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Letour-sq2_1__mediumEvery Tour de France has its surprising performances, and the two which stand out this time are Riccardo Riccò and Christian VandeVelde. Two guys who rode fantastically in the Pyrenees, and you can make an argument that either one of them is best positioned to steal this Tour from Cadel Evans. That's where the similarities end.

VandeVelde has put in a decade of hard, effective work, nearly all of which was done in support of someone else's ambitions. In the binary world of American Pro Tour cyclists you've either bagged a Tour podium or seven... or you're nobody. But to anyone (like Jonathan Vaughters) who bothered to pay attention, his results have been solid and slowly improving.

Star-divide

Despite working for the CSC machine, VandeVelde has posted decent finishes in the high mountains of the Tour over the past three years. He also has a long history of strong time trials: 19th at the final Tour ITT last year (impressive after three weeks of domestique work); 15th and 5th at the two flat Giro ITTs, and a win at the Circuit de la Sarthe this spring, to go with two team TTT wins. It's been interesting watching him slowly evolve into captaincy of a major team -- a game of confidence that few ex-domestiques win. Not that he's mastered it: over at VN he's saying he regrets holding back yesterday, where a more aggressive posture might have had him in yellow now. Then again, most of his 38-second deficit occurred at Super-Besse, where he attacked the heads of state and lost 27" after they reeled him in. There's no telling what he'll do in the Alps, but his history of dropping 5-15 minutes has more to do with his domestique duties than anything else.

Riccò, meanwhile, is the natural -- literally: after being held out of the pro circuit for unacceptable blood values, he got sent to the lab in 2005 to prove that he has a normal hematocrit level in excess of 50%. He was born to climb, and seems to be extending that prowess from lower Italian roads to the summits of the Tour de France. At age 24 he's already been handed the reins of a Pro Tour outfit, and while he's rubbed plenty of his coworkers the wrong way, he's also delivered on his promise from the get-go. Riccò won the demanding Tre Cime di Lavaredo stage of the Giro in 2007, along with two more stages and the maglia blanca this year. He regularly lashed out at the peloton, including Alberto Contador, on the hardest climbs of a hard Giro, only losing the big prize through some unwatchable time trialing form. His two wins of the Tour don't come without caveats -- both were on (or just after) cat-2 climbs, which are a different animal than what's coming in the Alps. But the Tour hasn't seen a lot of pure climbers lately, so Riccò's sudden ascendancy is welcomed (if you don't despise him).

There are a lot of stories left to play out in this Tour, but most have to do with whether one known quantity (e.g., Sastre, Menchov, etc) can surpass another known quantity (Evans) in time for Paris. Riccò and VandeVelde, the young natural and the veteran grinder, are by contrast the two most exciting developments left to watch.

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Agree about CVV

Ricco has already shown himself in the Giro so I have to say that CVV is more of the revelation between the two. All that domestique work and no shots at being a captain in the past. He’s apparently always had this kind of potential but never had a platform to do so until now. I hope the rest of the Tour goes good for him and maybe we’ll see him in some other big races. Now if JV can just pick up a couple more guys to help out… Anyways, great write-up as always Chris. PdC rocks all the way around. It’s like crack to me; I just have to get my fix!

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jul 15, 2008 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

New rider coming

I thought JV had insinuated there is a big player Garmin is navigating to bring on the team’s course next year.

by spokejunky on Jul 15, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm

As big a rider as Rock signing Landis?

by ursula on Jul 15, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember that too

I’m very curious who that might be.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jul 15, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think ( for no good reason ) that Thor is the candidate.

I remember Vaughters saying something about getting more wins, and CA’s roster will be looking for jobs real soon.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. - G. Marx

by flying dog on Jul 15, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thor and Maggy on the same team?

Can Sweden and Norway really get along? Cats and Dogs living together… MASS HYSTERIA!

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by crashdan on Jul 15, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see Thor joining Garmin

he’s used to being top dog and have a team build for him. That wouldn’t be the case anymore.

by lyne on Jul 15, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent commentary

I almost hate to ask this, since it sounds like whining, but:

What does Kohl have to do to get attention?

Brooklyn Chewing Gum: Vlaanderens Mooiste

by Koppenberg on Jul 15, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

He got my attention with his ride

Although it’s been expected from him for some time now. He’s finally starting to deliver. The same goes for V. Efimkin. He’s finally getting himself together.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jul 15, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Power poll

I tried focusing on him then. Not quite sold yet.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 15, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha :-)

Sit on the group of favorites, inside the camera frame?

He said he’s hoping for a top ten in Paris. Very popular in Germany and Austria, apparently he’s super friendly.

Anyway, that was a sweet ride. Hope he can hold it.

by Jen See on Jul 15, 2008 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I can say is...

