Lance Armstrong Comeback: Tour Down Under
The UCI has decided to approve Armstrong's request to ride the Tour Down Under in January. The race runs between 20 and 25 January and marks the first event of the UCI's pro tour calender.
UCI rules require that a retired rider who wishes to return to competition submit to doping controls for six months before he lines up for his first race. The UCI has decided to waive the rule, passed in 2004, in Armstrong's case. According to the press release, the existing rule reflects an out-dated view of anti-doping practices. The UCI claims that its new monitoring programs make the six month wait unnecessary. Rather than applying the rule strictly, the UCI argues that they can achieve the same, if not a better, result by carrying out the biological passport program thoroughly. Pierre Bordry of the AFLD might disagree. Bordry has questioned the UCI's screening process in light of the abnormal blood levels detected in some samples from the Tour de France.
In any case, the UCI assures us that Armstrong will be closely monitored and it sees no need to conform to the out-dated rulebook. The Tour Down Under organizers will no doubt be thrilled with the decision.
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Everybody know Lance is only in Australie
for his promotion. He is not going to hurt anyone
Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.
Equality
If the rule isn’t applied to anyone else, why should it be applied to LA?
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by fmk on Oct 9, 2008 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I said MILDLY disappointed :)
To me it isn’t about Lance at all, my problem is in the UCI not being anal enough and there by undermining their own rules(whereabouts, when are teams responsible for doping,..).
The whole “anti doping control has become a lot better” excuse doesn’t make this any better, because as we all know it was the ASO which had to swing the hammer for the UCI to take responsibility.
And the critics still claim that the UCI sit on a mountain of positive test which they are too afraid to take to court(perhaps some of those the French caught).
I know that you with good reason have little faith in the UCI’s Biological Passport with the 15day health suspension based on guesstimates. Because for it to have any effect they’ll need to be very strict on vague sample values and excuses.
There’s must be no room for speculations about favouritism or the system being lenient.
Now saying the 6month rule is of less importance due to the Biological Passport makes no sense. It has taken a long time for them to profile the riders and the passport still isn’t working, so how can they possibly cut down the quarantine which will be used for profiling?
In short, I want the UCI to become a bunch of French bastards.
And I support Armstrong’s cause even though his charity may be fueled(sp?) by political ambitions.
Didn't Mario Cipollini
already get a similar exemption
“It’s not a mandatory part of the anti-doping code. It’s a discretionary rule and a very difficult one to apply because often we don’t know when riders have decided to retire, or when they are coming back.”
There is a recent precedent. Mario Cipollini, the Italian, returned at the Tour of California this year for Rock Racing without giving six months’ notice. As Armstrong said: "We’re not asking for any exception, but they don’t always apply this rule
by cyclingchallenge on Oct 8, 2008 1:15 PM EDT reply actions
Good grief
You people are amazing. It’s 10 days for God’s sake, and the UCI “clearly” stated that the rule was obsolete. I suspect if you were in the same boat your biased, narrow-minded opinions would certainly change.
Get over it, he won 7 Tours and “never” failed a drug test…..period. Take your archaic witch hunts elsewhere.
That's a rather odd way to introdune oneselve
But how can the 6months rule be outdated now where the biological passport has been introduced?
I got nothing against Armstrong’s cause but the system needs to be tough and equal on all riders, no matter how big or small they may be. We can’t have a UCI chairman doing favours which may buy votes for the next coming election.
I've read it
And the biological passport excuse makes no sense, if any the introduction should prolong the monitoring time.
Plus the so called better testing has only been seen in TdF.
I agree with the ruling
but I think you’re being a little harsh…
The rule is there and, yes, there was a exception for Cippo and, yes, I would have been sadly disappointed if they hadn’t waived it in this case, but we’re all entitled to our opinions – particularly when I think the comment here relates more to a reflection on rule enforcement than as an insult to Lance. Just my 2 cents.
BTW, welcome. We’re nice.
by cg. on Oct 8, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
And maybe
you’re the only website that would EVER HAVE MEEEEEEE!!!!
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 8, 2008 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, geez
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
1 Day and already stirring the pot?
You will learn like I did my friend, people will respect what you say if you don’t come off like you just did.
If I just had one more gear, I...
Im not looking for respect. Im looking for intelligent people on here. So far all I find is self imposed ignorance and a bunch of cry babies that have little clue as to the difficulties of being a pro cyclist. I raced professionally in the 80’s and early 90’s and can assure you that few here have any idea what it takes to dedicate their lives to something as tough as cycling. They wear their ignorance proudly.
Dod you really expect people to listen to you with that attitude?
You are doing exactly what you are accusing everyone else of doing, please calm down and actually read what people have posted before accusing them.
I personally became a member of this board because the regulars here do not run around with doping accusations and blind hatred. Please do not ruin the atmosphere with your outburst.
So, if you lurked for awhile and feel this way
Why not go somewhere else instead of wasting your time here? Seems pretty simple.
If I just had one more gear, I...
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I don’t post very often, but you really got my goat on this one. Don’t diss our beloved PC!
Once again, I love the good natured banter and self-deprecating wit here. No testosterone-laden, I-ride-more-than-you chest beating or flaming.
“…self imposed ignorance and a bunch of cry babies”. Ouch. You’ve proved your own point – your intelligent opinions and attitude may be better of at another forum.
Gee
I’m sorry we fans can’t understand exactly what the experience of pro racing is like. If only people who’ve been racers before should be allowed to interact with the sport… explain to me how you guys plan to get your salaries paid again?
I refuse to apologize for knowing less than 100% of what goes on. We’re fans with jobs and lives outside the sport. I’m pretty sure the sport wants us around, even if we don’t know every last secret whispered in the peloton.
