Maglia Rosa Updates
Since there hasn't been a ton of movement between the favorites, I'll do this a bit on the brief side, and in groupings. This is not in order of likelihood of victory...
Chomping at the Bit
- Riccò -- Excellent one-two work with Piepoli today, demonstrating the Cobra's ongoing aggressiveness (despite his busted wrist) as well as the beauty of having a top lieutenant who can make hay on the climbs. Probably the top Italian contender at this point, depsite his injury sandbagging.
- DiLuca -- Il Killer showed what makes him so interesting today: gritting his teeth in defiance of his own body, willing himself not to crack. This kind of grinta is what makes him a great classics rider. But grinta won't cut it on the Mortirolo, alas. Also, chasing a teammate... it's business time at LPR.
- Menchov -- I'll add him here: he looked like he wanted to try something today. This is encouraging for a GC guy who can also time-trial. If he's approaching his Vuelta-winning form, he's a real threat.
- Suitsou -- Very aggressive. He and Possoni are both right in the midst of the contenders overall. Doesn't make him a favorite, but so far, so good.
- (Anker) Sorensen -- Ditto for him; looking good. Still a solid pick for best young rider.
- Sella! -- Terrific stage today but for the tragic, last KM puncture. Is there any doubting he cares? Ominous sign: hunting stage wins and KOM points doesn't usually translate into GC, though I wouldn't bet against it yet.
Holding Steady
- Simoni -- Careful not to show anything yet. He pretty much rides the same race at the Giro every year, focusing solely on the last week. Sounds odd, but it's worked twice and might one more time.
- Pellizotti -- Disastrous week for him off the bike, once the media discovered his likeness to Jennifer Grey. On the bike, however, he had some fun in pink and held his position just fine. Call it a split.
- Soler -- Crashes made for a miserable start and a two-minute deficit to Contador. Not his fault, and he might still go berserk in the Dolomites. Stay tuned.
- Nibali -- Nice job picking up some time (a minute or thereabouts) on the foreign contenders, save for Contador. He and Pellizotti have been a little more attentive to their GC placing this week, which is smart: like DiLuca and the Dolphin, they'll need those seconds (and more) later.
- Contador -- Aggressive today? More like defensive, just making sure nobody gets any serious amount of time. For his efforts here and earlier, he's managed to put a minute or two into almost everyone except the Chomping list up above. If you're sitting in the peloton, do you feel good about this?
- Kloden -- Quiet. Almost too quiet.
- Leipheimer -- Ditto.
- Pfannberger -- Ditto again. Insurance against Soler's bruises, but most likely just a plan B rider.
Sinking Fast
- Rujano -- because it's nice out and I'm in a good mood, I haven't consigned him to palookaville, where he probably belongs. But he's 14 minutes behind Contador. Game, set...
- Ardila -- nice to see him on the attack, but ultimately lost time to some bigger names, and is now already 3' down on guys he probably wasn't going to beat anyway. Not looking good.
- Karpets -- ditto here too.
Sayonara!
- Perez Cuapio -- Almost an hour out of the maglia rosa. I didn't see what happened. Anyone?
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Perez Cuapio
“Almost an hour out of the maglia rosa. I didn’t see what happened. Anyone?”
Yes – he discovered he sucked ass and started riding accordingly.
"Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."
by Drew... on May 16, 2008 3:51 PM EDT 0 recs
CSF this year
seem to have decided that stage wins and a minor jersey are much more important than the GC. Fair call.
by Rothko on
May 16, 2008 9:13 PM EDT
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Sella
Na, i think Sella can do a good GC, in top 15 like last year (11º).
The other guys go for the stages of course….But one win i think is good enough.
And mountains jersey aren’t a minor jersey….
by semprenaroda on
May 16, 2008 9:18 PM EDT
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Yes I forgot
“And mountains jersey aren’t a minor jersey….” – yes not in the giro! So many more minor classifications . . . but minor compared to the major jersey. Errrrm.
by Rothko on
May 16, 2008 9:22 PM EDT
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Young Rider
You really think Sorenson is going to beat Ricco? I think Ricco is solidly inline to take either the best young rider jersey or the best immature rider jersey…although he and Millar may have to have a toss-off to settle that last one.
by Hons on May 16, 2008 4:26 PM EDT 0 recs
Whoops
good catch. Forgot the cobra
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on
May 16, 2008 4:31 PM EDT
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Um
Let’s use a phrase other than ‘toss off’ to settle the immature rider jersey. Monty will be horrified when he reads that.
"Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."
by Drew... on May 16, 2008 4:43 PM EDT 0 recs
You can feel free to change it now,
I’ve gotten my laugh from it :-)
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on
May 16, 2008 4:44 PM EDT
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Come on Drew,
you know that there is no editing comments. I guess we’ll just have to put much worse comments further down so that this one doesn’t seem quite so inappropriate.
by Hons on
May 16, 2008 4:49 PM EDT
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Me? Nah.
I might try to sign you up to the Max Miller fan club though
by Monty. on
May 16, 2008 4:55 PM EDT
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Too funny
The Brits among us will be laughing themselves to sleep on that one…
by Jimbo... on
May 16, 2008 11:35 PM EDT
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Sella
I don’t think he’s serious about GC, more the stage hunter. From his interview comments, he desperately wants a stage win to match his previous in 2004. I’d also expect him to try to defend the KOM, but I’m not sure he can hold it.
It’s hard to picture Menchov chomping at the bit. But I’ll try. Really, I will.
Unless he really just isn’t fit – which I’m not sure I believe – it’s going to be hard for Simoni to bring back over a minute on Contador. Conta is going to have to have a very bad day on one of the mountain stages for that to happen. Anything’s possible, of course.
Nibali, Ricco, Diluca, and Save Ferris! are riding well so far. We’ll know in the third week if they’ve gone out too hard, which Simoni’s DS suggested may be the case.
by gavia on May 16, 2008 5:10 PM EDT 0 recs
Simoni
says that every year, only because he NEVER goes out too fast and thinks everyone else is wrong. Twice he was right. The other years… not so much.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on
May 16, 2008 6:24 PM EDT
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Yep
Totally. It’s as much a part of the Giro ritual as waiting for him to tell us what day the race actually begins. That, and which stage he will lose his temper. Perhaps Ricco will set him off? Or, will Contador earn the extraterrestrial label? These, my friends, are why one must watch the Giro with utmost seriousness.
by gavia on
May 16, 2008 7:27 PM EDT
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Hooray!
You finally got an avatar. Good on ya.
"Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."
by Drew... on
May 16, 2008 10:43 PM EDT
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meant to add...
That Peeps-Ricco duo is quite a menace to society when the road goes up. Yoix. I really wouldn’t want to have to race those kids.
by gavia on May 16, 2008 5:10 PM EDT 0 recs
GC take- is it over already?
As I read it, if you are looking towards Milan and the finish, things Do Not Look Good for most of the non-Astana riders here. We just got done the first week when the Astanas are supposed to be at their weakest due to no prep time. The next separating stage is stage 10, the 1st ITT. Then in a couple stages, the mountains. So I’m looking at the list Chris wrote and I’m seeing that no one was able to take advantage of the slow Astana start. Possibly the GC race is over already.
The three Astanas should be as good or better than everyone else in the TTs. The leaves the mountains where they just have to be as good because after stage 10 probably it will be an Astana who will be leading the GC contenders. Possibly they will be 1, 2. Possibly 1,2,3.
So then you have the prospect of beating two or three Astanas when they are playing defense in the mountains- knowing that they will kill in the final TT and probably in the stage 16 TT too. Sheesh.
I think Di Luca tried to put time in. I also think Ricco tried to stick with Di Luca. But they will both be behind both Contador and Kloden and (maybe Leipheimer if he brings his A game to the TT) heading into the mountains.
Again, I think Di Luca at least knows this and that’s why I think he’s gone for broke so early. But his strategy appears to have failed. For he and Ricco the sight of Contador matching their break today was probably the worst thing they could have seen. If it had gone according to their plans today’s stage would have been similar to stage 8 of the Tour last year, where Chicken raced off to his lead while the other GC guys looked at each other. If that had happened the mountains would have begun with the Astanas and other trying to attacking Di Luca and/or Ricco and they would then have had a hope. Oh well. Time for plan B.
