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Vuelta: Dumbest Idea Evah?

CN is reporting that the Vuelta is once again considering some sort of first week "play-off" for their race.  The idea is to make the first week of the GT more "entertaining" and suggest that the Giro and TdF would follow suit.  Not only would the toss some teams after the first week, they would also allow the remaining team to bring in a completely different roster to complete the race.  WTF???  The problems with this idea just as it relates to the VD Sentry alone makes my head spin.  

Not F-ing likely Victor.  How about you just scrap the first week of the Vuelta all together and be done with it?  I mean, Espana's reluctance to get their act together regarding doping has pretty much trashed interest in the race and caused you to begin to lose your status as the 3rd GT to TdGermany.  So why not just throw in the towel rather than try to put lipstick on a pig?

This has got to be a non-starter.  The whole idea of  GT is that it is GRAND!  Like ONE BIG RACE, not two random little races.  The boys at Unipublic, or whoever owns that race now, are grasping at straws.

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Yes!
Just read that and thought "ummmm, I can't see this working." The Tour and Giro are certainly not going to consider it seeing as their races work just fine.

One problem the Vuelta faces is it's line-up in the GT parade. Lots of big stars are wiped out by the time it rolls around. And they know at least 7 stages are going to be roasting hot with high winds. Not quite the incentive many are looking for.

"Only those who are in top condition can say that the Ronde is not hard. For everyone else, it's the Way of the Cross." -Andrea Tafi

by Drew on Apr 18, 2008 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

google it . . .
Cordero had this idea a couple of years ago.

The point is not to actually change the race but to direct attention towards the vuelta.

by R Mc on Apr 18, 2008 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes.
Cordero has been casting about for some time now on how to improve the visibility/viability of his race.  Earlier this year he also wondered about moving it back to a spring race.

I think Drew is right here about its last place in the calendar leading to a lesser competition.  Not easy  to solve that problem.  No wonder the Tour of America is looking at a September start as well.  Does anyone know what time of year this proposed Tour of Russia (which also has grand tour aspirations even if they don't look likely at this point) might happen?

by ursula on Apr 18, 2008 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

no
the dumbest idea was the one about having time trials inside a building (sports stadium or sth like that) using stationary indoor bicycles. No, I'm not kiding. This is exactly what he said:

http://www.deportistadigital.com/ciclismo/18/09/2007/cordero-director-vuelta.html

-¿Cómo será la Vuelta de 2020?
-Cambiarán, por ejemplo, las `cronos'. Ahora crean un problema de logística brutal. O las haces por autovía o cortas una ciudad durante cinco horas. Se puede plantear una contrarreloj dentro de un polideportivo. Los 180 corredores sobre bicicletas estáticas, todos a la vez, y con el público viendo el resultado en las pantallas. Y hay algo que va a revolucionar el ciclismo: ajustarse a la parrilla de televisión. Puede ser parecido al ciclocross. Vueltas a un circuito y que el recorrido no se mida por kilómetros, sino por el tiempo. Se llega a meta cuando conecta la televisión.

by King of Doping on Apr 18, 2008 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

yer right
that wins hands down...

Not to detract from the utter stupidity of this attempt to "direct attention toward the vuelta"... Someone tell Victor that "All press is not Good press".

America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed. -Eleanor Roosevelt

by ELVISGOAT on Apr 18, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

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Sponsored by Computrainer! Multi-bike setups with guys close on GC going head to head! You could even do match play style.

by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 19, 2008 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Personally
Since he's fetching for such dumb ass ideas, he could possibly attract more attention if they started it with a bib short competition...  Just saying...
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want. -Randy Pausch

by nikki on Apr 18, 2008 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

i'd vote for that...
but only if everyone keeps his shirt on.  So don't need to see all those ribs...

by Jen See on Apr 18, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree
Competition bases on bibs but shirt required.  If even for not the rib thing, the wacked out tan thing might really hurt a few of them. LOL!
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want. -Randy Pausch

by nikki on Apr 18, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

two wrongs
the tan and the ribs - do not make a right :-P

the legs, on the other hand, are just fine, thank you very much.

gav <--- just enjoying the scenery and stuff

by Jen See on Apr 18, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps they need to
go back to starting right after the Ardennes week.  Since they went to September, it's basically been an afterthought, as most of the big names are focusing on the Worlds.  
Vlaenderen die Leu

by Peter Fontecchio on Apr 18, 2008 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes
America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed. -Eleanor Roosevelt

by ELVISGOAT on Apr 18, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

the real problem
with a September Vuelta:

the scenery, or lack thereof.  Once you get out of the Northern parts of Spain, Spain in September looks like . . . West Texas in Summer:  dreary, sun-baked, and wind-swept.

