Giro d'Italia Stage 5... LIVE!
by Chris... on May 14, 2008 2:15 AM EDT
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Giro d'Italia Stage 5... LIVE!
Scroll down for something resembling a preview. This should be a terrific finish and a fight for the maglia rosa between holder Franco Pellizotti and his former captain Danilo DiLuca. There will be plenty of earlier slopes for LPR (or others) to play havoc with the race. As early stages with minimal time gaps available go, this one should be primo entertainment. Enjoy!
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Nuyens
fractured his right clavicle after that serious crash yesterday.
by Bruce Suomi on May 14, 2008 6:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Some race notes from VN:
02:14 PM: Despite the bumps and bruises . . .
. . . the bunch has been active today. The average speed for the first hour of racing was 44.6 km/h, and there has been a series of breakaway attempts. Big Maggy Backstedt had a go early on, but was pulled back; so, too, were Luis Laverde (CSF Group), Johannes Frohlinger (Gerolsteiner) and Theo Eltink (Rabobank).
02:17 PM: If at first you don’t succeed . . .
. . . but Laverde and Frohlinger had another go, and this time they got away, with David Millar (Slipstream) and Pavel Brutt (Tinkoff). Francisco Perez-Sanchez (Caisse d’Epargne) bridged to make it a five-some and we were off to the races.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on May 14, 2008 8:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Laverde
In the last two editions he won a stage in each. And was on the breakaway. I think last year it happens in stage 5 or 6, when Pinotti wins the maglia rosa.
by semprenaroda on May 14, 2008 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But,
It’s yesterday’s highlights so far
by PopUp Rolen on May 14, 2008 9:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Norway
Rocks….mmm mussels….(on the pre-show, I mean)...
by Roadent on May 14, 2008 9:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One more from VeloNews -
02:49 PM: Less than 100km to go . . .
. . . and our escapees – Luis Laverde (CSF Group), Johannes Frohlinger (Gerolsteiner), David Millar (Slipstream), Pavel Brutt (Tinkoff) and Francisco Perez-Sanchez (Caisse d’Epargne) – have a nine-minute advantage.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on May 14, 2008 9:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pellizotti
“The podium would be a good result, but this time I am racing to win.”.......NOT lol
by semprenaroda on May 14, 2008 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brutt
Is there a jersey in the Giro for most Kilometres spent in breakaways? I think he’s ridden more in breaks than in the bunch this season…
by Roadent on May 14, 2008 9:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's sick of hearing
the rest of the peloton yelling “Get a haircut!” at him so he’s better off riding alone.
by Jens on May 14, 2008 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's on my team
so I’m hoping they stay away and he gets second to Millar (sentimental pick).
"Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."
by Drew... on May 14, 2008 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I thought they were all sentimental pics
There must be some other explanation for their crappiness then.
by Jens on May 14, 2008 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
corsa
"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race
by ELVISGOAT on May 14, 2008 9:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just drizzle so far
but that could change quickly.
Anyone know where we are in the stage? Sounding like break away still full on, peloton not yet.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on May 14, 2008 9:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was he wearing a bib?
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on May 14, 2008 9:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nevermind.
I think I need to make my coffee on my table instead of in the kitchen so I don’t have to go get refils. :-)
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on May 14, 2008 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
radio corsa
by umwolverine on May 14, 2008 9:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hey, that's pretty nifty
It’s no tourtracker, but if it works, that’s an easy way to keep an eye on things. Thanks.
by Sui Juris on May 14, 2008 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you click on the images of the riders in the break, it will enlarge and you can see the names…
also, the radio corsa is available in several languages….
by umwolverine on May 14, 2008 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's pretty cool
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on May 14, 2008 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With rain on peloton
and not on break (yet), anyone think the break will make it?
The gap is slowly coming.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on May 14, 2008 9:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
G’ morning all.
I think they’ll catch the break
by dwilson on May 14, 2008 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
another bridge
"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race
by ELVISGOAT on May 14, 2008 9:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Going to have to visit Italy/Sicily sometime. It looks beautiful!
by dwilson on May 14, 2008 9:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Morning all
Looks like Slipstream is trying to make something happen
by Jimbo... on May 14, 2008 9:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok - how do you ride off the road
going uphill?
"Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."
by Drew... on May 14, 2008 9:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see it but 100$ says he was on my VDS
by Jens on May 14, 2008 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And another $100 says that if he was on mine he is has some how broken his collarbone too
Zabriskie, Mcgee, O Grady and now Nuyens The short story is that if you are in the Giro and on my VDS team and you fall down, you break something.
Can someone please tell Milllar and McEwen to be real, real careful?
by muk on May 14, 2008 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have all four?
You must be the mother of all jinxes.
by Jens on May 14, 2008 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding me?
4 of your guys have crashed out? I don’t know whether to laugh or cry for you.
"Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."
by Drew... on May 14, 2008 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are not helping :-)
So, given McEwen’s chances in other races this year, like the TDF, you can probably understand my reaction in watching yesterday’s finish – Nuyens was on Robbie’s wheel when he went down….
by muk on May 14, 2008 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pobably had Arroyo
to start it all off. That’s some serious jinx action goin’ on there.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on May 14, 2008 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dolphins killing sharks
baffeling commentary this morning… :-)
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on May 14, 2008 10:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dolphins will attack Sharks
"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race
by ELVISGOAT on May 14, 2008 10:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And to think I thought they were so adorable
when I swam with them down in Cancun. I might have to rethink that in the future… :-)
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on May 14, 2008 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did those have blond curly hair too?
‘cause that would freak me out.
by Jens on May 14, 2008 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we see crickets attacking cobras as well
it might be a sign the world is coming to an end.
by Jens on May 14, 2008 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do they call him "The Dolphin"?
Does he wear Dolphin shorts?
by Jimbo... on May 14, 2008 10:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he looks like one
big nose
"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race
by ELVISGOAT on May 14, 2008 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fini
"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race
by ELVISGOAT on May 14, 2008 10:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
on greasy wet road too!
It’s going to get really intresting pretty quick.
by Ryan_Liles on May 14, 2008 10:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who are these people
who go out and grease the roads before the Giro every year? Is it like a tradition to take all your leftover lard and smear the asphalt?
by Jens on May 14, 2008 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surplus
olive oil.
"Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."
by Drew... on May 14, 2008 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crap, I'm paying for that too
with all the taxmoney going to farmsubsidies.
by Jens on May 14, 2008 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but they are paying
for your surplus penis enlargers, baby
by Jimbo... on May 14, 2008 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no such surplus
US demand is infinite. Anyway that kind of thing is not my bag, baby.
by Jens on May 14, 2008 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but
watch out when the frickin’ sharks get frickin’ LASERS.
by Sui Juris on May 14, 2008 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
CN - Levi
16:00 CEST
Astana has the luxurious problem of which of its three stars will be the captain. German Andreas Klöden was the nominal captain going it, but don’t count out Levi Leipheimer. The American has gotten off to a quiet start, but is only 40 seconds back in the 23rd spot. It’s too early for him yet, he told Cyclingnews. “I definitely need some time to…well, I am a rider who usually does well in the third week, when everybody else gets tired.”
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on May 14, 2008 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I keep missing the "K remaining" updates
how far do they have now?
by Jimbo... on May 14, 2008 10:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ctv
I’ve been at 1200 this morning which has been great – up until now. Now both 1200 and 800 are getting choppy. What is up with that?!?
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on May 14, 2008 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The end of the race is nearing
Nothing else could happen.
by Sui Juris on May 14, 2008 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i missed LPR backing it off
"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race
by ELVISGOAT on May 14, 2008 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
people log in to see the finish.
we tell them when to do it.
by JFS_PGH on May 14, 2008 10:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
only 100 k to go now
"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race
by ELVISGOAT on May 14, 2008 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why did they cancel the race?
Guess we will have to wait until tomorrow
by Jimbo... on May 14, 2008 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the rain botched the feed
everyone will just have to watch the highlights later. No need to try and log in….
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on May 14, 2008 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah, great ad for the bike
wonderfully balanced, very light, flew well. Maybe if he has a chain sponsor, they should complain.
by JFS_PGH on May 14, 2008 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RAI is really choppy too
It’s great as long as there is no commentary, but as soon as the audio kicks in, the picture starts stuttering.
by Hons on May 14, 2008 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2:09
With 10K to go for the bunch…it will be very close – all depends on the last hill…
by Roadent on May 14, 2008 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if they stqy away
millar or the CdE guy?
by JFS_PGH on May 14, 2008 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anti-Mafia t-shirts?
What did those say?
by Roadent on May 14, 2008 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There we go
Nocentini a BornFromJetter crashes
by Jens on May 14, 2008 10:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brutt
caught that kickly!
And now Millar jumps off front.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on May 14, 2008 10:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if you are a CTV rep,
I will be complaining about you to your CEO. I BOUGHT AN ENTIRE NEW LAPTOP AND FLIP-4-MAC, following the suggestions from the people here who had the FEWEST problems, to make this work. This is INCREDIBLY insulting.
by JFS_PGH on May 14, 2008 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
great bike toss
"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race
by ELVISGOAT on May 14, 2008 10:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
THAT SUCKS!
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on May 14, 2008 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my feed unfroze
right as millar tossed his bike… normally I would bitch about that, but that was pretty funny
by Jimbo... on May 14, 2008 10:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hey, CTV
nothing from you in the last 3k, so far.
You really really suck.
by Sui Juris on May 14, 2008 10:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
complete fucken assholes
I too missed the end.
by orangekick on May 14, 2008 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure they're going to
“look into it”. Just like every other time this happens.
Maybe if they spent less time complaining to other outlets about feed availability and more time working on the product we paid for, their customers wouldn’t hate them so much.
by Sui Juris on May 14, 2008 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morning all...
Just tuned into CTV… I suck.
