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Ivan Dominguez & Baden Cooke Land at Rock Racing

Rock Racing recently announced its 2009 roster, and there are a few items worth noting.  First, we'll see Freddie Rodriguez, Tyler Hamilton, Oscar Sevilla, and Rahsaan Bahati in Rock kits again.

Rock picked up four riders from the shuttered Toyota-United team - Ivan Dominguez, José Manuel Garcia, Chris Baldwin and Caleb Manion.  Rock also signed former Team Type 1 rider Glen Chadwick.  That strengthens their domestic roster, which now appears to be without Kayle Leogrande, David Clinger, and Doug Ollerenshaw (among others).

Rock is also clearly working on building a squad for European competition, signing Baden Cooke, Francisco Mancebo and José Enrique Gutiérrez.  This gives Rock two three additional Grand Tour stage winners in Cooke (2003 Tdf), Gutiérrez (2006 Vuelta) and Mancebo (Vuelta 2005).  It also, with Mancebo and Gutiérrez, gives them two more Operación Puerto refugees (Updated, per Figurehead.  Gracias.).  Santiago Botero is said to have "decided to race closer to home following the birth of his daughter earlier this year."

A partial press release listing the returning and new riders is on the other side.  If you count all the names, Rock Racing appears to have 25 riders on its the roster.  Which leads Podium In Sight's Lyne Lamoureux to ask an important question - just how many teams do we have here?

Star-divide

 

Returning:


 
Rahsaan Bahati (USA) is the reigning U.S. National Criterium Champion and a two-time winner of the Chevron Manhattan Beach Grand Prix. The 26-year-old won nine races in 2009, including two stages of the Point Premium Root Beer International Cycling Classic.
 
Austin Carroll (USA) is a track specialist who recently teamed with Guy East in the madison to give the USA Cycling Under 23 developmental program its first major success winning the UIV U-23 Dortmund three-day in Germany. The 21-year-old is also a former Under 23 national champion (2006) in the points race.
 
Michael Creed (USA) was one of the team’s most dependable stage racers in 2008, winning a hard-fought fourth place on the final stage of the 2008 Amgen Tour of California. The 27-year-old also finished in the top 10 at the U.S. National Time Trial Championships the past three years.  
 
Freddy Cruz (USA) was a member of Rock Racing’s winning National Team Pursuit squad at the 2008 USA Cycling Junior Track National Championships. The 18-year-old went through the Major Motion Cycling developmental program with current Rock Racing teammates Ian Moir and Justin Williams.
 
Danny Finneran (USA) was a member of Rock Racing’s winning National Team Pursuit squad and was the bronze medalist in the 3 km pursuit at the 2008 USA Cycling Junior Track National Championships. The 18-year-old also finished third at the USA Cycling 17-18 Junior Men’s Criterium Championship.
 
Cesar Grajales (COL) missed much of the 2008 season with a knee injury sustained at training camp. The 35-year-old did return to racing in May and later won the Gwinnett Bike Fest. In 2004, he beat Lance Armstrong on the tortuous climbing stage up Brasstown Bald at the 2004 Tour de Georgia.
 
Tyler Hamilton (USA) enjoyed a storybook season in 2008 after nearly retiring from cycling in 2007. The 37-year-old won his first U.S. national road race title by two-thousandths of a second in a thrilling finish a month after winning his first stage race in four years at the Tour of Qinghai Lake in China.
 
Sergio Hernandez (USA) scored a pair of third-place finishes in his second year as a professional. The 23-year-old joins Rahsaan Bahati, Austin Carroll and Sterling Magnell as third-year riders with Rock Racing in 2009.


Sterling Magnell (USA) enjoyed his most prolific season with five victories in 2008, including two at the Point Premium Root Beer International Cycling Classic. The 25-year-old was also a winner of the U.S. National Criterium Pro-Am Challenge a day before helping Rahsaan Bahati earn the national criterium championship in Downers Grove, Ill.
 
Ian Moir (USA) is a track specialist who finished third in the Madison at the 2008 USA Cycling Elite Track National Championships. The 18-year-old is one of three riders on the Rock Racing roster who is under the age of 20.
 
Victor Hugo Peña (COL) figured prominently for Rock Racing in stage races in 2008 while scoring a victory of his own in the seventh stage of the Vuelta a Colombia in May. The 34-year-old is one of three Rock Racing Riders (joining Tyler Hamilton and Michael Creed) who are former teammates of Lance Armstrong.
 
