Il Giro: Back to the Classics?
It's hard to see much from this map of tomorrow's ride to Contursi Terme. It looks like a fairly typical Giro stage... enough climbing to kill an ordinary human being but little to stop the peloton from another mass dash to the line. But those last 3km... what's up there?
Here's what's up: a 3km climb to the line at 5.9% average, ending at 9%. A little Ardennes replay for anyone who missed them last month... like, say, Riccardo Riccò, or il Killer DiLuca. The description of the stage finish, according to La Gazzetta, is known as "alla Bettini," which I believe means that it favors the rider with the most garish outfit. TuttoBici is already speculating (with some help from overall leader Franco Pellizotti) that DiLuca is plotting a coup on the maglia rosa tomorrow, presumably so he can wear it into Abruzzi, his home region, for the third time in four years.
DiLuca's ambitions and other preemptive reverse-sandbags aside, the proliferation of the "alla Bettini" stages is about to become the story of the race. Check out the upcoming stages which feature noticeable little rises at the end:
- Stage 6: final 800 meters are uphill, and comes after two circuits over the Bosco della Risega
- Stage 7: final 2.5km rise at some unspecified grade
- Stage 8: this time, after another undulating stage, it's a 4km climb to the line
- Stage 10: OK, the time trial is a power ride, but just to continue the trend the organizers have found a few hundred meters of rise to locate the finish line.
Last year, recall, DiLuca made a living off of the smaller climbs. After earning a small cushion in the opening TTT (e.g., 30" over Andy Schleck and CSC), DiLuca won stage 4 which earned him another 5-15", nabbed another 9-30" over various rivals in stage 10, and hung on for dear life from then on. Those climbs were far longer (9-17km) than the stage-enders this year, but the gaps available aren't dissimilar. An enterprising rider might be looking at these stages and be tempted to think, this is the way forward.
It isn't. Stage wins are always nice, if they can be gained without burning too many matches, but anyone who thinks they can peak early and hang on in week three as DiLuca did last year is certifiably insane. Honestly, I doubt any of the riders themselves is actually so deluded; more likely it will be the press that thinks aloud in this manner... until the Alpe di Pampeago, when gaps in the 2-8 minute range quickly open up. So, enjoy the next few days of exciting stages... but try not to make too much of it.
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Breakaway
The break should stay away—the Ardennes type winners are also those for the gc. (Except maybe Rebellin.) They’ll want to save their teams and not chase.
by smug on May 13, 2008 2:35 PM EDT 0 recs
Liquigas
So are they going to save their team? And will LPR? One wonders what the strategies are right now. DiLuca seemed willing to work his team like draft horses today. And Liquigas… Pellizotti’s their GC guy. CW is that he needs to dump the jersey ASAP.
by Chris... on May 13, 2008 2:44 PM EDT 0 recs
Is it Pellizotti?
He was asked fairly directly in today’s after race show: Isn’t Nibali your leader.
by Monty. on
May 13, 2008 5:30 PM EDT
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And his reply
Can I get back to you when we’re a little further from Sicily?
by Chris... on
May 13, 2008 6:48 PM EDT
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The funny thing was
that it really didn’t sound like a question, more a polite reminder. It just seemed so apt for the South of Italy: nice jersey, shame if something should happen to it.
by Monty. on
May 14, 2008 7:08 PM EDT
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Pellizotti-Nibali
That was a funny interview. We’ll decide on the road, really. We just want the jersey. The Italian journos? Not afraid to ask the awkward questions.
by gavia on
May 13, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
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Good preview
The way he’s been acting I do see Di Luca trying to seize control over the next few stages. I think he will indeed burn matches. However the peloton will be wise to this- burn me once shame on you, burn me twice shame on me. In other words, these next stages are a big trap for Killer. Guys like Kloden, Contador, Sorenson, Sella, etc. will use these stages to get stronger while the LPR team will waste enery trying to breakaway. Think of a pack of wolves treacking down a moose- let it run until it tires.