============= Daniel
by crashdan on May 14, 2008 10:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
very small peloton
comes in 30+ secs, Bettini leading it in…
by Bruce Suomi on May 14, 2008 10:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The worst
is that I think he was about to jump.
by Hons on May 14, 2008 10:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Having seen him just make a move before that
he had the legs to give it hell to the finish. That just sucks. I think he could’ve done it.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on May 14, 2008 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched ctv
from the time it turned on, and as soon as Millar tossed his bike, frozen.
While not as frustrated as Millar, I’m pretty flustered
by PopUp Rolen on May 14, 2008 10:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Norwiegen feed in Real player
worked great til the end.
IT is also free, yeah
If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when are you going to have time to do it again?
by CannonDowell on May 14, 2008 10:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, let's not talk too much about that
or CTV will start whining to them and kill it the way they did the Eurosport feeds.
by Sui Juris on May 14, 2008 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
toss
"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race
by ELVISGOAT on May 14, 2008 10:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Full extension and follow through...
I wonder if he’s been practicing that move by tossing cabers.
============= Daniel
by crashdan on May 14, 2008 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's so unprofessional
I don’t care who throws their bike, it is just not cool.
Yeah, he was having one of the best days he’s had in a year, or so and he might have won, but to toss his bike?
That is so disrespectful to his team support, his sponsors, and to the race.
Lame, just lame.
by Ryan_Liles on May 14, 2008 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In his defense...
Sometimes you just gotta throw something. Better the bike than a tifosi :D
============= Daniel
by crashdan on May 14, 2008 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry... probably supposed to be...
“tifosa”. I don’t know Italian.
============= Daniel
by crashdan on May 14, 2008 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he is a professional.
This is his job, and he is supposed to be acting like that instead of some bratty 10 yo.
He could have cyclocrossed it to the line and got what?
4th or 5th (?), and huge props on top of it.
by Ryan_Liles on May 14, 2008 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you cycle cross it
with no friggin chain?
I think the timing of that mechanical entitled him to some tossing today.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on May 14, 2008 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pick it up and carry it
seriously.
by Sui Juris on May 14, 2008 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm an inveterate bike tosser from my early days...
... I can recall, and I’m not joking about htis, being about seven or eight years of age, trying to learn to keep my balance without training wheels, and tossing that goddamn thing right across the garage.
After five hours in the saddle, and you rise up from your saddle to give it the finishing kick and your machine fails you, well, there’s been a couple times I would have thrown my motorcycle given the opportunity. This was frustration, unprofessional is throwing the bike AT someone.
============= Daniel
by crashdan on May 14, 2008 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I threw my bike in the middle of the SM100 last year
And then I had to climb down 40 feet to get it (and drag it back up 40 feet to the trail).
Once was enough, I think :)
by Sui Juris on May 14, 2008 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude
I so saw someone do that in a mountain bike race once. He was all pissed cuz his der jammed. So he tossed his bike. Then, he stood there in the middle of the trail. like duh, now what do I do. Funniest shit ever.
by gavia on May 14, 2008 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, that was pretty much me
perhaps if I’d done a better job of channeling my anger, I’d have finished. Ah well. There’s always this year.
by Sui Juris on May 14, 2008 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not tossing the bike but
once I was riding off road with a buddy and crashed on a really rocky section, sending my friend off in gales of laughter. Being super pissed but not wanting to damage the bike (or walk home) I picked up a big rock and threw it at the rock that brought me down…. which subsequently broke and ricocheted back into my shin – further crippling and infuriating me and causing my friend to almost cough up his diaphragm in laughter.
If that had been captured on video I would probably watch it once a day even though I looked like a complete jackass. It was pretty funny in retrospect.
"Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."
by Drew... on May 14, 2008 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
I would never let you forget that, if I’d been riding with you. Hilarious.
by Sui Juris on May 14, 2008 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
later that same summer I caused us both to crash while sprinting through a big puddle on the trail (note to self – tires shift in mud) going full out. He took the worst of it by far so in a way I had my revenge :-)
I guess that’s why I like cross too…....
"Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."
by Drew... on May 14, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You run.
That’s so unprofessional
Just like in the movie – Breaking Away!!!
Haha.
I think that would have been so much cooler then to toss a 10K bike, which in the process destroyed a lot of parts, so his mechanic will now get to build him a completely new bike on top of his normal daily duties.
Just my opinion, and I do respect your opinion, I just disagree with it all the same.
by Ryan_Liles on May 14, 2008 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why I love this site
We mostly all agree to disagree and I don’t think any of us (less maybe ctv) is nailed for any opinions given. I’m okay with that bike toss as I felt that frustration for him. I’m not sure what my thought would’ve been to have have seen him stop and just wait to see all pass him by. It was heated moment and he really wanted a stage win here and had form to get one. Mechanicals just suck. But I agree with the points on more damage to the bike and more work for the mechanics. Glad its over and still feeling for him as gosh darn it, that just really did suck.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on May 14, 2008 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Gosh Darn It"???
Are you sure you’ve been around this site before?
============= Daniel
by crashdan on May 14, 2008 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I try not drop the f*bombs too often. Plus I’m keeping low on coffee intakes this morning.
