Time Trial Post-Race Babble
by Jen See on May 20, 2008 11:21 AM EDT
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PrintHere's a second thready for the post-race shenanigans, including some brief interviews with the main protagonisti and the revised GC.
In the main, the post-race show was taken up with a lengthy interview with Petacchi. Indeed, his appearance essentially was the post-race show today. Rough summary/translation of his remarks to the assembled press is here.
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ricco
says that the caduta cost him at least 40 seconds.
no, processo today, he says.
during the live broadcast, even cassani got a little snarky: he listed off all the races where ricco has crashed this season! l’ouch. the ego is making friends
only lost a minute or so
Thought he’d give up 3-5.
by Superconfex on May 20, 2008 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
funny headline in gazzetta
interview with Klodie: klodie kills the cobra. in the interview klodie says ricco hasn’t a chance…
criticism for ricco
journo on processo is criticizing ricco for not coming on the processo after his stage wins. that this is part of the giro to present himself to the tifosi. also, the others always do it with enthusiasm…
In your dreams
That will be chasing you all night.
I never realized how unfortunate...
... the yellow band on the top of the thighs of and SDV rider’s kit is.
============= Daniel
Bravo Gibo!!!
I guess we can call Gibo serious about this Giro. Is this his way of saying that the Giro has now started?
If I just had one more gear, I...
indeed!
grande simoni! his was the ride of the day for me. not because he was the fastest, but because he isn’t a specialist but he definitely showed up!
Always use
the Piepoli-ometer to determine how climby a ITT was. At only 2min43 down over 40km that’s a very climber friendly course.
agreed!
though simoni’s gap viz. diluca and ricco – as well as peeps – suggests that he was on an especially good day, even for that course. i suspect he knew that he could go well on it if he really killed it, so he spend some extra effort prep-ing it. the ds said he had prepared especially for this stage – using prepared in the non-nefarious sense, I mean.
Say Piepoli-ometer outloud at least once today...
... if that words doesn’t make you smile, nothing will :)
============= Daniel
peta
saying there’s been so many problesm over the past year… journo saying he’s one of the bigs of italian cycling. peta says we will see
gazzetta guy
asking him about his family and what’s he’s been up to. is he riding.
he’s spending lots of time with his new kid. he says it’s been rough, he worked so hard to come back then to be condemned. he’s looking for eh, missed it, sorry.
ciclismo is changing says journo. preparation is different says ale.
corrierre della sport: asking about peeps. ale says he has nothing against peeps. the situation is difficult, peeps has allergy and asthma and apparently his situation is different. there needs to be no doubts.
Hopefully it means
Something different than it used to mean, i.e. “I’ve taken two preparations (says the winner laughing) whilst the second placed guys asks, “what do you mean by preparations?”
If I just had one more gear, I...
dello sera again...
asking about the olympics and testing.
peta says there needs to be privacy protections.
bicisport guy
asked about how diluca has arrived at this giro – his condition
ale says that last year’s giro suited diluca better.
ale said also about his preparation for the giro that he was tranquilo and that he was surprised by the disqual.
frustrated
frustrated because he wasn’t found positive for a doping substance. that he went to experts etc.
(journo asked him why he used ventolin)
barteletti: you need to find work? ale says yeah, i need work :-) in three years he hasn’t ridden a season entire.
hard to imagine ale without work, says fucco.shortened sanction
some talk of shortened sanction so that he can start vuelta…
capo, ooh, this should be good: crap, capodacqua was going to ask a question… they dropped it.
ale: the problem is people either believe nor they don’t believe. i have to be tranquilo. antidoping, va bene. but it has to be fiar…
And as the microphone passes to Capodacqua
the sound mysteriously cuts out. He said earlier that he and Milram agreed mutually to end his contract (of course you did), because the atmosphere in Germany is far more hostile than in Italy.
asking about sprinters at the giro
cipo said a few days ago, not enough sprinters in the giro, too manhy climbers.
ale, says there’s plenty of sprinters and they’re going great. cavendish, benna, zabel. i am glad to be missed. hopes to return…
A few more points
(gav types faster than me)
Cycling has changed a lot. There have been problems in recent years, many are paying for it, I am paying for it and can’t find a solution in one minute.
re Piepoli: I have nothing against Piepoli. He’s an asthmatic like me. We both have TUEs, we bott took too much (shrugs shoulders)
I wasn’t found with doping substances. I made a nine hr presentation to CAS.
difficult
to enter a new team. he had a great group, they worked together with him well. saying nice things about erik zabel – great champion. ongarato, lancaster, they did so much work for him. he has lost companions strong.
ack, my brain is cramping…
oooh
the up the nose shot, love that cam angle…
he looks so sad, poor dude :-(
this year is brutto for his career. the disappointment.
lots of cheers from the tifosi!
