More Doping News from Italy
What a strange world is the world of sports reporting "made in Italy"!
There is a president of a cycling team - one who has been in the business for 25 years, Ivano Fanini - who in the days leading up to the Worlds atVarese declared:
A) At the Worlds a doper will win;
B) The Italian riders withdrew from the Vuelta a few days early, without motive, to "refuel", that is to take doping products far from public view;
C) Bettini was informed of his "surprise controls" and often, during the race, warned the teams that they would be subject to controls in the evening or the next morning;
D) The big names know in advance whether at the end of the race there will or won't be anti-doping controls;
E) I have reported the facts, told to me by my riders, by telephone and in writing to the presidents of the League and the Federation, but to no avail;
F) At the Giro D'Italia of 98, won by Pantani, there was an exchange of samples between Pantani and Forconi and the domestique was sent home in place of his captain as the result of a positive test;
G) This fact was told to me the next day in my office by Forconi himself, my ex-rider, in the presence of a number of witnesses whose names I can supply.
Fanini says these dreadful things - and much more - in a long interview under my byline (Ziliani) published in "La Stampa", an interview that on the eve of the Worlds (Saturday 27th September) was republished almost entirely by the French newspaper "Liberation", and read the replies of Bettini increasing the dose (hardening the tone?) in a pair of press releases that the agency Ansa sent out, the last at 17.44 on Friday 26th September. Well: despite the gravity of the accusations (to repeat on of them: the current world champion is informed by the "Palace" of his surprise controls and the useless complaints forwarded to the League and Federation), there is not one newspaper, TV report or news that passes on this news to its readers or viewers.
... Post continues with more reproaches for the Italian media.
Translated from the blog of Paolo Ziliani
Here's the full Fanini interview from La Stampa:
23/9/2008 Paolo ZilianiFanini: The big names have left the Vuelta to carry out preparations at home. And if they are intelligent they beat the controls.
He doesn't mince his words, Ivano Fanini, 57 years old, President of the cycling team Amore & Vita-McDonalds, when he speaks about the heavy air that you breath in a group, five days away from the race that is the highlight of the professionals, the Worlds at Varese.
Fanini, what sort of Worlds will it be?
Ivano Fanini: If the people at RAI were to do things properly on sunday, at the time of the presentation of the professional road-race rainbow, they would put up a caption that says: "Rider Tizio, Gold Medal, Doper. Rider Caio, Silver Medal, Doper. Rider Sempronio, Bronze Medal, Doper."
Your accusations are very serious.
I know, but what will happen is what has happened for years in the Giro, the Vuelta and the Tour: a rider who dopes will win, otherwise he couldn't do it, and he will beat a rider who dopes and another who dopes. And if the "treatments" have been done in an "intelligent" way then the anti-doping won't be a problem.
He explains better.
You saw what happened in the last week of the Vuelta? All the big names who are aiming to win the Worlds and their helpers returned home without a justifiable reason. I asked my Sporting Director, Pierino Gavazzi, who was three times champion of Italy and won one San Remo, why this happened. And he replied that the riders return to do what insiders call "refuelling" (rifornimento), that is to take EPO far from indiscreet eyes. And the thing riders call "treatment". They all do that, the big names who need to win and the helpers who have to help them to win. The only precaution: to stop a few days before the race so as not to leave traces on the fateful day.
But someone is caught from time to time.
Small fry. Youngsters generally get caught in the net, like Ricco and Sella. After the many doping cases in which he was caught up as an amateur, Ricco deserved to be disqualified for life. As far as Sella is concerned, up to a year ago he was a normal rider. The problem is, at the Giro 2008, he became a phenomenon: and also in his case the explanation bore the name of the new EPO, CERA. Also he in a certain sense paid for his inexperience. Such errors would not for sure be made by a Piepoli, the long shadow of Ricco. In truth his team fired him regardless because no-one any longer trusts someone like him.
Ricco's dismissal from the Tour has revived the ghosts of Pantani, sent home in the Maglia Rosa at Madonna do Campiglio on the 5th June 1999.