Ricco’s finger injury might be a blessing in disguise if it cools his blood; i.e. stops him from trying to out do Di Luca and just stay in the leading peloton group so as to not lose any real time. Pelozzoti and Nibali would be wise to do the same. Let Rebellin and Bettini fight for some stage wins and follow close behind.
by ursula on May 13, 2008 3:07 PM EDT 0 recs
Maybe
DiLuca’s realistic enough to know he’s going to get slaughtered on the big climbs, and is planning to scoop up as many stage wins as possible before reality hits.
by Chris... on
May 13, 2008 3:42 PM EDT
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Very plausable
He’s just so… agitated these days. Not the way to prep for the mountains so you may be right.
by ursula on
May 13, 2008 4:18 PM EDT
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Disagree
I think the next fe stages could prove very important for the GC battle. If Di Luca can take a few time bonuses, he is that much better off when the real climbing starts. Every second counts . . .
by EuroPeloton on May 13, 2008 3:53 PM EDT 0 recs
I'm not very familiar with Di Luca as a rider...
... can I get the lowdown from those that know as to how he performs in time trials and mountain stages? My exposure to the Giro was Versus based last year so I don’t have any first hand knowledge of his abilities as compared to the usual Tour guys. How is he expected to hold up when the mountains loom or on the Corones?
LPR looked like they were in it for the stage win yesterday and today, man, they were whipped into a frenzy over the last 10K or so and I have to think that’s not what you want to be doing to your team in the first week unless you’re going for the stage wins for your “I’m going to pull out of the race in three days” sprinter.
============= Daniel
by crashdan on May 13, 2008 4:48 PM EDT 0 recs
on DiLuca
In the 05 and 07 Giros, Di Luca could push over 400w consistently in the high mountains. He couldn’t hold pace in the even-diriter-than-usual 06 Giro. He does much better than you would think in the high mountains on the 8-12% slopes despite having an obvious ‘hilly classic’ build. His punchy classics style goes away – he can’t attack like a Contador – and he rides more like a diesel in the high mountains.
DiLuca has been able to stay with guys like Simoni, Cunego, and Rujano and beat them by small margins in time trials. But Schleck kicked his ass in the TTs last year, as did Basso and the Buffalo the year before. He’s probably going to have problems with the Astana guys, Menchov, etc., unless he gets a blood and testosterone refill, especially in the final flat TT.
by Mr 60 Percent on
May 13, 2008 5:07 PM EDT
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Good assessment
I haven’t been rating his chances because I think the top Tour climbers can leave him behind, and in this Giro there’s just so much time for a Contador or Soler (maybe) to put into him. If it were just the usual Giro suspects… I still wouldn’t love his chances. Last year it looked like they needed about one more big mountain stage to snuff him out. But this strategy EuroPeloton suggests… could work over an easier course or with a lesser field.
by Chris... on
May 13, 2008 5:24 PM EDT
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OK, agree reluctantly
Di Luca probably won’t win, but the next few stages could be valuable for him and others to take a few seconds away from their rivals. You mentioned Soler, who would be smart to follow Di Luca’s lead and try to get himself some bonus seconds. Plus, stage wins make sponsors happy too. Nice insurance in case one has a bad day in the high mountains.
by EuroPeloton on
May 13, 2008 5:56 PM EDT
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Liquigas, LPR and if this need help: Gerolsteiner
This three i think will stay at front on peloton tomorrow.
Liquigas wants to keep the maglia rosa because probabily he don’t recover anymore.
Lpr, Di Luca wants to win the stage, and more seconds. He don’t need the team in the mountains, because only Salvodelli can help him. Çast year he have no help, In the mountais if Di Luca is at front (CG) he only controls Astana guy(Contador, Kloden), the others can attack frealy. Its my forecast…
Gerolsteiner, Rebellin demonstrated a good shape, tomorrow its a good oportunity to win. But the italian so far was bad in sprints, only win this year against Nocentini e Botcharov in Tour du Hau Var..
Rujano and Soler i think its very difficult for win.
Menchov is my big ?? for me
Astana guys are good at this time, a few seconds until now, in the next TT, he will maybe recover. Hope that no Astana takes the maglia rosa in TT, because will be a boring in the mountains…
by semprenaroda on
May 13, 2008 6:56 PM EDT
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Amen brother, Amen...
Hope that no Astana takes the maglia rosa in TT, because will be a boring in the mountains.
I agree with that 1000%. I want epic “BenHur rowing the Roman Galley into Combat” action in the mountains, not everyone peeking at the competition wondering who’s going to try until it’s too late to try.
============= Daniel
by crashdan on
May 13, 2008 7:10 PM EDT
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Soler in last year's TdF Time Trials...
Stage 13 – Albi… 5:42 behind Cadel Evans / 4:32 behind Contador (6:56 behind a Vodka Blooded Vinokourov )
Stage 19 – Cognac – Angoulême… 5:28 behind Levi Leipheimer / 3:10 behind Contador
I’m not liking Soler’s chances in the Giro for GC. Di Luca is, as I said, a bit of a cypher for me but less so thanks to the posts above.