Not exactly a calling-card for tourism dollars.

But were the Vuelta to move back to April, all sorts of calendar juggling would have to happen (remember, Amstel has only recently moved to the slot it now occupies), or the Vuelta would see an even more seriously diluted field than it does in September.

by R Mc on Apr 18, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that this would go over well
but it sure would be cool to see a stage finish at the top of the Rock of Gibraltar.  Alas, they're still a little touchy about it being British and whatnot (I crossed the border there in 02(?) and it reminded me of crossing into East Berlin in the 80s.  Despite being EU mates, they don't play well together in Gibraltar . . .).

by Sui Juris on Apr 18, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah OK then
move AGR, F-W and LBL to Autumn to keep Lombardia company and run the Vuelta over two weeks in april. 3 monuments in spring and 2 in autumn - Flanders and Roubaix have good crossover in terms of riders who target both and same with LBL and Lombardia - let the climby classics guys get into serious form and have a run for a couple of weeks.

by Rothko on Apr 18, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm moving to West Texas this summer
and having been to Spain before will be able to make a close-up comparison!

by Cyclingrush on Apr 19, 2008 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

where in West Texas?
I've been in Abilene for 11 years now.  You grow to love the wind (when you don't hate it . . .)

by R Mc on Apr 19, 2008 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

San Angelo
Just a stone's throw (w/ a wind assist) from Abilene!

by Cyclingrush on Apr 19, 2008 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah, the hometowm of los lonely boys!
Burma road = ouch.

There'll be a century ride out that way early August, and a weekend of riding 15ish of June (same weekend as crits in Dallas).

by R Mc on Apr 20, 2008 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not West Texas,
But Austin was quite windy when I rode there a number of years ago.  West Texas I would guess is much worse.  In golf, the art of putting from the fairway is called the "Texas Wedge"  In other words, anything you toss up in the air is going to be blown well off target.
Vlaenderen die Leu

by Peter Fontecchio on Apr 20, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Vuelta is too long
I know the organizers want to enhance the prestige of the race, but it will always be the orphan stepchild of the Grand Tours, no matter what they do.

The Vuelta has waxed and waned in popularity with the riders through the years, and perhaps the best approach would be to shorten the race, and get rid of some of those stages with all the wind and heat of the plains. 15-17 stages are going to be far more attractive to guys racing in September - two weeks might be the ideal length.

Keep the drama high with a couple of TTs, a handful of stages for the sprinters, and of course, three or four days in the mountains.  Minimize the transition stages.  Yep, two weeks sounds about right to me, and then you'd only need one rest day. Why try to be just like the Giro or Tour, as it hasn't worked in the past?      

thevirtualmusette.com

by The Team Chef on Apr 19, 2008 12:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Cordero words
Cordero say: "The riders taking part in the playoffs would not necessarily be the ones participating in the rest of the race,"

how do you see if that team is better than other if the riders aren't the same who ride the Vuelta?

by semprenaroda on Apr 19, 2008 5:45 AM EDT reply actions  

RE: April Vuelta
Didn't the Giro start a little later too?  Of course in 1994/95 when guys like Rominger or Berzin did both the Giro and Tour it must have been a relief to take a little more time off between events wich is what moving the Vuelta meant.  Now it's a non-issue since nobody really attempts the double anymore.  Also, the end of the summer would be dead without the Vuelta (IMHO).  It would be nice to see a meaningful race between Liege and the Giro though..
Vlaenderen die Leu

by Peter Fontecchio on Apr 19, 2008 6:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Vacuum
I think, world championships aside, if the Vuelta vacates September, this would give UCI an opening for races like the Russia and America races.  Yeah, there's things like Eneco, GP Ouest- Plouay and Poland after Deutchland, but those races don't command enough respect to keep other races from crowding in.  I guess I'm saying that moving the Vuelta to April will leave the door open for  4th Grand Tour, making for a Grand Slam.

by ursula on Apr 19, 2008 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vuelta should be after the World Championships
    Too often it is used as a training race for the worlds.  Too often there are riders entered who aren't interested in their results and they leave the race early for their final preparations for the world's.  I think the potential is there for a good race if rider's were using the Vuelta as a place to redeem their season after poor early results and injuries.  It can also be a stage for riders looking to secure a new contract for the following season.

    And because they try to get three weeks in before the worlds they have no way to avoid the oppressive heat of late summer.  