Beyond that, though, your smug “I logged more miles than you” is a pretty arrogant and un-called-for way to attack a community made up almost exclusively of people who have a strong appreciation for what the sport requires. Do you exist in the general public at all? Because respect for cycling only goes downhill from here.
That said, we all like to hear from racers and ex-racers when they aren’t taunting us for not being exactly like them, so if you can get past the differences between our lives and yours, your comments will be welcomed.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 8, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
uh, dude
I don’t know if you paid attention at all during the tour, but there’s folks on this here inter-tubes site-thingy who, like, know, like f;’reals, that Christian VandeVelde dude . . .
Most of the people here have a pretty darned good idea of the dedication it takes (and I know guys now who are living the 12k dream just hoping for that call up . . .).
Let me ask you, would you show up to group ride with that attitude?
We oughta take up a collection for spaghetti money for the guys who are at the 12K stage, and NOT doping.
Anyone here got an idea how to do that?
Like f'reals. :-)
Let’s hope the inspirations some give help to continue changing the sport for the better.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
wooohooo! flame war!
[gav unfolds beach chair, sits down, props up feet]
Pass the marshmallows over here, would ya?
Hey…. Wait a minute. Who ate all the chocolate? Some friends you all are. Humph.
I have chocolate!
I always have chocolate! Just a fan girl with chocolate….. mmmmmm. Happy to share. :)
by cg. on Oct 8, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
my chili will get rid of that cold for you right quick
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
well, there's always my turkey rice veggie soup...
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
it's nutritious and warms your innards...
but as to curing colds, i couldn’t say, cause when i have a cold i reach for my chili (burn out those cold germs)
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just feel better soon
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
You're not going to tell me that you don't have 'jacket potatoes' in the US?!
I suppose you call them ‘baked potatoes’ or something…
Well yes... we call them baked potatos
I mean… they are baked, after all. Why call them "Jacket"ed? Is the jacket a Full Metal Jacket?
This is my Tater…
This is my Gun!
This is for Eatin…
This is for fun!
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Isn’t the jacket spud sorta redundant with modern spuds you don’t even have to peel? Them thin-skinned new spud thingeys.
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What sort of potato do you use for making a "Jacket potato"?
I know that russet potatoes, the typical American “baking potato”, are not to be found in Germany… more of the yukon gold variety… thin yellowish skin, small eyes…
… smell like cabbage… small hands…
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I like carnies.......
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Perhaps...
Albertina was referring to the King of the Potato People
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I have never watched this programme known as "Red Dwarf" in my life.
I am clearly impoverished as a result.
You live in the country!!!!
You get “The Office”, “Red Dwarf”, “Coupling”, “Top Gear”, “Extras”, “Rome”, “Doctor Who”, “Cracker”, “Blackadder” all free of charge… how can you not be glued to your television at all times??!?! For shame Albertina… for shame.
And you still haven’t answered the question as to what potato, precisely, is used for a Jacket Potato.
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Was "Rome" actually any good? I rather lost interest...
The jacket potato…well, any largish potato as far as I’m concerned but the wonderful Wikipedia (God bless it and all who sail in it) recommends the King Edward:

or the russet:

Your facts for the day
Rome was one of the finest things ever...
… committed to television. As was Deadwood, although we Yanks have only ourselves and the byzantine world of television deals to blame for either being off the air.
Sooo… where’s the jacket then? Or is the jacket the fact that it comes out of the oven wearing it’s own skin?
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Well yes, it does wear its own skin!
Said skin becomes nice and crispy and the inside all yummy and fluffy. I think St Delia can explain this better than I:
http://www.deliaonline.com/recipes/jacket-potatoes,1151,RC.html
But Rome was a HBO co-pro wasn’t it? And I thought Deadwood was all American. Save for Lovejoy.
On the rest of your list – I hate The Office and Extras. AND Top Gear.
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by fmk on Oct 9, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Normally, I would post an elegant reply...
… but I seem to have run out of room over here…
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It’s impossible to be elegant about Lovejoy.
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Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway
by fmk on Oct 9, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
There is deep philosophy...
… in the words uttered by Al Swearengen.
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No crap...
Chris! We need to get a contractor in here to knock down the east wall… maybe add a wing while they’re at it. Is Bob Villa available, and how good is he in a field sprint?
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"Lv s wht sprts s frm nmls"
“N, Lstr. Wht sprts s frm nimls s tht w dn’t s r tngs t cln r wn gntls.”
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hmmm, the king edward reminds me of red bliss potatoes
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
You do realise
that those programmes were carefully buried in 20 years worth of pure dross.
Yes... but even the dross...
… sounds better because of the accent to our colonial ears.
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you mean wrap your potato with tin foil? then it's not a baked potato. it's steamed.
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
tho, i myself prefer steamed potatoes...
baked are just too dry…. of course twice baked potatoes are good… and loaded potato skins
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Oh I don't know!
Not good at terminology when it comes to cooking….I like eating but I hate cooking.
that's okay, a lot of people get it wrong
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
i have a refrigerator just dedicated to chocolate
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
I have an ALDI just over the road from me. It's virtually my personal store.
Their white chocolate is to die for…mmmmm :-)
you do know there's no such thing as white chocolate, right?
at least, not in the states
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
chocolate apartheid? no whites allowed?
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by fmk on Oct 9, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
we’ll send you some milky bars.
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by fmk on Oct 9, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Pure, unsweetened chocolate contains primarily cocoa solids and cocoa butter in varying proportions. Much of the chocolate consumed today is in the form of sweet chocolate, combining chocolate with sugar. Milk chocolate is sweet chocolate that additionally contains milk powder or condensed milk. “White chocolate” contains cocoa butter, sugar, and milk but no cocoa solids (and thus does not qualify to be considered true chocolate).
thus, not recognized by the USDA (and others) as not chocolate
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
chocolitists.
