Leipheimer Stands His Ground
CN is featuring an end-of-season interview with America's top stage racer (for now), Levi Leipheimer. [Part one/ part two] The author seems to conclude that Leipheimer is happy at Astana, notwithstanding the obvious questions about whether he could be a grand tour leader on another team, the agitated comments of his captain, and Lance Armstrong rearing his head over Astana airspace. Here's the money quote:
"As far as my position on the team goes, I think that over the last couple of years I have had to improve my own ability," he told Cyclingnews recently. "For example, with Basso coming and Alberto emerging as one of the greatest cyclists in history, I think that all made me improve. It made me the best that I can be and I think that ultimately that is the goal.
"With Lance coming back, I think it is going to continue like that. I have had my best two years amongst these riders, like Alberto and now Lance. I just try to look at the positive side like that."
Leipheimer himself makes the case for staying with Astana. He starts by pointing out that his results are better than ever, which is undeniable: podiums in the Tour and the Vuelta, an Olympic bronze medal in the time trial and dominant season in the chrono discipline generally, and another Tour of California victory in which he takes some pride. He's had a great run with Johan Bruyneel the last couple years, by far his best since the Vuelta third place that originally launched the top-end phase of his career. So would he move on?
He says now that he will stay with the team, but also suggests that he briefly considered changing. "Of course the idea came up because people were suggesting it," he answered. "But I wouldn't be happy anywhere else and I don't want to go to another team."
Where he says "I just try to look at the positive side," I interpret that (FWIW) as an admission that he's not in a perfect situation. Leipheimer is surely well aware of his place in the team and the world, and for whatever reason has decided it works. Could he win a grand tour on another team? In theory, yes, but here are two reasons for him to feel concerned enough not to want to try:
1. History, as in his own. He did two years at Gerolsteiner, where he was the team captain until anyone with a German name (e.g., Totschnig, Fothen) made a case for contention, at which point leadership became less clear. Worse still were his Rabobank years, where IIRC the team's varied objectives made Leipheimer's annual Tour run something of an afterthought. Levi likes to build his season toward the Tour, rather singlemindedly, then give it his best shot. No doubt his pre-Disco years were fraught with angst.
2. Prospects: who else is going to give Levi the shot he (arguably) deserves? Garmin might have before, but not anymore. Columbia seem more intent on building around younger riders. The big European teams haven't believed in him before, so he probably doesn't think (rightly) that he can expect them to now. Twice bitten, thrice shy. And smaller teams can't offer him the support he needs (see Evans, Cadel) to have any shot at winning.
Maybe he doesn't get free reign at Astana, but at least he knows they'll support the program he wants to do, even if he is plan B in July. It's been healthier and more lucrative for him than getting hung out to dry by another team. I've been all over the map on Levi's career choices, but here's where I think I'm landing: he's not living his dream, but considering the alternatives, this is as close as he can get.
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Good comments...
I’ve said it before – I think Levi made his peace with his career trajectory when he followed Bert and Johan to Astana. (I’ve always throught the Basso move was low on JB’s part but Levi went to Astana with his eyes fully open.) I give him credit for evaluating the options and making a good choice.
by cg. on Oct 7, 2008 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's cursed with being American
If he was from any other top nation in cycling he could could go to Johan and say: “make me captain in the Giro/Vuelta (his choice) and I’ll have a very strong chance to win that, then I’ll ride fenomenal support in the TdF”. He knows that winning the Tour might just be out of his reach by now but he’d stand an exellent chance to crown his career with a GT-win.
Unfortunately because he’s american, and America only cares about TdF-wins,that option is not open to him.
Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets
by Jens on Oct 7, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If he can’t beat Contador as a teammate, how can he beat him from a different team?
pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway
by fmk on Oct 7, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In theory
those statements have little to do with each other. He was 46" behind Bert for the Vuelta, supposedly after working for him. All other things being equal, he can beat him. Through the chronos, specifically. Would he? That’s another question. I suspect Contador would try to thrash him on the key mountain stage.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on Oct 7, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not talking about another team
It seems pretty clear in the story that he’s comfortable where he is. But if the other GT’s carried any weight with the (maintream) american fans he could pick one of those to aim for with Johan letting him ride it as undisputed captain with a decent team while AC and LA focus on the Tour.