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. - G. Marx

by flying dog on Apr 19, 2008 8:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Tough Q
Spain is the only big cycling nation where the regional tours have had more traction and history than the national one. The lack of enthusiasm on the part of Spanish fans is evident... not total lack, but not at the level of Italy or France, obviously. And a three week race can really drag on if fans aren't lining the road screaming. This is a problem, and I don't see any way of turning it around.

by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 19, 2008 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

we could blame the parcours
I'm sure that Angliru will be crowded with people, but you can't attract fans with climbs like Lagos(they want this climb to be the spanish Alpe d'Huez... crazy). Another problem is that Vuelta never uses the more cycling-friendly Basque Country because of political issues (ETA).

I also think that Vuelta should profit more from the fact that some riders are preparing the worlds. If you have riders like Schumacher, Rebellin, Bettini, then let's add some small climbs with narrow roads at the finish or tough finals like the famous finishes of Cuenca and Avila.

by King of Doping on Apr 19, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that right?
That's so ridiculous. So all Basques are extremists then? I guess we don't have a monopoly on oversimplified politics.

Obviously I know little of the issues there, but it just seems patently silly for a bike race to ignore a large part of the country where the sport enjoys its greatest popularity -- by far -- for what looks like symbolic purposes.

by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 19, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's a bit complicated
according to some people they also try to avoid Catalonia during the 'National Day of Catalonia' (Sept. 11) because of nationalists

by King of Doping on Apr 19, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do what you want w/ the Vuelta
but don't f w/ classics!! Suggest the Veulta move to April is heresy. All eyes should be on northern Europe then!

I like the idea of moving the Vuelta later in the year to pave the way for a North American GT in September. I bet there would be fewer participants pulling out for the World Championship.

by Cyclingrush on Apr 19, 2008 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

This 3 week tour is the poster child for
    Less Pro tour teams and more continental teams.  Let the people who want to be invited race it.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. - G. Marx

by flying dog on Apr 19, 2008 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Sure, you could do that but
a three week tour with four teams competing is just silly.

by Jens on Apr 19, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Playoffs?? Are you kidding me? Playoffs???
They should try being something other than a playground for the also-rans of the Tour de France.

Watching Tour contenders run out of gas (in September) or lose weight (in April) doesn't make for an exciting 3 week race.

Be like the Giro, and attract a different kind of rider who's gonna focus on your event first.

by Superconfex on Apr 19, 2008 4:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Superconfex , hablas español?
If so, you've got the job. Señor Cordero, please vacate your office by the end of the day.

by Jens on Apr 19, 2008 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

great comments all...
There is a great JV essay in Cycle Sport that gives insight into Spanish racing.  Basically he says, it's less about the tactics of wind, hellings and cobbles and more about the strongest guy up a big hill wins.  

Races like Subida a Urkiola bring generational fans out by the droves.  Whole families turn out to watch these boys race uphill.  Great Stuff... why not roll with it?

Carve the Vuelta down to 2 weeks of the business, up hill and down!  A double Paris-Nice.  It could really embrace the local cultural character and make it several little regional hill climbs with a few TT's thrown in.  If the WC were moved to a time prior to the Vuelta you could ditch all the sprint stages.  Leaves those guys ENECO and Paris -Tours.

You'd have all these climbers turning out to rip it up.  Stages could be shorter and you easily do away with the wind blasted heat marches across Andalusia.

America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed. -Eleanor Roosevelt

by ELVISGOAT on Apr 19, 2008 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe 3 GTs is 1 too many?
No matter where you move the Vuelta on the calendar, it's always going to be #3. I don't know if a playoff is the solution, or if there is a solution to it's lack of status.

The Tours of Russia and America might want to take note.

-K-

by KevinK on Apr 19, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Spain has bona fide internal political problems
Regardless of where your sympathies lie, there are quite a lot of ongoing low-level attacks, and any major event that glorifies a unified Spain is going to draw would-be attackers.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/04/20/spain.bomb/

Would the riders want to ride under those conditions?  Don't know.  Would it help if the government went out of its way to promote regional identity in the areas involved?  Don't know.  They clearly prefer to turn their Tour into "Spanish Idol--the cycling edition."  I think we must add  a "bulls vs. bikes" special race.  (Now THAT would be an elimination race...and as a plus, Versus would give it several extra hours of coverage, for the "beef with horns" factor.

--JFS

by JFS_PGH on Apr 20, 2008 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

LMAO
Bulls vs Bikes!! Good God, they'd have to have the ambulances lined up.
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want. -Randy Pausch

by nikki on Apr 20, 2008 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

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