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Team Time Trial - Columbia Vs Garmin In A War Of Words

After the announcement of the Tour de France parcours last month, two stages in particular were singled out by the various talking-heads: the penultimate stage to the Ventoux, and the team time trial. While the Ventoux easily steals the imagination, some believe that the real damage will be done in the 38km stage four Montpellier TTT, with real times being taken and no artificial lessening of the losses. Already a minor war of words seems to be being stoked between the two American Pro Tour teams as to which of them is bestest at the TTT.

Star-divide

At the Tour's parcours presentation one team couldn't hide their glee at the prospect of the TTT - Garmin. Jonathan Vaughters suggested that the stage might even have been purpose-built for his squad:

"The Tour organizers must like us. They brought back the team time trial and are going through our hometown [Girona]. I think we'll have a lot of visiting friends and family the night before. It [the TTT] will be good for us. And there will be no stupid time restrictions as in the past. The fastest time wins. That's what gives us a big advantage."

In Vaughter's view, there was one clear favourite for the stage:

"We are the favourites to win [the TTT]. It’s perfect for our team to have a chance to win a stage and take the yellow jersey. It’s also a good chance for Christian [Vande Velde] to take time on the climbers."

He even went so far as to offer a prediction as to how much damage that stage could cause:

"If everything goes right there we could give Christian Vande Velde a minute and a half lead after the team time trial. That would make things interesting."

Speaking to VN later in the month, Vaughters was still bubbling over with glee, though downscaling a little his hoped for advantage at the end of the stage:

"With the team we have, even if we have a Dan Martin in the line up, to help Christian in the mountains, which we didn’t really do this year, with a team of [David] Millar, [Tyler] Farrar, [Dave] Zabriskie, Svein [Tuft] and Christian [Vande Velde], we could put a minute into the next team and really set the foundation for our GC possibilities on that."

Even individual Garmin riders have highlighted the TTT. Bradley Wiggins, speaking to CN about his 2009 schedule, looked forward to the Tour's TTT:

"I can't wait really; just talking to them [Garmin], it feels right. I've had my programme through and I'm really excited about it. The Tour has been announced and there's a team time trial, you know, we should have a real good shot at it."

Ryder Hesjedal similarly bigged up Garmin's TTT chances:

"The TTT is a welcome addition and very good for our team, as we showed in the Giro that we are capable of winning!"

Nor could Trent Lowe hide his excitement:

"Next year’s Tour course should be great for our team of very strong time trialists. Watch out for the two Daves in the opening stage! For me it will mean that my helmet will need to be well strapped on for the team’s edition of the time trial!"

For David Millar, the disgraced former ITT World Champion, it wasn't just about the team, but also about his own personal hopes, with his Tour boiling down to two stages:

"On a personal level [...] it's all about the Monaco time trial and then the team time trial later on."

Some though are already getting their backs up a bit at Garmin's presumption that the TTT is theirs, without even a pedal being turned in anger. Over in the Comic, Columbia's Mark Cavendish pours a soupçon of scorn on Garmin's dreams:

"Everyone seems to be thinking Garmin are going to win it because they've got a load of individual time trial riders, but they're not going to have it all their own way. The best team time trial squad is not made simply by putting nine individual time trialists together. Remember when Real Madrid signed six of the best players in the world and didn't win the league?"

Real Madrid? Is Cavendish comparing Garmin's decision to sign so many TT specialists with the Spanish soccer squad's galáctico strategy? Vaughters, for one, might dispute such a description. In a recent CN interview, he suggested that the reason Garmin excelled at something like the TTT was down to him worrying more about whether his new recruits had the right personality than star-power wattage:

"what people don't realise is that the reason we're so good at 'unity' events like the team time trial or days that the team really has to sacrifice itself to keep things together is because I've chosen personalities that are compatible and can see the bigger picture – intelligent riders. We don't really have any big heads. [...] We always operate as a unit – there's a lot you can do in terms of training camps and team bonding that helps that along. At the end of the day it's the people you pick in the beginning who really allow that to happen. Quite frankly, we didn't pick any mercenaries. We picked guys who wanted to be part of something bigger than just themselves alone."