That would be Menchov's plan. He at least can roughly hang with the Astanas in the TTs (well maybe not Kloden). So he can hope that they- all three of them- will crack in the mountains. Doubtful that will happen but he at least will be around to pick up the pieces if they do. I think his strategy will be to suck the Astana wheels as the other contenders drop away in the mountains.
For the rest, they will need to decisively beat the Astanas in the mountains. And I mean decisively since there are those 2 TT days where they will lose more ground. I am not saying the Astanas will win every mountain stage. Far from it. Various goats will win and various GC guys will win too. Just not enough stages to make a difference.
by ursula on May 16, 2008 6:03 PM EDT 0 recs
Anyone
can have a bad day. Especially a guy w/o ideal preparation. That’s the non-astana hope.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on
May 16, 2008 6:25 PM EDT
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Exactly
But now that this stage 7 is over I think that LPR, SDV, Liquigas at least should have attacked hard on these hilly stages. All out. I now think that the best chance to beat al three Astanas was this past week.
by ursula on
May 16, 2008 6:31 PM EDT
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I don't know how you beat Astana without doing it in the mountains...
You have to catch them when they’re having that bad day and just own it. How many minutes do you think LPR or Saunier would have needed by this time in the race to have, not necessarily crushed Kloeden or Contador outright, but to force them into being the aggressors? 3 minutes? 5? I don’t think there was enough time this first week to do that.
LIke semprenaroda said though… god help us if Astana gets the Rosa in the TT… it’ll be boring it they do.
============= Daniel
by crashdan on
May 16, 2008 6:56 PM EDT
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I hope that didn't sound too snarky...
I didn’t mean it to. As I said in the live thread this morning, I had a late night last night and that entails perhaps a more curt writing style than I intend :)
============= Daniel
by crashdan on
May 16, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
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the first ITT
i’m seeing the fist ITT profile and i bet here, that Contador or Kloden don’t overcome Di Luca if the 29secs remain. I think is very risk this bet, but i explain later when we talk about this TT.
Today, i see cleary the weaker in the mountains, was Di Luca… He was courageous but when Piepoli put the pace he almost gapped. Contador help him a lot today, Two times the spanish are on the weel of Di Luca, and had to overcome the italian to close the gap. And i’m not forgett the freaking face of Di Luca…lol..
If Contador reamaing always in wheels of yellow mens, Di Luca gapped
Despite he was first in stage, in real mountain he was last.(Di Luca)
This stage was a show of Ardennas vs Stage Racers like ursula and gavia say day/s ago.
Contador holds the pace but not in the explosive last kilometer. Di Luca was the opposite.
Makes the all sense that Contador don’t colaborate. Of course will don’t, this is the game that Astana will do in entire race, they only will try win in TT. In mountais they hold. Unless there is a super-Kloden or a magic beans(Dragonball) for Contador i don’t think they can win in the mountais against the yellow mens.
A guy who surprise me was Joaquim Rodriguez , he was unable to hold is true, but only the fact that respond the attacks, shows something.
by semprenaroda on
May 16, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
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Yellow guys
I dunno, Astana has a much better track record than Saunier Duval. Contador, Kloden and Levi are all tested. Ricco, Piepoli… what have they won? I agree they’re strong.
J-Rod: wondering about him too. Maybe he peaked at Pais Vasco? I am guessing his goals are Olympics, Worlds and Vuelta, not the Giro or Tour.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on
May 16, 2008 11:50 PM EDT
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yellow guys and rodriguez
“They all are tested”, but not in Giro, the yellow guys are. The yellow guys will be the best at mountains i think.
Despite that, i agree with you than at least one guy of Astana will be at front of Ricco in final GC. My bet is for Di Luca for GC because the better TT than ricco, but today i lost a little confidence of him, i confess.
Rodriguez is not a guy for a Big Tour, but probabily he now fights for GC because their “friends” have very bad classifications…
The most overemphasised team ever, lol.
But they suffered a big loose, with Arroyo will be diferent.
by semprenaroda on
May 17, 2008 12:17 AM EDT
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They suffered
along with my VDS team with Arroyo… :-)
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on
May 17, 2008 12:46 AM EDT
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Magic beans, ha!
I like that one :-)
Rodriguez is riding very well this season. It can’t be too much longer before a big result comes his way, I think.