It's true. But no-one knows that also the previous year, at the Giro in '98, where he won triumphantly, Pantani should have been sent home. Instead in his place was dismissed Forconi, a helper. Who on the next day, since he was an ex-rider of mine who spent 6 years with me at Amore & Vita, came to find me in my office and told me everything. "They changed the samples and sent me home. I was the only one at Mercatone to have low values" he said. Riccardo was an average domestique, worth 20-30 million lire a year. Well after this episode, and this disqualification, he built himself a villa in the hills of Empoli, and made himself a position. Today he works with Beppe Martinelli, the Sporting Director at that time, and is the team manager of Vangi, a highly regarded amateur club.
We have talked about Ricco, Sella, Piepoli, but among the riders disqualified in diverse cases are also Basso, DiLuca, Petacchi...
It's a situation from which there is no return. A year ago at the Giro, after the stage on the Zoncolan, Di Luca, Ricco, Simoni and Mazzoleni were subject to surprise controls. The four best-placed Italians in the classification. Well, all four produced the pee of the angels, showing the hormonal profile of a seven year old child. It makes you laugh. Notwithstanding this, I believe that Di Luca continues to maintain his relationship with the super-disqualified Doctor Santuccione. And Ricco's masseuse is still Pregnolato who followed Pantani and was caught up in the raids of NAS at San Remo, in the Giro of 2001, with a heap of stuff in a suitcase and was then disqualified. Not to mention Basso who was involved in Operation Puerto, has told a pile of lies, and now is ready to come back, as bright as the sum.
What should we do?
Disqualify for life any athlete found positive. And extend automatically the disqualification to the team manager, or sporting director, because no-one believes any longer in the little virgins betrayed by their pupils. Two years ago, after the mess that it got in to with its riders, Milram fired on the spot the D.S. Stanga - who knew everything - and that was right. And I wonder: what is left to do in cycling for one such as Bjarne Riis? Someone who has cheated all his life, who has won a Tour doped, and who after the destruction caused by d.s. is still there, on the flagship, and has just won the Tour de France with Sastre who even on the podium in Paris was not ashamed to thank Manolo Saiz, a man who is the principal architect of doping in cycling together with the doctors Ferrari and Santuccione.
You are the President of Amore & Vita-McDonalds and for many years have been beating a sword ???? against doping. Why do you do it?
Up until '98 I was a manager like any other, I did the same as everyone else. My team won fifteen races, including at the Giro and Vuelta, with riders who doped. Then I started to see young men who were ill, I started to count the dead, and I rebelled. Do you want to know how many of my riders have died in recent years? Six. And three in the last three seasons: Galletti, Cox and Fois. I hired the thirty year old Galletti on the condition that he would no longer touch drugs and he reinvented himself to the point that he became a loyal gregario of Cipollini. He died in a race two years ago. Cox, a South African, had talent and at twenty-three years old he went to Barloworld: at 28 he died in his country, abandoned by everyone, after an unnecessary operation in France for vascular problems caused by taking banned substances. Fois was the last, about 6 months ago. He died with the jersey of Amore & Vita in his wardrobe. As I have often done with many riders in trouble, I hired him to give him back a purpose in life, to take him off the street. He was recovering. I didn't do that.
But the TV commentators and their guests, when Ricco wins "Pantani-style" lose themselves in ?peana?
They know everything but stay silent. And when the dirty business comes about they pretend to tear their clothes. The important words are "business & spectacle"; the rest doesn't count. And the health of the riders matters less than ever. It's a tragedy because many of these young men, when they undergo long disqualifications or cease to ride, pass from doping to cocaine or to other addictive drugs. Just as happened to Pantani, to Jimenez and to Fois, who unfortunately are no longer with us.
And the next day La Stampa published an interview with Amore & Vita-McDonalds DS Piero Gavazzi.