Apart from that I agree with Chris, AC is super-strong but he doesn’t have that invincible quality to him. He may get there in time but he still looks touchable.
Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets
by Jens on Oct 7, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vuelta
that has to be a target for Levi. Unfortunately, Contador is Spanish, so he may not be able to resist even after polishing off the Tour. But maybe he can say he’ll work for Levi as payback, at least if the parcours is more chrono-heavy.
I don’t think Levi will aim for the Giro. Dunno, he just didn’t seem too enthusiastic about it. Of course, maybe the giro could aim for fewer transfers than stages next time.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on Oct 7, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Tour goes for the rumored Hopscotch-route no one will even notice 5-6 transfers in the Giro.
Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets
by Jens on Oct 7, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Contador
resisted the Vuelta just fine after he won the TDF. If he’s allowed in the TDF, I think he’ll revert to not caring about the other GT’s.
by Katiek on Oct 7, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep.
Bert already said le Tour is his only goal next year (assuming he get’s to ride it), no other GT’s, so Levi might very well go after the Vuelta next year..
by Bruce Suomi on Oct 7, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great article
but I can’t say that “twice bitten” can be applied to Levi’s experiences w/ Rabo or Gerol. Both teams allowed him to focus 100% on a single race. Both teams made him their captain when he was healthy. He got the chance to compete and did his best with those opportunities.
He now understands that Johan is his master because no one else really puts such an exclusive focus on the grand tours. Riding without the exclusive support of an entire team, Levi is a top 10 stage racer. Riding for a GC focused team, he’s a threat to win. Currently Astana is really the only GC focused team. Levi is a natural fit for them, but they also are a magnet for other top GC riders, so inter-team competition is the price to be paid for that degree of specialization. Levi seems to be a smart dude who has done the math and realizes where his bread is buttered.
Also, Levi never would be where he is today if he hadn’t left Postal. I don’t think he’d have the chance to prove what he’s worth there. Now that he’s made his case, Johan’s team is where he belongs.
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by Koppenberg on Oct 7, 2008 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hazy memory
Levi always seemed a little miffed at his standing with the team, back in his Gerol or Rabo days. I dunno if I could untangle these old relationships; whether the team didn’t back him or whether they were more justifiably concerned about his chances or health. But I do distinctly recall Totschnig being called a co-captain at Gerol.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on Oct 7, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course he got screwed over at Rabo
but in their defence he looked frail at times and didn’t really warrant the 100% confidence. He’s another rider today, I think. Physically and mentally.
Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets
by Jens on Oct 7, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
if he struggles with confidence a bit. God help me, I have no business pretending to know what’s inside his head. But the second-banana thriving, the problems in the top role… perhaps he’s just a normal person within the normal range of insecurities.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on Oct 7, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
remind me how he got screwed,
I just remember that he was paid for an entire season to just compete in one race. When that race came around, Levi was free from all responsibilities other than to compete the GC.
Sure he didn’t have any support, but support wasn’t part of the bargain. Cadel has a similar deal w/ Lotto these days.
I’m a fan of Levi, but I don’t think its fair to say he didn’t get his chances w/ either Rabo or Gerol. They paid him huge buckets of money to race the TdF on his own. He’s just not the kind of rider who can compete without support. Precious few are. Sure the Rabo guys didn’t help him on the mountains, but he didn’t help them on the Muurs either. His deal w/ the euro squads was lots of money and no support. Turns out, he couldn’t close with that, but he did prove that he is a worthy captain and moved on to the next phase of his career.