Fred Rodriguez (USA) showed no signs of slowing down in his 13th season as a professional in 2008.  The 35-year-old finished third at the Commerce Bank International Championship in Philadelphia and was second in the ING Direct Capital Criterium in Washington, D.C.
 
Oscar Sevilla (ESP) delivered one of Rock Racing’s biggest victories in 2008 by winning the Commerce Bank Reading Classic. The 32-year-old also had a team-high 21 podium finishes, including overall victory at the RCN Classic in Colombia and second in the Spanish national road race championships.
 
Justin Williams (USA) joined Rock Racing teammates Rahsaan Bahati and Tyler Hamilton as individual national champions when he captured the USA Cycling Under-23 National Criterium Championship. The 19-year-old also excels on the track, where he won three medals at the 2008 USA Cycling Elite Track National Championships.
 
New Signings:
 
Chris Baldwin (USA) is a two-time U.S. National Time Trial Champion (2003 and 2005) who spent the past three seasons riding for the Toyota-United Pro Cycling Team. A stage racing specialist, he has 22 podium finishes to his credit the past two seasons.
 
Alex Boyd (USA) won the 2007 Collegiate National Road Cycling Championships during his freshman year at Midwestern State University and displayed tremendous potential in nine seasons as an amateur. The 21-year-old raced for Team Waste Management/Racelab U23 in 2008.
 
Glen Chadwick (NZL) won the Tour of Arkansas and Vuelta Mexico stage races in 2008 while earning King of the Mountain jersey classifications at the Tour de Beauce and the Larry H. Miller Tour of Utah. The 32-year-old also represented New Zealand at the Summer Olympics and the UCI world road race championships in Italy.
 
Baden Cooke (AUS) is a past stage and green jersey (sprints) winner at the Tour de France (both in 2003) who has won six stages of the Jayco Herald Sun Tour in his home country of Australia, including one in this year’s edition. The 30-year-old also earned a national championship in 2000 on the track in the Madison.
 
Ivan Dominguez (CUB) also known as “The Cuban Missle” is considered the top sprinter on the North American circuit. The 32 year old has won stages at all three of the U.S. “grand tours” (California, Georgia and Missouri) while racing for Toyota-United the past three years.
 
José Manuel “Chepe” Garcia (MEX) is the current Mexican National Time Trial Champion and winner of his country’s National Road Race Championship in 1996. The 35-year-old was a dependable teammate the past two seasons for former Toyota-United (and current Rock Racing) teammates Ivan Dominguez, Chris Baldwin and Caleb Manion.
 
José Enrique Gutiérrez (ESP) is a climbing and stage racing specialist who has participated in all three of cycling’s “Grand Tours” – finishing second at the Giro d’Italia in 2006 and winning a stage of the Vuelta a España in 2004. The 34-year-old comes to Rock Racing from the L.P.R. Brakes-Ballan squad.
 
Francisco Mancebo (ESP) won the 2008 Vuelta Chihuahua Internacional in Mexico for the second straight year while riding for the Portugese Fercase-Rota dos Moveis team. The 32-year-old has competed in all three of the “Grand Tours” and was the Spanish National Road Race Champion in 2004.
 
Caleb Manion (AUS) is one of four riders coming to Rock Racing from Toyota-United where he compiled nine podium finishes in 2008. The 27-year-old won two stages of the Mt. Hood Cycling Classic and the Nalley Historic Roswell Criterium on his way to capturing the overall win at Nalley/King Omnium.
 
David Tanner (AUS) is a one-day specialist who had nine podium finishes while competing for Barloworld in 2008. The 24-year-old is one of three Australians on the Rock Racing roster (all new to the team in 2009).

  David Vitoria (SWI) compiled 10 podium finishes in 2008 while riding for the Universidad Politécnica de Valencia team.  The 24-year-old also won a stage and briefly led the Under 23 version of the Vuelta a España. In 2007, he raced for the BMC Cycling Team.