In Summary
The Italians don’t really care about doping. Forza Alejet
it's mixed as far as i can tell
they’re in favor of controls, but they view the system as unfair and unequitable. that, basso doesn’t ride, valverde does, now peeps rides, and ale doesn’t. it seems from their view that the italian riders are getting the penalties more while others who do the same are not punished. they want to see more fairness and more clarity.
at the same time, yeah, they will welcome back their heroes, forgiveness won’t be too hard to find for Basso, for example.
Well said
I think we all want to welcome back our heroes and forgive their mortal short comings, and not just the Italians.
Unfortunately, each national governing body has its’ own styles, bureaucracy, efficiency, and agendas; which when you combine all of them up with the UCI, WADA, IOC, and the CAS it is just a pile . . . . wow!
Simoni had a great ride today, egh?
Ah, the Giro.
I love the Giro . . .
I've swung around on Gibo 180
in the last 2 years. Totally stunned by his ride today – not that he could pull it off (when he trains for something, baby he trains) but that he did it at his age. Soooooooo freaking impressive.
He’s the climbing equivalent of Ete. You don’t think he can possibly continue at such a high level and yet there he is. Forza!
"Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."
And now
a homage to Pantani. And a climb up some very narrow paths.
Sections marked at 18%
take that as an average. Cassanni wheezing up a hill next to a little old man barely breathing deeper than usual.
Only the last 2k are flat.
oooh
tough climb there… questa e il cielo dello pirata! here is the heaven of the pirate. tomorrow’s climb outside cesena, where pantani is from…
crap, they cut the feed, i so heart the cassani previews.
Thanks everyone
watching on TV on RAI-Int’l (digital cable) which seems to be just over 30 min behind being live … so couldn’t participate directly in the live commenting but read a bit behind as I watched, cool.
Looking forward to watching the Petacchi interview (not that I understand much, but emotions and expressions transcend language… )
he's very expressive!
He’s always a good interview, because he never can really hide anything.
Enjoy!
yes, very expressive
thanks for the prior translations so I could pick out roughly what was being said.
(FWIW, having seen numerous patients who figure that if one puff of salbutamol doesn’t work well enough then 5 must be better and forget to use their corticosteroid inhaler because it doesn’t have an immediate effect, and with the numerous complaints I’ve heard of shakiness and palpitations etc from too much salbutamol, I have doubts that it really has any performance-enhancing effect in an acute situation and suspect Petacchi was just careless with his medication usage rather than doping. But, I figure if you have a TUE you should be incredibly careful to use the medication properly so as not to get yourself in trouble…)
GC after 10
1 Giovanni Visconti (Ita) Quick Step 43.12.02
2 Matthias Russ (Ger) Gerolsteiner 3.31
3 Gabriele Bosisio (Ita) LPR Brakes 5.50
4 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Astana 6.59
5 Marzio Bruseghin (Ita) Lampre 7.52
6 Andreas Klöden (Ger) Astana 7.54
7 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas 8.04
8 Paolo Savoldelli (Ita) LPR Brakes 8.09
9 Riccardo Riccò (Ita) Saunier Duval – Scott 8.32
10 Danilo Di Luca (Ita) LPR Brakes 8.33
11 Gustav Erik Larsson (Swe) Team CSC
12 Denis Menchov (Rus) Rabobank 8.57
13 Gilberto Simoni (Ita) Serramenti PVC Diquigiovanni-Androni Giocattoli 9.10
14 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Astana
15 Franco Pellizotti (Ita) Liquigas 9.15
16 Jurgen Van Den Broeck (Bel) Silence – Lotto 9.43
I ask the question again...