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by fmk on Oct 9, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
"You're an anti-chocolite, you're a raaaabid anti-chocolite!"
Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets
i never said i didn't like "white chocolate"....
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
You deny it its right to be part of the family of chocholate. You chocolatist you.
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by fmk on Oct 9, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
that's my girl
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Well what on earth do you call it then?!
Sweet White Sugary Stuff? White Stuff Devoid of Cocoa Solids? Sugar ‘n’ Milk Stuff?
Chris – there really needs to be a rule against such inflamatory and insulting chocolatist comments. I’m all for free speech and all that but there’s a line that needs to be drawn.
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by fmk on Oct 9, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll take it one step further...
… there really are only a handful of chocolates that should be consumed…
1. Ritter Sport – mit Hazelnusse
2. Ritter Sport – zart bitter mit Marzipan
3. Milka – Alpenmilch
4. Ghiradelli – 60% Dark Chocolate (although should be consumed with a Trapiche Syrah and I just finished my last bottle 4 months ago.)
5. Hersheys – Milk Chocolate … but only in brick form and mashed between either graham cracker and melty, oozy marshmallow or mashed between a pretzel and a wad of peanut butter.
6. Nestle – Semi Sweet Morsels – if you use anything else for your chocolate chip cookies… I… I simply can’t associate with you. (Europeans are excluded if you can’t get these at your local Disco / Tesco / Carrefour / Aldi / Norma)
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tollhouse cookies rule !!!!!
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Best recipe for Chocolate Chip Cookies...
… is under the lid of Quaker Oats containers. If you like oatmeal chocolate chip… oh dear god… good, and good for you!
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All this chocolate talk is making me consider raiding the larder.
Enough! I’m going to bed. Night all.
hope you feel better in the am..
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
nah, you add oatmeal to the tollhouse cookie recipe
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
ritter and milka
pretty much totally rule the planet.
i like milk with almonds or dark with almonds perugina, though.
and those little round dutch things – droste. yum.
Port... sweet merciful Lyne...
yesssss…
I really need to stop coming to the Cafe when I’m hungry.
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This
is truly irresponsible. We have about 14 different small chocolate companies in Seattle, all of whom put Hersheys to shame. Stop by Metropolitan Market’s chocolate bar section next time you’re in town. We do it local, yo.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 10, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
not too keen on s'mores... not too keen on marshmallows..
unless it’s marshmallow fluff, which is only good for fluffanutter sandwiches
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
i'm a huge fan of harry london's...
yes, i know, it’s in ohio…
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Brown & Haleys
That being said, my hometown chocolate company isn’t quite up to Chris’ standard. Must be the aroma…
dilettante went national about a decade back.
Good chocolate. Don’t like the coating on the fruits, though.
Oh no, the bunnies are just bog standard commercial chocolate.
The creamy white stuff is a whole different kettle of fish (whatever that phrase actually means…)
It's an interesting flavour
but you’ll probably have trouble finding it: it seems to have been a once off which was just never popular enough. Odd, isn’t it.
my family sold cocoa
to cook chocolate and various other folks (I have a lamp in my office with a cocoa bean encased in a 25 pound block of lucite—freaks my students out, but I digress) . . .
and we always made fun of “white chocolate”
Give me the 80 to 90% stuff, thank you very much
The sad thing is
as far as cocoa content goes, white chocolate is the lowest quality chocolate there is, if i remember correctly. It is yummy though.
Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets
how come you're getting off so lightly in this debate?
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Oh sweet Jebus! That is the best thing you ever tasted
I may have to send a boxload to the PdC testlabs for intense scrutiny. Milkchocolate with a caramel filling.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ….Plopp
Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets
No meaning, just onomatopoetic
plus there was a tradition of that kind of short, funny to say, names for candy. Plopp, Japp (=Mars-bar), Dajm and so on……
Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets
are you feeling better today?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
I feel fine but I just can't stop coughing. Very annoying!
I am currently enjoying today’s JACKET potato, smothered in Bolognaise sauce ;-)
is this the first time for a persistent cough? is it more bothered by the weather?
try just sipping water all day…
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Colds always seem to attack my throat more than anything else.
Thankfully I don’t have to sing this weekend…..
This is one of the reasons I love the Cafe...
A rampant and blatant personal attack on all of us devolves rapidly into six year olds begging for virtual smores. The only thing missing is the de rigeur Lebowski quote and I feel we will have exorcised the demons.
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Well, I'm just tee'ing it up...
… now I stand back and wait for Drew or Wells’ie to apply the three wood …
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That was exceptionally well played...
and perhaps the first Paul McCartney quote I’ve seen on the board yet.
By the way… did you know he was in a band before Wings‽‽‽‽
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You're over your fucking head Dan!
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."
What are you gonna do with that, Dude?
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."
What do you mean brought it bowling, Dude?
I didn’t rent it shoes. I’m not buying it a fucking beer. He’s not taking your fucking turn, Dude.
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And what is all that s&^# about s'mores?
What the F—-, has anything got to do with s’mores? What the f—-are you talking about?
Nothing is fucked here, Dude.
Come on, you’re being very un-Duuuude
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Her life was in our hands, man!
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Apparently money bends rules
I guess we should have expected this.
If I just had one more gear, I...
How much did Cippo pay to have the rule bent? Did Malcolm Elliott pay to have the rule bent? Did Raúl Alcalá pay to have the rule bent? Has any unretiring rider ever had to pay to have the rule bent? Is this a rule you have to pay to have waived, or is it a rule that is more honoured in the breach than in the observance?