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by Koppenberg on Oct 7, 2008 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well in a way I mean everyone gets screwed at Rabo
I just don’t have a high opinion on the support and teamwork on that team. But I will also argue that if you sign on as a GT rider on a team that isn’t going to supply a few supportriders in the Tour, you are by definition getting screwed. I don’t think Levi signed on to ride alone, coming from USPS he knew the importance of backup.
But mostly I think he ,like many others, suffered from the Rabo tradition of saying before the race “we believe 100% that x can win the Tour” only to change it to “we’re disappointed, he’s clearly underachieving and not up to the task” once x loses 20 seconds on the first mountainstage or TT.
Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets
by Jens on Oct 8, 2008 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bravo Levi
Good analysis.
The interview makes Levi sound like a normal human being. No wonder he’ll never win the Tour :)
by samboo on Oct 7, 2008 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Levi is a stud
Look – only one guy can win any grand Tour.
And his last couple of years have been huge regardless of not winning a grand Tour. What is wrong with being content at being hugely successful and very well paid?
I also like the bizarre scenario as follows:
1. Contador leaves Astana
2. Levi leads the support of Lance
3. Lance cracks
4. Levi wins Tour surrounded by a superior Astana support team
A longshot yes …. but possibly levi’s best shot
by cyclingchallenge on Oct 7, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice post Chris. Thank you for the positive analysis on Levi's career choices
instead of the old “He’s not aggressive enough, he’s short and bald and his wife is Odessa Gunn.” opinion I hear from many people. Even though we like to think we can read riders’ minds and know why they do what they do, we can’t.
Look at all of the U.S. riders who never make it to the pros and never finish in the top 20 in a GT. He did it. He is living that dream that so many riders dream about.
Levi is also an excellent role model for the young riders. He works hard. He is a activist for the prevention of cruelty to animals. You don’t read about him getting DUI’s, testing positive for anything, throwing tantrums or dating 15 year olds. He’s a good guy who is one of the top cyclists in the world. He is riding his bike and making a lucrative career out of it.
He isn’t flashy but he’s solid. I’ll take that over the bad boys who give the sport a black eye on a regular basis.
I suppose it takes both kinds to make cycling the great sport it is. The bad boys have their place but it doesn’t diminish the value of the hard working guys like Levi and George.
by ZoeRochelle on Oct 7, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
yeah that’s what I meant but said far less eloquently
by cyclingchallenge on Oct 7, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's also
notoriously shy and close-lipped around the media… as is his right, but acting that way leaves fans feeling like you don’t want to talk to them. He hasn’t made people warm up to him. And he’s often left potential fans wondering why he’s chosen non-leadership roles. The latter, I think he’s answering. The former: that’s his personality and his right. But if people react by not liking him, it’s neither surprising nor inherently wrong.
Shorter me: he seems OK, I guess, and I can appreciate why he does what he does, even if I’m not feeling overly fan-ish.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on Oct 7, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice post
You’re right about Levi. The thing about riders with panache, they generally aren’t very respectable people in so many ways. Many are control freaks, some have something they’re trying to make up for, and many of those riders with panache wind up positive for a drug or face down in their hotel room from an overdose. Levi has made peace with what he does and because of that, he’s winning on a pretty regular basis the last couple of years. Excuse me, I meant crushing, not just winning.
If I just had one more gear, I...
by SpunOut on Oct 7, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok second quiz,,
He is coming back. Vuelta, Doping and love will do the trick.. Who is or 5th(?!) come backer?
Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.
by Frinking on Oct 7, 2008 6:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's probably also his 5th come back
Vandenbroeck is trying to come back. He dit it last year. Quit because he couldn’tt handle the pressure. Now he (thinks) is fully prepared to try it one more time.
Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.
by Frinking on Oct 8, 2008 5:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And another off topic thing.
Wesemann also retires. The only German I could appreciate. Not always in the picture but most of the time there. Beautifull cyclist.
Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.
by Frinking on Oct 7, 2008 6:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wesemann
won a lovely Ronde. Says enough…
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on Oct 7, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't this the one where
Hoste decided second place is good enough for the first time.
by australopithecine on Oct 7, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I remember
is two Belgians neutralizing each other while the German won the race.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on Oct 8, 2008 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose I'm finally ready to cut Levi some slack.