I think eventually Contador attacks in the mountains, but I’d agree they will play very, very, tactical games.
by gavia on
May 17, 2008 10:44 AM EDT
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Ricco not happy with Contadore
Saying he secretly prepared for the Giro and was not on holiday when Astana got a late invitation.
by roadside on May 16, 2008 6:53 PM EDT 0 recs
Contador responded with a smile...
I’m surprised with how well I rode as well. This was one of the important stages of the Giro d’Italia
For those of you who don’t read Spanish that translates to: “Suck it Mr. Fancy Pants”
============= Daniel
by crashdan on May 16, 2008 7:10 PM EDT 0 recs
Or
“How dare you question the fundamental right - nay, duty - of professional cyclists to sandbag!” That said, Ricco’s comments were pretty tame.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on
May 16, 2008 7:12 PM EDT
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Is there
any sort of a time penalty for wearing those glasses?
by Katiek on
May 16, 2008 7:21 PM EDT
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there should be...
The UCI, so lagging on the important things.
by gavia on
May 16, 2008 7:22 PM EDT
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Comment of the week
Suck it Mr. Fancy Pants
And Ricco’s glasses are sublimely ridiculous. TOUCH MY MONKEY!
by Jimbo... on
May 16, 2008 11:44 PM EDT
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that from a man
with a mustache for an avatar. :-)
"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race
by ELVISGOAT on
May 17, 2008 8:04 AM EDT
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Was Contador obviously sitting on in this stage?
I only saw the bit of the race where Diluca made his “Someone is making me listen to Barbara Streisand” face so I’m curious how those of you who saw it interpreted it.
============= Daniel
by crashdan on May 16, 2008 7:16 PM EDT 0 recs
Yes, pretty much
He a few turns initially, then sat on. To me, this made perfetto sense. He has Klodie behind in the main field – If Contador works, he helps Diluca and Ricco put time on Klodie. If he doesn’t work, he gets time over the other rivals, but limits the gap to Klodie, who can do damage in the chrono, assuming he’s on a good day. Well-played tactics from Astana.
by gavia on
May 16, 2008 7:25 PM EDT
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So let me get this straight...
Di Luca was attacking his own team mate up the road… and Bert was NOT attacking his own teammate back in the herd.
Danny’s confused with the whole “it’s a team sport” line…
============= Daniel
by crashdan on
May 16, 2008 8:42 PM EDT
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DiLuca
They don’t call him the Killer for nothing.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on
May 16, 2008 11:51 PM EDT
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complicato
Diluca could have used his team mate up the road to sit on the Peeps move. If the team was only playing for the stage, that would have been the right tactic. In that case, he’d have been marking the break against the possibility that the Peeps move caught Bosisio before the line. Had they made the catch, Bosisio and Dani D have teamed up for the inevitable sprinty against Peeps-Ricco.
But Diluca had also to consider the GC. And his decision to work with gruppo Peeps was all about GC (with a nod toward the off-chance of a stage win if they made it across). With the Bosisio group somewhere around 3.00 minutes up the road, there was to some degree two races on the road. Yes, by working with Peeps-Ricco-Contador, Diluca risks shutting down his team-mates stage win. But he has to weigh that against the possibility of taking time on the other GC riders still sitting in the main field. Working allows him to pick off more time, which in the long run is more important than the risk of shutting down a stage win.
As it happened, LPR got the two-fer. Diluca picked off a little time gappy, and Bosisio got the stage win. Well-played, though I wonder if Diluca will really have the legs in the long run for it to matter. Like Sempranoda said upthread, that was quite the suffering face on Dani D. Maybe he was bluffing it up for the cams, but since he looked the weakest in that move, I’m not so sure.
If writing too much about team tactics is wrong, I don’t want to be right…
by gavia on
May 17, 2008 10:52 AM EDT
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tactics
We discuss tactics but i’m very suprised about the two escape (priamo and brutt victories), both are good oportunities for the Ardenas guy, maybe they learning with Astana, Di Luca don’t want the maglia like last year in 10º stage.