Weekends are usually better. :-)
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on May 14, 2008 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, if I had to limit saying f***
I’d be partially mute.
"Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."
by Drew... on May 14, 2008 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Si
It hurts to see a bike like that thrown. That’s a lot of cash right there, and a huge amount of effort for someone who stayed up most of the night working on it. I agree with your point about professionalism, also. I totally understand the disappointment, but man, it just looks kinda childish. I suppose my view is influenced a bit too by a lot of years of coaches demanding graciousness and good humor whatever the circumstances.
by gavia on May 14, 2008 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HARUMPH
At first, I understood his frustration. But I’m onboard with Ryan, it’s soooooo unprofessional. Forget the bad example to youngsters, it’s a spit in the face of those of us who pay for/maintain our own stuff, not-to-mention his mechanics who will, no doubt, stay up late tonite prepping, not only his, but the rest of his teammates bike (is that enough commas for one sentence?).
by itswells on May 14, 2008 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually...
you’ve exhausted your quota. no more commas for you.
by gavia on May 14, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 K on asphalt with cleats or barefoot?
Don’t get fooled by the speed or the foreshortening. As my husband points out, he’d have come in after the peloton.
by JFS_PGH on May 14, 2008 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His chain broke at 450m from the line
I did not realize he was still that far out.
So yes, the peloton would have passed him.
Think F1 racing, or Motorcycle GP, or even NASCAR; heck even Motorcross!
Would any of those guys consciously destroy their vehicle just because of a mechanical?
No way.
They might be super pissed, and do all sorts of things, but they never trash their ride.
That said, proper form is like a golf swing.
He needs to lock out the left arm and push through with his hips if he wants to really optimize his toss.
Hahaha, ah well.
by Ryan_Liles on May 14, 2008 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bike care
I think he showed the maturity that age provides. While Ricco tossed his bike across the line, he threw it on the road. Millar has the sense to throw his bike over the barriers onto the grass thus minimizing the scratches to the paint job.
by Hons on May 14, 2008 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cycling TV
Why do you hate your customers?
by Jimbo... on May 14, 2008 10:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Norwegian TV is great
Better quality than anything CTV has.
by Roadent on May 14, 2008 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if I'm ever going to watch
cycling in peace—I’ll have to stop cursing CTV and finally move on.
by orangekick on May 14, 2008 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of people don’t, whereas people who have problems seem to have them just about every time they view a race. There must be some kind of optimal computer configuration - and a few less-than-optimal computer configurations - that’re causing it? It’s certainly something we’ll (at the risk of incurring Sui Juris’s wrath…) look into.
by CTV-ROLD on May 14, 2008 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lots of people...???
when the feed goes down on my computer—twenty other people on this thread from various places around the world also complain.
by orangekick on May 14, 2008 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't try this shoving stuff off on your customers
Seriously, the problem is you, and not me. I’m sure we could come up with dozens of different configurations that experienced the exact same problem.
by Sui Juris on May 14, 2008 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you even read my post? It wasn’t intended to call your computer a pile of crap—it was speculation that there could be something wrong with the CTV site that makes it only like particular configurations and that if this is the case we’ll try to determine what it is and either fix it or let you know what you need to do to at your end to make it work.
by CTV-ROLD on May 14, 2008 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read it
and my reaction is exactly the same. You guys have had what, three years now to determine what the “optimum configuration” is for viewing your service and you have not yet tried to figure it out? Or you have tried but have not yet been able to figure it out? Come on. I would totally be willing to help provide you with the feedback you need to solve this if you would just fucking ask for it. I bet a lot of others here would as well.
by Jimbo... on May 14, 2008 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I’m asking. I’ll forward any feedback that doesn’t say “You suck” to the necessary people.
by CTV-ROLD on May 14, 2008 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather keep it public
you can cut and paste it to the right people.
Your feed freezes at times that we can reasonably expect people to be loggin in, in large numbers, and trying different feeds to see what the best feed is that works for them. Once it hangs, we’re left “tugging” the little tracker button back and forth past the point where it hangs, to try to get both picture, sound, and an ungoing feed. I suspect you have someone who’s calculating the bandwidth and load relative to the number of subscribers or the number of people signing in, without compensating for the repeated “clicks” to try to load 1200 kbps, 800, 400, etc.
It is arguably possible that there could be a bottleneck “downstream” from your servers, in the internet. If that has to do with the feed into your building, pony up for a fatter “pipe.” It could, remotely possibly, be constriction at an internet node that you feed through. In that case, maybe you need to send to a couple of mirror sites elsewhere in the world, and handle your traffic from those.
However, in minor races, the problem is even worse, making me think that it is YOUR assignment of bandwidth right inside CTV. Someone is making bad choices based on either economics or a misunderstanding of how actual users use the site. Possibly, the site keeps space reserved after each attempt at a particular streaming speed, and chokes itself up until someone complains, and someone else goes in and hits a reset. Presumably, when we complain to Rebecca about breakup or freezing, and then she says “is it better now?” 3 minutes later, and it IS better, she has asked the right person to do their job better.