Nonetheless, Cavendish is still looking forward to serving up some schadenfreude come the Tour's TTT:

"I think it's dangerous for Garmin to assume they are going to win it because they've got all these individual time trialists. It doesn't work like that. I can't wait until they get beaten by a team of sprinters."

A team of sprinters? Like, maybe, I dunno, Columbia? Cavendish explains to the Comic how this logic might actually work:

"I really think that with the number of sprinters in our team, we will do well, because the hardest bit about a team time trial is not when you are at the front, it's the sprint effort you have to do to get back on the end of the line. Your personal effort goes up and down but the team effort should be constant."

Rolf Aldag, Columbia's DS, was initially a bit more cool on the TTT than his star sprinter and not making any promises:

"The TTT will be hard, but I love to see it in the Tour."

And all Alan Peiper would offer was that

"the team time trial is going to put a lot of pressure on the favourites early on. A guy like Cadel Evans, for example, will need to get two minutes on someone like Alberto Contador."

Cavendish - who some have suggested might be carrying a tad too much arrogance - does pull back from promising certain victory for the Columbians:

"Seriously, we may not win it, but no one can assume they will either. There's CSC, Astana, us, a lot of good teams who can beat them."

When he was asked about the TTT, CSC's DS Kim Andersen didn't allow either of the American squads to figure in this thoughts. For him, there was just one team to beat:

"I'm looking forward to a good fight with Astana in that TTT!"

Those reality checks though don't stop Cavendish kicking sand in Garmin's face:

"Everyone will prepare for the team time trial at the Tour and it'll be extremely competitive. I am not saying we will definitely beat Garmin or that we'll definitely win it, but you can't just look at Garmin's team and see Dave [Millar], Brad [Wiggins] and the others are in it so they're going to win it. It doesn't work like that. I think we're a faster team."

So ya boo to you Garmin, you suck. According to the Manxman.

No team, of course, rules themselves out of contention for such a stage. Quick Step's DS Wifred Peeters offered this:

"I think the TTT will be good for us."

And Marc Sergeant felt that some of his new signings would make Silence-Lotto a contender:

"With that long time trial [in Monaco] the favourites will have to show themselves early. That goes also for the team time trial. We made good moves taking on Thomas Dekker and Sebastian Lang."

And then there's Alejandro Valverde, who would really, really, really like Santa to bring him a grand tour victory in 2009:

"I'm concerned about the 40km time trial near the end of the Tour because such long distances are not good for me. There is also a team time trial, and Caisse d'Epargne usually does well in these."

Of course, there's always Astana. Levi Leipheimer doesn't doubt their chances in a discipline Johan Bruyneel's riders have typically excelled in:

"Having the team time trial back is cool to see again, especially now that I am on a team that has a good chance of winning and putting time into everyone else."

But, as with Cavendish, Leipheimer tries to mask his inner arrogance with an outer shell of humility:

"I don’t want to come off like we’re talking a big game, but we have a strong team. And there’s the experience of this organisation of having won the team time trial in the Tour before, that goes a long way. I’m not going to say we’re going to win because that’s bad karma. I’m excited about it."

In any consideration of various teams 2009 TTT hopes, there's been a few TTTs in 2008 which ought be taken into consideration. The Tour of Qatar in January offered a 6km course, and Quick Step completed it two seconds quicker than Garmin. At the Settimana Ciclistica Internazionale Coppi e Bartali in March, Liquigas came out best over an 11.8km course. In April, at the Tour de Georgia Garmin trumped Astana by four seconds over a 16km course, with Columbia a further four seconds back and CSC seven seconds behind them. The following month, over the Giro d'Italia's 23.6km course, Garmin were again best of the bunch, six seconds faster than CSC, seven seconds up on Columbia and twenty-nine seconds faster than seventh-placed Astana. In August's Vuelta a España TTT, it was Liquigas who took the most risks to finish fastest over 7.7km. And in September, at the Tour de Pologne, a 4km TTT saw CSC taking seven seconds out of sixth placed Columbia, and twelve seconds out of twelfth-placed Astana. Make of those stats what you will.