It certainly sounds like this is going to get very, very interesting. I can’t wait :D :D :D :D :D :D
============= Daniel
by crashdan on May 13, 2008 6:18 PM EDT 0 recs
All the more reason
he should be loaded for bear here. How long are the TTs in the Tour? This is the best chance he’ll ever have at a grand tour, unless he hits the wind tunnel a lot.
by Chris... on
May 13, 2008 6:49 PM EDT
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Distances...
Stage 13: 54km nicely rolling terrain
Stage 19: 55.5km slightly rolling terrain
Compared with 39.4k stage 10 to Urbino, 12.9k hell stage to Plan de Corones and 28.5k final stage.
It’s feeling sort of apples/oranges to me.
============= Daniel
by crashdan on
May 13, 2008 7:08 PM EDT
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Tour TT's
Much, much longer. Much. You can hemorrage time on 50+ km as a climber. But 40 km is much more manageable, even better to go 28.5. The time gaps have a way of just going exponentially wider up around 50 km between the climbers and the passisti. The last time the Giro had a long ass chrono it was the Basso’s extraterrestrial year. I think Simoni dropped like six minutes on that thing, and Cunego wasn’t much better.
Soler’s chances are much better here at the Giro, with the shorter time trial. That Plan de Corones stage is a gift for a guy like him. Also, the climbs are to some degree harder in Italy than the Alpes, which gives the climbers an even better chance to throw down some big rides.
by gavia on
May 13, 2008 9:53 PM EDT
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three sentences
“Si Contador ganara el Giro, sería humillante” by Toni Colom roomate of Contador
by Di Luca: ’’Hay que eliminar a Contador cuanto antes’’ oh yes…
CAVENDISH: THIS IS MY BIGGEST WIN
i don’t think so, maybe in paper but against the other riders… The two victories in Scheldeprijs Vlaanderen, first against Mcewen, this year against Boonen.Was
memorable.
by semprenaroda on May 13, 2008 7:12 PM EDT 0 recs
Somebody got a good translation?
Is Colom saying “If Contador were to win the Giro, it would be humiliating.”?
I get that Di Luca is saying “It’s necessary to eliminate Contador immediately.”
This year’s Giro seems thus far like a demolition derby - we’re going to see who’s left standing by the time we hit the mountains. Is this not the best race of the year? Cripes.
I also want to add that Di Luca did more than just “hang on” last year —the guy was effing MURDEROUS -- he took SIXTH on that stage 15 soul-killer, just behind goats like Ricco and Piepoli.
by 72andSunny on
May 13, 2008 8:51 PM EDT
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Wait,
was Colom saying, “If Contador were to win the Giro, THEY would be humiliated.”?
by 72andSunny on
May 13, 2008 8:52 PM EDT
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i think you don't get it, i'm not sure?
“If Contador wins the Giro, this would be a humiliation” (for eveybody), in general. its an indirect for someone, maybe organizers because of three weeks invitation, maybe the italian riders.
Colom says that Contador isn’ at 100% right now, but in last week maybe will have some surprises…
by semprenaroda on
May 13, 2008 9:16 PM EDT
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Yes, everybody
I read that to mean the sport as a whole for excluding Contador from the Tour, the Italian riders for getting taken in their home race by an under-prepared Spaniard, and the race organizers for the last-minute invite.
by gavia on
May 13, 2008 9:46 PM EDT
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Piepoli and Ricco
were in a break all day so shouldn’t really compare DiLuca with them – Ricco isn’t really a goat (or wasn’t last year). Did drop all the others in the top 5 though. Could it be that DiLuca is better on really long hard mountain stages rather than shorter high-mountain stages like the Zoncolan last year? He has a big classics engine after all.
by Rothko on
May 13, 2008 9:03 PM EDT
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Ricco
One question, Ricco is okay with the hand, he will try win tomorrow?
Honestly if i bet in the mountais for stage wins, like last year i prefer Piepoli, Ricco or maybe Simoni than Di Luca. But Di Luca maybe is more regular…
by semprenaroda on
May 13, 2008 9:25 PM EDT
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ricco?
Yes, the finish should suit him well. I think he goes for it.
by gavia on
May 13, 2008 9:30 PM EDT
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Nah
he sounds like the hand is pretty limiting right now. Can’t stand up and pound.
by Chris... on
May 13, 2008 11:29 PM EDT
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You think?