In case this is too long, I will ALSO e-mail it to you.
by JFS_PGH on May 14, 2008 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tell you what
I will gladly provide you with whatever feedback you would like. What do you guys want to know? Start a Fan Post and give us a list… browser version, media player, OS, type of ISP… I will even invite you over to my house to see for yourself if that will help. I’ll provide the beer…. and while people around the Podium Cafe are very cool to each other, I guarantee you that as soon as we start charging each other for a service, and then fail to provide that service, the gloves will come off… So thanks for trying (sincerely) and please don’t give up, but we will probably all continue to tell you that your service sucks until it no longer sucks. Don’t take it personally. Just fix it. Then we will all get together and buy you a pony. And give you a foot massage. Actually, we will only give Rebecca a foot massage. And maybe Brian and Anthony…
by Jimbo... on May 14, 2008 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude it is so you
your reply makes it sound like you’ve given up on improving your end
"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race
by ELVISGOAT on May 14, 2008 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, it's all our fault
which is why they added the last 10 minutes of yesterdays stage for us to see.
by orangekick on May 14, 2008 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is rushing out the final ten minutes of yesterday’s stage an indication that we DON’T care about our customers?
Guys: It sucks. Nowhere have I said it doesn’t. But we’ve got people trying to make it work, and myself and Rebecca monitor various websites to spot people’s problems and try to help. Until it stops sucking, that’s all I can do. Don’t shoot the messenger.
by CTV-ROLD on May 14, 2008 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so... when are you giving us
a better updated website…?
by orangekick on May 14, 2008 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bought an entire new laptop and flip for mac
to configure EXACTLY like the few people who were having the least problems. Rebecca is at least sane and non-insulting. You, on the other hand, are being incredibly, massively insulting, and your CEO should fire you if your boss doesn’t.
by JFS_PGH on May 14, 2008 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m very sorry to anyone who thought I was being insulting. Please accept my apologies.
by CTV-ROLD on May 14, 2008 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Context
The unfortunate part (I’m guessing for you as a person in this conversation) is that company you’re representing here has ZERO credibility in the eyes of many many users. I don’t know how many times we’ve been promised that a problem was fixed, or that “gosh, no one else is having that issue” has been tossed out, etc. Yet the very same problems replay themselves, time after time after time. So, either the customers are experiencing a collective break with reality, or CTV has established itself as being utterly incapable of holding up its end of the subscription bargain. So that’s the context in which anything from any CTV rep is going to be taken, I think.
by Sui Juris on May 14, 2008 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair
some problems have improved with a combination of
a) ideal OS and browser and flip-4-mac
b) bookmarking two or three versions of the login page directly
Things that have improved:
not kicking me out during login much anymore
The race itself and the option buttons almost always load (in the past, I got a lot of blank or black race viewers with no control buttons).
Fewer total site crashes
Now it’s mostly psychedelic breakup, and pauses / endless loops, with occasional total freezes of the viewer, which act as a “hold” on the picture AND incapacitate the slider button. That requires a reload of the page. It wouldn’t be so dire, except it increases in severity over the course of the race, and it almost always happens somewhere during the last 10K. That’s what still sucks for everyone, no matter how they have worked to align themselves with CTV’s process and preferences.
by JFS_PGH on May 14, 2008 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
somewhat similar, here
Once the login occurs (not a given on the first, second, or third try), I’m generally in. This was not the case at the beginning of the season, but seems to have become more reliable of late. And yes, complete site crashes aren’t common.
However, the video I’m clicking doesn’t always show up, and when it does, it results in the situation you describe in your last paragraph (tho’ I’ve rarely been able to manipulate the slider). These problems are common to all browsers and platforms I’ve tried (Mac/Win x IE/Firefox/Safari). The feed manageability is somewhat better if you just run it through VLC, but that does nothing for the progressive worsening of the quality as the race progresses.
I am willing to bet that this is a network problem. It is not a end-user config problem. If a CTV engineer can come on here and demonstrate that it is my computer settings that cause this, I will apologize and STFU. Otherwise, CTV needs to get on it and get this fixed. The longer it lets this go, the more damage it’s doing to its own future.
by Sui Juris on May 14, 2008 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was only speculating because I know certain configurations improve performance of the site.
Having read the replies, it seems like there’s certainly a very good case for it being network problems, so I’m not exactly going to argue with the people who’re having the problem and seem to understand where it’s coming from. You’re probably right. I’m happy to apologise.
It’s being investigated right now.
by CTV-ROLD on May 14, 2008 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I’ve gathered that CTV’s name is mud on here, and I’d say rightly so if so many people have encountered these problems time and time again. I guess I was just trying to discuss the problem and work out where to go from there—it’d probably beat another apology that doesn’t get anything done.
I’ve just sent an email out to the whole company about the loss of the feed today, which has riled some feathers, so you can believe me when I say that we really are looking it.
