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Tour Favorites Ratings... Opening Salvo

Letour-sq2_1__mediumEach year it becomes more of a challenge to find an original way to talk about who might win the Tour de France. After racking my brain, I'd decided on a tale-of-the-tape scoring system. Of course, even that isn't truly original -- Cycle Sport is doing one. But then, their method is 50% serious, 50% crap like "media friendliness" and "sprinting" so onward and upward.

My rating system consists of four categories: climbing, time trialing, intangibles and team. The first three are scored 1-5, while team strength is weighted less, on a 1-3 scale. Yes, a good team helps, but Greg LeMond won singlehandedly in 1989 against the Cyrille Guimard machine. It happens. Anyway, these numbers aren't especially "scientific," or "meaningful." You'll have to sign up for Podium Cafe Premium if you want real numbers.

1. Cadel Evans

A clear favorite; no real weakness, plenty of history. It just feels like his turn.
Climbing: 4  He does things at his own pace, and can be vulnerable on the worst climbs, e.g. Alpe d'Huez. But he's also made strides in the mountains and seems stronger than ever this year. I wouldn't count on him blowing up anyplace.
Time Trialing: 5  The undisputed ace, at least for the final ITT. No serious dispute about this. Among the favorites, only Menchov and Sanchez have vaguely similar track records.
Intangibles: 5  Right age, right experience, and he's even turned around his one weakness -- too much patience -- with some noticeably more aggressive riding. He's the one guy on this list who looks thoroughly ready to lead the world's biggest race.
Team: 2  They signed Popovych, possibly the world's greatest teammate, to deal with his other glaring weakness, but Popo hasn't been used much, and the rest of the team is returning from last year's uninspiring lot. I'm not sold yet.

Total: 16

2t. Denis Menchov

One of only two guys on the list who's won a grand tour before. This is a pretty good course for him, but only if he doesn't explode anywhere. Like, say, on Alpe d'Huez.
Climbing: 4  He's usually excellent, though there seem to be some climbs that are simply too much. I don't want to be overly critical of the guy who won the key Pyrenean stages of the 2007 Vuelta and the 2006 Tour, but he can't have any classicly bad days in the Alpes.
Time Trialing: 4  OTOH, I don't want to be overly complimentary here. Sure, he's time-trialed his way to two Vuelta wins -- not too shabby -- but his Tour record is decidedly meh. Relative to this list, he's a good chronoman. Not great.
Intangibles: 3.5  He's two completely different guys in Spain versus France. Last year he was patron-like in his commanding Vuelta win, but in the Tour he seemed far less confident. Anyway, few others have seen as much as he has, and with no dominant personalities you might see a more macho Mencho this time.
Team: 2 Rabo have a nice lineup, but a history of strange behavior, not to mention too many priorities. Also, why no Gesink???

Total: 13.5

2t. Carlos Sastre

Veteran Tour ringer looking for one last chance for glory. Sastre always seems to find his way out of the podium, but not without looking awfully dangerous for a while.
Climbing: 4.5  His career has been built on long alpine ascents. Last year his work in this area was surprisingly undistinguished, but he's had too many good days to downgrade him on the basis of 2007 alone.
Time Trialing: 3  I think there's this image of him being a terrible chronoman because he's lost a place or two in the final ITT in past Tours. He isn't terrible. It's just that he's not as good as the best guys. If he goes into the last weekend with 2' on Evans for yellow, he'll hold it.
Intangibles: 3 Good guy, though maybe not enough of a killer. He's very experienced, but has never seemed to break through. Hopefully we'll see the more aggressive, 2006 version this year.
Team: 3 CSC are always a force. The only question is who the leader is. For now it's Sastre, but he's already looking over his shoulder.