 

 

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Hope this wasn't too repetitive of items already posted

Thought it might be useful to have in one place.

by Sui Juris on Nov 17, 2008 7:30 AM EST   0 recs

btw it's an interesting team though. they certainly are much stronger for both GC and sprints

you have a pure climber, some breakaway artists, more sprinters, better TTers and some good domestiques.

obviously, RR wants to target the US tours in California and Missouri with the team, and stage races in Europe (if they can get in).

by lyne on Nov 17, 2008 7:48 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Yes this is good stuff

I’m confused as to what their European aspirations are. Are they looking two years down the road here? Do they hope to get a couple more Euro races in this year? Which ones?

by ursula on Nov 17, 2008 10:20 AM EST   0 recs

Rock Racing au giro ?

http://www.velo-club.net/article.php?sid=48738
& yes, there are rules, but the UCI re-write them and do not always update them on their website – see
http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=MTkzNg&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=34028&
which says
“Each UCI ProTeam must employ at least 25 riders, 2 team managers and 8 other staff (paramedical
assistants, mechanics, etc.) on a full time basis for the whole registration year.”
(2.15.049 on page 89)
and yet we have
“The squad signed the 22 years-old [Sergio de Lis] to fulfill the Union Cyclist International’s (UCI) clause stating that ProTour teams must employ a minimum of 23 riders” @
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2008/nov08/nov04news
(23 is , seemingly, correct for 2009)
So …sit back and enjoy another season of this sport where anything from ttragic
http://news.postbulletin.com/newsmanager/templates/localnews_story.asp?z=22&a=371307
to magic
http://www.cyclingnews.com/newsphotos.php?id=/photos/2008/news/nov08/nov03news2raisin/PB011446
will occur

by lucybears on Nov 17, 2008 9:24 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

The PiS thingy

Lyne’s question about the roster age requirements is pretty huge. What the heck are they doing? The announced roster doesn’t match the rules by any stretch of the imagination. So, are they going to somehow re-do their reg to be Conti Pro?

So confused.

by gavia on Nov 17, 2008 11:18 AM EST   0 recs

There are rules about the number of riders, age of riders and nationality of riders for a Continental team

UCI Continental status:
- at least 8 and no more than 16 riders of the elite men’s and under 23 categories only. Now there’s a bit of leeway as the UCI allows additional riders specialising in other cycling disciplines. But USA Cycling specifies that only 4 additional riders may be added for a grand total of 20 riders.
- the majority of riders on the team must be under the age of 28 (by 01/01/09)
- if registered in the US, the majority of the riders must be from the United States. The UCI interprets that to mean that US riders must be the highest number from a single country. For example, if you had 8 riders, you could have 3 US riders, 2 from France, 2 from Canada, and 1 from Belgium.

by lyne on Nov 17, 2008 11:52 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Weren't there questions raised about their squad this year too

I don’t remember where I read it, but I’m sure I saw that they were shuffling their riders between the Conti squad and the pro-am squad they also run to get around the rules on squad size. Weren’t Kayle and Clinghoffer quietly demoted at some point? Of course that’s easier to do for domestic riders, but as they are 13:12 home:foreign then things could get tricky next year. I expect some sort of “compromise” to be made.

by Monty. on Nov 17, 2008 3:18 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Rules, what the hell are rules?

it’s Rock Racing, they don’t follow any mother f**king rules, their model is something like, “dopers are are not cheaters, just riders with better strategy than those clean sissies.”

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt

by Phil H. on Nov 17, 2008 12:07 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

lol, yeah

But if they want a racing license from the UCI? These rules actually do matter. Most of the time.

by gavia on Nov 17, 2008 2:10 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Yes those UCI commies

always ruining the fun for those rebels like Rock Racing :)

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt

by Phil H. on Nov 17, 2008 2:29 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

most of them... yeah I assume that usa cycling will bend a few rules in this one

but I want them to acknowledge it. Also, I still don’t know how RR is going to race in Europe with a US Continental license. mmmm

by lyne on Nov 17, 2008 6:01 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I don't think a US cont. license means they can't ride in Europe

they rode at the Tour of Britain this year, so they must be permitted to ride in Europe.

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt

by Phil H. on Nov 17, 2008 6:19 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

sorry I wasn't clear, yes they can race in Europe but a US Continental race limits which European races they can participate in

according to UCI rules – yet again – a continental team cannot participate in ProTour races, and can only race the “Historic” (European Classics and major races like Tirreno-Adriatico, the Giro & the Vuelta) calendar if they are registered in the country of the race. They are allowed to enter international races of all other categories except Nations Cup events.

Limits which race they can get invited to.

by lyne on Nov 17, 2008 6:44 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Perhaps they are not going to be registered as a US Conti team?

Nobody said they have to be a US registered team to race in the US right?
Maybe they’ll officially be based out of Monaco, or somewhere like that in order to get around some of the issues you have outlined?

It might be a good idea to confirm just where they are actually registered.

by Ryan_Liles on Nov 17, 2008 8:27 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Reg already went in, I believe

The news reports I have seen said that they have registered as a US Conti team.

