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Let's see... Team Sexy Back is at boot camp. Italian media are speculating about the 2009 Italian Worlds team (that would be 11 months away). Over in Opposite World, Lance Armstrong and Filippo Simeoni are friends. Bet you didn't see that one coming.

Anyway, enjoy the slow months. There are only two of them.

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Niels Albert thinks it is impossible to win Le Tour without doping

so he tells CN, Mr. Albert I would like you to meet Mr. Sastre(at least clean of CERA)

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt

by Phil H. on Nov 15, 2008 5:58 PM EST reply actions  

One of those weird mud creatures

whoever says there are no such things as monsters have clearly never seen one of these, absolutely frighting! :)

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt

by Phil H. on Nov 15, 2008 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Neither are Neils, he got third that day,

on the Koppenberg. Neils is still young, so young he says stupid things that he has no clue about. If he had ridden a tour, maybe he could say something, but currently he has no experience in the field.

by brunopitton on Nov 15, 2008 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I know neither are Albert

but I was too lazy to find one of Albert. :)

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt

by Phil H. on Nov 15, 2008 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

And this is the man who’s saying road cycling is dirty?!? I wouldn’t like to see his weekly bill for Persil.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Nov 15, 2008 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course

you can win w/o doping. You just need the other guys to not dope too. Then a non-doping win is a certainty.

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Nov 16, 2008 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Sexy Back camp

Ah, I’ve been waiting to see what the boys will be up to this winter.

by Lou... on Nov 15, 2008 7:03 PM EST reply actions  

..but what's this?

… Boot camp in Denmark? …and the tea lady won’t be required to do the 100 mile forced march this year? Are they goin’ soft on us?!

by Lou... on Nov 15, 2008 7:06 PM EST reply actions  

Sue Haywood gets some (court ordered) love for 2004

I know a few folks here followed the heartbreaking clusterfsck that was the selection process for the 2004 Olympic MTB teams. Turns out that (sorta local girl) Sue Haywood asked USAC to treat her right, they didn’t, so she went mid-legal on their asses. She won.

by Sui Juris on Nov 15, 2008 9:16 PM EST reply actions  

Does USAC have that sort of cash, or will they just go bust instead?

and I wish someone would have reminded the jury that “inconvenience, mental anguish and anger” are OK when you are dealing with the like of Ford or IBM, but not when you are making judgments agains organisations that are largely run by volunteer help.

by Monty. on Nov 16, 2008 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

they've got it.

No one’s going bust over this. I’m sure they’ll poormouth it, but they’ll come up with it. And they’ll be a lot more careful in the future.

Bicycling.com’s Boulder Report has a pretty good summary of the background, and consequences, here. They also speculate about the financial impact of the judgment:

According to the IRS Form 990 that all non-profits file, USA Cycling’s revenue for 2006 (the last year for which I can find records) was just under $9 million, with total expenses of $7.5 million. This single award then, is a little under four percent of the organization’s total operating budget.

A little more significantly, it’s about three times as much as the organization paid Team Big Bear and Blue Wolf Events to run its NORBA national series in 2006.

No idea if it’s covered by insurance or not (it sure should be). As the report notes, the cost will probably ultimately be borne by license holders. As one of them, I’m okay with that. The most basic function of USAC is to facilitate fair competition. They didn’t do it, and when given a chance to make that right (as best they could), they didn’t. So now they’re getting a painful reminder of that duty.

by Sui Juris on Nov 16, 2008 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for that

There’s an interesting link in the comments:

In 2006, USA Cycling paid out 90 liability claims totaling $312,000.
In 2007, USA Cycling paid out 132 liability claims totaling $499,000.
In 2008, claims are tracking to total more than $700,000.

I still reckon that this was a tricky one and that they were stuffed whoever they chose. I guess next time they draw up the arbitration contract a lot tighter.

by Monty. on Nov 16, 2008 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Whaaat?

Jens! not wearing a grin? In fact, I’d go so far as to call that expression a frown. Wow…

by Lou... on Nov 16, 2008 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

It's his gameface

I’m sure he was just about to attack and go on a 20k solo run, staying away all the way to the finish.

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt

by Phil H. on Nov 16, 2008 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually... that look on Jens! face...

means he’s about to gut the photographer using the hand crafted hunting knife his survival team just made from a disused truck leaf spring and leather tanned with pee.

He’s going to hunt the deadliest game of all… man.

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Nov 16, 2008 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Ahhh...

Right. So someone messed with his food….

by Lou... on Nov 16, 2008 3:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Bahahaha!

Classic. You should be afraid. Very afraid.

by Albertina on Nov 16, 2008 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Jens only grins...

with dishing out the pain to his fellow breakaway companions.

Fucking sadist!

I heart him.

Racing for Victory and Free Beer!

by DemonCats on Nov 16, 2008 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

van Av

looks like he’ taking fashion tips from Ashton Kutcher.

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Nov 16, 2008 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

He looks like a conductor.

That’s orchestra chic these days, despite the fact that it looks stupid.

by Albertina on Nov 16, 2008 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yes i will settle for Fabian in a suit...

Ohh how hmmmm Nice does he look, I just want to gobble him up…

by CycleGirl on Nov 16, 2008 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

That's a glorious picture of Fabian at the training camp! Mmmm

I’ve seen the one of Basso before but it certainly bears a second look. And a third. And a fourth……

by Albertina on Nov 16, 2008 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I would gladly put my uniform on,

Put my pack on my back and march around the bush with these guys :-)…

Much more interesting then what i work with now. and i can survive on rations too, send me over, I’ll write the report for PdC.. Only problem would be,

Who would i do gun Piquet with???? hehehe

by CycleGirl on Nov 16, 2008 1:35 AM EST reply actions  

I would say I'd join you...

…but I prefer slippers and a mug of hot chocolate. You go ahead!

by Albertina on Nov 16, 2008 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

They only dress like this for the cameras you know

I can’t imagine even Jens sitting down to a plate full of witchety grubs and raw kangaroo testicles.

by Monty. on Nov 16, 2008 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, my local deli sells them with a balsamic marinade....

roo testies that is, not witchety grubs……that would just be sick

Jens for Pope

by Naffster on Nov 17, 2008 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

It costs 60.00 USD to join the SaxoBank-IT Cycling Team Fan Club. Sheesh.

Proof here. I was going to join thinking I was dong them a favor by bing a fan but obviously they think they are doing me a favor by existing. Whatever.

by ZoeRochelle on Nov 16, 2008 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

Obviously I had my replace key on when I corrected my spelling.

That is supposed to read: " thinking I was doing them a favor by being a fan"

by ZoeRochelle on Nov 16, 2008 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Paolo Savoldelli speaks out against doping:

taken from <a href=“"http://www.cyclismag.com/article.php?sid=4628” >Cyclismag which in turn lifted it from a print only story in Tuttosport so some subtleties may have been lost in the relayed translation.

[On Vino] I don’t believe in that positive test …. he doesn’t have the same blood group as Kasheshkin. Something strange happened. Just like Landis, how otherwise do you explain that he spent a fortune to defend himself. …. And the Rasmussen case? It’s further proof that cycling is paying the price for the war between the UCI and the Tour de France.

by Monty. on Nov 16, 2008 7:27 PM EST reply actions  

"Just like Landis"

well thanks Paolo for just admitting that Vino doped.

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt

by Phil H. on Nov 16, 2008 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s speaking out against doping? Or did you means speaks out against anti-doping?

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Nov 17, 2008 5:54 AM EST up reply actions  

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