Vuelta: Dumbest Idea Evah?
CN is reporting that the Vuelta is once again considering some sort of first week "play-off" for their race. The idea is to make the first week of the GT more "entertaining" and suggest that the Giro and TdF would follow suit. Not only would the toss some teams after the first week, they would also allow the remaining team to bring in a completely different roster to complete the race. WTF??? The problems with this idea just as it relates to the VD Sentry alone makes my head spin.
Not F-ing likely Victor. How about you just scrap the first week of the Vuelta all together and be done with it? I mean, Espana's reluctance to get their act together regarding doping has pretty much trashed interest in the race and caused you to begin to lose your status as the 3rd GT to TdGermany. So why not just throw in the towel rather than try to put lipstick on a pig?
This has got to be a non-starter. The whole idea of GT is that it is GRAND! Like ONE BIG RACE, not two random little races. The boys at Unipublic, or whoever owns that race now, are grasping at straws.
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Yes!
One problem the Vuelta faces is it's line-up in the GT parade. Lots of big stars are wiped out by the time it rolls around. And they know at least 7 stages are going to be roasting hot with high winds. Not quite the incentive many are looking for.
by Drew on Apr 18, 2008 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
google it . . .
The point is not to actually change the race but to direct attention towards the vuelta.
by R Mc on Apr 18, 2008 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
I think Drew is right here about its last place in the calendar leading to a lesser competition. Not easy to solve that problem. No wonder the Tour of America is looking at a September start as well. Does anyone know what time of year this proposed Tour of Russia (which also has grand tour aspirations even if they don't look likely at this point) might happen?
by ursula on Apr 18, 2008 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no
http://www.deportistadigital.com/ciclismo/18/09/2007/cordero-director-vuelta.html
-¿Cómo será la Vuelta de 2020?
-Cambiarán, por ejemplo, las `cronos'. Ahora crean un problema de logística brutal. O las haces por autovía o cortas una ciudad durante cinco horas. Se puede plantear una contrarreloj dentro de un polideportivo. Los 180 corredores sobre bicicletas estáticas, todos a la vez, y con el público viendo el resultado en las pantallas. Y hay algo que va a revolucionar el ciclismo: ajustarse a la parrilla de televisión. Puede ser parecido al ciclocross. Vueltas a un circuito y que el recorrido no se mida por kilómetros, sino por el tiempo. Se llega a meta cuando conecta la televisión.
by King of Doping on Apr 18, 2008 11:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yer right
Not to detract from the utter stupidity of this attempt to "direct attention toward the vuelta"... Someone tell Victor that "All press is not Good press".
America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed. -Eleanor Roosevelt
by ELVISGOAT on Apr 18, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally
by nikki on Apr 18, 2008 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'd vote for that...
by gavia on Apr 18, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
by nikki on Apr 18, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
two wrongs
the legs, on the other hand, are just fine, thank you very much.
gav <--- just enjoying the scenery and stuff
by gavia on Apr 18, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps they need to
by Mr Van P on Apr 18, 2008 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed. -Eleanor Roosevelt
by ELVISGOAT on Apr 18, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the real problem
the scenery, or lack thereof. Once you get out of the Northern parts of Spain, Spain in September looks like . . . West Texas in Summer: dreary, sun-baked, and wind-swept.
Not exactly a calling-card for tourism dollars.
But were the Vuelta to move back to April, all sorts of calendar juggling would have to happen (remember, Amstel has only recently moved to the slot it now occupies), or the Vuelta would see an even more seriously diluted field than it does in September.
by R Mc on Apr 18, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that this would go over well
by Sui Juris on Apr 18, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah OK then
by Rothko on Apr 18, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm moving to West Texas this summer
by Cyclingrush on Apr 19, 2008 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
where in West Texas?
by R Mc on Apr 19, 2008 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
San Angelo
by Cyclingrush on Apr 19, 2008 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah, the hometowm of los lonely boys!