Total: 13.5

2t. Sammy Sanchez

One of my favorite riders around... hard to be completely objective here. Also his season has been spent entirely in the shadows, ostensibly training for this one big moment. I don't blame him; with Contador sidelined, and with his age north of 30, it's as good a chance as he'll ever get. Is this really his first-ever Tour?? Problem.
Climbing: 3.5  More of a classics climber than a pure Alpine mountain goat. He has had plenty of success in the Vuelta climbs... but that's not the same thing.
Time Trialing: 4.5  Outstanding at TTs in the 20-30km range, even better than Evans. But he loses half a point to Cadel here, since whatever advantage he gets in the first TT he'll give back and more in the last one.
Intangibles: 3 The Tour simply isn't the Vuelta, so it's hard to say how prepared he is for this. But Sanchez can be very aggressive when he's on form, and there are some places where his unreal descending skills could be a huge asset. He seems focused as well.
Team: 2.5 You might notice that I docked half a point from the 3 I give Zubeldia, from the same team. For now, Zubeldia's the captain, Samu is plan B. Still, this is the best squad Euskaltel have assembled in a long time.

Total: 13.5

5. Alejandro Valverde

These scores are probably the most conservative of any given. Unlike the rest of the guys here, you could make an argument for Valverde placing at any of the top ten spots.
Climbing: 4  Seems like his strength, but in the last Tour stage he dropped 2' to Evans on the Col d'Aubisque. And was worse the two previous days. My guess is he'll do well in the mountains this time around, perhaps really well, but you never know.
Time Trialing: 3 Seems like his weakness, but today is the two week anniversary of the Dauphine ITT, which he won. A single result of that nature can't undo a spotty history of Tour chronos, but he's also at the age where top stage racers often show improvement against the watch. Very intriguing.
Intangibles: 3  He gets labeled a Tour disappointment, for his hard-luck abandonments and unspectacular results, but I'm coming around on the guy. Think of all he's been through: the ridiculous expectations, the endless doping allegations, the constant pressure to win, the disappointments (e.g., 2006 Vuelta ridden at the last minute, and stolen from him by two doping Kazakhs). Yet he just won his second Liege monument, along with two of the three stage races he's entered this year, Murcia and the Dauphine. Maybe in a sense he's El Imbatible after all.
Team: 3 Don't get me started gushing about these guys again. I did that before the Giro and nearly got them all killed. Probably the deepest, most dynamic squadra at the Tour, though without the grand tour track record (yet) (and yes, I remember that Pereiro was anointed the 2006 winner.)

Total: 13

6t. Kim Kirchen

Eh... what to say? Of all the classics studs on this list trying to make the leap to grand tour success, only Kirchen and Valverde can say they've done it, to some degree. Kirchen's 7th place in the 2007 Tour, just behind Valverde, was unexpected, but came after an amazing spring campaign. Well, he just had another great spring...
Climbing: 3.5 Kirchen is a Tour mountain stage winner, after Vinokourov was deleted from Stage 15 last year. But he was allowed to escape by the heads of state, and his other performances were decidedly mixed. He can climb, and after last year he's probably better prepared for a real GC run. But I wouldn't call him a natural mountain goat.
Time Trialing: 3.5  Unlike his climbing, Kirchen is more consistent as a time trialer --  not consistently great, but unlike his nearest competitors he's shown the ability to handle a long, loooong ITT at the end of a Tour.
Intangibles: 3.5 I don't feel like I know him at all, but he's just 30, and has a pretty good background for the Tour with three attempts, including two Tours during his Fassa Bortolo days, and at least two Tour Espoirs events. He's as ready as anyone on the list, save Evans.
Team: 2 Also deep and talented, Columbia haven't said yet who's on their roster. [Update: yes they have.] Kirchen may have to fight for help from the sprinters' squad. Hincapie is pretty likely, giving Kirchen at least one ideal teammate.

