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TbV Soon To Be RIP

Yesterday on Trust But Verify, it was announced that they would 

be folding shop at the end of the year, leaving the site up as a monument to numerous kinds of human folly.

In my opinion- what can I say? TbV was is a great website, one of the best in all the internets. It showed how good the internet can be to our society.

 First and last it was a cycling blog; its founder, Dave Brower, unfortunately proved that with his bike accident in September as well as his (happier) descriptions of climbing Mt Diablo. He is truly one of us. 

Then you get to the reason for TbV's existence, the Floyd Landis case. Regardless of how you feel about Floyd's innocence or guilt, the level of reporting and analysis done in the 2+ years of the Landis saga is why this is a great internet site. They took a cycling controversy/scandal and went way beyond the tabloid news reporting that the MSM was spewing so that those of us who actually cared could better understand all the issues behind the case. 

And there were several major issues. In no particular order one can see the political agendas of WADA, UCI, ASO, USADA and various individuals (Travis Tygart, Pat McQuaid, Richard Young, Dick Pound, etc.)  in those organizations, the whole arbitration system with its guilty-until-proven-innocent slant, and the science behind the chemical analysis. Day after day more information came to light and one can only hope that by doing so various organizations have looked a little closer at how they do things. One hopes...

TbV reached its peak during the Landis arbitration in Santa Barbara Malibu. I was totally hooked; it was the main thing I was paying attention to during those days. Totally riveting even for this non-lawyer and non-chemist.  That the CAS hearing was closed door was a disappointment and that verdict they rendered.... sheesh. But I'm editorializing now...

With the last court case over and Floyd due to ride again it makes sense that TbV was due to close shop. I do have a wild hope that Floyd would send one more message, a message of appreciation. As for the rest of us, if you've been a frequent reader of the site now or in the past, go on over and say thank you. Thanks, TbV and Mrs. TbV. Thanks strbuk and Judge Bill Hue. Thanks Marc and Ali.  And thanks to all the contributers and fellow bloggers who took such a special interest in the case: RantPommisyi and many more. You folks have enriched our lives and when we next hear from you in relation to Floyd or in some other context our lives will be better for it.

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Chapeau TbV

This site is one of the best, esp.for the quality of the discourse.
I too loved the SB arbitration coverage, better than being there.
And, finally, this effort by Dave B and all, is the best of the promise of the web; the wisdom of the crowd. So many smart, knowledgeable people, in so many areas of expertise, shared their special insight for the greater good. And the world was (almost) better for it. (Meaning if Floyd had actually experienced justice).
We will miss you, and each other.

by MavicMoto on Dec 11, 2008 7:42 AM EST reply actions  

Um

TbV was written by the Archdruid?

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Dec 11, 2008 9:58 AM EST reply actions  

He

Kinda surprising there aren’t two Dave Brower wiki entries.

Meanwhile John McPhee is as close to being god as any Princeton prof will ever be, Krugman included. Just sayin’

"All men are frauds. The only difference between them is that some admit it. I myself deny it."- H. L. Mencken

by ursula on Dec 11, 2008 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

that McPhee book

is so awesome.

Damn, that man can write.

by Jen See on Dec 11, 2008 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Seriously

David Brower… big-time hero of mine. If he’s related, this must be a grandson? The archdruid himself would be approaching 100 if he were still with us.

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Dec 11, 2008 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

yep

I’ll put both of those guys up on my pedestal – McPhee as a writer, and Brower as well, The Archdruid.

by Jen See on Dec 11, 2008 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

+3

"All men are frauds. The only difference between them is that some admit it. I myself deny it."- H. L. Mencken

by ursula on Dec 11, 2008 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Suggestion

WE can talk about how excellent a site it’s been here, but you’re better off expressing your appreciation to Dave directly, I’d say.

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Dec 11, 2008 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

Are you serious?!

I’ve been involved in cycling far too long to get upset at somebody doping but Floyd’s bullshitting for money and threatening Greg Lemond was complete garbage. Sadly people like those at TBV bought into it hook, line and sinker. Landis lost at every turn because he deserved to. Thankfully justice prevailed. I’m sorry but the TBV site has been an embarrassment. The last thing we need to do is enable jerks like Landis. There is too much that is good about United States cycling to do that.

by Wolffrider on Dec 11, 2008 10:24 AM EST reply actions  

Quite serious

You may not like what the site had to say, but it said it in a very professional manner, IMO.