I am glad they are BOTH on my team!!!

Now if only Txurruka would win something!

Racing for Victory and Free Beer!

by DemonCats on Jul 15, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I know!

And when I called them two years ago to see if they would send out some prize jerseys, the then-team manager told me we werent their type!

Maybe I was ahead of the times!

Just like bike commuting! 10 years and counting!!!

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by DemonCats on Jul 15, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

ACTUALLY...

we “weren’t their market!”

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by DemonCats on Jul 15, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The reason I found that article...

... was searching for articles about John Eustice (to see if our repetitive Mancrush Bashing made it onto Google News)... maybe we should send Drew to sweet talk him into giving up a little shwag.

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by crashdan on Jul 15, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately... distressingly... inexplicably...

no. If it had, I’d have created an entire fanpost dedicated only to that. How fitting would it be if he’s ego surfing on Google some day and comes across those Philly Week posts.

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by crashdan on Jul 15, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

odd

usually google picks up everything we say here. i’m not sure that’s a good thing ;-)

by Jen See on Jul 15, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's all there

google “eustice mancrush”

by Jimbo... on Jul 15, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah,...

I’m sure at this point if you google demoncats and michael ball, you won’t see much praise!

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by DemonCats on Jul 15, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Millar vs CVV

Going into the TdF, was Millar and CVV both riding as protected riders? Still the case? I am confused about Millar’s role now.

by Ron... on Jul 15, 2008 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Strictly support

on the lower slopes and flat roads if and when CVV got yellow. He can’t climb well enough in anything over a Cat 2 to be any help to him otherwise.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Jul 15, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Millar apologetic

Versus you could hear Millar apologize for not being up helping out CVV yesterday. CVV was not too cool about missing the bridge up to Piepoli yesterday as well. So it sounds like CVV’s got the legs and Millar is doing the domestique thing until it’s chrono time.

by spokejunky on Jul 15, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I caught that, too

though when Millar apologized, White told him “that’s not your job”. I dunno if he was just trying to be encouraging, but it doesn’t sound like CVV is going to have much help in the Alps…

by Le Comte on Jul 15, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its Lowe or nuthin'

in the Alps for CVV. I actually think Lowe could help on the early mountains of each stage as long as CSC isn’t dong another Voigt-Cancellara meth-fueled charge.

by ursula on Jul 15, 2008 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the original plan

was that they were both protected with hopes to get Millar the Yellow in stage 4.
After that all eyes to C for overall solid GC, including Millar helping.

I don’t think anything has changed that. Millar missed the yellow which was a bummer but plan still going. That and break aways and some stage hunting. I thought Millar was also eyeing a flatter/maybe smaller rolling stage as well but I don’t recall which one.

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Jul 15, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Millar now as the role of “helper.”

by dheadrick on Jul 16, 2008 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just imagine this CVV working for CSC if he hadn't left

What a job he could have done!

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jul 15, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

C's been pretty impressive at CSC the past 2 years but has been a quiet in PR.

His confidence is getting him some attention.

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Jul 15, 2008 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Puerto Rico?

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by crashdan on Jul 16, 2008 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would be "Public Relations" :-)

C has (at least up until this year) been pretty quiet promoting himself.
It’s been fun to see him step up and talk some more. :-)

PopUp – not sure if you listen to WGN ever but his cousin from time to time has him on air in the morning. He was on this morning and I would think he would be again on the next rest day when they don’t have to do it so early to catch him before starts. :-)

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Jul 16, 2008 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

CVV & Ricco

I am very psyched to see CVV firing with the big guns … though here’s hoping he’s got more going that ‘98 Julich! On the pluses, CVV seems to have a bit more, shall we say, tactical nous than does Julich, for example.

But what remains to be seen, in stark contrast to Ricco, is whether he’s got that animalistic instinct to unleash and bury a struggling foe. I suggest that his indecisiveness on the final climb yesterday means he’s still toggling between domestique and captain a little bit …

My other idea for CVV — we will see how he handles his jou sans, ‘cause if it comes at the wrong time and place, it could blow him right out of the water. Though Vaughters has been maintaining that CVV will improve into the third week, so …

As for Ricco — the fair-haired haughty aristocrat attitude remind me of Anquetil, and like Jacques, Ricco apparently won’t hesitate to drop the axe when he feels like it. He talks a lot, but his legs talk a lot, too, and man, you can’t eff with the guy in the group who can put the hurt on everyone, even if he is a dickhead.

Finally, I’m calling it here and now: archive this post, ‘cause Saunier Duval-Scott = ‘96 Gewiss. Three stages, two of ‘em back-to-back, and the top two steps on the podium on the Hautacam? YEAH RIGHT.