Reading my message back, I can see why it’d get the reaction it did, especially in the broader context. But… uhhh… I think we should have Rebecca watching over Podium Cafe again from now on, yes?
by CTV-ROLD on May 14, 2008 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you realize that the reason you get so many complaints
is the fact that the service you are supposed to provide is what we are all dreaming of. All the greater the disappointment when you continually fail at what seems to be very basic functions(and seemingly not making improvements, even after years of failing).
by Jens on May 14, 2008 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
.
But… uhhh… I think we should have Rebecca watching over Podium Cafe again from now on, yes?
It’s not personal. I’d like to think that anyone who enjoys cycling would feel welcome here.
by Sui Juris on May 14, 2008 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, though you might want to change your login name [wink]
...if you want to join us and talk trash.
by JFS_PGH on May 14, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To put in in perspective for US and THEM
similarly, I figure every time we put up screen snap with a “this is great, if you had CTV you’d be seeing this,” we’re doing free adverts for you. At the same time, given the current CTV attitude, each time we do it, I have to wonder, is some lame-brain in your legal department going to try to sue our asses off? We’re not feeling the love anymore.
by JFS_PGH on May 14, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
perspective:
When CTV started, people were about ready to wet themselves to have a streaming cycling feed, and people were feeling the love for the premium channel.
http://www.podiumcafe.com/2006/4/16/82738/2495
Since then, we have worked on, and worked out, a lot of problems with CTV’s help, and jumped through a lot of hoops. You can follow the course of improvements, and frustrations…and a LOT of hoop-jumping on our part.
2006: http://www.podiumcafe.com/2006/10/2/201357/076
2007: http://www.podiumcafe.com/2007/3/3/25956/65669
2007: http://www.podiumcafe.com/2007/6/14/9381/19416
2008: http://www.podiumcafe.com/2008/3/1/13719/07743
Where has the love gone? Well, for one thing, CTV has taken to strong-arming the silly little 1-inch feeds (silent or in estonian or urdu or I don’t know what). When you can’t provide reliable coverage beginning to end, you shouldn’t act like Microsoft. Unless and until you are darn-near infallible for all your subscribers, you ought to be putting links for those guys on your site as a backup option, not killing them dead outside of their home markets. You need to be a team player, not an arm-waver who cuts off the little guys just to watch them tumble.
by JFS_PGH on May 14, 2008 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Was it the chain or the pedal that screwed Millar?
I couldn’t see
by Jens on May 14, 2008 10:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
chicken or egg
very hard to tell
Still trying to figure out what this did with his time.
by Sui Juris on May 14, 2008 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure
that there will be a full write up onver at the slipstream site. They are great about posting post race reports.
by Hons on May 14, 2008 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I could see something hanging in the back
So I’d guess chain or maybe the derailleur exploded.
Does Slipstream use Shimano, Campy, or SRAM?
by .cjb. on May 14, 2008 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vaughters comment
from the Slipstream site:
I’ve been reviewing some Aztec sacrificial procedures the last few hours. Somehow, I think I’ve gotten it wrong. The manual is very hard to read to say the least, and the animals in our neighborhood seem to have become scarce recently. It’s either that or the fax to the Devil releasing my soul got stuck in the machine. I don’t know. But one way or another, we need to change something around here.
Got to love the sense of humor!
by Katiek on May 14, 2008 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weak dollar?
Is it the weak dollar that makes you hate us?
by Jimbo... on May 14, 2008 10:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the dollar would have to drop a lot farther
before we start seeing a match up in value between the sub price and the service given.
by Sui Juris on May 14, 2008 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Shit.... Tinkoff Won Something
============= Daniel
by crashdan on May 14, 2008 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
CTV? Nein danke
the Norwegian feed worked fine for me. Couple that with the comments here and the moving graphics from the Gazzeta feed, and I had a pretty good grip on the action.
by pigilito on May 14, 2008 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
same t-shirt
Is that a local public service shirt? Or did we just see a little bit of political action there?
by Sui Juris on May 14, 2008 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Clinical defnition
Is there some mental illness defined by the repetition of the same activity, expecting a different outcome from the consistent result?
by johnw on May 14, 2008 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ricco vs Millar
Well in this exciting contest, Millar is the old crafty veteran, with his most notable early bike throwing beingf last year in the Tour on the last TT. Excellent toss by David that day. And this day was artful with the toss over the barriers. And has he even finished yet?
But you have to hand it to the excellent extincts of the Cobra who at least throws his bike over the finish line. Multi-tasking by Ricco- throwing AND finishing.
by ursula on May 14, 2008 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Millar has better technique, Ricco is more of a power-thrower
Today David used the very effective Riis-rotation to get optimal distance, it’s a thing of beauty to watch if it is performed correctly.
by Jens on May 14, 2008 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DIdn't he do this at the Vealta as well a few years back?
Seems to me that it was 2004ish (last year that Heras won I think) after that hellish climb in the fog up the 20+ gran climb (starts with an A but I can’t recall the name) and he tossed his bike and sat down before the finish and refused to finish.
Just spinning the pedals in the hills of Western Maryland
by natbla on May 14, 2008 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
It was an amazing Mountain Top finish, in the rain too!
