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Dark Horses for the GC

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Chris fashioned a nice post on the Tour GC faves. gavia did the same with the chase for the White Jersey which overlaps with Chris'.  Now to complete the overlapping let's try to ID who are the second tier GC guys: riders who might sneak into the top-10 if all goes well. Some of them are also White jersey contenders. Let's look!... and please add more riders if I missed any. Oh- and these are in no order of likelihood.

AG2R has three ponies of a darker hue: Vlad Efimkin, Tadej Valjavec, and Cyril Dessel. Each one by themselves seems a long shot but if the team works well together one of them could contend for a top 10 placing. Of the three the least likely of course is Vlad Efimkin for no other reason than he's one of the Vlads who the Furies seem to hate this year. Oh well. As far as I can tell he's never raced the Tour before but he does have Grand Tour experience with the Vuelta (07- 6th), and Giro (06-36th) . That 6th place finish in last year's Vuelta is nothing to sneeze at- if your name wasn't Vlad. I can just see it: a "wind gust" plucking him off the top of L'Alpe d"Huez...

Chance of top 10: -1000%.

Tadej Valjavec is another contender. He just placed 13th in this year's Giro too. (I'd like to do a real breakdown of riders who raced in the same year's Giro and Tour to see how much it hurt them for the Tour, if any.  I know the conventional wisdom is that its a bad idea but how bad?) Last year Tadej skipped the Giro for the Tour and finished a mildly disappointing 19th. I say mildly disappointing as he finished 17th the year before after a looked-like-he-was-training-for-the-Tour Giro effort of 34th. He was 15th in the 05 Giro and 9th the year before that so maybe the Giro is his kind of Grand Tour and that an upper teens Tour finish is the best that we can expect. <

Chance of top 10: 3.14%

The third member of the AG2R troika, Cyril Dessel, has the best Tour finish of all the dark horses I list with a 7th in 06. He bit the dust in the Pyrenees last year but perhaps he and his boot heels are back and ready to surprise again.  Just imagine: like in 06 can't you see the big GC faves letting Dessel go on a long break in the Massif Central or Pyrenees as they are too busy eyeing each other?  Yes you can, even you Hons. To add fuel to this hope, please note that Cyril placed 6th in the tune--up Dolphin race ahead of Astarloza, Monfort, Rodgers, Trofimov, Sastre, Szymd, Casar, and Di Gregorio among others.  He looks ready to me. 

Chance of top 10: 25%

Since Dessel is French lets segue over to some more riders of the French persuasion. Let's start with Sandy Casar who this year has a 13th in the Dolphin, a 6th in Romandie, and an 8th at Pais Vasco in his account.  All in all this is a bounce back year from his poor 07 and is more like his previous solid several years. His best Tour finish though is only a 16th in 04 and since then has gone 29th, 69th, and 71st. L'ouch.   Perhaps the Tour doesn't agree with this French guy? 

Chance of top 10: 10%

How about Maxime Monfort then? He's a youngster, only 25, who this year finished 9th in the Dolphin and 5th at Pais Vasco. That last placing was pretty good. Kim Kirchen, and Frank Schleck, both of whom Chris mentioned in his Tour faves preview, would have liked to have finished 5th in that race. I don't see that he's raced the Tour before but  last year he finished 11th in the Vuelta so it says here that this guy has to be taken seriously.  He can climb fairly well and can chrono too. 

Chance of top 10: 35%

Think Chris Moreau has it in him for one last run at the Tour? So far this year he hasn't been nearly as prominent as last year- which might be a good thing for this 37 year old. Chance of top 10: 30.3333333333333333%

A sort-of French guy (hey he's with Bweeg!) is Yury Trofimov, last sen lighting up the hills in the Dolphin en route to a 12th place finish. He can chrono too as his 7th @ the Dolphin TT can attest. He's never done a Grand Tour before so to me a top 30 placing would be great.  I'm sure we will see him on a breakaway or two: how about a mountain break of Soler, Ricco, Di Gregorio, and Trofimov?  Cool. 