Could be so. I’m having a hard time telling what’s true and what’s drama with that one.
by gavia on
May 13, 2008 11:42 PM EDT
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Escapists?
I’m sure they will try. No doubt CSC will put someone in the break, since they lost both their sprinter and their leadout guy yesterday (Oof, how fun would it have been to watch McGee lead out OGrady?). No one is really going to let Jens! go this early in the game though. The Italian kids have to get theirs first.
LPR, Quicky, and Gerol will all ride to ensure the break is brought back in a timely manner. No question. The sprinters’ teams can chill, but there’s plenty of legs there to bring it all back together either for an uphill sprint finish or a late attack from someone like Bettini. Even Saunier might help out some. Bettini, Ricco, Diluca, they all will want to win here, GC hopes or no. This is one way in which the Giro is raced differently than the Tour. Simoni always sits back and waits, he is very much a stage racer at heart. But he’s more the exception than the rule among the Italians, like Ricco, Diluca, and Cunego (though he’s become more patient with age.) They like to win early and often. Diluca’s tactics last year worked on that course, but I’m skeptical that his early and often scheme will work this time around. The time bonuses may help, but the high mountains are significantly harder than last year and will, with a little help from those pesky chrono thingies, decide the race.
Liquigas actually has not worked all that hard to keep the jersey. The sprinters’ teams have done a good bit of the pacemaking. Really, I don’t know what LPR was doing today working on the front so much. Or, yesterday either. Diluca isn’t going to win a flat sprint in this lifetime, or at least, not at a grand tour. Astana is playing it far smarter at this point than LPR, and Diluca may pay for his impatience here. Such a spaz that Diluca.
I doubt Liquigas gives the jersey away, though Diluca is certainly going after it all hot and heavy. The idea that a team “gives away the jersey:” it’s one of those odd tactical “rules” that the Armstrong years invented. Few teams really intend to give it away, eventually, it just goes. Tomorrow, I’d expect it to pass on to Diluca, but Pellizotti will contest the finish, I suspect. He’s no slouch on an uphil finish either.
Stages like this are one of my fave parts of the Giro, and part of what makes it my fave race of the year. There’s just always something happening.
by gavia on May 13, 2008 9:44 PM EDT 0 recs
giving it away
OK, hear ya. But if I were DS and were serious about the overall, I’d mimic Bruyneel. This is a really hard race to control for three weeks. It’s not like the 07 Vuelta.
by Chris... on
May 13, 2008 11:31 PM EDT
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right, except...
I don’t think Liqui is doing much in the way of controlling. The sprinters and LPR – for whatEVAH reason, probably Diluca’s antz in his pantz – are doing most of the work.
by gavia on
May 13, 2008 11:38 PM EDT
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Contador
Did folks notice how on that last rise today how he was out in front, testing his legs, getting in shape? I think what gavia wrote above is interesting, First:
Even Saunier might help out some. Bettini, Ricco, Diluca, they all will want to win here, GC hopes or no. This is one way in which the Giro is raced differently than the Tour. Simoni always sits back and waits, he is very much a stage racer at heart. But he’s more the exception than the rule among the Italians, like Ricco, Diluca, and Cunego
Then:
The idea that a team "gives away the jersey:" it’s one of those odd tactical "rules" that the Armstrong years invented. Few teams really intend to give it away, eventually, it just goes.
Well we know Bruyneel is racing a Tour type race and so probably is Menchov and Soler as well as Simoni and CSC and CdE. So this is especially fun- different philosophies on how to run such a race. Its like the old saying about chess: A chess match is an argument on how to play the game of chess.
by ursula on May 13, 2008 10:44 PM EDT 0 recs
very interesting view (ursula and gavia)
I really don’t noticed this yet ..its like you say.
i’m learning very much here. Thank you.
by semprenaroda on
May 13, 2008 10:53 PM EDT
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yes and no...
Those guys – Menchov and Soler don’t have much chance to win early even if they wanted to. No speed. Simoni can rip one on occasion, but he wins in the high mountains or not at all. Makes sense to be patient. It was interesting to see Contador stretching his legs – I think he waits, but if an opportunity for a stage win arose, well, I wouldn’t at all be surprised to see him take it. I don’t think he has the speed to go up against Bettini and the Spastic Italians.
LOL, love that – a grand tour is an argument about how to ride a grand tour. Suweet.
by gavia on
May 13, 2008 11:41 PM EDT
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