The benefits of a good TTT outfit are clearly not just be confined to the Tour. With the Giro opening with a flat and fast 21km TTT along the Lido in Venice, it could be a major decider there of who will wear the maglia rosa for the race's early days, if not at the end of the race. While all the talk so far has been about the Tour's TTT, all promises made now will have to be backed up by action at the Giro and the TTTs that will come before that. Words spoken today could come back to haunt some teams next year.

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Good compilation

I like Columbia, they have Grabsch, Martin, Boasson Hagen, Lövkvist, Cavendish, Hincapie, Pinotti, Rogers and Hansen.

But Garmin is based in Girona and that’s just a few hours from the team time trial zone, I’m guessing they are going to try those roads a LOT of times.

by King of Doping on Nov 2, 2008 5:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That’s part of Cav’s argument – that Garmin spent a full two weeks preparing for just the Giro’s TTT while Columbia hadn’t really paid it any attention. If Garmin drill and drill and drill specifically for it, it could stand them well in a few races next season.

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by fmk on Nov 3, 2008 6:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Does this race eliminate...

…Val Verde? Sanchez? Who else?

I wonder if we are underestimating Astana? Either way, the battle between Columbia, Garmin, Saxo and Astana is going to be amazing. I don’t usually care too much about the TdF, but this format sounds very interesting to me with the TTT and the Ventoux at the end.

Cheers

Never, ever, work with a sprinter.

by Put 'Em in the Gutter on Nov 2, 2008 6:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Menchov?

Rabo isn’t very goo in TTT. But with Posthuma, Clement, MEnchov, Gesink and Freire they’re probably not the weakest in the game.

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Nov 3, 2008 10:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

YES...

I love the TTT in the major tours, there is no reason not to have them in three week stage races. They’re also beautiful and brutal, and potentially as damaging to other GC players as any climb. Unless Garmin has a team wreck on the course they will not lose no matter how much Vaughters shoots his mouth off and pisses off other teams. But remember that Astana was not well prepared for the Giro when these teams met last in this discipline.

by sminer on Nov 2, 2008 6:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I have to say I like Garmin for this

Obviously an Astana team with LA in it would have to be a big favorite because LA and JB sure know how to do a TTT. I don’t really see that Columbia has much of a chance. Maybe Saxo-Bank, but it seems doubtful since they lost some significant firepower when DZ and VdV left. But just based on pure horsepower/pedigree, I think Garmin is a safe bet. I’m sure that they will work their butts off to get ready for this. Millar, Wiggins, DZ, Tuft, VdV, and Hesjedal on a team? That’s ridiculous. I don’t see that JV is running his mouth. I think the fact that a sprinter like Cavendish disputing what JV is stating is even more ridiculous. JV is just happy and stating a no brainer. If Columbia wins this, it will be a huge win for them, but I just don’t see it.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Nov 2, 2008 7:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think the fact that a sprinter like Cavendish disputing what JV is stating is even more ridiculous.

Why? They’re both full of bullshit. Is Cav not allowed an opinion just cause he’s a meat-headed sprinter? JV reads like he’s been spending too much time in his wine cellar, predicting a minute / minute and a half advantage. Come on, hands up anyone who’d stand by that?

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by fmk on Nov 3, 2008 6:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep,

A lil too confident if you ask me.

But then again, i love a some trash talking.

If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when are you going to have time to do it again?

by CannonDowell on Nov 3, 2008 9:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Trash talking’s good. Hell, cyclists would be a pretty dull lot if they weren’t allowed some trash talking. And I think JV and Cav are both just talking trash.

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by fmk on Nov 3, 2008 10:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Disputing it just for the sake of disputing it is ridiculous.

If it were CSC running off at the mouth, that might have some merit since they are a very strong TTT team, but Cavendish? That’s crap. Of course he’s allowed an opinion, but why voice one that just doesn’t make much sense?

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Nov 3, 2008 11:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

might have some merit since they are a very strong TTT team, but Cavendish

Columbia competed in three TTT’s in 2008. At their worst, they lost only seven seconds to the winning team. CSC competed in four – and that fourth one is the only one they won. Looking at CSC and Columbia, you’d have to say there’s not much in it when it comes to their TTT abilities, based on 2008 results.