LOL, I s’pose we could give the UCI a call, and find out for sure though ;-)

by gavia on Nov 17, 2008 8:35 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I wonder if the news is just supposing they will reg. where they did last year?
That may not be the case ‘cause we’ve heard nothing from USA Cycling on this issue.
Maybe they don’t care ‘cause RR is not reg’ed in the US?

Well, that’s what I am hoping for anyway.

by Ryan_Liles on Nov 17, 2008 8:45 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Nah

Sounds really far-fetched to me. I would be highly surprised to learn that they had not reg’d in the US.

by gavia on Nov 17, 2008 11:45 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I was thinking that there could be a loophole sort of like import duties into the EU.
If you import through Monaco, your import duties are way lower as it is some sort of Free Trade Zone if I remember it correctly.
It has been a while since I was doing that stuff.

Maybe there is some loophole like that RR found in the UCI regulations for Monaco, or some place else and applied the USA Cycling, but has some other plan for Europe?
It was just a early morning idea in the hope that USA Cycling didn’t do some back room deal; like they are well known for.

It would be sad that Toyota United died because of a rule that USA Cycling chose not to enforce on RR.

by Ryan_Liles on Nov 17, 2008 9:03 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Toyota-United died because they could not line up a new sponsor.

well going through another country for registration might loosen up the maximum numbers of riders for a continental team but it doesn’t change the rules about majority of riders need to be under 28 and the country-restriction for historic races.
 
of course, all rules can be changed by the UCI because well they made the rules.

by lyne on Nov 17, 2008 9:11 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

The root cause why they could not line up a sponsor was due to the rules outlining a Conti Team.

"In any other industry this rule would qualify as age discrimination, but not in the world of cycling, where a team cannot race without a UCI approved team license governed exclusively by UCI rules and issued by each countries home cycling federation who are required to enforce such rules. Today I was forced to tell my riders that although I have money burning a hole in my pocket to support the team and we have contractual commitments from many of our current sponsors for 2009, we cannot give them a job because they are either too old, or we don’t have enough time to sign our new sponsor by the imposed UCI deadline to become either a Continental or Pro Continental team in 2009," continued Tucker.
Link

This was widely reported on multiple new sites, I just found this one first in my googling for it.

It would seem terrible to me that USA Cycling could not bend rules for a guy who had the cash in hand and a really great team put together, but then found some reason to do basically the same thing for a different team.

by Ryan_Liles on Nov 17, 2008 9:56 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

well in that press release, he states that they didn't have time to

sign a new sponsor by the date set by UCI. And they had been trying to get a sponsor since early in the year. Nothing to do with age of the riders.

by lyne on Nov 17, 2008 11:11 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Exactly

Bottom line: He didn’t have a sponsor in time.

The age thing is a separate issue.

by gavia on Nov 17, 2008 11:44 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

If they can only get into the "Historic" races by being based in that country

than how on earth does Rock believe they can get into the Giro? They aren’t a Pro-Conti team and they aren’t registered in Italy. Can anyone explain that to me?

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt

by Phil H. on Nov 17, 2008 9:15 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

No

It’s Rock Racing. It never makes sense.

But to answer your question: No, they can not ride the Giro unless they are ProConti or unless the UCI gives them some sort of Get Out of Jail Free pass.

by gavia on Nov 17, 2008 11:43 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Oh Rock Racing

so confusing, I guess when I jokingly said that Rock doesn’t follow any mother f**king rules I was telling the truth.

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt

by Phil H. on Nov 18, 2008 12:06 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Loads of Italian teams seem to get round that

Barlo is British, LPR and CSF Navigare are Irish, Preti-Mangimi are Luxembourgish and NGC Swiss, but they are all Pro-Conti. It’s harder to fly a flag of convenience if you are Conti. But then again Tinkoff seem to have been running on a Russian Conti licence for the last couple of years and they mostly ride in Italy, and got a Giro invite.

by Monty. on Nov 19, 2008 6:18 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Mancebo

He was in the Puerto-thing, wasn’t he? And I’m sure he won a stage in the Vuelta once.

Bork, bork, bork!

by TheFigurehead on Nov 17, 2008 1:38 PM EST   0 recs

Correct, he was a Puerto refugee too.