Paolo Ziliani - published 25/9/2008PZ: Piero Gavazzi, you are the Sporting Director of Amore & Vita-McDonalds, Ivano Fanini's team. Is it true that when you spoke to your President a few days ago you told him that the riders who wanted to win the Worlds returned from teh Vuelta a week early to carry out "refuelling", that in cycling jargon means to take doping substances?
PG: Listen, I'll make it clear. If my President asks me a question I tell him things as they are, and there are things that everyone on the inside knows. You journalists too. Certainly I didn't expect that Fanini, the next day, was going to tell what I had told him to journalists. I feel a little betrayed.
PZ: So, Fanini has made it public, not in the best way perhaps, but he hasn't made anything up.
PG: No, but I'll say it again, try to understand me. If my President asks me something about doping I give him one answer; but if a journalist asks me the same thing, well I'm sorry but I give him a different one.
PZ: Let's make it clear for one last time. When someone in the know, like you, says that a rider is going to "refuel", does that mean that he is going to eat a jam sandwich or that he is going to take illegal drugs.
PG: Look, everyone knows what it means. Anyhow, the rider is the least to blame in this whole situation; it's cycling that has made him do that. If you want to win the Giro, or at least try, you can't do it on bread and water. And if you want to win Roubaix, or at least try, you can't do it on bread and water. It's impossible to get through these races without ... how to put it: help. And anyway, why do I have to be the one who tell how to get on in the world in which we all live? Everyone has their own eyes, above all you journalists. And if you want to know, I believe that Fanini was wrong. First of all, saying those things harms the team because then everybody in the races you contend is against you. And then, he is wrong because by himself he can't do anything. I've told him this: Ivano, you have to convince the famous ex-riders, the Mosers and the Saronnis, who have children who ride bikes, to take the fight forward all together. Doing it by yourself is a lost cause.
PZ: In reality there aren;t many inclined to follow. On the contrary, to the world of cycling Fanini is a kind of plague victim
PG: I don't know how to say it. Fanini is right but he needs to understand that cycling has always been like this. A kid who wants to take to the road relying only on his strength can, if he goes well, arrive seventh or eighth. As long as he is brave.
PZ: With regard to your time, what has changed?
PG: Everything, I would say. That was a different sort of cycling. Moser and Saronni raced from February to October, from Laigueglia to Lombardia, and before the Giro d'Italia they raced the Giro di Romandie. There wasn't the time for so much mischief, even if everybody, me above all, was looking for help. Then perhaps you would notice something else. For example that the Giro was always fixed (?preparato?) so that Moser and Saronni would win. There were no opponents, there were no climbs, after two stages you would realise that half the group had been bought. As I said, it was different. Today I read that Armstrong wants to come back to win another Tour. Well he is the classic example of a rider who demonstrates what needs to be done today to win an important race: hide yourself away for six months to be the strongest of all on the day, or month, that counts. A season that lasts in total 3 weeks.
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The comment that really struck me
was … paraphrasing …. Ricco saying :
Everyone in Italy and Spain dopes … France less so … that is why their riders rarely win
by cyclingchallenge on Oct 6, 2008 3:27 PM EDT reply actions
finally getting around to this...
I saw the Fanini interview when it was posted – or at least, I read a re-posting of it. There’s some very credible stuff in there – there’s been plenty of talk over the years that the “big stars” have informants to tell them when the testing is coming, but it’s true that these things tend not to get mainstream coverage. The shunning of Capodacqua at the Giro is case in point. At times, Fanini undermines his own message, though, which is too bad by making some pretty sweeping statements – that, for example, the winnner of worlds will certainly be a doper.
I do think some of this is changing, but slowly. The “protection” of high level riders, for example, is eroding – when was the last time you really saw Bettini ride out of his mind? Cunego, for one, certainly looks human these days. And you do now have Italian riders who are more outspoken about trying to race clean. That’s new over the past two seasons or so. Of course, the Basso case gives plenty of reason for caution.
I think the press could do more in Italy to push these stories – but at the same time, I’d hate to see it turn into Germany, where doping gets center stage, or France, where very often a weary kind of cycnicism infects the proceedings.