Total: 12.5

6t. Damiano Cunego

The Kid, a/k/a Happy Puppy (though don't ask me why)...  Few riders attract more attention. Lance is on record saying there's no way he can win, but Cunego, like some others here, is smart to give it a shot during Contador's temporary absence. He's only done the Tour once before, winning the maillot blanc in 2006.
Climbing: 4  That 2006 prize was due largely to his second place on the Alpe d'Huez stage. We've seen him struggle on some of the steepest climbs, so he's more of an elite Classics-type than a pure grimpeur, but he definitely won't embarass himself if he's on form.
Time Trialing: 2.5  Heh... uh... he's had some real stinkers in the past, but it's not a complete lost cause. He's done decently in shorter-distance events, as well as anything with a hill. Also, he's reaching the age where maybe he can improve. But Lance has a point: he's pretty small, which can be a problem on a windy, 50km flat course.
Intangibles: 4 Besides Menchov, he's the only guy on the list with a grand tour in his pocket. Granted, it was out of the blue, and he hasn't done anything to dissuade us from calling it a fluke. But he is focused, not inexperienced, and as ready as he'll ever be.
Team: 2 I like some of the guys they're talking about including, like Ballan and Bruseghin. Not sure what the final lineup will be, and he won't need a lot of escorts anyway.

Total: 12.5

6t. Haimar Zubeldia

Fifth place last year was a mark of consistency and steady improvement for Zubeldia, the only rider whose name is always on the front page of the Podium Cafe. With a better team, he could really make a move this year. I'll believe it when it happens.
Climbing: 4 His strength... he's more of a mountain goat than Sanchez, with top 10 finishes at various Pyrenean and Alpine stages. The next time he launches a huge attack on the leaders will be the first time, as far as I can remember. But Euskaltel have the chance to ride a more aggressive race this year.
Time Trialing: 2.5  Meh. Pretty thoroughly mediocre.
Intangibles: 3  I'll plead the fifth... he doesn't get enough coverage for me to really have a sense of him. Experienced... right age. Help?
Team: 3 I've already said 4-5 times how they have a great team. They have a great team. There. Happy?

Total: 12.5

9t. Maricio Soler

Burst onto the scene last year. This time, people are watching.
Climbing: 5  Possibly the one true mountain goat of the race. He flew up the peaks last year, more than once. Nobody doubts his strength here.
Time Trialing: 2  Not good. Between the two ITTs at the 2007 Tour, he dropped over ten minutes. On the one hand, that's a great way to launch a drive for the mountains jersey -- eviscerating your GC hopes before the first climb. But this year will have to be different if he's to make a run at the overall.
Intangibles: 2  Young and talented, but not especially experienced. We've seen plenty of guys burst onto the scene from the ranks of the newcomers, only to return with some pressure, and fall off the map. Soler didn't seem overly interested at the Giro, which is understandable, but I just don't think he's going to make the leap quite yet.
Team: 2.5  One of the more intriguing teams out there, Barloworld will flank Soler with Moises Duenas and Felix Cardenas, while still pursuing sprints.

Total: 11.5 

9t. Frank Schleck

Seems to be touted as CSC's Tour guy as much out of some sort of rotation -- it's his turn -- than because of evidence he's well-suited to the race. He does lots of things well, but in Le Tour??
Climbing: 3  One day he's winning on Alpe d'Huez, the next he's out the back. I'd rate him as one of the guys you'll see lagging behind the heads of state on most finishing climbs. Not blowing up, but not able to match the best.
Time Trialing: 3  More of the same: not embarassing himself, but nothing to get excited about.
Intangibles: 3  Well, he's older than Andy. He's got a couple Tours under his belt.
Team: 2.5 Like Sanchez, he loses half a point for being plan B. Unlike Sanchez, he'll probably remain plan B.