Epic
Heras had to use a TRIPLE.
In fact, it was the first race thaat was ever won on a Dura Ace Triple.
Maybe the only?
Heras, and other real men finished that race without saying a word.
They just did their job and got it done.
by Ryan_Liles on May 14, 2008 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Incredible stage
I believe that was the Angrilu, although I may be wrong? Hopefully it was, since it’s in the Vuelta again this year.
That was an epic stage.
by CTV-ROLD on May 14, 2008 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, first time up the Angliru
And I think one of his main complaints wasn’t the climb but the dangerous descent before it. (coming down the penultimate climb in CTV language)
by Jens on May 14, 2008 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it was the Angrilu
If my memory serves me, it is the longest climb in any GT, and it is always an epic day.
by Ryan_Liles on May 14, 2008 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not longest...
But one of the steepest. Simoni said last year that the Zoncolon from the direction they climbed it last year might be steeper, likewise for Plan de Corones. But Angliru is definitely close to the steepest and very, very, very difficult.
Longest is probably something like the Tourmalet or the Galibier.
by gavia on May 14, 2008 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stelvio perhaps?
When you se the pictures it looks endless.
by Jens on May 14, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah, that might be right
That’s a good candidate actually. It’s ridiculously long – what, 52 switchbacks? Crazy climb. Can’t wait to see it in the Giro again, actually, a fave of mine.
by gavia on May 14, 2008 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's put it in next year
and serve Ivan a healthy size portion of dodgy shellfish the night before and see if he likes it too…..
by Jens on May 14, 2008 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
l'ouch
In retrospect, there’s some poetic justice to that particular stage.
by gavia on May 14, 2008 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what happened
but it’s still moving to see the concern of his teammates on the summit. Bjarne arguing with him to abandon and Schleck offering his jacket to keep him warm. Why is it so hard to dislike St Ivan, I can’t bring myself to do it.
by Jens on May 14, 2008 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right there with ya
I can’t dislike the guy, no matter how many lame press conferences he gives and how much, on occasion, I distrust his PR spinning. I like the guy, and whatever the cause of the Stelvio Calvary, it was truly memorable bit of cycling.
by gavia on May 14, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the front wheel, right?
So you can take off the front wheel and leave the rest of the bike, right? (I’m sure that’s been ruled on somewhere.)
by JFS_PGH on May 14, 2008 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it considered bad form...
... to hose down the mayor of the locality you just crossed the finish line in with your grande bottle of prosecco?
============= Daniel
by crashdan on May 14, 2008 10:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent question Dan!
And the answer is yes! it is in god taste- and good luck too! The more vial the liquid the better and in days of yore riders would take natural breaks on the mayors.
by ursula on May 14, 2008 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure those were considered...
the “golden” days of podium presentations.
============= Daniel
by crashdan on May 14, 2008 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very apropriate
Breakaway in norwegian is “brudd” which is pronunced almost the same as “Brutt”
by Jens on May 14, 2008 11:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Which is funny because the Russian word for Gruppo Compatto...
... is Tinkoff.
============= Daniel
by crashdan on May 14, 2008 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My contribution for the day (hope it works...first picture attempt)
by PopUp Rolen on May 14, 2008 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 11 recs
this is what the Rec button is for :)
Well done.
by Sui Juris on May 14, 2008 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering my first experience with CTV...
... was trying to view de Ronde, all I can say is BEAUTIFUL!
============= Daniel
by crashdan on May 14, 2008 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude!!
If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when are you going to have time to do it again?
by CannonDowell on May 14, 2008 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make that a fanshot so we can all enjoy it on the front page
I would do it but I don’t want to take credit for your great artistic talent.
by Jens on May 14, 2008 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the least I can do
Still relatively new to pro cycling, but highly addicted now, so I figure I can contribute something to the party considering how much I have learned here.
by PopUp Rolen on May 14, 2008 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is funny
It would be even funnier if they didn’t already have my money
by Jimbo... on May 14, 2008 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well at least they don't auto-renew your subscription
by Jens on May 14, 2008 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, they do
Or at least PayPal does. I haven’t watched if for a year and it renewed. (More fool me)
by NE Observer on May 14, 2008 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get into Paypal
and cancel the auto renew. Great advice given here a few months back when I signed up for it.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on May 14, 2008 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noooooo, you don't say
That was the main gripe for a while (before the season when people started getting bigger, problems to complain about. Great company that C.TV.
by Jens on May 14, 2008 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm off to work...
... and in honor of Jimbo and PopupRolen and JFS_PGH and OrangeKick and Sui Juris and everyone else, I’m going to go around the office calling everyone “Asshat” and telling them they suck.
============= Daniel
by crashdan on May 14, 2008 11:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I decided he said that innocently, and told him so in e-mail
even if he needed to do some historical research (like, the last month) before posting.
Found this great etymology site on “asshat,” BTW:
http://www.mtannoyances.com/?p=341
by JFS_PGH on May 14, 2008 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Secret of my success...