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by fmk on Oct 9, 2008 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to TDU, but pissed with organisers
4 days after nnouncing that Lance was coming to TDU, the organisers sent out emails to people that had already bought stage passes, and told them that the VIP stage access to the public at the start of the stages was no longer available. There reason was security, what a load of sh$%… I sent en email back saying if the TdF, Vuelta and Giro can offer VIP access then i couldn’t see why the TDU couldn’t.. and that it was all because Lance was now participating…. I received email back apologising but decision was made, can you belive that, no VIP access in Adelaide but every Major cycling event around the world could do it… I’m pissed, but I’m sure i will get access somehow..hehehe
The offered a full refund.... But
They offered a full refund, but this would mean you wouldn’t get the stage transfers to the start and finsh of the race which wasn’t what i wanted, as i still want to attend… There was no offer of a part refund, which is what i replied back to them in the email..
BUt hey the decision is made, and i’m sure i will still have good time… Hey i’m staying in same hotel so -
Yes Nikki there will be photos a plenty. trust me…. I’ve got this all down pat now… and i’m hoping i might be able to get some VIP passes from a few friends i know… Fingers are crossed…..
Isn't that basically what Tifosa was predicting in the "Lance in the Giro" thread?
That because of the attendant entourage and security for His Excellency, that fan access to the racers was going to get stubbed out like a drunk’s cigarette?
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That pretty much bites.
But…. still happy you’ll be there for pics and a write up!!!
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
2009
will be positively riveting.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 8, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok then
let me try this: Ballan vs Boonen vs Devolder vs Hincapie vs Pozzatto and several others at de Ronde. Every time I think I can’t wait for the season to end, for the mental break I pretty sorely need, I think of April and decide it’d be OK with me to just fast-forward to Flanders.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 8, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
good point, let's just say that my interest will pretty much solely lie on Classics and other one day races
a milky way with nuts...
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You mean a milky way with a "nut" right?
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
sometimes you don't...
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mounds don't...
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Where were we before we got so rudely interrupted... oh yeah
I think it’s a bad PR move on Lance Armstrong’s part to have pushed for a bend in the rule. Does it change much in the scheme of things, as far as doping and testing, probably not, but it adds fuel to the fire of the claims that he gets and had been getting special um privileges from the UCI.
Maybe
Though it’s a pretty minor change, and all will be forgotten when he takes the startline. I guess another question is, what effect does it have on the peloton? If the riders and other teams think Lance gets to operate under a different set of rules… that won’t be especially pleasant. Then still, the UCI is thinking of the zillions of extra eyeballs on the TdU and probably not overly concerned with any hurt feelings.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 8, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
the change is minor but I don't think it will be forgiven quickly and it's also a bad PR move on the UCI's part
it raises all the questions again about the relationship between the UCI and Armstrong. Ugly questions.
I hear you
but I think the decision was rational on its face. If there’s something wrong with the relationship btw Lance and the UCI, then that’s its own issue, but I wouldn’t make the TdU suffer as a result.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 8, 2008 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
adding
next time a lesser-known rider asks for this exemption, they’d damn well better grant it.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 8, 2008 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
you may be right but it seems to me that denying the exemption would have been a petty anti-Lance decision …. especially given that Cippo exemption previously
by cyclingchallenge on Oct 8, 2008 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
by "you may be right"
I mean those that disagree with the exemption
by cyclingchallenge on Oct 8, 2008 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Sort of agreed
For pretty much any other retired rider coming back it would be silly to get too worked up over a few days. The problem is that in the past Lance’s relationship with the UCI seemed to be closer than it should have been. That closeness looks suspicious, whether or not anything untoward was going on. I would just like to see a few signs now from the UCO that they really are indepedent. Like his latest hottie complaining that she had to walk home from school alone because the vampires suddenly turned up.
Although another part of me thinks that the sport should try to get people interested in another generation of stars.I do hope that the future of cycling won’t be of digging up Padre Lance evevry few years, sticking a wax mask on his face, a stake up his arse , balancing him on his bike and giving him a big push towards the finish line.
A fair point.
But before you can get interested in a new generation of stars, you have to actually beat the old generation. To quote Rick Flair, “To be the man, you’ve got to BEAT the man. Wooooo!”
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Go Titans!
He's not a wizard silly!
Only real men can pull off a blue feathered and sequined robe… well, real men and Charo.
Speaking of Charo… she’s from Murcia apparently.
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Well I stand completely corrected...
Ice dancers and 70’s McCartney… that’s gotta be some sort of record Katie.
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By the way...
… that’s a great avatar you have of Jens! leading Sastre over the Alps…
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digging up Padre Lance evevry few years, sticking a wax mask on his face, a stake up his arse , balancing him on his bike and giving him a big push towards the finish line.
I’d pay to watch that. Especially the stick up the arse bit.
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by fmk on Oct 9, 2008 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
Also, I think the rationale was lame. If they wanted to let him ride, they should have just said, we’re letting him ride. They could have been honest and said hey, we’re honoring the desire of a race organizer to have him present, and so we’ve decided to allow him to race two weeks early. I’d have been more willing to support the decision if it were presented in those terms, actually.
All the hand-waving about the doping controls and how the blood passport makes the rule unnecessary and blah blah. Oh. My. So silly. They just look foolish and lacking in credibility.
Did I read LA's comment incorrectly above
or was it taken out of context?
As Armstrong said: "We’re not asking for any exception, but they don’t always apply this rule
Did he push for a bend in the rule or not? Just wondering, this is a neutral question.
"The world is a mess and I just need to rule it." Dr. Horrible
Is anyone aware of any time this rule has actually been applied? We know it didn’t apply to Cippo. Did it apply to Elliot? Alcalá?
From the get go, McQuaid was saying there was no problem, LA could ride TdU. Only after someone else had pointed out the problem did he start to contradict himself. The TdU organisers took him at his first word. They advertised that they’d landed LA. The UCI needs the TdU. Screwing over LA, just cause it might amuse a few of us, would not exactly help an event the UCI has been championing. In the end, the UCI made the only decision they could make. The correct one.