Total: 11.5

11. Ricardo Ricco

Included as more of a bellwether than a serious threat. Best case scenario is that he and Soler both completely suck in the first time trial, and stage one of the better polka-dot jersey battles in recent memory.
Climbing: 5 Excellent. He can't just fly away from the heads of state whenever he wants, but unlike some of the other Classics guys here, he's shown plenty of ability to launch late escapes and gain small advantages. Unless his form is stale after the Giro, he shouldn't get shelled out of the Tour climbs.
Time Trialing: 1  All that's missing from his chrono resume is an in-race bike toss. So far he's only tossed his bike during road stages.
Intangibles: 2  Eh... what's the over-under on him claiming he got pulled off the beach to race the Tour? I say 7am tomorrow.
Team: 1 Gawd-awful all year. You'd expect more, and maybe they'll get fired up. But I think having Ricco as captain hasn't done much for unity.

Total: 9

So there you go. Should be fun to see how these ratings hold up over time. In general they show a very, very tight race for spots 2-10, though Evans is predictably a strong favorite. This is a lot of info, which means the likelihood of errors is pretty high, so comment and/or correct away.

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Doesn't hace SDV Cobo en Peipoli...

That’s a three for me.. But Maybe that is because I think Cobo is heading up for a top ten place in the Tour

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Jun 25, 2008 5:36 PM EDT   0 recs

yes, both are riding.

Peeps wouldn’t be a bad KOM pick, actually. And Cobo is definitely talented.

by gavia on Jun 25, 2008 6:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Peeps

may still be injured. I hear ribcage injuries are very painful and take the longest to heal. It hasn’t been very long.

That being said, I love his attacking style and hope he’s up for the job.

by dheadrick on Jun 26, 2008 12:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Looks good Chris

Perhaps KK is a bit overrated…
and I’d say that Sastre and Schlek make for a stronger combo together than apart so their team gets another .5 or so…

"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race

by ELVISGOAT on Jun 25, 2008 5:37 PM EDT   0 recs

Kirchen

I think I agree with that. He strikes me as a solid top ten guy, with a shot at top five. But winning? I’m not so sure of that. I don’t think he climbs well enough to win the whole burrito. He’s solid and consistent, but I think not quite on the level of the others.

I’d take Andy over Frank as having a chance at the GC. I don’t think Frank has the legs or the head to be a GC rider at a grand tour. Andy? Yeah, kid’s got it. It really depends on how much form he brings, how the race unfolds, and what kind of freedom he is given. Andy is my dark horse to steal the show. I think the combo of two Schleck’s and Carlos is a formidable one, whoever ends up the lead guy. I’d give them the .5 and then some on those grounds.

by gavia on Jun 25, 2008 6:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Excellent. Comprehensive.

Hopefully you’ll do a dark horse post too?

I see the GC race developing by the Massif Central where Valverde, Cunego, and Kirchen will attack.

Here’s my GC order where I have two guys tied for first as I just can’t separate them.

1. Menchov- I like his ‘tude this year which includes, “screw my team. Hurt me once, shame on you, hurt me twice, shame on me.”
1A. Valverde- He takes the early lead after the Massif Central and no one overtakes him. Or he blows up on one hill…
3. Evans- EVERYTHING says Evans, but I just have that feeling…
4. Sastre- He falls behind but has a great Alps to pull himself back into podium contention… almost.
5. Cunego- Never really threatens but never falls way behind either.
6. Soler- He dies threaten but the final TT kills him.
7. Sam San- He’s my serious dark horse if he stays with Valverde early. Too bad they don’t decent of L’Alpe…
8. Zubeldia- As you say, steady. Will work great with Samu
9. Kirchen- He WILL make an early move and might get the yellow, but he won’t hang in the mountains consistently.
10. Let’s see that leaves Schleck… Nah someone else will be here as Frank takes 15th. Maybe Popo here. Or Dessel or something…

by ursula on Jun 25, 2008 5:45 PM EDT   0 recs

Ooooh, Dessel

it would be cool if he made another trip to the top ten. Also, does anyone know if Casar is riding this year for GC? Heh, probably stage-chasing. Madiot prefers that, I think.

by gavia on Jun 25, 2008 6:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Casar

Yeah I read somewheres that he’s going for GC placement. He and DiGregorio could be an interesting combo.

by ursula on Jun 25, 2008 6:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

bene

good team there. i think casar has a shot at top ten, if all goes well. more so than sanchez, who i don’t rate especially highly as a tour rider.