Insult and demean people, but try to do it in a funny way…
by Jimbo... on May 14, 2008 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
diluca
They’re interviewing Diluca on the post-race. He said that the difference would be made in the last week, and that this course is different from last year. Interesting that he says this, in light of the discussion here yesterday about tactics. Maybe he’s been reading the cafe ;-)
by gavia on May 14, 2008 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
was hoping you were around
Help with this? “bene confiscado: qui la camorra ha perso” T-shirts on side of the road, and held up by a rider on the podium.
by Sui Juris on May 14, 2008 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
has to do with the southern mafia
It’s something about the Mafia, but I’m not quite sure of the significance. I’m looking around for an explanation at the moment…
by gavia on May 14, 2008 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roughly
Well done for confiscating [it?]: Here the Camorra has lost. But I don’t have a clue who confiscated what from the Camorra.
by Monty. on May 14, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd guess....
The authorities got all medieaval on them, the Camorra. But I couldn’t find any explanation of what actually happened in the press.
by gavia on May 14, 2008 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bruitt
That was as fabulously well-earned win! He’s done so much time in breaks over the last season or two, it’s nice to see him get one.
Interesting, that Liqui worked to defend. No “giving away” the jersey, there.
by gavia on May 14, 2008 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Each day in maglia rosa = € 1,000
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2008/giro08/?id=/features/2008/giro_classifications08
by Ryan_Liles on May 14, 2008 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally
And the exposure? Priceless.
We were chatting about this yesterday, and the idea of teams “giving away” the jersey for tactical reasons. About the only team I’ve ever seen do this is Lance/Bruyneel. Most teams defend until they have no choice but to give it up – ie, time bonuses on a stage win, a time trial, whatever. The effort to defend is small relative to the return of the daily exposure, whatever the team’s long term goals.
by gavia on May 14, 2008 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jens!
comes in eleven minutes down. no idea why.
by gavia on May 14, 2008 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
tomorrow's stage shortened
They’ve decided to shorten tomorrow’s stage by 34 km. Zomegnan is responding with this to the complaints of the riders about the transfers and the difficulty of the course.
by gavia on May 14, 2008 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's good to hear!
The stage was ridiculously long
by Bruce Suomi on May 14, 2008 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
millar
interviewed in French. di Stefano, says dommage, dommage. Millar said he was so angry – rage – he was ready for the sprint, hoping to win the stage. He wants to win a stage at this Giro, he’ll try again.
by gavia on May 14, 2008 11:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Popping in from work ---
So, who won the stage? Was it The Brute?
It's hard to be nostalgic when you can't remember anything. - Steve Allen
by Ruthann on May 14, 2008 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
pellizotti
little profile thingy of pellizotti.
such a cutey ;-)
by gavia on May 14, 2008 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Really? Someone here said he looked like a fish before
by Jens on May 14, 2008 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang, I knew I got that wrong
And it’s so obvious too. Naturally you could never teach a fish to use lasers, what was I thinking?
by Jens on May 14, 2008 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on Jens
It’s sharks that use lasers, not dolphins. And sharks are fish.
by Hons on May 14, 2008 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tomorrow's stage
looks super beautiful. cassani’s doing his little pre-ride feature right now.
by gavia on May 14, 2008 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
gavia, what
was the talk about Contador?
by Bruce Suomi on May 14, 2008 12:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
missed it, sorry
I heard it from the other room, and I’m not sure what was said. I think it was in the context of the GC faves.
Maybe Monty got it, I think he’s watching Italian feed…
by gavia on May 14, 2008 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks,
no probs.
it was DiLuca and the studio talking about him (and LL&Klödi, so surely something about the GC I’d guess). If someone heard it AND understood it would be great to hear…
Even though I don’t understand a word what they are saying, I really like the before and after studios!
Don’t know how the riders feel about it but for the public it’s great.
Just need to learn the language, then it would be perfect….
Thanks for the translations gavia, much appreciated!!!
by Bruce Suomi on May 14, 2008 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
I’ve been out today and left my PC recording the day’s coverage. I got the morning show, complete with Ilenia Lazzaro riding the stage on a video trainer, a couple of hours of some completely incomprehensible Italian form of billiards played without cues on a table with no pockets, the early part of the live coverage, then with about 30k to go the hard drive filled up and it stopped.
by Monty. on May 14, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say it all the time ...
If there is a better post-race read than right-cheer on the PdC, I ain’t seen it. Asshats to fish w/ lasers to bike-toss to Italian mafia. I get to read about the race while laughing my ass off.
So thanks everyone!
Phat Arses - On my signal, unleash Hell!
by notaero on May 14, 2008 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah... that whole fish / dolphin / mammal / shark bit...
... I couldn’t believe it. Could… Not… Believe… it. priceless stuff
============= Daniel
by crashdan on May 14, 2008 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Must... resist...
posting…. youtube video of Orca attacking a shark…
Nope. Here it is.
I dunno, somehow I take a little too much hometown pride in an Orca offing a shark.
by Chris... on May 14, 2008 11:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that was ok
but where are the lasers? huh?
by Hons on May 15, 2008 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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