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BREAKING NEWS...
…Armstrong is canceling his comeback.
Seems like the new test detecting autotransfusion is messin’ his all plan up.
Keeping the door open, just in case the tests can be challenge in court, but “a definitive decision will be announced within weeks”.
Down the drain is all that money spent in electricity having those freezers running, for the last 2 years.

I keep coming back to see this....
…must….look…away…
by cg. on Oct 9, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
"Everyone's missing the point here."
Mike Turtur (Tour Down Under race director):
"Everyone’s missing the point here. If he was serving a disciplinary penalty of six months or a doping penalty then there would be no argument. The rider would have to serve the six months regardless. All of the information required by the anti-doping program for the biological passport will be obtained by the UCI well before the Tour Down Under is staged. So what is the point of enforcing a 12-day period that’s going to achieve nothing? Everyone should congratulate the UCI on seeing it that way because it’s common sense. It always takes something like this … for something to be changed. We shouldn’t get away from the fact that Armstrong made a statement, right from the word go, that his prime reason for doing this is to raise the awareness of cancer, the fundraising opportunities and the treatment and all the things that go with it. Secondary was riding the bike. But he said, ‘I can get the message out there clearer and louder if I’m on the bike’."
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Well, assuming they'd waive the rule for anyone, not just for Lance, I have no problem with it.
There needs to a be a bit of common sense about these things.
reactions
Both the French and German federations have criticized the decision of the UCI to “waive the rule” – I use quotes there, because in most cases this is how the story is presented. That is, the Armstrong is being given a special favor. A German article called Armstrong “more equal than others.”
Whether you agree with the decision or not, the UCI has unnecessarily opened itself up to criticism here. Armstrong is an intensely controversial figure in a way that Cipollini or Alcala never was. Fair or not, that’s reality. To ignore that, well, is a serious PR mis-step, in my view, especially as they linked the story to doping.
Really, the UCI could use some help with the spinning ;-)
the UCI has unnecessarily opened itself up to criticism
way i see it, they were in a lose lose position. if they imposed the rule there’d be even louder criticism from the people they’re trying to attract to this sport..
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by fmk on Oct 9, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
didn't help that the UCI said a loud and clear 'no way, no how, he needs to follow the rule'
and then changed their minds, leading to speculation of money changing hands. All very badly handled by their PR folks.
But McQuaid himself was saying, way to go, for sure, no problem. He was being interviewed on Irish radio. I may have a bit of it recorded, I think it was replayed when they interviewed Betsy Andreu (he pissed her off something rotten in the same interview).
I think what we’re seeing here is a bit of in-house faction-fighting, UCI style, with the different camps in the organisations facing off over this issue.
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by fmk on Oct 9, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
McQuaid is the one that said during the World Championship 'no way, no how'
“Pour revenir en compĂ©tition, il devra avoir fini la pĂ©riode probatoire de six mois nĂ©cessaire Ă la fiabilitĂ© de son passeport sanguin”, a-t-il dit durant une confĂ©rence de presse donnĂ©e Ă Varèse oĂą se dĂ©roulent les championnats du monde de cyclisme.
“Je ne sais pas quand il en a fait la demande mais l’UCI respectera son règlement”, a-t-il ajoutĂ©.
“Si en janvier, cette pĂ©riode de six mois n’est pas atteinte comme le stipule l’article 77 de notre code anti-dopage, il ne pourra disputer le Tour Down Under en Australie comme il en a Ă©mis le dĂ©sir.”
And he een brought up the 99 EPO samples:
S’il croit que son retour peut le dispenser de rĂ©pondre Ă l’enquĂŞte et au constat auxquels avait abouti l’enquĂŞte de L’Equipe en aoĂ»t 2005, alors il commet une grave erreur", avait-il ajoutĂ©.
“Six des Ă©chantillons prĂ©levĂ©s en 1999 contiennent de l’EPO. Il n’a jamais pu dĂ©montrer le contraire. Il n’est pas blanchi, comme il l’affirme.”
And now McQuaid turns around and says welcome.
I think the exemption mames sense BUT
That is some quote from McQuaid posted above by Lyne
My embarrassing translation skills:
"Pour revenir en compétition, il devra avoir fini la période probatoire de six mois nécessaire à la fiabilité de son passeport sanguin", a-t-il dit durant une conférence de presse donnée à Varèse où se déroulent les championnats du monde de cyclisme.
"Je ne sais pas quand il en a fait la demande mais l’UCI respectera son règlement", a-t-il ajouté.
"Si en janvier, cette période de six mois n’est pas atteinte comme le stipule l’article 77 de notre code anti-dopage, il ne pourra disputer le Tour Down Under en Australie comme il en a émis le désir."
“To return to competition, he will have to have finished the probation period of six months necessary for the reliability of the blood passport.” he (McQuaid) said during a press conferenece given in Varèse during the World Championships.
“I don’t know when he made the request but the UCI will respect its own rules”, he added.
“If in January, this period of six months isn’t complete as stipulated in article 77 of oir anti dopage code, he will not be able to compete in the Tour Down under …..”
by cyclingchallenge on Oct 9, 2008 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
mames/ makes ... what's the difference? ;(
by cyclingchallenge on Oct 9, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
remaining translation ...
And he even brought up the 99 EPO samples:
S’il croit que son retour peut le dispenser de répondre à l’enquête et au constat auxquels avait abouti l’enquête de L’Equipe en août 2005, alors il commet une grave erreur", avait-il ajouté.
"Six des échantillons prélevés en 1999 contiennent de l’EPO. Il n’a jamais pu démontrer le contraire. Il n’est pas blanchi, comme il l’affirme."