Di Gregorio? He’ll be chasing KOM, I’d guess. He’s said in the past he’d like to win that some day. Not sure how he’d do as a gc rider, he has a past as a crono guy, but says he’s been working more on his climbing these days.

by gavia on Jun 25, 2008 6:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Pretty good analysis, Ursula.

Only disagreement: I’d move Kim up several places, to maybe fifth.

by pigilito on Jun 25, 2008 7:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Good rundown

I noticed that Ursula has Evans rated as 3rd on her list. The only thing I will say in Evans’ defense is that even though he’s had bad days, he’s never really been cracked to the point where all hope is lost. He ALWAYS claws his way back. That is more than can be said for Mencho or Balaverde. They have both blown up magnificently. So maybe Evans should get another .5 just based on that. I agree about his team though, uninspiring to say the least. If it weren’t for Popo, he’s pretty much be winning the Tour by himself. Like he almost did last year.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jun 25, 2008 6:00 PM EDT   0 recs

only once...

Cadel’s only cracked completely once – and that was in his first grand tour, where he rode way above himself. I agree that’s his strength. For all the press has emphasized his cautious disposition, he isn’t afraid to gamble. In his first Tour he rode himself up the classification by attacking on the Aubisque, easily 50 km from the finish, riding the break to the line. That was a sweet move, and gave him his placing. Not one to lie down, is Cadel.

by gavia on Jun 25, 2008 6:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh I agree- so how do you beat Evans?

Everything points to Evans at #1. No weaknesses. The others will have to a) not mess up anywhere and/or b) steal a march on him some day when he’s not expecting it. To me only Menchov looks potentially as solid as Evans. Maybe Valverde if he still has his Dolphin form. That’s it. So a corollary to this is that Evans and Menchov would like the race to be conservative with only a couple of stages that are deciders and those just on the final climb.

For the others, they need to get away from Evans somehow and it seems to me the best place for that is early before the Pyrenees even. For instance look at T-Mob's tactics last year with Gerdeman and especially Rogers being the first attackers in the mountains.  If Rogers had kept upright maybe that race would have been different.  But for this year the main way to beat Evans is to stretch the playing field so to speak to make more stages count that Evans has to pay attention to.  If other riders than the High Road/Columbia guys start regularly attacking then it will stretch Evans out.

by ursula on Jun 25, 2008 6:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Problems for the other GC riders against Evans are:

His TT skills are leaps and bounds above all the other GC riders, especially the 50K+ TTs. If you aren’t a good TTer, you have to have a team that can 1-2 him until he blows up. But, he’s smart and like last year, will ride within himself to limit losses and conserve energy. He won’t fall for that crap this year. So, unless you can put in an attack that he just can’t come back from AND blow him away in the TT, it’s going to be extremely hard to beat him.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jun 25, 2008 6:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

indeed.

if he avoids any crash/ health problems, I can’t see anyone beating him.
Cadel’s Tour to win, or loose, for sure.

by Bruce Suomi on Jun 25, 2008 6:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

JV said CVV could get into the top 5 if the stars aligned

ok, he was a bit more specific: if he rested/trained properly after the Giro. Recent team statements and the Tour team composition indicate they’re not focused on the GC, but sometimes I think JV employs some psyops in the media. Seems like only Lowe will be significantly helpful in the mountains if CVV does try for a good overall.

Any thoughts CVV cracking top 10?