I recall him saying he was retired as soon as Puerto hit. But that didn’t stick.

by brunopitton on Nov 17, 2008 2:23 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

The second they mentioned Fuentes at the Tour in 06

he told his then AG2R boss he was quitting cycling. Not a word of defense, just " I know where this is going, I quit". Apparently when the evidence didn’t turn out to be so iron-clad he changed his mind. Go figure!

Best known for his white jersey and multiple top 10’s in the Tour, and his trademark " grinding hunchback in agony"-climbingstyle.

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Nov 17, 2008 2:28 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Cooke to Rock?

I don’t know why, but that seems pretty odd to me.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Nov 17, 2008 2:35 PM EST   0 recs

Me too

unless Barlo are a bit short of cash. I wonder if they will get a Giro invite next year.

by Monty. on Nov 17, 2008 3:21 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Possibly

But Cooke is still good for the odd win here and there. Maybe they had to choose between him and Hunter. Hunter being South African, it wasn’t much of a choice. That’s just a guess though. The money they offered him was probably crap and so he decided to leave. But, if he’s signed for a team with too many riders/wrong national make-up/wrong age make-up, he might be wishing he’d stayed with Barloworld. More to come I’m sure.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Nov 17, 2008 4:46 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Barloworld doing a Cofidis

No Cooke. No Gasparotto. No Pfannberger. Oh well. Perhaps they hope to turn back the clock to 07 when Hunter and Soler had their days in the sun?

by ursula on Nov 17, 2008 5:52 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Cookie doesn't have the greatest history of picking teams...

for example, when he signed for Unibet then Unibet didn’t get invited to all the important stuff?

by guidemd on Nov 18, 2008 12:39 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Why?

Why is a relatively young, former Green Jersey winner with exactly no overt doping history…riding for Rock? Something just doesn’t smell right about this. And why does Baden have such a knack for choosing teams that tend to self-destruct? Mercury, Unibet, Barloworld?

Never, ever, work with a sprinter.

by Put 'Em in the Gutter on Nov 17, 2008 5:15 PM EST   0 recs

Rock

Well, the Rock decision makes some sense, since Ball seems to have oodles of cash to throw around. The prize money in the US doesn’t suck either, so scooping up a bunch of race wins in the crits here in the States does have its benefits.

There was a doping allegation in relation to Cooke. It was at the end of his time with FDJ, just before his contract was not renewed. It was amphetamines, and had to do with one of the doping investigations in France. I can’t remember which one, just now. Anyway, Madiot did not renew him after it, and Cooke has travelled headed down the team hierarchies since, which given his green jersey success is a tad unusual.

by gavia on Nov 17, 2008 6:06 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I hadn't heard of the problems at FDJ.

As I was thinking about this, I wondered if Madiot didn’t know the answer to Baden’s dilemma. This team makes me feel queasier and queasier as it rolls along.

Never, ever, work with a sprinter.

by Put 'Em in the Gutter on Nov 17, 2008 7:18 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

There is more to that story.

FDJ is actually a really a team tight budget and Cooke had suffered two seasons of injuries.
If I recall, and I am reaching back here the amphetamines charge was more of a recreational use thing and not a doping acusations.
Either way, Madiot felt it was time to change the deck and Cooke had a great oppurtunity with Unibet until they got used as a punching bag between the UCI & ASO.

This is really why his Palmars have slipped in the last few years.

by Ryan_Liles on Nov 17, 2008 8:40 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Crap, sorry for the spelling errors.
I’ll get some coffee and go wake up now.

by Ryan_Liles on Nov 17, 2008 8:42 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Well, in the absence of anything else to do

I dug up this story about Cooke and amphetamines:

“Cooke faces accusations”—cyclingnews, April 13,2004. In which Philippe Boyer, French track rider who served prison time for trafficking in doping substances, claims he supplied Cooke with “pot Belge.” Cooke denied it and was going to sue, but if he did I didn’t find how the case turned out.

by majope on Nov 17, 2008 9:28 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

So?

Cooke was accused by a guy in prison who was probably trying to get a lighter sentence at the time.
Cooke threatened to sue, and nothing happened.
Most likely because Boyer is in jail and his life is basically already destroyed.

Nothing came of it because there was nothing ever there in the first place.

If that is all it takes for a guy to get written off as a doper I something like this, then there is no way to have a rational discussion.