Chance of top 10: 1%

Enough with the French (if you think I'm gonna mention Voeckler, think again.) Let's go north of the border to Belgium where the Stijn Devolder lives.  Being a parent of three boys I know how so many kids, especially boys in America are being medicated with Ritalin and if someone had suggested that one of my boys should be on the drug I would have gone Jens! on them but just maybe that would cure Devo of his, shall we say impulsiveness? We know he can climb.  We know he can chrono. He should be comfortably in the top 20 and in the years ahead the top 10.  He's never done a Grand Tour so maybe once he's done this one he'll understand what it really takes to win.[Brain fart edit! as umwolverine says in the comments, Devo's ridden the Vuelta.  All I know is that he'll show us some stupid attacks. 

Chance of top 10: either 100% or 0% you choose.

Before we leave France entirely there's LL Sanchez of the part French in name only Caisse d'Epargne. He's had a decent year so far with a 1st in the national TT- and a 28th in the RR. His only GT experience is in the Vuelta where he's done little of note but again he seems to be a rapidly improving youngster. He's also the first rider mentioned who's riding for one of the heavy faves (Valverde) so that will probably hurt his chances for a high placing. 

Chance of top 10: 2%

Another dark horse riding for someone else is Kanstantsin Siutsou last seen riding a disappointing (to my VDS owner's eyes) DNF in this year's Giro.  Last year he was on Barloworld where he finished 32nd in the Tour.  In neither the Giro or Tour did he place higher than 19th- but that 19th was in this year's Giro stage 19.  We know he can climb. He seems to be the anti-Devo in that he's innately conservative.  He'll be riding for Kirchen.  Perhaps not this year but down the line he could become a factor. 

Chance of top 10: square root of 2%

Okay now we'll get serious with Roman Kreuziger and Vincenzo Nibali, both on Liquigas. Both can chrono and climb.  Both are young. Neither have Tour experience though both have GT experience.  I think that the Tour's climbs would fit Nibali better than the Giro's. Kreuziger may have peaked too soon in the Suisse Tour, but then again he had a similar result- 2nd place to Big Bird, in Romandie a month before so perhaps the quality we've seen from him this summer is a base level not a peak. (That's a scary thought. Oh and Big Bird is Kloden.) Both will be serious GC contenders for years. Perhaps this is the race that tone or both fully announce themselves. 

Chance of top 10: Nibali- 20%, Kreuziger- 33.33%

Speaking of Italy, we come to the Lampre and  Marzio Bruseghin. Of course he's on Happy Puppy's (Cunego) team so I doubt he will get much freedom but you never know how the race will unfold. For instance its wouldn't surprise me a bit if after the 1st TT Bruse is ahead of Cunego. Do they think lightning can strike twice in the same year with Bruse after his podium in the Giro? Kinda doubt it myself but he's a chronoman par excellence, can handle pressure real well and did some nice climbing in the Giro.  

Chance of top 10: 5%

Last but not least (maybe) is Cobo Acebo of The Great Saunier Duval-Scott team who placed 20th last year in the Tour.  How will he get along with Ricco?  Will having Piepoli help him, as opposed to Mayo who finished 16th and was much more of a contender last year? This year Cobo's done squat with a 7th in the Dolphin stage to Morzine the best result.  All I know is that with Ricco racing Saunier Duval-Scott will be fun to watch- and read about from gavia's gossip columns! 

Chance of top 10: 1%

Okay- who did I miss? Who do you like?

 

 

Poll
Who's the big dog here? Who will finish highest?
Christophe Moreau
13 votes
Tadej Valjavec
1 votes
LL Sanchez
7 votes
Sandy Casar
9 votes
Roman Kreuzinger
28 votes
Vicenzo Nibali
1 votes
Yuri Trofimov
2 votes
Cyril Dessel
10 votes
Maxime Monfort
15 votes
Juan Jose Cobo Acebo
8 votes
Kanstansin Siutsou
6 votes
Vlad Efimkin
5 votes
Stijn Devolder
40 votes

145 votes | Poll has closed

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devolder never ridden a grand tour? or just the TDF?

he’s ridden the vuelta three times, placong 12th in 2006. he wore the golden fleece for a day in 2007, but had to retire due to a bad knee.

