Hernandez, George Hincapie Garcés, Benoît Joachim, Steffen Kjaergaard, Floyd Landis, Kevin Livingston, Peter Meinert-Nelsien, Benjamin Noval Gonzalez, Pavel Padrnos, Victor Hugo Peña Grisales, Yaroslav Popovych, José Luis Rubiera Vigil, Paolo Savoldelli, Christian Vande Velde, Cédric Vasseur and Jonathan Vaughters). Of whom four have since been caught, two have confessed and at least another four have some explaining to do.
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by fmk on Oct 4, 2008 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Even though I'm far from thrilled
of LA’s comeback, how can anyone say he embarrassed the race, seriously?!
Maybe because many in the media – partic the anglophone media – seem to think that the Tour = LA, LA = doping, QED the Tour = doping.
Cycling’s been able to bury the doping story in the past. It’d have the odd outbreak for a season in each decade, but was never really sustained. 1955 was swiftly forgotten. 1967 was swiftly forgotten. 1978 was swiftly forgotten. 1988 was swiftly forgotten. 1999 was swiftly forgotten. But since 2001 it’s been a constant part of the story of the Tour and impossible to bury. If LA wants to point to all the gains of his reign he might also want to look to the losses, to see hoe they balance out. He can’t claim credit for all the gains without accepting some credit for the losses too.
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by fmk on Oct 4, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
"LA says 25 riders over seven years. I count only 23"
He may have been referring to the whole team (not just those in the Tour), which would usually have consisted of 25 riders. Well, I’ve confirmed the 2004 roster contained 25, and don’t feel the inclination to check every other year.
I also don’t think any of those guys tested positive while on Postal/Discovery during those years, so technically he’s probably correct.
The whole team
1999: 16 riders
2000: 21 riders
2001: 23 riders
2002: 22 riders
2003: 22 riders
2004: 25 riders
2005: 28 riders
63 different riders in total, including LA.
And yes, none failed a test during that period. Though there are the two confessors. And the curious case of Gianpaolo Mondini, who I think is one of only two riders Bruyneel has ever fired for doping-related reasons.
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by fmk on Oct 4, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He is.
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by fmk on Oct 5, 2008 4:42 AM EDT up reply actions
"Why do you love cancer?"
AP have now updated their story to include LA’s rapid response. As well as the guff above, it includes this quote from him:
“I’ve stated clearly, my main objective in 2009 is to bring about global awareness of a disease that kills 8 million people annually worldwide. Nobody ever said that I need the Tour de France in order to try and achieve this.”
Odd that last sentence.
I thought the whole point of him holding his global get together in Paris after the end of the Tour was that he’d be using the Tour to build up media interest in the summit.
Start your speculation of the subtext of it though. It’s potentially interesting.
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by fmk on Oct 4, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh boy
He’s already giving HIMSELF an out…. chicken*&$#
by Christopher See on Oct 4, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
"Why do you love cancer?"
in the context of a comic like Toto, it works well as a punchline :-) – but I find it incredibly scary that there are those who really think like that, who figure someone is either for Lance or against Lance and if they determine (by whatever criteria they use) that someone is against Lance it must mean that they are “for cancer” or “against cancer-fighting efforts”. Which to me is totally illogical, yet I’ve seen numerous statements to that effect on other forums now and in the past … the world isn’t quite so black and white as some seem to think…
And once it’s been used as a punchline, it becomes a catchphrase. And over in this part of the world we seem to like catchphrase-heavy comedy, like the Fast Show etc. I suspect most people round here would read it for what it is.
Given the relatively relaxed atmosphere round here, where people can try to be be both serious and amusing at the same time, I don’t think there ought be a problem with using it as a comedic catchphrase.
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by fmk on Oct 5, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
that there’s no problem with people using it as a comedic catchphrase, that wasn’t my point (and was why I put the :-) after the mention of the Toto comic). My concern is with those who use it or similar phrases in a totally serious way, not here but I’ve seen it elsewhere… it becomes an easy way to criticize anyone who questions Armstrong’s motives and to deflect discussion from the real questions about his comeback.
to deflect discussion from the real questions about his comeback.
Uuuumm … maybe you might want to look at the way LA deploys his cancer cause. Either it’s the real reason for his comeback or he’s the one using cancer to deflect attention from the real reason for his return. If anyone’s motives are being questioned, it’s LA’s.
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by fmk on Oct 6, 2008 6:02 AM EDT up reply actions
"If anyone’s motives are being questioned, it’s LA’s"
umm, yeah, that’s exactly my point … but that those who question LA’s motives are in some venues getting targeted with “how dare you criticize Lance, he does such great things for cancer so you must be against fighting cancer, how awful of you”.
It's less the saying it, than the acting like it's so.
Remember this? Yellow bracelets for the press, asked to wear them to show support for Tony Snow in 2007?
Recap of the story and interview with Bodry (in french)
on Stade 2
Some of the info fro Bodry: the ones that are being re-tested are the ones that received a letter before the Tour stating that their blood values were ‘strange’ …. he did not and does not want to give names.
There are 2 tests to detect Cera, developed independently, one at LNDD and one at Lausanne labs. These new tests will be done using both tests and both labs, and only if both tests detect Cera will a rider be said to be doping.
Bodry will the one to contact the riders if positive., via letter, this week.
Bodry is curious about the biological passport and how Ricco managed to pass through without issues. He will talk to Ricco to see if he had his 6 tests done…. he is very concerned about this.
This stinks of professionalism
This guy will not not last long in the business with that kind of rational and cautious approach. He really needs to shoot his mouth of more and make more allegations he cannot back up with science.
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News at the end of this week
at the earliest says AFLD to Radsport.
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They are sooo not managing my expectations very well. I’m writing a letter of pretest to Prez Sacasty demanding immediate action.
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by fmk on Oct 6, 2008 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions
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