Eh, whatever, I read it all anyway.
Thanks for posting that...
…, but now I gotta go take a shower.
Never, ever, work with a sprinter.
by Put 'Em in the Gutter on Oct 12, 2008 4:50 PM EDT reply actions
Everyone on PdC knows...
that Tyler Hamilton is the only “REAL” doper.
Sheesh.
Racing for Victory and Free Beer!
Fanini: “what will happen is what has happened for years in the Giro, the Vuelta and the Tour: a rider who dopes will win, otherwise he couldn’t do it, and he will beat a rider who dopes and another who dopes. And if the ‘treatments’ have been done in an ‘intelligent’ way then the anti-doping won’t be a problem.”
The problem with this, as noted by others, is that it is too sweeping. It is possible to win without doping. If you reduce the argument to the simplistic winner = doper, well you might as well either give up the fight against doping, or give up the sport.
Gavazzi: “the rider is the least to blame in this whole situation; it’s cycling that has made him do that. If you want to win the Giro, or at least try, you can’t do it on bread and water. And if you want to win Roubaix, or at least try, you can’t do it on bread and water. It’s impossible to get through these races without … how to put it: help.”
For sure, you probably can’t win on bread and water. But ever since Anquetil and Coppi used similar phrasings, bread and water is taken to mean legitimate energy sources. So, like the Fanini comment above, this is basically saying winning = doping. Which is too sweeping.
The bigger problem I have with it though is that it using this argument effectively plays into the hands of those who either support doping or would have this sport go soft on doping. The sport itself, they contend, requires the use of doping. It is not, they say, a question of personal choice on the part of the rider to dope or not to dope. I personally don’t believe this is true. Yes, doping creates an arms war of sorts. But it is not the severity of the sport that causes this. It is the weakness of the riders. And of the system which polices them.
Fanini: “the riders return to do what insiders call ‘refuelling’ (rifornimento), that is to take EPO far from indiscreet eyes. And the thing riders call ‘treatment.’ They all do that, the big names who need to win and the helpers who have to help them to win. The only precaution: to stop a few days before the race so as not to leave traces on the fateful day.”
Again, a sweeping an unsubstantiated comment. Also, one which seems to ignore the role of OOC testing. And, as with all of Fanini’s damn-them-all statements, one which ignores the role played by the Team Cleans and the UCI’s biological passport.
Fanini: “Youngsters generally get caught in the net, like Ricco and Sella. […] Such errors would not for sure be made by a Piepoli, the long shadow of Ricco.”
That’s an odd comment, when you look at the ages of those being caught. Last year, it was put forward that the only ones still doping were the older riders, the ones from the diry generation, cause by and large those caught were all of an age. The young riders coming up were held forth as Generation Clean. Now that some of them are being caught, Fanini tells us it is simply cause they;re too dumb to do dope as successfully as Piepoli.
Fanini; “no-one knows that also the previous year, at the Giro in ‘98, where he won triumphantly, Pantani should have been sent home. Instead in his place was dismissed Forconi, a helper. Who on the next day, since he was an ex-rider of mine who spent 6 years with me at Amore & Vita, came to find me in my office and told me everything. ’They changed the samples and sent me home. I was the only one at Mercatone to have low values’ he said.”
That story also appears in Matt Rendell’s Pantani book, doesn’t it? I would presume he also got it from Fanini. It’s an interesting story about then, but does it tell us anything about now?
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Gavazzi: “the Giro was always fixed (?preparato?) so that Moser and Saronni would win. There were no opponents, there were no climbs, after two stages you would realise that half the group had been bought. As I said, it was different.”
It’s an interesting claim, but is it serious? I mean, how fixed is fixed? 1987, Roche had to beat his own teammate, Visentini, and the tifosi in order to win. Italians wanted an Italian winner of the Italian race. That Italian riders might combine behind an Italian rider, should the right one be in contention … is that a surprise? Is it even a shock? It’s what, more than forty years already since the likes of Simpson and Anquetil wrote about these things. It’s the way the sport is. You buy and sell support. Buying and selling victories though is a little bit harder to achieve.