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jun 29, 2008 4:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Have you seen the TT when he get the leadersjersey?

He had 15 minute recovery time.. Next day he failed on the first high mountains.. Maybe he went to deep in the TT? Nothing to do with a bad knee I think

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Jun 29, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes...

i saw the 2007 TT when studd got the golden fleece. yes, i saw him fail in the high mountains the next day. i wasn’t inferring by my post that the bad knee caused devolder to lose time on mountain climb. the bad knee caused him to abandon the vuelta…..

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jun 29, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good Write-Up

I think Bruse could do a decent ride in the Tour. I think he’s had his good time trials for the year though. Other than the 07 and 08 Giros and a previous national TT champ, he doesn’t really have much of a record in the ITT but he can ride a decent one and climb pretty well. I see him doing better than Ricco. He is probably better suited to these kinds of climbs and can definitely ride a much better TT than Ricco. But since he’s riding for Il Piccolo, I wouldn’t expect him to get any freedom unless Cunego implodes, which could very well happen.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jun 29, 2008 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Forgot to add

I like Kreuziger for a good ride. He’s had a fantastic year and he’s obviously got loads of talent. Humble guy too, they kind that I’d like to see do something. Not to mention that Liquigas will be riding for him probably.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jun 29, 2008 5:56 PM EDT reply actions  

looking forward to Kreuziger's ride, for sure

Interesting to see how both of those guys go, actually.

by Jen See on Jun 29, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice job!

Man, this site practically writes itself…

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 29, 2008 6:00 PM EDT reply actions  

hey...

where’s that kom flow chart thingy? the suspense is killing me…

by Jen See on Jun 29, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

shhhhh

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 29, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

So smiling...

Did you see the Toto Turns with Bugs and Daffy? So cracked up!

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Jun 29, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha!

by the way, you have mail :-)

by Jen See on Jun 29, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just checked both...

And don’t see anything… which one?

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Jun 29, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

uh..

the one you used to email me? just a reply thingy to the fwd thingy you sent me.

by Jen See on Jun 29, 2008 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got it!

Just took a bit. Weeeeee…. :-)

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Jun 29, 2008 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

No shhhhshing!!!

Where’s the chart? AND when does Jimbo get back? That man owes us one too! ha ha ha!!!

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Jun 29, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Voeckler!

Defintely gonna ride eehm top 50 :) You have to mention him only for his style and bravure! Always attack and maybe he can do a Pereiro.. But I know you wouldn’t insert him

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Jun 29, 2008 6:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Nope,

according to Ursula, Dessel is going to pull a Pereiro this year scoff

by Hons on Jun 29, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

He alredy did that.. Same yeaur and finish 7th..

I don;t think they are so stupid to let hem try it one more time.. Especially not after the stage victories in Dunkerque and that Spanish course.. But u never know.. Maybe he has paid the price to do it

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Jun 29, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Although, actually like Dessel. Can’t say the same for the other two.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jun 29, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

mmm...

Posté le Dimanche 29 juin 2008 @ 13:42:07
Cyril Dessel a abndonnĂ©, après 74 kilomètres parcourus lors des Championnats de France. Un vĂ©ritable coup dur pour l’Ă©quipe AG2R.

by lucybears on Jun 29, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Cobo has defintely a chance

Has he prepared for the Tour or is it just his schedule?

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Jun 29, 2008 6:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Cobo's prep work

Last year he did Catalunya then Suisse. This year Catalunya then Dolphin. So yes, its part of his schedule but clearly he’s got a multiyear project of targeting the Tour and he’s seeing if the Dolphin is a better prep.

by ursula on Jun 29, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice write-up

Fun read, thanks.