... what do you do… on one of the upcoming leg breakers… when the grupetto is 15 minutes behind you and a select group is off the front of the pack: Contador, Klöden, Di Luci, Gilberto, Ricco… and you just get hit time after time after time in the face by one Astana attack after another. They haven’t won yet, but they’ve positioned themselves perfectly… absolutely perfectly.
I think Bruyneel’s cocktail of contempt and baby’s tears is working…
============= Daniel
True
but wouldn’t you say that LPR is in a similar situation. Different caliber, but similar situation none the less.
I keep thinking about...
~:> vs. Contador last year. No one could keep up with those two other than Soler, who’s pretty much out of the picture after today I think unless he’s given an unholy breakaway victory. If it comes down to an LPR attack up a hill, I can’t imagine that Contador, if he really has any of the form of the TdF, doesn’t nail it right back or just swarm around whoever it is and ride away.
What I HOPE… is for someone to go, and get marked by an Astana and then see the two of them duke it out to a summit finish with big GC names cracking left and right and the insane tifosi lining the narrow road within a hairsbreath of the riders who have their teeth bared and are just annihilating each other.
And I want it… oh dear god I want it to be Ricco vs. Contador. That would be the hands-down most bad-ass moment of racing all year.
============= Daniel
Agreed
I like that last bit:
And I want it… oh dear god I want it to be Ricco vs. Contador. That would be the hands-down most bad-ass moment of racing all year
That would be, dare I say, Über bad-ass. That would be awesome to see and if it does, Bert already has the psycological edge. Ricco seems to be a fragile sort, so I’m sure he is already shaken to the core.
If I just had one more gear, I...
Hmmm...
... I don’t see the same sort of one sided vitriol between Piepoli or Simoni and the Accountant as i do between Ricco and… well, everyone else.
So…
Good: Someone, anyone, justifying having their name painted by tifosi on some wicked howling climb.
Better: True, unabashed GC candidates (Klöden + Simoni or Di Luca + Menchov + Soler) sticking knives into each other with snow covered peaks on one side and a death spiral cliff on the other to a mountain top finish… seeing all but one crack completely and seeing the other finish a la Gerdesmann at the summit.
Best: Seeing Contador win after pulling over, kawkpunching Ricco and throwing his bike off said cliff.
Ricco has a big mouth, but does to a certain extent back it up. I will never forgive him those sunglasses though.
============= Daniel
I'll probably be
way wrong, BUT watch out for Bosisio, unless, of course, Diluca doesn’t knee-cap him first. There’s gonna have to be some serious racing to dislodge Bosisio and Visconti, methinks.
I'd say
Contador and Astana have control of this race. Wew’ll see if Bert’s elbow holds out but even if it doesn’t there’s his teammate Kloden in a nice position.
GC faves
Contador
Bruseghin @0.53
Klodie 0.55
Nibali 1.03
Savol 1.08
Ricco 1.31
Diluca 1.32
Menchov 1.58
Simoni 2.11
Levi mt
Pellizotti 2.16
Of the Italians, I like Gibo’s chances. But it’ll be hard going to bring back 2.00 in change on Contador. Neither Ricco nor Nibali are out of it, just yet. But I can’t say I rate Diluca’s chances too highly after today. I expected a better ride out of him on this one. Bruseghin looks great for a top ten finish. Wildcards to Menchov and Savoldelli. That was a damn good ride from Savol given that he had a mech problem.
Selle ain't out of this either . . .
. . . I could see him really animate the weekend and become a bit of an unofficial teammate to Simoni when things get really vertical.
The one I would watch out for on that list besides Simoni is
Menchov. He has a habit of sucking arse early in the GTs and then getting stronger as he goes. To me the thing about Menchov is his age! He’s only like 26 or 27. So, realisically, he hasn’t even reached his peak yet. He will for sure have a bad day in the mountains but will probably limit losses and get stronger while the guys like Ricco and DiLuca who have been strong thus far will start to lose some form and fall by the wayside. At least that’s what history says.
If I just had one more gear, I...
Thanks!
I couldn’t get any rai vid today (?).
Simoni was a big surprise today, but the hilly course definetly suited him.