The LPR put one guy on breakaway and resting, unlike SDV who works hard this days…
About Di Luca face, if his bluffing he didn’t open a gap like he did. I think he suffered a lot in that moment.
by semprenaroda on
May 17, 2008 11:14 AM EDT
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Klodie
To me it was telling that after Bert marked Cobra and Killer, Klodie marked Menchov. To me it looked like a plan concocted the night before:
Sean Yates: “Bert you got Ricco and Di Luca. Kloden, Menchov. Levi, practice your interviewing skills.”
by ursula on May 16, 2008 7:32 PM EDT 0 recs
That got a chuckle out of me...
Levi, practice your interviewing skills.
============= Daniel
by crashdan on
May 16, 2008 8:43 PM EDT
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Alternatively
“Bert you mark the front; you actually have a turn of speed. Yes Andreas I know you once beat Zabel to the line in a sprint finish – you don’t have to keep mentioning it.” Kloeden is clearly waiting for Simoni to tell him the giro has started – actually he and Menchov must be reasonably happy seeing rivals burn themselves up for chump change. Assuming he actually has the form that is.
by Rothko on
May 16, 2008 9:18 PM EDT
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Tee hee hee
I love this sight for shit and giggles!!!
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on
May 16, 2008 9:30 PM EDT
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I love this sight too. You guys simply rock.
I’ve been a fan for quite a while. Even got mad props from another fan who’d been following the TdG all week when I was calling riders by name as they finished the Brasstown Bald stage.
But I got nothin’ on you guys. I’m building a Podium Cafe shrine in my house. Anyone want to donate any gris gris?
by Cyclingrush on May 16, 2008 11:54 PM EDT 0 recs
You could always
Have Chris sign a Podium Cafe shirt and frame it for the center piece!
BTW Chris – I love the shirts I have. I’ve even had a couple people ask me about it. Very cool.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on
May 17, 2008 12:49 AM EDT
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DiLuca and co. burning their matches too early
To me it looks like DiLuca and Ricco might, like someone else said, are burning their matches way too early. I mean I don’t blame them, they are gonna need all the buffer they can get before the time trials and the big climbs. I bet that Dani and the grass snake were s!##$% a brick when they saw that Bert was able to hang onto their wheels and will probably only get stronger as the race goes on. No wonder that Ricco was running his mouth, he’s scared. I would be too if I were him.
If I just had one more gear, I...
by SpunOut on May 17, 2008 12:39 AM EDT 0 recs
nice analysis
simoni is trying the “remain quiet, appear intelligent” strategy. i’m not buying it. when he is strong, he loves stamping his authority on the race. those at the front of the race will be much stronger throughout this race.
by smug on May 17, 2008 6:58 AM EDT 0 recs
tend to think you're right
I hate to underestimate the guy, because man, has he got grinta. But I think it will be a good ride from him to make a top five GC, and maybe pick off a stage win. I’d like to be surprised, though, cuz I like that guy.
by gavia on
May 17, 2008 10:54 AM EDT
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Simoni
Yeah he will be well when the time is important. I read this some in cyclingweekly.co.uk
In his favour: For the first time in years he doesn’t have a mouthy, irritating, upstart team-mate (Ricco, Cunego) breathing down his neck, making life awkward for him. lol
If he finish in top5, only the 5º i think. But i’m looking for Nibali or maybe a Menchov for this position..
by semprenaroda on
May 17, 2008 11:42 AM EDT
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mmm, Nibali
I really like this guy. I hope he rides higher than fifth. This year is probably too soon for that, especially with Astana in the house. But still… well, a girl can hope, right?
by gavia on
May 17, 2008 7:12 PM EDT
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not CHOMPING, but..
CHAMPING:
champ (chămp)
v., champed, champ·ing, champs.
v.tr. To bite or chew upon noisily. See synonyms at bite.
v.intr. To work the jaws and teeth vigorously.
idiom: champ at the bit To show impatience at being held back or delayed.
Common mistake. :)
-Greg
by gregm on May 19, 2008 9:57 AM EDT 0 recs
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chomp
One entry found.
chomp
Main Entry: chomp
Pronunciation: \ˈchämp, ˈchȯmp\
Function: verb
Etymology: alteration of champ
Date: 1581
intransitive verb
1 : to chew or bite on something
2 : champ 2 —usually used in the phrase chomping at the bit
transitive verb
: to chew or bite on
— chomp noun
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