"If he believes that his return can dispense of responding to the enquiry and the facts of which arose from the end of the l’Equipe enquiry in August 2005, then he is committing a grave error. " (sorry clumsy)
“Six samples taken in 1999 contain EPO. He has never been able to demonstrate the contrary, he is not "in the clear” (blanchi?) as he claims. "
by cyclingchallenge on Oct 9, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Not much difference...
… anyway, I’m off to maim lunch.
PS: If anyone has far too much free time on their hands… ehehehe… MAME32…
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That's a little too high tech for me.
I’m still relying on my Retro-Encabulator.
by swells on Oct 9, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh... my...
I love how he keeps opening up the cabinets and flipping switches throughout. Looks like he has that whole thing memorized too! Wow… just… wow. I might have to memorize that myself.
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Yeah...it gets funnier everytime I watch it...
I love the little squeak when he opens the doors.
“drawn, reciprocation dingle-arm”…ya know? To reduce sinusoidal deplenaration.
"Surmounted by a malleable logrhythmic casing..."
… that’s right where it goes off the deep end for me.
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Or
if you can’t get to Vegas for the weekend http://www.fruit-emu.com/
Time Pitches 10 Questions At LA
Alas, they’re playing softball.
Q: Will you consider finishing in second or third a victory?
Second place and third place are not first place. Most people would view that as a defeat if you’ve stated you want to win. I’m not sure that I can win. But if we can be successful going around the world and talking about this issue, I’m willing to get second or third.
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clarification: it's not TIME, it's questions from readers
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Astuteness
Confounding the belief that Texans are proof that the Indians mated with the buffalo. :)
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by fmk on Oct 9, 2008 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, geez
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
you feeling better yet?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Hey!
As a misplaced Texan let me inform you that you are not permitted to make that joke unless you’re American.
Astuteness
Confounding the belief that Texans are proof that the Indians mated with the buffalo. :)
There!
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much better...
(muttering under breath) dang straight. I ain’t gonna be insulted in my own country…unless it’s by my own countrymen.
Hey man... I got respect for Texas...
and for a lot of Texans…

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Been here!
Might take me a while to find the photographic evidence, but I’ve covered all 2,653 miles of I-10 in Texas…
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 10, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
That is a God among men... Stevie Ray Vaughan...
A man whose abilities with a Fender guitar when related to the Texas style of Blues are unparalleled in this universe or any other parallel dimension. Given the opportunity, alien species would fly to earth and provide us with exolinguistic hyperbole so that we would never run out of new ways to describe the divine majesty with which Stevie Ray Vaughan could shred. He also, tragically, died in a helicopter crash in 1990 before I ever had a chance to see him play live.
Stevie Ray Vaughan’s blues are that moment before you actually get to take that sip of ice tea after you’ve been hacking down tall weeds with an idiot stick on a 103° summer afternoon after losing your sun glasses. Stevie’s blues are that moment when you realize you’ve treated a good friend poorly and would do anything to make up for it. His blues are how you feel when you wake up, suffused with the knowledge that you will own the day ahead of you.
I suspect that you have at least as much of a love of orchestral music as I do, but don’t let that put you off of this stuff. It’s unique; wholly unique.
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Thanks! How wonderfully instructive. And I love the idiot stick.
Orchestral music is indeed my thing (I’m a late romantic girl at heart….Mahler, Richard Strauss, early Schoenberg, Wagner, Zemlinksy etc. More a renaissance and baroque girl when I sing) but I’m open minded to pretty much anything and I certainly see the attraction of this man….I will keep my ears open for more!
Pick up the CD "Texas Flood" or the DVD "Stevie Ray Vaughan: Live on Austin City Limits"...
Either one are worth your hard earned money. Particularly “Lenny” on Texas Flood (written for his wife) and “Tightrope” on the DVD are magnificent examples.
Stravinsky and Rimsky-Korsakov are about as modern as I get although there are a few pieces they play late at night on the radio that pique my curiosity (Allan Hovhaness’ Guitar Concerto #2 being a recent example). I’m sort of stuck on a German/Austrian/Italian/French Baroque kick at present (although everything written by Vivaldi all sounds the same). I love listening to Wagner, particularly “Die Walkure” because of the melancholy tone over the last half of the last act… “In festen Schlaf, verschliess’ ich dich”. That said, too much Wagner and I start craving a constant melody to refer to… it’s almost as though I get tired of trying to follow the threads. I’ll sing anything, as long as it’s low enough… personal favorite is the Ego Sum Abbas from Carmina Burana.
I, sadly, don’t have anyone around here in meatspace that enjoys orchestral music. It’s a sad and lonely life…
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Yeah, true that about Vivaldi!
Bach was the true baroque genius. I saw the whole of the Ring cycle at Covent Garden last year-so powerful when you follow the whole thing through within a few days. Walkure is the best, no doubt. The first act is so perfectly paced so that the tension just grows and grows only to be relased in the final (sibling sex) moment. And act 3, so beautiful I cry every time.
Some late night listening for tonight, with me on the flute ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgrVT91Vho0
The slow section is a bit dodgy but it’s really rather good by the end!
Sweet... I'll listen to that later on...
… perhaps one day I’ll get the E-string on my spanish guitar fixed (it snapped when a picture fell off the shelf onto it during the last earthquake) and record a little Volta or something. Maybe man-up and learn the Bach Bouree…. all while realizing that I will never be John Williams.
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Opera certainly counts. I'm not sure what as, but it counts alright.
Not a fan of the Italian stuff though, unless it’s baroque. Although Puccini is mildly entertaining. Give me Wagner and Strauss any day, along with a smattering of Handel, Purcell, Shostakovich and Janacek. Oh, and Beethoven, although he only wrote the one.