Thinking hard - really hard - of something witty to say....

by Cyclingrush on Jun 25, 2008 6:26 PM EDT   0 recs

Top 10 is doable

The climbs of the Tour suit him better because as a whole, they are more gradual and favor riders that can go up mid-grade climbs at a steady, hard tempo. In other words, climbs that would suit riders like Kloeden and CVV very well. They are both riders that can ride a good TT and produce steady power when the terrain is bumpy. If only Kloeden were riding.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jun 25, 2008 6:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Top 20

is I think the best he can hope for. And I like Vandevelde

by ursula on Jun 25, 2008 7:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i'll give him top 15

but i’m not sure he can go higher than that. i’ll be surprised if he nails a top ten. if there was a ttt, maybe. i don’t know, though, maybe the whole giro was really all about training – go hard in the early stages, then back it off, ride the gruppetto and get fit for the tour. it would be a very traditional way to go about things. still, i think if he had that kind of ride in him, we’d have seen it by now.

strange things happen in grand tours.

by gavia on Jun 25, 2008 7:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You may be right

I definitely think that top 15 is possible. He’s always been in a support role in the past, so this whole leader thing is new to him. I would rather just seem them race aggressively and go for stages myself. That makes more sense.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jun 25, 2008 8:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

si...

they have a really good team for stage hunting. actually, i think the best shot at a high gc finish is trent lowe, not vandevelde. ridiculous talent on that guy, despite his age and inexperience. dark horse, kid surprise potential there.

by gavia on Jun 25, 2008 10:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jun 25, 2008 11:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

They should stick to stage hunting.

I see them as having no shot for the GC (or CG for that matter).

by dheadrick on Jun 26, 2008 12:05 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I so likey this... :-)

I am totally thinking he has a shot at top 12. With the others there I think anything much higher would be one hell of a Tour but he’s doing great and looking great right now (wink wink). He managed top 25 the last two years with CSC riding for others. The GarMEN I think will be hunting much more for stages than GC but C has a great read with races and knows when to stick with riders. Plus he knows how CSC works and operates and knows Little Andy and Jens! and Frank so he has a plus in his burrito filled back pocket with knowing team work and working well with others… :) Even if the team is shooting for stages, I think he has a great shot at a really good, solid GC finish. :)

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Jun 25, 2008 10:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Be realistic

It’s the Tour, not the Giro or the Vuelta. I’ll be rooting for him tho, hopefully VS will have lots of Garmin and Columbia coverage.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Jun 25, 2008 10:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you saying I'm not being realisitc?

Poop. And I thought I was being good not typing top 10. :) I think stages are the name of the game but also know C is ready for this. I think he’ll have a good tour. Top 15 is there, I think. But then this is le Tour and so many things can happen and flip things end over end for all. :) Is it the 4th yet?

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Jun 25, 2008 10:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No

I don’t have an opinion on CVV, just cautioning aiming low.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Jun 26, 2008 1:35 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

once again,

excellent stuff Chris!
Very good sum up!!
I’m still very irritated that Astana won’t be there, but Ricco’s late minute addition got me much more interested of the race….
I hope Menchov wins, especially after my dark horse Dekker got sidelined….

by Bruce Suomi on Jun 25, 2008 6:54 PM EDT   0 recs

I know what you mean.

Astana fan here. But, I keep thinking that the Revenge Tour was one of the most interesting things to happen this season. And the Giro? I hold the Giro up there close to the Tour, and this one got me pumped up. Plus, it makes the Vuelta so much more interesting, IMO. Macho has some competition, this year…

by dheadrick on Jun 26, 2008 12:12 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Nice work!

I’d certainly add DiLuca to the classics studs who made the conversion to GT champion, but other than that I can’t fault it.

I’ll be rooting for Il Piccolo Principe, although I doubt he’ll take it.

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by Koppenberg on Jun 25, 2008 8:09 PM EDT   0 recs

d'oh

“on this list” explains the omission. Back to lurking for Koppenberg.

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by Koppenberg on Jun 25, 2008 8:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Astarloza?