Fanini: “Disqualify for life any athlete found positive. And extend automatically the disqualification to the team manager, or sporting director, because no-one believes any longer in the little virgins betrayed by their pupils.”
I waiver on the life-time ban. A couple of years ago – hell, maybe even last year – it was what I felt was needed. That the only way to clean up the sport was to kick people out. I dunno this year though. This year I’m trying to be hopeful, and so thinking that as we’re making some progress, maybe we shouldn’t toss the baby out with the bathwater. And maybe letting convicted junkies like St David back into the peloton isn’t such a bad thing. His post-return form has been so shite he’s a perfect advertisement for what doping does to a rider. And what getting caught does.
It is time though that we started taking action against mangers and directeurs sportif. They’d been getting away with murder for too long. The issue is though, how do you prove anything against them? So we have to be practical – they have to agree to a change fo the rules whereby they will accept a ban if too many of their riders are caught. Do turkeys often vote for Christmas?
Fanini: “Do you want to know how many of my riders have died in recent years? Six. And three in the last three seasons: Galletti, Cox and Fois.”
The deaths. They just keep mounting up. And by and large the cycling media keeps ignoring them.
Ziliani: “But the TV commentators and their guests, when Ricco wins ‘Pantani-style’ lose themselves in paeans?”
This for me has long been one of the biggest problems of this sport. That it is reported by glorified cheerleaders, singing paeans of praise even when they know that what they’re seeing can be attributed to doping. Even yesterday, watching Paris Tours, the ES commentator chose euphemisms to explain Pettacchi’s absence. Why not just out and say it: he’s a convicted junkie and his team won’t pay to be part of the biological passport and the other teams didn’t want him in the race?
Fanini: “They [the cycling media] know everything but stay silent. And when the dirty business comes about they pretend to tear their clothes. The important words are ‘business & spectacle’; the rest doesn’t count. And the health of the riders matters less than ever. It’s a tragedy because many of these young men, when they undergo long disqualifications or cease to ride, pass from doping to cocaine or to other addictive drugs. Just as happened to Pantani, to Jimenez and to Fois, who unfortunately are no longer with us.”
In a way, I think this is one of the reasons I dislike so much books like Jeremy Whittle’s Bad Blood. They remind me so much of people like Robert McNamara, who can look at something like Vietnam, explain all the errors he made, and never once apologise. Even David Walsh, who talks of seeing Riis attacking Indurain on Hautacam in 1996 and knowing it was down to doping, could only be down to doping, admits that the report he filed refused to acknowledge this fact. Even Walsh refuses to apologise for having been little more than a glorified cheerlader for more than a decade. And at the same time he slams the American press for being nothing more than LA cheerleaders. It isn’t just the the likes of Conconi, Verbruggen and Leferve who have blood on their hands. Too many in the cycling media share responsibility for these deaths by talking too long only of the bread and circus side of the sport.
Gavazzi: “why do I have to be the one who tell how to get on in the world in which we all live? Everyone has their own eyes, above all you journalists.”
There’s none so blind as they that won’t see.
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fmk - thx for a comment/analysis
well worth reading
by cyclingchallenge on Oct 13, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s none so blind as they that won’t see.
Dunno, there’s also those who see what they want to see. Like the press guessing names and fans doctoring evidence just because a rider is from the wrong team/nationality. I’d say this hurt the sport just as much doping itself.
In Danish TV the usual two TdF commentators explained that they didn’t feel qualified to judge who is doped now and who was in the past.
They can have a bad taste in their mouths when cheering but their coverage is already coloured, it’s easier to see doping signs from a rider one doesn’t want to win.
If the commentators began to make accusations based on hunches mixed with the usual reporting on facts like previous results, then the public might pick up the accusations as facts.