Hm, the jury's out.
I heard the Vienna Phil doing an amazing 8th last year which almost convinced me. But then I played the 9th and almost died of exhaustion. I like the choral stuff better.
Wow crashdan. I so like what you did with translating that into American. Your version is waaaay superior. Pierre Menard himself would be proud of your work. :)
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Well... American to American is an easy translation...
It’s the “Theatre” to “Theater” or “Colour” to “Color” stuff that really throws me.
Which color you may ask? Any Colour You Like…
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Indeed, the real challenge is English to American
Often Hollywood has to redo entire films due to the cultural differences in the two languages.
Dang it, I had your post cropped
so I couldn’t see that you already had done the proper English to American joke.
Ricky Bobby: Wait, Dad. Don't you remember the time you told me "If you ain't first, you're last"?
Reese Bobby: Huh? What are you talking about, Son?
Ricky Bobby: That day at school.
Reese Bobby: Oh hell, Son, I was high that day. That doesn’t make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth… hell you can even be fifth.
Ricky Bobby: What? I’ve lived my whole life by that!
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Anchorman!
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by fmk on Oct 9, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm Ron Burgandy?
Milk was a bad idea……….
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."
If they can
give Levi a ‘20K rule’ or whatever that was in the ToC when he crashed in the closing loops in the leaders jersey, they can give someone 7 days out of 6 months. And I like Levi.
I’m curious to see what Lance does this time around. Tell your local bike shops (in the US) you don’t want Lance back, see what they say.
To allow or deny
Really everybody, it was a simple choice for them to make whether to allow Lance to ride downunder or not. People who propose being anal in this type of situation and following the letter of the law, well, I can only hope those people are never put in charge of making decisions like this one. No it wouldn’t have been the end of the world had some anal retard been left to make the decision to deny Lance a number in the TdU, but if that had happened it would have been mindbogglingly stupid and impossible to defend to me and dare I say the vast majority of the cycling community.
OK this is slightly off-topic but can someone answer this question for me?
Armstrong says, if I understand right, that he is returning to cycling to raise awareness of cancer, raise global awareness of cancer, raise awareness of cancer on a global level, something like this.
Can someone please tell me what the f*** this means?
I don’t mean to be insensitive. But I’m exasperated by the formulation. What does it mean to raise awareness of cancer? Of the existence of cancer? Of the fact that cancer is bad? Of the fact that lots of people have it?
Frankly it really pisses me off – the phrase is so meaningless that it is to my mind very difficult to trust it on its own merit (i.e., it doesn’t have any).
I’m not insensitive to or ignorant of the issue – I have family members who have died of the disease – frankly I think everyone has family members who have died of the disease. But this is exactly my point – where is the need for increased awareness?
I could understand it if he was saying “I want to raise a bunch of money for cancer.” But I don’t think it’s splitting hairs to point out that he’s not saying this – from day 1 it’s been about “awareness.” So it makes me wonder what is really going on here. I’ll show my hand: I’m not a Lance-hater (though for various reasons I can’t really say I’m a fan), but the fact that he’s framing his comeback this way makes me all the more receptive to those who have viewed said comeback with deep cynicism.
Anyways if I’m out of line or full of sh*t on this matter please tell me, but also please tell me why. Thanks for letting me get that off my chest.
pliny – why do you love cancer?
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the serious answer – i think what he’s doing is a sort of Live8. emotionally blackmail governments into pouring money into cancer research. timing’s a bit off though, given the current economy and the chances of governments being overly liquid middle of next year.
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yeah interesting point about timing...
…hopefully he doesn’t plan to ride the Tour of Iceland ;)
by plinytheelder on Oct 10, 2008 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
problem is, they are all too happy to show up in wristbands right AFTER cutting funding
I guess his focus is personal lifestyle changes. Stop smoking, eat right, go to the doc if your bits are lumpy or your moles are too big to erase with (honestly, thinking of a mole compared to a pencil eraser has always stumped me)…slap on some zinc oxide (now that the other sunscreens turn out to maybe be hormone mimics) eat your broccoli.
Not that any of it is bad advice, but I’d like it better if he said, “and if you cut research, treatment and health care funding while wearing my armband, may your own hand grab you by the throat and throttle you.” And I don’t see that happening, ever. Cause, you know, if people live in and drink polluted water (coal country, maquilladora country, etc) we should just get rich and move to someplace where we can tap an aquifer.
I guess his focus is personal lifestyle changes
I don’t see him saying any of that.
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Charity is like business
It’s a competitive world for dollars, and if you’re not out there pimping your charity, then the funds dry up. This is especially true for cancer. Look at breast cancer. It has an amazing PR machine, and tons of money flowing in. As a result of this awareness, more and more women are surviving breast cancer. This is due to a combination of awareness generated my the massive public relations campaign, which leads to earlier detection, and massive amounts of money for research into providing more effective treatments.
Unfortunately, there are hundreds of different variations of cancer, some which are rare which have no awareness, and very little direct funding. So the early prevention is lacking, as well as effective treatment plans.
When lance says he is “raising awareness” of cancer, he is not saying he is going to spread the word and educate people about this terrible disease. He is saying, when you sit down and decide who to donate money to, please think about cancer. He is saying, don’t give to the Red Cross or your local animal shelter, write the $50 check to research cancer.
Awareness is also immensely important with cancer, because early detection is critical to successfully beating the disease. So his “awareness” claim is extremely valid. His story alone probably caused countless number of men to check their testicles for a lump in the shower after watching a stage of the Tour de France. That is important, and potentially may have saved quite a few lives. If his return causes one man or woman to go to a doctor to get something checked out, it has been a successful “awareness” campaign and a very noble gesture.
There is alot of things that I find distasteful with Lance, but I completely believe and support his current campaign to raise awareness of cancer. It is very important.