I think he’s perhaps more legit than the other two Euskies here – he can climb and TT well, and was in the top 10 on a few occasions. He’s also on the upswing of his career.

by BDBrian on Jun 25, 2008 8:24 PM EDT   0 recs

Duly noted

I think he belongs in the Dark Horse preview, since he hasn’t been a challenger at at GT like Sanchez and Zubeldia have.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Jun 25, 2008 10:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

category missing: descenders

No, it’s not usually treated as a specialty, no nice little “downhill” icon by the name, and no one really calls a stage that goes down as well as up a “descenders stage.” But after Frank’s flight last week, and considering the number of escapes that start on a descent, can anyone doubt that there needs to be some points in the scale for that? Maybe +1 / 0 / -1.

by JFS_PGH on Jun 25, 2008 10:45 PM EDT   0 recs

Sanchez

gets a brief mention. Do you have a sense about the relative skills of the others? Besides Samu kicking ass and Schleckie sucking it?

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Jun 25, 2008 10:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i think i'm going to close my eyes

seriously, i don’t think i can watch frankie descend ever again. wake me up when it’s over.

by gavia on Jun 25, 2008 10:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Evans scores again

If you are going to include a Descending category, then Cadel is probably going to score well on that too. His MTB background does seem to have served him well and he consistently seems to more than hold his own in the descending category…

by muk on Jun 25, 2008 11:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I seem to recall

that Valverde is a pretty decent descender as well. Or am I just thinking of LL Sanchez?

by Hons on Jun 26, 2008 12:41 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

sanchez is crazy

but valverde can definitely get it done.

by gavia on Jun 26, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you forgot Stijn Devolder?!!

Ok, no history in Tour..but i think he can do top 10 at minimun.

About Cunego team, 2? I think is one, who help him, Bruzeghin , Szmyd? Both had their best performance in Giro, and aren’t prepared for the task, i think…

by semprenaroda on Jun 25, 2008 11:34 PM EDT   0 recs

No way!

I will buy a Christiano Ronaldo jersey if Devolder finishes top 10.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Jun 26, 2008 1:36 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ok....will see ;)

buy instead a Deco’s jersey because for whom is the best player in the World, Ronaldo sucks in Euro…

by semprenaroda on Jun 26, 2008 1:52 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I will

eat a Cristiano Ronaldo jersey if Devolder breaks the top 10.

"Hey, hey, settle down boys and girls or Krusty will have to bring out his old friend Corporal Punishment again."

by Drew... on Jun 26, 2008 8:49 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Perfect!

Then I won’t have to wear the one I promised to buy.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Jun 26, 2008 12:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hold you horses

If it happens, you have to buy it and then I have to eat it. Fair is fair.

"Hey, hey, settle down boys and girls or Krusty will have to bring out his old friend Corporal Punishment again."

by Drew... on Jun 26, 2008 12:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

funny--we were thrilled by him this spring

And, say what you like about his taste in political pals and girlfriends, we tend to give some credence to L.A.’s taste in cyclists. Yet (even before that hideosity of a time trial) we have trouble seeing Devolder in the top-10. I won’t eat any shirts for anything less than a top 6. Surprised, yes…but no pledge to metabolize cotton.

by JFS_PGH on Jun 26, 2008 8:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It's

the climbing. Some of the guys on this list are more like Ardennes climbers. Devolder’s ability doesn’t even lengthen out that far. What’s he going to do on the Alpe d’Huez stage? I like the guy, but you can’t punch your way up the Galibier.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Jun 26, 2008 11:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The rest of the story...

...is Astana.

For me that leaves such a void in the roster that it’s hard to get fired up about the contenders. I hope and pray that somebody-Valverde, Samu?-gives us some spectacle, and someone does something unexpected (in a good way).

I’m in the mood for pyrotechnics, a genesis and a Revelation. I fear there will be none, and that’s a sad feeling.

Good article, Chris, very well-written and fun to read. Intelligent and interesting.