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by fmk on Nov 3, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

CSC usually use Eindhoven as showcase for their TTT

But sadly as we all know, the Eindhoven TTT was taken off the calendat this year(and perhaps forever).

Gamin with its TdF crew + Zabriskie beating CSC by 8s(?) in the Giro hardly merits for claims about being able to take 1m+ in TdF.

Anyway I came to defend Cavendish, he is an outstanding track rider and for that reason know everything there is to TTT.
a rider like him will play a crucial part when they need to accelerate the pace.and he is also great at keeping a consistent pace.

In my eyes there’s only one way Columbia can lose 1m+ and that is if they do not include the TTT in their agenda.
Will Brian Holm bet on stage victories or focus more on top 10, perhaps he want to take white and yellow again in the first week(if he reamin the team’s DS for TdF).

by OctaBech on Nov 3, 2008 12:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A couple or three.

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by fmk on Nov 4, 2008 8:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Funnily, the Columbia website seems to think he was part of the 2008 Track World Championships Team Pursuit squad (they’re mixing it up with the Madison). He did ride some team pursuit before Telekom hired him. Was it individual or team pursuit they tried him out for just before Beijing? I recall there was a possibility of him riding two events.

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by fmk on Nov 4, 2008 9:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yes that's right, I'd forgotten that.

I think it was the individual but I’m not sure….

by Albertina on Nov 4, 2008 11:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Check Wikipedia

A number of Team Pursuit results listed there for him.

by majope on Nov 4, 2008 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh right, yes, he has done a few.

Wikipedia=the fount of all knowledge. I should have looked there first! Oh, and unfortunate shorts in that picture there…..

by Albertina on Nov 4, 2008 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dear Mr Cavendish,

It has come to our attention that you have been photographed wearing a pair of red cycling shorts. We should have you know that such shorts are contrary to the spirit of this sport and an insult to all we hold dear. Therefore we would respectfully suggest that henceforth you attire yourself in a more professional manner, to wit, black shorts. If it should ever come to our attention again that you have failed to abide by our wishes and have been witnessed wearing shorts that are non-black in colour, you shall be hearing from us.

Yours etc,

The League Against Non-Black Cycling Shorts

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by fmk on Nov 4, 2008 5:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Very good. ;-)

Address it to Mr Mark Cavendish, Manchester, UK. That should do the trick. I feel sure he will listen to us.

by Albertina on Nov 4, 2008 6:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think I’ll just leave it for him to find when he goes ego surfing.

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by fmk on Nov 4, 2008 6:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's it.

My VDS team for next year has just found its name: Team Red Shorts. Mark, honey, you do your best to talk Columbia around to that color—I think some of your teammates will absolutely rock in red.

by majope on Nov 5, 2008 7:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Manchester?

Do you reckon that he’s going back there in the near future? I reckon that Mr Mark Cavendish, sur un velo, Belgium might get there quicker. Weelrenner would be quicker still if weelrenner was the right Flemish word and not something I just invented.

by Monty. on Nov 5, 2008 7:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He certainly has some kind of a pad in Manchester.

I think he dwells in Italy sometimes too. It’s wielrenner in Flemish (I think…)

by Albertina on Nov 5, 2008 8:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m just trying to picture the poor posite on his pushbike huffing and wheezing after M Cavendish, sur un vélo.

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by fmk on Nov 5, 2008 11:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol.

I don’t know though…this chap looks quite lean and mean

by Albertina on Nov 5, 2008 11:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't know about him

but it’s surprising how lean and mean his frame looks, even in GPO red and with built in lamp holders.

by Monty. on Nov 5, 2008 5:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Trust me the shorts aren't the problem

You would notice that in any colour, well i would hehehe

by CycleGirl on Nov 5, 2008 5:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You asked why and I answered it

Obviously they’re both talking crap, but why get worked up over JV’s excitement over the inclusion of a TTT in the Tour. I’m sure his comments weren’t mean to offend.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Nov 3, 2008 12:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I do not think anyone feel offende.