I would suggest you to look at Cookes record over the last 5 years since he won the green jersey.
It has been solid, but nothing amazing and riddled with injuries.
He went from FDJ to what was supposed to be a great new team only to find it was caught in the middle of the ProTour mess. He then went to Barloworld which was a good move and has had some success, but nothing spectacular mainly because he really had no supporting lead out.
The move to RR will probably be a good one as he will now be apart of an extremely strong team for sprint finishes.
He’s only 30, so I would not write off the guy just yet.

by Ryan_Liles on Nov 17, 2008 10:16 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

some might say he's never been the same...

since Bettini ran him (Cooke) into the barriers at the Giro in 2005 …

by guidemd on Nov 18, 2008 12:41 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

I'd agree there

it’s the injuries that have set him back, plus a bit of bad luck with things that went wrong on his team where he had no control.

by Monty. on Nov 19, 2008 6:20 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Isn't this a little disingenuous

as a description of one of RR’s riders?

<José Enrique Gutiérrez (ESP) is a climbing and stage racing specialist who has participated in all three of cycling’s "Grand Tours" – finishing second at the Giro d’Italia in 2006 and winning a stage of the Vuelta a España in 2004. The 34-year-old comes to Rock Racing from the L.P.R. Brakes-Ballan squad.>
 
So he kept his Giro 2nd?

by NE Observer on Nov 18, 2008 10:29 AM EST   0 recs

Pretty sure he did

That’s the beauty of Puerto, no? All of the dirt, none of the resolution.

by Sui Juris on Nov 18, 2008 10:37 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

si...

They did not revise the results, and in fact, he never served a suspension for Puerto.

by gavia on Nov 18, 2008 10:58 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

He never served a suspension ’cause there never were official charges on him, just accusations.
Right?

by Ryan_Liles on Nov 18, 2008 7:28 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

He's stuck with the nickname though

Whenever someone says doping isn’t that effective I think of the Buffalo on the Mortirolo.

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Nov 18, 2008 2:30 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

no kidding

That was just silly right there.

by gavia on Nov 18, 2008 2:37 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

tsk tsk

he passed all the tests so of course he’s clean, doesn’t matter if he handily beat dopers, associated with shady doctors,…. maybe the lab work was shoddy or the lab workers were jealous or ….

:)

by lyne on Nov 18, 2008 7:42 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Dude...

you didn’t know that buffalo are constantly running up high peaks in Colorado?

That doesn’t happen in Sweden?

Racing for Victory and Free Beer!

by DemonCats on Nov 18, 2008 7:31 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Jens...

did you not know the Buffalo roam at full speed in the highest ranges and peaks in Colorado? They’re veritable mountain-goats!

Have you ever considered-“You will help me get my rucksack down for the Swedish meatballs?”- for your tagline?

:)

Racing for Victory and Free Beer!

by DemonCats on Nov 18, 2008 7:38 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

But they don't do it on bicycles right?

I’ll change my tag line as soon as someone else uses “We had great fun in the african pavillions”

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Nov 19, 2008 12:57 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Does this guy pick people to work for him

based on column inches of controversy. Today’s story in Sportwereld is that the latest hire is Rudy Pevenage. Why get the son when you can have the man himself?

by Monty. on Nov 19, 2008 6:23 AM EST   0 recs

It's official. Michael Ball is an asshat

The man is a menace. Get his sensation-seeking a** out of the sport once and for all. This is so beyond cynical it makes you want to puke. While others are trying to clean up this moron is dragging crap back in. A new low point for 2008.

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Nov 19, 2008 10:11 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

wow, yeah.

I’ve been rather a supporter, but this is gross.

by JFS_PGH on Nov 19, 2008 11:11 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Huh

I was just wondering, yesterday, if Ball was going to spend some money on a DS now. Can’t say that Pevenage was a name that came to mind, though.

by Sui Juris on Nov 19, 2008 10:30 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

I wonder what value Pevenage really has?

The guy basically sucked off of Ulrich basically his career, but in reality he never appeared to be a capable DS.

The other known stuff aside, what significant direction can he provide?

by Ryan_Liles on Nov 19, 2008 10:42 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Direction?

He can find Madrid on a map.

He was the least talented DS at a team laughed at for their tactical ineptness. Then he devoted himself to mooching off a young man with poor judgement, sending the kids career spiralling into the crapper in the process.

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Nov 19, 2008 12:06 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

DS skills? Well, he's had a few years off now, plenty of time to

perfect his skills in driving perilously close to a rider’s rear wheel during a TT. In the rain, even. Ugh.

by Ruthann on Nov 19, 2008 8:06 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

oops, missed this

just put it on the front page…

by gavia on Nov 19, 2008 11:12 AM EST to parent up