I was a very outspoken critic of his move to Astana, and felt he should have been outright leader elsewhere. In retrospect, the very reason he has done so well in his last few GTs is largely due to his second fiddle status. For some guys the pressure of team leadership just does strange things to their psyche, and Levi is the most obvious example.
I’m still not a fan. He get lots of accolades for his ’07 Tour performance, but in my book he should have won that race. Obviously, Levi has a different view, and is content with climbing the lower steps of the podium.
by The Team Chef on Oct 7, 2008 7:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In that case
perhaps Tommy D should join Astana as well :-P
by Hons on Oct 7, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All things considered, 2nd place in 2 GTs is more than all but a very few cyclists will ever see
and he still has time barring injury to add to that.
by ZoeRochelle on Oct 7, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Levi, not Tommy D!
Stupid reply threads screw everything up.
by ZoeRochelle on Oct 7, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed,
but the reason I’m not a fan is that Levi should be winning, not placing 2nd or 3rd. I don’t agree with those who would say Levi can’t win the Tour. Levi can, and should already have won, The Big Dance. He has the talent. When he is at the peak of fitness, as he was at this year’s Vuelta, he is really one of the best GT riders in the peloton, Contador included. Ultimately, at least for me, it amounts to unrealized potential, and it’s hard for me to root for that. It’s the same reason I was never an Ullrich fan.
by The Team Chef on Oct 7, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the CN and VN stories are very similar in their flow and timing of questions
Seems to me this interview was done jointly or even as a press conference. If so, is it right for the authors to spin it like they have an exclusive the way both of them did?
by humbug1 on Oct 8, 2008 12:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow, really?
that is lame, if you’re right. lol, this is when we need a cn writer lurking about to set us straight ;-)
by gavia on Oct 8, 2008 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not the first time, won't be the last...
look at the live reports from both of them and you’ll also see similarities…
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Oct 8, 2008 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But isn't that
because they have a direct line in to race radio and the commissars’ cars, while we plebs have to make do with dodgy TV captions, blurry numbers and out of date start lists.
by Monty. on Oct 9, 2008 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if only a cn writer was lurking, anyone, anyone, bueller?
by lyne on Oct 9, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but we would never troll, now would we? ;-)
it appears we are not blessed with the presence.
by gavia on Oct 9, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to point out the obvious . . . .
. . . . just turned 34 years old and statistically is coming to the end of his potential ability to improve.
Conversely, Contador will turn 26 in December and so he still has a significant amount of potential to improve.
These are the cold hard facts people.
Could he win a GT? Maybe.
What if he goes to another team as their captain and gets second, or if something happens and he doesn’t even make the podium? That surly team will toss him for some young kid who climbs like a goat.
What may happen if he stays at Astana?
Oh, and this is purl speculation but I would foresee a position in DS, or some other managerial position at the end of his career.
Now remember, Levi is typically a conservative racer.
So, do you take a stable potentially long term career move, or do you risk it all by going to some other team and hope the GT roulette wheel comes up on your number?
Think about it .
by Ryan_Liles on Oct 8, 2008 1:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
IMO, Levi's best chance to win a GT is with
this team.
Is it the Giro, Tour or Vuelta, doesn’t matter, he will have a team to back him up, something he never had before.
Don’t see any reason why Levi should change teams…
by Bruce Suomi on Oct 9, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
but the the giro has too many vicious sharp climbs he admits he does not do well on. He will be third in line on his own team at the tour.
The vuelta – with the exception of this years Angry Lou – has climbs more suited to his style. And without contador he should be the fave – BUT you have to think the Olympics took something out of the tour guys in Vuelta this year.
He will have to change his focus and either not do the tour or regulate himself to helper monkey – something he didn’t show too much of in the Giro before he got dropped and the Vuelta, as we all know.
by humbug1 on Oct 10, 2008 1:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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