We just debate how realistic his goal is. :)

by OctaBech on Nov 3, 2008 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know how realistic taking a minute+ really is

But winning it is definitely realistic. Any time put into the others is good, regardless of how small is may be.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Nov 3, 2008 2:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Variables

I wouldn’t rule out a minute gap to Astana, they’re a complete powerhouse. But I don’t see them losing a minute to Garmin. Maybe 30"? Depends on so many things, but Stapleton will be forced to err on the side of some TT prowess (re. Hincapie). One thing about Cav: they can drop him if he doesn’t help in the event. His time is irrelevant.

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by Chris... on Nov 3, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree that Cav’s time is irrelevant, but given his track background, and his madison abilities, I wouldn’t think that either a 21 or a 38km TTT is going to take too much out of him, so I wouldn’t worry about him losing his place in the paceline..

If Astana are going all out for Giro victory, then I imagine they’ll take that TTT deadly serious, to throw down the gauntlet from the get go. Whether they’re able to do is another matter entirely. For the Tour TTT, while winning is not something they’d just give up, I imagine that relative gains / losses would figure more highly in their approach to it and they wouldn;t worry about a team with no GC ambition taking the stage. Put time into the other mountain goats, particularly those with weaker teams. (And before you think that means Sastre and Cervélo, remember than An Post did win a TTT this year with Fleeman and Lloyd on the team, so let’s presume those two at least can ride with discipline.)

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by fmk on Nov 3, 2008 5:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Disputing it just for the sake of disputing it is ridiculous.

But it’s not just for the sake of. For one, it’s not a done deal that Garmin’ll win. and for two, Columbia are worth a an each-way bet in any TTT.

More importantly though, the interview is in a British mag. Look at who’s gone from Columbia to Garmin and work out the real subtext here. JV can say all that he wants about hiring the right personality and building for the future, but let’s face facts, Wiggins isn;t there for the long haul, he’s already dreaming of riding for the Team GB road team and talking openly of that dream in interviews. And – given his team pursuit experience – he’d have to be considered a good road captain in something like the TTT (IIRC, it was him who was left shouting at the Columbia rider who slid off the pace line in the Giro). Without actually mentioning him by name, the questions are really about the relationship between Cav and Wiggins more than between Columbia and Garmin.

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by fmk on Nov 3, 2008 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Saxo-Bank

is keeping Larsson, though. That should help them a lot. But whoever ends up winning, it ought to be great viewing for us.

by majope on Nov 3, 2008 9:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you can put it up as a fan post anyway...

it’s probably worthy of more than a comment buried in the threads.

by gavia on Nov 3, 2008 11:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

All of Denmark is obviously excited at the signing of a swede

And frankly, who can blame them?

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Nov 3, 2008 12:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

:p Well do what we did with Voigt, Fabian, Basso, Sastre,..

Close our eyes and pretend that he is Danish. :D

by OctaBech on Nov 3, 2008 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gustav should do better than Carlos

in the “rödgröd med flöde”-test at least

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Nov 3, 2008 2:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

:D And if he performs well

we might tell him that no one actually eat that stuff, it’s just a dish we made up to make it harder on newcomers… I think

by OctaBech on Nov 11, 2008 4:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A TTT win is one of the few things

that Columbia can not brag about achieving last season. Garmin won at the Giro and TdG, while CSC won at the Tour de Poland. Don’t forget Liquigas as they surprisingly won two TTT’s this season as well. Columbia might have the TT world champ but Garmin can counter with the 2nd and 3rd place finishers at the worlds and Saxo Bank has the rider who probably would have been WC had he raced the WC’s. Also Cavendish should probably shut it as it is because of him and his lead out guys that I doubt Columbia will be able to win the TTT. BTW talking abouit TT’s Armstrong just won both TT events at the Tour de Gruene, he looks so dumb in his skin tight livestrong suit.

by Phil H. on Nov 2, 2008 8:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

I guess the design just looks really plain, looks more like a speedo swim suit then a cycling suit to me. Really looking at it again it doesn’t look that dumb after all, but it sure did look pretty stupid when I looked at it while I was really tired this morning.

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt

by Phil H. on Nov 3, 2008 12:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Liquigas

Liquigas are an interesting team in this discussion. There or there abouts in this discipline several times this year, possibly the most consistent TTT outfit of them all. Certainly for the Giro, in front of their home fans, I’d probably favour a bet on them more than on Garmin.

