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Why so few admissions among active riders?

Though not more shocking than his TT victories, Schumi's (expected) denial made me shake my head a little. Why not come clean?  

As far as I can tell, only a handful of actives have ever done it. Jesus Manzano of Kelme/Fuentes fame appears to be the only one who whole heartedly spilled the entire can of beans. But that was after he got canned for balling a lady in the team hotel (allegedly). He was then exiled from the sport and called a kook 2 years before OP was busted wide open. But this can't be the reason no one spills these days with teams like Garmin/Columbia/Saxo around, can it?

Its 2 years minimum but I have yet to see a longer sentence handed down. Granted the start dates vary depending on appeal process, but no one had been booked for more (or less) than 24 months, right? Vino is excluded on a technicality for now.

For those that have admitted:

Millar - the I kept the vials from a year ago and only used them to win the worlds excuse? Yeah sure.

Basso, Schleck - I didn't inhale - yeah sure.

Everyone that admitted but had a TUE - bite me.

The long list of deniles:

the biggies - Floyd, Tyler, Roberto, Vino, Ulrich, Cash is King, Mayo - whatever.

the whole Pot Belge crew. VDB seems to be the only one with major issues out of that whole deal.

Even some retired guys are tight lipped (Mussuew, Jaja, Olano come to mind) 

Breaking the "code" is the only thing I can think of as to why no one spills. 

Until you see most of the guys admitting they did it and giving up the other playa's, a la ricco, you have to think that doping is still riffe in the peleton, no? That's stating the obvious, obviously.

Would like to hear some theories as to why so few fess up. 

 

 

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you have to think that doping is still riffe in the peleton, no

Conditions for doping, maybe. But not evidence of doping itself. And if you look at the way races work this year, last year, you’ll note changes. Which suggests at least a lot less doping going on.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Oct 7, 2008 5:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jaksche spilled

and then couldn’t get a job. That doesn’t really give incentive to active riders to open their mouths.

by majope on Oct 7, 2008 7:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jörg Jaksche spilled a year after protesting his innocence and only after he’d been fired from Tinkoff. Is his inability to get a ride in the pro peloton down to making enemies by naming names or more down to the fact that he made few friends even when he was junking and abiding by omerta?

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Oct 7, 2008 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't know.

And so far haven’t turned up anything Googling. If you have sources that say he was unpopular in the peloton when he was still racing, please post the links—I’m happy to learn more about it.

by majope on Oct 7, 2008 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Riis?

“Jörg was really hard to work with for the other riders.” CN

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Oct 9, 2008 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is after the fact (and after Jörg had pointed to Riis as dirty)

If you read the earlier reports on the RIis/Jaksche relationship you find that he was very keen to bring Jörg on-board at CSC. I’ve also read comments on how he helped Jaksche when they where teammates on Telekom (that last part comes from Jaksche though).

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Oct 10, 2008 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why so few admissions

Remember Armstrong’s wrath hurled at Simeoni?

by cyclingchallenge on Oct 7, 2008 11:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't know if there's much incentive

If you never test positive, why confess. People will obviously know, but if you are a Basso or DiLuca, you will be forgiven by the fans and swiftly annointed as saints. I can’t say that if I knew that would happen that I would confess either. That is if I were a pro cyclist.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Oct 7, 2008 5:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There have been more admissions lately

than the ones you’ve mentioned. Sella, Moreni, Jaksche, and Sinkiewitz all admitted to doping after they were caught. Museeuw has also confessed to doping at the end of his career.

I think the reason more riders don’t fess up once they’re caught is that it’s not clear that confession would be in their best interest. Millar and Basso have benefitted from confessing, in that their public contriteness has enabled them to ride again on big teams. But on the other hand, neither one of them got a reduction in their suspension for confessing (officially, anyway, leaving aside the creative accounting in Basso’s suspension). Ricco confessed and named names and still got a two-year suspension. I don’t see any teams knocking down Jaksche’s and Sinkiewitz’s doors to offer them contracts, but unrepententent walking pharmacy Tyler Hamilton is U.S. champion.

The sport and the anti-doping authorities have not given guilty riders much of an incentive to come clean.

by Tifosa on Oct 7, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm actually very happy for Tyler.

He did his time, and he came back and had a pretty good first year.

by Ryan_Liles on Oct 8, 2008 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only recently...

could the ADA’s reduce sanctions in return for information. CONI apparently wanted to reduce Basso’s sanction in return for the information he gave them, but the rules did not allow it. Current rules now do. Riccò did get some reduction – his combined sanction unreduced would have been 30 months rather than 24. Hairsplitting, but at least it’s something.

Tyler Hamilton, walking pharmacy, ha!

by gavia on Oct 7, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't Forget...

…Frankie Andreu, Jonathan Vaughters and Stephen Swart – all admitted to doping after they retired.

by Chief Commissaire on Oct 7, 2008 10:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

JV

has admitted to doping in about the same way that Dimmesdale admitted he was Pearl’s father: through easily misinterpreted ambiguous statements and gesttures . . .

by R Mc on Oct 8, 2008 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I missed riders as there were simply too many to recall but I think my point is being missed a bit.

Out of all of those riders mentioned above, only one, Moreni, admitted wrong doing and of premeditated doping immediately.

Sink only caved just before his B sample was due calling it off. Then 5 months later admitted to ’PO and blood doping.

I guess my point is this – those that are caught and acted humbled by it generally have gained empathy (i use that loosely) and been accepted back into the fold. Those who admitted after retiring also have that same empathy and weird acceptance. (vaughters, frankie)

But those who deny and those who admit but start calling out the sport as a whole, are the ones who seem to be looking from the outside in. This is the larger of the two camps for sure.

In fact it may be two camps. Those that deny are shunned by the fans and those that mouth off can’t get a gig. hmmmm.

by humbug1 on Oct 7, 2008 11:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wasn't done

Given this, my question still stands – why not admit it?

By doing so you help eradicate it. Its the first step in any addiction/affliction program.

Me thinks they don’t because it is still understood a good chunk are still juicing. Proof is in the pudding. Yes, testing is getting better, but there should not be more busts if the sport has cleaned up significantly.

by humbug1 on Oct 7, 2008 11:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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