Just my two cents.
Cool,
your thinking on this is far more supple and nuanced than mine. Thanks for the thoughtful response.
by plinytheelder on Oct 10, 2008 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
No problem
My wife works in the “curing cancer” business on the R&D side, so I get to see first hand the efforts and ridiculous amount of money that goes into this disease. And money drives the research, unfortunately, so anything Lance can do to get more money is a very good thing.
Tom Boonen does his duty in the tough war on cancer
Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets
cykelgud indeed...
the translation reads like a conversation between two wild and crazy guys – “and then we dyppede hands in paint and then took hold of loving the breasts in a number of beautiful women”
Okay...just finished reading this amusing thread....and I just need to know...
who is sharing the chocolate cuz I have a serious craving right now?
lyne…do you not work girlfriend? posting during work hours…not fair!, not fair!!
wolverine….I need that soup receipe!!
albertina and gavia….I just need to hang with you chicas!!
…and of course I continue to bow to the crashdan alter!! you never disappoint!
okay, back to work for me….darn it!
Hi Steph! Haven't come across you in a while.
You can hang with us any time! Oh, and how are the AV cravings coming along? ;-)
hey albertina!
work has been insane…wah!
wolverine gave me a heads up on this armstrong thread. it was brilliant reading….absolutely hysterical!! crashdan….you remain my hero!
girl….i am going through some serious alejandro withdrawl….ha!
we were inspired once again.....
soup recipe? sheesh I missed that must have been during one of my work breaks
"altar" dear, "altar"
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
turkey veggie rice soup...
cook a turkey (ha)
clean meat off the bones
break the carcass up and throw in a crock pot with broth (i cheat and use pacific chicken and beef broth)
let that cook a few hours… remove bones, separate any remaining meat from grizzle and such
add meat back into crock. add one large can of crushed tomatoes.
add veggies of choice
add cooked rice (otherwise the rice will absorb all the broth) or you can use barley
cook on low for a few more hours
let cool… if you have a freezer, once the soup is cool enough, place in canning jars, the heat will help seal the lids… cool completely overnight in frig and then can freeze the soup
any other requests?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
hubby does the cleaning...
and the laundry… and takes out the trash….
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
yes, he does do that....
you’ll be pleased to know that bunny is driving him crazy… nibbling off the buttons to the tv remote
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?
“taking care of Bunny”?
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yes, s/he is... a 8 lb black terror
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
i COOK
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
This isn't your regular Turkey Soup that you can get from anyone... I got it special delivered...
… grown without any additives or hormones, organic, up in Humboldt. It’s called Soup du Jour… and I’m the only guy you can get it from.
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...and don't tell my boss i am here with you
you guys were having way too much fun earlier without me
I dearly hope
you ain’t talkin bout me.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 10, 2008 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey
look at the time!
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 10, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, nah, nah... Chocolate ain't like that...
… i mean when the guy comes around with the Turkey Soup, it’s almost required that you share some with him. But when the Chocolate man comes… I mean you don’t even want your FRIENDS knowing that he’s there… and you don’t usually share.
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Ahhahahahahaa...
I’ve been down that road before… first she says “Try the chocolate, you can have some of mine”, then, next thing you know, you’ve got the beeper number for Ghiradelli’s…
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You getting to go to Spain without me?! No way. I'm coming too.
We can purchase the chocolate in duty free. Gosh you are a BAD influence on me Steph…..but…AV…mmmmm :-)
*puts his hands up and slooowly backs away from the keyboard*
I’ll let Lyne handle this one…
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Valverde or Charo in hand luggage
both are small but I don’t think we can keep Charo from cuchi cuchying
See... that's the advanced hardcore stuff... just gets you into trouble.
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No!
Ah well. Italians are going to be in lockdown mode.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 10, 2008 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad huh?
I read many Valverde blogs hence know these things ;-) I don’t suppose he’ll be slacking over the winter, what with the twins to look after….!
where's the hose?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Steph-I went to Cycle 08 in London today.
Saw this and thought of you ;-)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29041824@N07/2936131484/
Sorry the frame obscures half his face. I did my best….
Yes, I picked it up, and feather light it was.
I’m not sure it was his own one though! Have a look at my pics of the Spanish champ bike in my fanpost. Sooooo sexy.
Spanish Crit?
Is that some sort of warmup routine? How many mountains were on the course?
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 10, 2008 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
330 Comments...
We need a new thread to ruthlessly threadjack!!!!
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To quote some girl named "gavia"...
this is why you must be here at all times.
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Tour de Langkawi
TdL organisers invite LA. As spectator.
“[Armstrong] will not be a rider but instead will be involved in the promotion campaigns for the event and also to promote awareness of cancer which almost derailed his cycling career. I hope to get a confirmation soon.”
It’s gonna be a freakin circus next year.
pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway
Michael Ashenden gets on the case of LA, Again.
“It surprises me that the Tour [Down Under] is willing to embrace such a controversial figure. It surprises me in the wider context that there hasn’t been more adverse reaction to his proposal to come back. People are dazzled by the star factor and they are not pausing to really reflect on what this is all about and whether or not it would be good for the sport. […] Everyone recognises that this [Don Catlin’s appointment as LA’s private tester] is prone to abuse. If Don Catlin finds EPO he can’t do anything about it.”
pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway
“Everyone recognises that this is prone to abuse. If Don Catlin finds EPO he can’t do anything about it,” Dr Ashenden said.
Why not? I hate when they do not elaborate.
If Catlin(I honestly do not know enough about him to judge his character) find something he can officially denounce the program ruining Armstrong’s cancer promotion and future in politics.
And an important thing not to forget, Catlin is American so Armstrong can’t play the nationality card to reassure his fanbase.

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