I thought the site was very well run. Dave stated his bias directly up front, and censored no one, to the best of my knowledge.

by johnw on Dec 11, 2008 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I didn’t always buy what they were doing, but the problem is Landis’, not the site’s. The site was very thorough and informative. Two different things.

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Dec 11, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Er

right, though I’m a little more comfortable with TbV’s motives…

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Dec 11, 2008 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't mean to say LANDIS IS NOT GUILTY!!!!!!!

I really don’t know. I just like the way the site looked into all those nooks and crannies. The case was like one huge English Muffin.

And, yeah, its breakfast time here.

"All men are frauds. The only difference between them is that some admit it. I myself deny it."- H. L. Mencken

by ursula on Dec 11, 2008 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Minor point

The arbitration took place in Malibu at Pepperdine University, not Santa Barbara.

by Jen See on Dec 11, 2008 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

Ain't it all the same?

I mean California is so small…

"All men are frauds. The only difference between them is that some admit it. I myself deny it."- H. L. Mencken

by ursula on Dec 11, 2008 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

It all

sounds sunny and warm to me…

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Dec 11, 2008 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you kidding?

I was in the 50s today… Horrible…

by Jimbo... on Dec 11, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

And I cannot spell...

“It” was in the 50s today…. blah, blah, blah

by Jimbo... on Dec 11, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

If anyone has a nifty trick for converting Fahrenheit to Celsius please let me know

(like “divide by 2 and add 5” or something like that)

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Dec 11, 2008 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Try

the intertubes.

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Dec 11, 2008 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Dan might've given me this link at some point.

If it wasn’t him, it was someone from here. Try this.

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Dec 11, 2008 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank's but I was hoping for some way to do a quick conversion in my head

Because I like to use my brain and think a lot.

(I could almost keep a straight face writing that)

No seriously, those online converters are great but you don’t always want to look stuff up.

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Dec 11, 2008 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Well then here you go...

[°C] = ( [°F] − 32 ) × 5⁄9

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Dec 11, 2008 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

My brain hurts

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Dec 11, 2008 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey you asked for it. ha ha!

Just subtract 32 and divide that number by 2. It will get you to with in a few degrees. :-)

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Dec 11, 2008 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Man

we really need racing to start again…

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Dec 11, 2008 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank god Cross is helping fill some of the void!

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Dec 11, 2008 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm going to paint something just to watch it dry

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Dec 11, 2008 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

My easy mental conversion rule is as follows...

30 C = shorts
20 C = shorts plus shirt
10 C = pants plus sweater (or as you UK types would say “trousers and a jumper”)
0 C = shorts plus shirt indoors with a warm drink, unless I am in Tahoe and there is fresh powder, in which case ski gear, or if I am at a Bears game in Chicago (layers)…

It gets a little more complex when the temp drops…

by Jimbo... on Dec 11, 2008 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

You so suck with the nice weather you guys get. All.Damn.Year.

Feel free to come to the Bears game tonight. It’s currently about 31 degrees F and being Chicago, you know there is some wind. Layer up baby. Oh, and if you do come, I might be very willing and possibly able to help you ride that Felt you’ve switched your attention to. ha ha!!!

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Dec 11, 2008 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

and....

we still have no pinarellos.

such suffering.

by Jen See on Dec 11, 2008 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

We suffer

like that mythological hero who has his liver eaten every day by a crow, or something

by Jimbo... on Dec 11, 2008 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

in the 50s...

yeah, it was ’orrible. I had to wear full winter kit as I started riding outside again. I hear we might even get rain over the weekend. Bloody hell here in California. Makes me wish I was back in Syracuse. In August. Well, maybe not.

In Soviet Russia, weather watches you.

Two wheels roll into a bar. First says, I’ll have a beer. Bartender says, “sorry, the dispenser is broken.” Second wheel says, I’ll have a beer. Bartender says, “didn’t you hear me, the dispenser is broken.” Second wheel says, “No problem, I’ve got my own PowerTap!”

Thanks for the props, we’ll be around for three more weeks.

TBV

http://trustbut.blogspot.com for Landis news, research, and comment.

by tbv on Dec 11, 2008 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

As a fellow blogger

I have to say, congratulations! You had a purpose, nailed it, and got out. I’ll never feel certain about Floyd, but your coverage has been excellent.

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Dec 11, 2008 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

You devotion to your cause has been admirable

I just wish that you had given some of that effort to the rights of fans and all those clean riders in the peloton to a fair contest.

Anyway, at least the cheat has finally thrown in the towel and admitted that he is fighting a lost cause.

by Monty. on Dec 12, 2008 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

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