I can only respect this view because when the investigative journalism can’t stay unbiased then how in the world should a commentator? The job of a commentator is to cheer and inform about previous results, not to fling mud.
Good point here, I think
About the distinction between investigative journalism and commentating on a bike race. I don’t think it’s fair to expect the commentators to be guessing who’s clean and who isn’t and saying well, that was a very nice ride, but he was certainly doped. It’s easy to see how this is a problem – look at any forum during or after a major race and you see the disagreements over what different people saw, a hero who rode briliantly, a doper who stole his result from the others. We all seem to know doping when we see it – we just seem to see it at different times in different riders. There’s nothing wrong with that among fans, but television commentators? That’s a problem. Me, I like to enjoy the races for what they are, and I’d prefer that the commentators did the same. I do think it’s lame and irresponsible to talk around past doping infractions – but speculating on future ones? No, they shouldn’t do that, I think.
I do think it’s lame and irresponsible to talk around past doping infractions – but speculating on future ones?
With TV commentators, that is what I would criticise them the most for, talking around even the recent past. I think that if I took my knowledge of cycling merely from watching races, I would believe it to be one of the cleanest and healthiest sports on the planet. Even current scandals rarely merit a mention.
With print commentators, I’m not even asking for speculation – just facts.
Maybe both sets should be given ra-ra skirts and pom-poms if all they are going to be is glorified cheerleaders.
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Depends on the broadcasters, I think
Sporza does a good job, in my view, of updating on current scandals in a low-key factual way.
RAI is hit and miss.
agreed commentators should not hide and ignore past doping infractions and should not blindly repeat team issued PR around
these infractions. However, they should not be guessing about doping but they are walking a fine line aren’t they? They talk up a rider’s amazing stage and then whammo. Tough.
Defamation actions perhaps?
As to why media commentators on such events don’t speculate publicly as to the cleanliness or otherwise of a rider’s performance.
I agree though that media commentators could be more direct when discussing known dopers.
So they can find euphemisms for not saying junkie when talking abou a convicted junkies but they can’t find euphemisms to suggest junkie when a performance deserves to be questioned?
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It's more than that, they are too often past of the Omerta
remember that Cassani actually made a point of publically apologising to Rasmussen when he inadvertently exposed him as not being in Mexico. And at this year’s Giro they spent broadcast a half hour long press conference with Petacchi, apart from the bit when the questionner’s microphone passed to Capodacqua, at which point the camera and sound magically cut out.
British Eurosport
Remain pretty mute – beyond endlessly praising Millar – on doping.
but what can they do with Sean Kelly sitting there?
by cyclingchallenge on Oct 16, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
but but but,
wasn’t Fanini one of them who wanted to hire Basso after his ban? Or before his ban?
I remember he praised Basso at one point, can’t remember when it was..
some heavy stuff here for sure, thanks Monty for the translation, really appreciated, but I too need a shower now……
I think the point about Fanini is that he will give anyone a second chance. You dope, you get caught, you get banned, you get an offer from Fanini. It’s practically a rite of passage.
Isn’t Amore e Vita the Vatican / Opus Dei team?
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What do you mean it's the
Vatican/Opus Dei team???
They race under the vatican colors?
Sounds like it
“Manzano is repentant, and like all repentants he should be helped,” explained Fanini in a Marca report. “Amore e Vita opens its doors to him immediately.” Specifically, Fanini’s invitation comes less than a week before the team’s annual blessing from Pope John Paul II. The Amore e Vita team flies the colours of the Vatican, and Fanini and the team proclaim themselves to be staunch opponents of doping in cycling.
Now if only Dan what’s-his-name had realised that Opus Dei had a cycling team, think how much more fun the Da Vince Code coulda been.
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What could he add?
They made their escape across the Channel on giant swan pedallos?
Basso Cops A Plea
Six month gaol sentence or a $10,800 fine. He took the fine.
Ivan Basso will pay a $15,000 fine under a plea bargain arrangement Tuesday to close a case that had regular judicial authorities investigating him for doping.
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