I’m looking for Ale-Jet finding a new team, his ban was ridiculous, especially since Piepoli (with even higher values) with a Monaco lisece keeps on riding…
LOL - reading Pez
“the best thing to have happened to day was that "Super Ricco" didn’t have much to say at the finish!”
bruseghin's post-race
I missed a couple of these earlier, in the thready switch:
Bruseghin: I came to the Giro to win a stage and now I have succeeded…. I had good sensations (ha!) on the course, the same as I had at Oropa, and I am proud to have won in front of such great champions.
Simoni: I rode with a grand tranquilita (oh, no…) and for that I thank my massagiatore (soigneur) who gave me great serenity. I have not done such a chrono as this…
Not the thanks to his soigneur!
Back in the day the soigneur was the one who made sure you had the correct “preparations”! Though I’m pretty sure that’s not the case with Gibo.
If I just had one more gear, I...
Pretty predictable
I think that we could all pretty much see that with the exception of Bruseghin, the TT results were pretty predictable. Contador and Kloeden putting the smack down on the other “contenders” and thus setting up an Astana dominance. I will say that it would be fantastic if Gibo can do something. I think that Ricco and DiLuca were fooling themselves to think that they were going to win this Giro. Maybe all the other teams knew what was going to happen when Astana got the invite. I don’t know but I hope the rest of Giro is exciting and not just brute force by Astana controlling the race ala Disco. That would be too boring, but probably inevitable. One thing we know is that Kloedi and Bert have a world-class domestique at their service in Levi. Who knows, maybe he might do what he did at Le Tour last year and smoke the last time trial. I’m going to make that my prediction.
If I just had one more gear, I...
I'm such a dope
I just realized the first big mountain stages are Sat-Mon, when I’m home and can watch them without interruption. Katie is a happy girl.
This just in...
Portuguese police say they found evidence of widespread doping after raids Monday on LA-MSS, a continental team that includes several Operación Puerto "refugees," wire services reported Tuesday.
Taken from VN. Also, this is the team that Zaballa and Vicioso went to. They are the refugees spoke about above.
If I just had one more gear, I...
its true
The police found syringes and equipment for blood transfusions.
Manuel Zeferino is the most prestigious manager in Portugal. He already taked guys who had bad times like Claus Mohler and Andreiy Zitchenko. And in MSS and made a career renaissance for them.
More information www.ciclismodigital.com%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26task%3Dview%26id%3D1197%26Itemid%3D1&hl=pt-BR&ie=UTF8&sl=pt&tl=en” target=”_blank”>you can see here.(automatic translater)
by semprenaroda on May 20, 2008 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
In other developing news the Earth orbits the sun!
by australopithecine on May 20, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Over at that site it now says
that the team’s contract has been terminated by all three of its sponsors.
That was quick.
Adios LA-MSS
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on May 20, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe the team name should be LAME-ASS not LA-MSS
by Jens on May 20, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Use
the recommendations (rec) in actions!
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on May 20, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
what dose that do within a thread?
I see that if a fan post is sufficiently rec’ed then it gets promoted. And I’m assuming if on e of the PdC3 rec a post it goes to center column. But what does it do in the middle of a tread?
it makes it green
when there are at least five recs. Highlights the comment.
And goes on your permanent record.
Cool
So I guess we sould be careful what we say then. Permanent record. That always sounds like a bad thing to me.
Is that any real surprise
After their 1-2-3-4 in that recent race. Or something very close to that
Best since 2001
Gilberto’s best time trial since that sizzler in the 2001 Giro to keep the pink from Frigo.
I'm surrender to Astana
Kloden and Contador are crushing the opponents!!
Now i realize Di Luca d’ont have chances to win… Ricco will be very difficult.
Ricco is the best climber here, but take two minutes is very time….
A bit more transcription
Bartoletti (RAI) – A couple of years ago Italian cycling had 4 important pillars: Basso. Di Luca, Petacchi, Bettini. Three of those have been cut to the ground, luckily Di Luca is still here. What do you think of that?
Petacchi – It makes me think that cycling has changed a lot. Unfortunately there have been problems in recent years, and many are paying for it. I think that in this case I am paying for a judicial mistake, an sporting injustice, but I can’t find the solution in a minute. Therefore, let’s see, let’s see for the moment how my case unfolds. I still need to decide some things, so let’s see.
Luca Giovanella (Gazzetta) – I want to know from Alessandro – How has he spent these days, after this sentence, the birth of his child, a host of different situations (?), at the personal level, the level of the soul, how has life been these last few weeks?