Casar has ridden hard in the Giro the last few years, and ridden for stages rather than the general at the Tour. He was sixth (I believe) in last year’s Giro. Or was that the year before? Eh, I have no brain at the moment. Anyway, a top ten at the Tour is probably a reasonable goal for him, but not a given.

Dessel was sick last year with that toxothingy that Feillu had this year. He said that he never felt good last season, but is back on track now. Good ride at the Dauphiné, good shot at a top ten.

I don’t think Bruse has a chance – or even an ambition – to ride for himself in France. Maybe a stage win in one of the cronos, but he’s always played the gregario quite devotedly. Which totally mixes the metaphor all up – can one be loyal to a Happy Puppy? Only at the Cafe.

Devolder? He’ll detonate on one of the mountain stages. I don’t think he’s a rider for the grand tours. He doesn’t have the head, or the legs.

by Jen See on Jun 29, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

ps...

i think one of you b tags is open. is that like telling a dude his fly is down? maybe.

;-)

by Jen See on Jun 29, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

And I can’t find that damn b tag either…. I’m not a big fan of HTML.

by ursula on Jun 29, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

evil b tag!!!

check your p and span tags ;-)

by Jen See on Jun 30, 2008 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're right about Bruse being loyal

I don’t think he has a chance for an ITT win, but he’ll probably do a good TT ride and he can climb well too. I just wish he would have had more freedom before now. Who knows what Bruse could have done if he would have been given freedom earlier on. But anyways, Cunego could do worse than having Bruse riding for him. It’s just a shame that Pello isn’t riding the Tour. He’s made me a fan this year.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jun 29, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

so heart Pellizotti :-)

a fave of mine, for sure. i couldn’t decide who to root for between bruse and him in the final crono, there.

by Jen See on Jun 29, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1 for

including a Bweeg. Allez Trophy mom!

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 29, 2008 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

heh.

you just wanted an excuse to say trophy mom.

really, that has to be one of the cafe’s better efforts.

by Jen See on Jun 29, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm

I checked the poll a couple hours ago and the leaders were Devo and Kreuziger w/ 7 votes and Monfort w/ 6. .Now K and M still have 7 & 6 while Devo is at…18?? WTF? Someone here likes Devo enough to try to stuff the ballot? lol.

by ursula on Jun 29, 2008 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

His fanclub

logged in…

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 29, 2008 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm in his fan club too,

but i vote in Casar…At least i think will be the best french…

by semprenaroda on Jun 30, 2008 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would expect Yaroslav Popovich to be in, or near, the top 10 and . . .

. . . if Evans has already shot off too many bullets earlier this season, I could easily see Popo stepping in and taking a podium slot.

by Ryan_Liles on Jun 30, 2008 2:21 AM EDT reply actions  

If no one else is dumb enough to say it, I will : Sylvain Chavanel

OK , so maybe he’s discovered that what he really wants to be is a classics-stud but he has had one hell of a season. Considering he’s been the great french hope for so long I would be surprised if he didn’t at least gave the CG a try. He’s obviously on form and the field is weak this year so I say his chances of top 10 are 75%.

by Jens on Jun 30, 2008 3:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Piepoli

has a very, very tiny chance.

I read somewhere that Kreuz may be pulled early. Can’t remember where. If he’s doing well I’m sure Liquigas will hold off though.

by mysterion on Jun 30, 2008 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Post Suisse-comments were

that he would evaluate after 10 stages and decide if it was worth the effort to finish.

by Jens on Jun 30, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mikel Astarloza?

Sure, he’s third on Euski’s pecking order, but he’s finished in the top 10 of three one-week stage races this year and in last years TdF. He ’s not on Drew’s VDS team is he?

by huy on Jun 30, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Hell no!

I only pick the best.

"Hey, hey, settle down boys and girls or Krusty will have to bring out his old friend Corporal Punishment again."

by Drew Davis on Jun 30, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

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