There'll be a century ride out that way early August, and a weekend of riding 15ish of June (same weekend as crits in Dallas).
by R Mc on Apr 20, 2008 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not West Texas,
by Mr Van P on Apr 20, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Vuelta is too long
The Vuelta has waxed and waned in popularity with the riders through the years, and perhaps the best approach would be to shorten the race, and get rid of some of those stages with all the wind and heat of the plains. 15-17 stages are going to be far more attractive to guys racing in September - two weeks might be the ideal length.
Keep the drama high with a couple of TTs, a handful of stages for the sprinters, and of course, three or four days in the mountains. Minimize the transition stages. Yep, two weeks sounds about right to me, and then you'd only need one rest day. Why try to be just like the Giro or Tour, as it hasn't worked in the past?
by The Team Chef on Apr 19, 2008 12:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cordero words
how do you see if that team is better than other if the riders aren't the same who ride the Vuelta?
by semprenaroda on Apr 19, 2008 5:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
RE: April Vuelta
by Mr Van P on Apr 19, 2008 6:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Vacuum
by ursula on Apr 19, 2008 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vuelta should be after the World Championships
And because they try to get three weeks in before the worlds they have no way to avoid the oppressive heat of late summer.
by flying dog on Apr 19, 2008 8:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tough Q
by Chris... on Apr 19, 2008 11:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we could blame the parcours
I also think that Vuelta should profit more from the fact that some riders are preparing the worlds. If you have riders like Schumacher, Rebellin, Bettini, then let's add some small climbs with narrow roads at the finish or tough finals like the famous finishes of Cuenca and Avila.
by King of Doping on Apr 19, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that right?
Obviously I know little of the issues there, but it just seems patently silly for a bike race to ignore a large part of the country where the sport enjoys its greatest popularity -- by far -- for what looks like symbolic purposes.
by Chris... on Apr 19, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a bit complicated
by King of Doping on Apr 19, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do what you want w/ the Vuelta
I like the idea of moving the Vuelta later in the year to pave the way for a North American GT in September. I bet there would be fewer participants pulling out for the World Championship.
by Cyclingrush on Apr 19, 2008 11:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This 3 week tour is the poster child for
by flying dog on Apr 19, 2008 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure, you could do that but
by Jens on Apr 19, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Playoffs?? Are you kidding me? Playoffs???
Watching Tour contenders run out of gas (in September) or lose weight (in April) doesn't make for an exciting 3 week race.
Be like the Giro, and attract a different kind of rider who's gonna focus on your event first.
by Superconfex on Apr 19, 2008 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Superconfex , hablas español?
by Jens on Apr 19, 2008 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
great comments all...
Races like Subida a Urkiola bring generational fans out by the droves. Whole families turn out to watch these boys race uphill. Great Stuff... why not roll with it?
Carve the Vuelta down to 2 weeks of the business, up hill and down! A double Paris-Nice. It could really embrace the local cultural character and make it several little regional hill climbs with a few TT's thrown in. If the WC were moved to a time prior to the Vuelta you could ditch all the sprint stages. Leaves those guys ENECO and Paris -Tours.
You'd have all these climbers turning out to rip it up. Stages could be shorter and you easily do away with the wind blasted heat marches across Andalusia.
America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed. -Eleanor Roosevelt
by ELVISGOAT on Apr 19, 2008 6:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe 3 GTs is 1 too many?
The Tours of Russia and America might want to take note.
by KevinK on Apr 19, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Spain has bona fide internal political problems
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/04/20/spain.bomb/
Would the riders want to ride under those conditions? Don't know. Would it help if the government went out of its way to promote regional identity in the areas involved? Don't know. They clearly prefer to turn their Tour into "Spanish Idol--the cycling edition." I think we must add a "bulls vs. bikes" special race. (Now THAT would be an elimination race...and as a plus, Versus would give it several extra hours of coverage, for the "beef with horns" factor.
by JFS_PGH on Apr 20, 2008 11:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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