I’m with you on Caisse d’Epargne—That’s one crack team. Good luck to them. I want to be entertained.

by Steno on Jun 25, 2008 11:42 PM EDT   0 recs

I think

that you are more likely get what you want with Astana gone. What they might bring would be domination, but I think you are more likely to see spectacular pyrotechnics without them.

by Hons on Jun 26, 2008 12:45 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

While it would be nice

if the defending champ was riding this year, I think the wide open competition created by their absence will make for an exciting (potentially) race.

If Bert was riding we might get treated to a replay of any of Lance’s wins from 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005. With no absolute favorite (though I’m picking Cadel because of his overall strengths) and no overwhelming dominant teams we could be in all of the various contenders trading body shots for 3 weeks. And that’s really what I’m hoping for – an updated version of the ‘86 Tour. That would be sweet.

"Hey, hey, settle down boys and girls or Krusty will have to bring out his old friend Corporal Punishment again."

by Drew... on Jun 26, 2008 8:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

the thing that makes this tour exciting for me is that out of the favourites listed by Chris above, there are a number of different rider styles. And as we saw last year in the Giro, when you get a classics stud taking on a ‘classic’ GC type, you can get much more exciting racing much more of the time.

by Hons on Jun 26, 2008 11:45 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Low team scores

I agree with the relative rankings of the team scores. However, I noticed that the best team score was a 3 (shared by CSC, CdE, and Euskaltel). Are there really no great teams going to the Tour this year? What would Astana rank (WWAR)? How did you rank the Postal/Disco teams? It would be fun to see a post about the best Tour teams ever (or at least that we can remember).

BTW, great post. I agree nearly 100%.

by dheadrick on Jun 26, 2008 12:21 AM EDT   0 recs

Astana

would be a 3 on my scale—highest possible score. A few others might go down, in the relative sense.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Jun 26, 2008 1:38 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

oh and

excellent idea for a post. Best teams… though I can’t go back before 2000 myself.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Jun 26, 2008 1:38 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

FYI: Velonews TdF guide rankings

The Velonews TdF guide breaks down the competitors based on: (1) climbing ability, (2) time trial prowess, (3) tactical sense, and (4) team strength. Similar to this post, the riders are ranked in each category on a 10-point scale, and all the categories are added together for a total score. Here are the results:

1. Evans
2. Sastre
3. Menchov
4. Valverde
5. Frank Schleck
6. Cunego
7. Kirchen
8. Soler

BTW, the only pure 10 out of 10 was given to Soler’s climbing ability. The only 9.5 out of 10 was given to Evans’ time-trialing ability.

by dheadrick on Jun 26, 2008 12:28 AM EDT   0 recs

Sanchez in TTs?

4,5? Just behind Evans, ahead of Menchov, loads ahead of all the other GC guys? Really?

I wouldn’t rank him above Valverde. In fact, most of the times they’ve gone head to head against the clock, Valverde came out ahead.

I’‘d give Valverde and Sanchez both a 3.5. That would put Valverde tied in second with the real contenders, while Sanchez is appropriately put tied with his fellow classics guys Cunego and Kirchen, as well as his co-leader Zubeldia.

by William H on Jun 26, 2008 7:22 AM EDT   0 recs

Agreed

Menchov has a better record in the TT when it counts than LLS.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jun 26, 2008 8:44 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sanchez vs. Menchov

Last time they faced off at the Vuelta, Sammy won and Mencho was second. Earlier in the race Mencho killed Sammy, so maybe you’ve got a point there. Menchov doesn’t warrant a 4.5 though, I think. His Tour chronos haven’t been that great.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Jun 26, 2008 12:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sanchez says he's only going for stage wins

FWIW, he says that Zubeldia is the team’s leader.

I think Andy S. will finish far ahead of his brother.

by mysterion on Jun 26, 2008 9:42 AM EDT   0 recs

Dagnammit

Ah well… at least I admitted my Samu bias up front.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Jun 26, 2008 12:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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