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by fmk on Nov 3, 2008 6:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mark Cavendish

has sparked the rivalry between the two big American squads by saying that his Columbia team can beat Garmin in the Giro d’Italia and Tour de France team time trials next summer.
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Cavendish_sparks_Columbia_v_Garmin_team_time_trial_rivalry_article_271261.html

by lucybears on Nov 2, 2008 8:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

oops

sorry.
     meant to continue – apologising for loud mouthed, arrogant behaviour of my compatriot. he is getting a wee bit unpopular in the pro-peloton with some of his remarks

by lucybears on Nov 2, 2008 8:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You can hardly accuse him of sparking it lucy. Rising to the bait maybe. Garmin have been cock-a-hoop about the Tour’s TTT and talked it up a storm.

As for Cav losing popularity in the pro peloton cause of some of his remarks – such as what?

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by fmk on Nov 3, 2008 6:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually thought Cav's

popularity grew some this year. Not sure if in the peleton maybe it went down as he can kick most rider’s butts in a sprint finish, but on the fan side of things – it sounded like more and more didn’t like him early on in the year but then he started to grow and more were respecting his thanking his team mates and such. I have no references just thoughts back to threads through out the year. I know I wasn’t a big fan but I now think he’s a pretty great kid who I’m excited to follow for the next few years.

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Nov 3, 2008 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’d be my feeling too. His ‘I am the fastest’ talk was tiresome until he started backing it up with some serious Giro and Tour stage victories. And I don’t see anyone in the peloton being bothered by an interview like this. They all know how the game works.

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by fmk on Nov 3, 2008 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I definitely like Cav more than I used to.

by Albertina on Nov 4, 2008 7:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Stage 4 looks a lot different to me for Columbia

After two full out sprint stages, stage four looks like a well placed day off for teams teams like QS, Rabo, Columbia and all those other teams going after sprint, as well as transitional stages.
Despite youthful exuberance, it would seem foolish to burn matches for bragging rights that have nothing to do with the green jersey, or stage victories that better suite their strength.

You don’t win on the ’Champs if you blow your wad all over the TTT in the first week .

This is why Stapleton is the DS and does all the thinking while Cav is hired not to think so much; but rather to go really fast when told to.

by Ryan_Liles on Nov 3, 2008 5:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The TTT is actually sandwiched between two probable sprint stages. I don’t see Columbia being willing to hide though. I think they’ll want to have some chance of GC should the chips fall right. Sprints and the green jersey will, sure, be their prime focus, but they’re a team that likes to keep their options open. And from the way Cav reads their Giro TTT performance (read the rest of the piece in the Comic), just a bit more discipline would have made the difference to them – in his view, they have the speed, they just didn’t perform well as a team, too many people pulling too long at the front and blowing before the finish, and at least one passenger.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Nov 3, 2008 6:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Garmin or anybody else were to prioritize winning this stage they

    will pay for it in the mountains. Astana might have the best all arounders to pull it off without losing too much in the mountains. Besides, taking a big lead so early in the race means you’ll have to defend it longer and wear your team down before the decisive third week.

I googled it, it must be true.

by flying dog on Nov 3, 2008 8:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I guess the issue is how you prioritise the stage. For most teams, I imagine it’s their relative position they’re more worried about – how they perform relative to those they see as GC contenders. Winning and having to defend the jersey – not a problem. Do as Garmin did in the Giro – throw it away in the next stage and let someone else have the pressure of it.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Nov 3, 2008 10:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bjarne Riis would rather win the TTT than the whole Tour de France

No kidding.

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Nov 3, 2008 10:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If only there was some way of selling the stage to him – think what a team could do with CSC acting as domestiques for them for the rest of a race.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Nov 3, 2008 10:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is there a cutoff time to look out for?

     I mean do teams have to look out for all their riders to make sure they don’t fall too far off the pace and get disqualified from the Tour. 38 km would put a few unlucky riders (flat tire or other mechanical) in big trouble trying to keep pace.

I googled it, it must be true.

by flying dog on Nov 3, 2008 8:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I presume the usual X% of the winning time applies.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Nov 4, 2008 5:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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