Petacchi – Fortunately I have the baby. I can take care of him. Otherwise you can imagine at this time, how life has been up until 6th May. Since last year I have had two, two official hearings, you could say, and at the end they found me guilty. So it’s clear, that until this sentence was handed down, I was never relaxed (tranquillo!). I repeat, on the 6th of May what happened happened, On the 10th of May my baby was born. In summary I try to not think about it.
Beppe Conti (TuttoSport) – How many times in this period have you genuinely thought of giving up riding?
Petacchi – Never
Eugene Capodacqua (Repubblica) – You spoke of a cycling that has changed. You ? [impassata di serioruota] of a somewhat notorious doctor even if you ?? more times of the victories gained etc. Don’t you think that a cycling that is changing ought to also change [la tegiamente] to confront certain doctors?
Petacchi – Me, I visited a preparatore athletico, and was happy to do so. As I already answered.
Ernando Ruffo (?)(Corriere della Sport) – Petacchi and Piepoli were involved with Salbutamol How come there is a charge for Petacchi and none for Piepoli? Can you explain the difference?
Petacchi – You explain it to me. And I said to them, to WADA. I have absolutely nothing against Piepoli. He’s asthmatic like me, in a different way, he has allergy induced Asthma, I have stress induced Asthma, so they are two things a bit different (ben diverso) , we both have a certificate which sets down a limit. We both exceeded this limit and were treated in different ways. It’s clear to me that the treatment (giustizia) he had was not the same as mine. So you’ve all read the judgement, there’s no reason for me to read that to you. It is noted several times that I didn’t do anything to improve my performance. I didn’t cheat (fatto dolo), I didn’t break the rules of the sport in order to get results, I did it to correct a physical deficit, and it has cost me a year. What should I do?
Gigi – Let me recall also, briefly, before passing to Paolo Tommaseli of the Corriere della Sera that Petacchi’s defence lawyer has confirmed that the point 7 …..
At which point I’ve had enough of this fawning.
Wow
how did you last that long? patient man you are.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on May 20, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
OK OK
For the volume you write here that seems like a cop out, but so much of that seemed to be “why don’t those horrible men in Geneva believe you. We all know you’re telling the truth.” Apart from the second time round when the mike came back to Capodacqua, then camera shot suddenly switched to people standing outside holding umbrellas and all the microphones stopped working.
Now I don’t want to get obsessed by the doping side of cycling (at times you have to persuade that it is better to win the fight by small battles than to go for one big holocaust and part of that process is finding the time to sit back and enjoy the racing) but this wasn’t the occasion to gloss over the whole subject.
And another, slightly less noble, motive is that it’s harder to gloss over the difficult bits doing it afterwards. Doing it live you can just ignore them and pretend you are editing to pick out the salient points.
Eh?
Not sure what you mean, I was just responding to your disgust with the interview.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on May 20, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
looks like an accidental caduta here (see, I can mangle just like Gavia!). Monty, your post-race work here is much appreciated. Please keep it up.
lol
No pretending here. For me, live blogging the interviews is silly hard. The riders don’t enunciate as clearly as cassani and bulba and are more likely to leave out words or mumble. Really, I feel pretty lucky if I can get anything.
It’s fun, though. And nice language practice. Just wish I was a native speaker, then it would be oh-so-easy!
While I’m here, there’s a transcript thingy in Italian. One bit I missed in the live interview, is that they asked him about Cecchini. He said he never went to Ceccho as a doctor, but only as an athletic trainer. He is one of the few – there were something like 5 Italian riders, as of last season – still working with Ceccho. Nibali is certainly not one of them, as he went once to Ceccho during his time at Fassa (standard for anyone who rode there), but didn’t like him, so never went back.
no idea how
you do it. I can follow, in that get-the-main-point-with-a-slight-helping-of-nuance, when it’s French or Spanish. But Italian? I’m lost within the first 10 seconds.
If there's any confusion
I’m really glad both of you are contributing this stuff. These quotes usually don’t show up in the big media in English for another 6-12 hours. And you know everyone here wants to know what they’re saying… at least up until the media starts kissing Petacchi’s butt.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on May 20, 2008 6:12 PM EDT reply actions
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