/cynicism

by 72andSunny on Jul 15, 2008 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

CVV

Hard to build that kind of confidence after being a domestique for so long, I’d think. But he sounded like he wishes he’d done it yesterday; maybe the lesson was learned.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 15, 2008 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think i saw

CVV almost drop in the last climb, in someone attack. CVV are doing the race of his life, until now!!

Ricco prove that he was a nature talent.

Sorry but i believe that CVV at least a bad day (+5min) he will have…

by semprenaroda on Jul 15, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yoda?

Is that you Yoda?

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by DemonCats on Jul 15, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe, lol

but this time was due to my poor English, was without intent.

Yoda speakings, mean something in USA that i don’t know about? Wisdom?

by semprenaroda on Jul 15, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dammit...

... can’t find the Yoda “Jedi Scandal” sketch from Chappelle’s Show.

“Good blow this is… get down do you?”

After a hard day of watching a Tour stage, I like to unwind with Verbotene Liebe

by crashdan on Jul 15, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah i know Yoda of course, and his sentences

but i supose that one anybody talks like that, you are talking like have knowledge of this matter lol, but again a did without intent.

I just read the diary of Murilo Fischer. Someone asked him, who the guys who are more cool in the peloton, he says that already talks with Evans, Schleck, but with Menchov he didn’t say and Hello!! lol

Menchov seems a Ice guy, maybe a snob too..

by semprenaroda on Jul 15, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The confidence is really hard to find after years of those support roles.

And most forget what it means to go for it as they’ve been taught to bury themselves and then sit up, job done.

I love C to death and his drive this past winter was one of beauty to see him dig deep to set and go after new goals. Yep – Me… still giddy even tonight. :) I’ve been his fan and will always be his fan and I’m super proud of him. I would love to see him continue this and as a friendly fan, this Tour has already been super amazing and I hope no one takes that away from him – regardless of the final result. He’s not done yet guys and he’s got something to prove. Maybe most to himself that yes, he CAN do this and do it well. :) Go C!

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Jul 15, 2008 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

CVV

I just re-watched the final 5km. It didn’t look to me like CVV had it to attack and gain time. Also, Cadel and Menchov were sharing the load and would have brought back CVV if he attacked.

by dheadrick on Jul 16, 2008 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Frank

The elder Schleck is the big revelation to me. He’s never shown himself as anything like a GC rider for the Tour – looked like a hilly classic specialist to me, likely to be overshadowed by his little brother in the grand tours. Now he’s 1 second off yellow.

Ricco had proven himself a brilliant climber in the previous two Giros. I wasn’t expecting him to still have top form, but since he has he’s not a surprise. To me the surprise on SD is Cobo, who looked remarkably strong yesterday.

by William H on Jul 15, 2008 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I am waiting to pass judgement

on Frank until he does more than one day of great riding. I was all on the band wagon after Alp d’Huez in ‘06 but nothing else came of it.

by Clydesdale on Jul 15, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Si..

I had to look up Cobo’s previous results – I did not really comprende what he was doing at the front of the bike race yesterday. I erm, took as a gregario for Peipoli’s stage ambitions. Um, sorry Senor Cobo? He was 20th last year, and probably as a realistic chance at the top ten. Now that I comprede Senor Cobo, Saunier’s ride yesterday was brilliant, though it lacked the fireworks of the CSC raid.

by Jen See on Jul 15, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let CSC do the dirty work

and SDV cleans up the results.

Makes sense given that on the flats SDV isn’t all that strong.

by ursula on Jul 15, 2008 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

well...

even without the csc zaniness, i think Saunier would still have managed to find their way to the front on the hautacam. they just might have had to wade through a few extra bodies.

by Jen See on Jul 15, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schumacher on the ITT

The biggest upset had to be Stefan Schumacher taking the ITT from Millar and Cancellera. I had to go back in the books to find out if he’d even won an ITT before that day. Schumacher isn’t a stranger to winning the ITT, but I’d say that was a pretty big win against the heavy hitters who came to play that day.

by spokejunky on Jul 15, 2008 4:59 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. - G. Marx

by flying dog on Jul 15, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

FC tagged him before the race

Actually if you look at Cance’s comments before the TT he actually said Schumacher could be a possible winner because of the shorter length. He has the power at that distance. So I don’t see that as such a big revelation as more of a good day. Ricco is good, but I want to see where he finishes if he finishes. SD is great because it looks like they don’t give a hoot about conserving anything and are just going hard on each stage. Generally it catches up to you, but sometimes it doesn’t.

by Markk on Jul 15, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saunier Duval... something in the water?

Saunier Duval has won all the mountain stages… hmmm… “special” mineral water?

by SportsAcademic on Jul 15, 2008 6:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Is there something I don't know?

Are SDV somehow a suspect outfit? These are the guys who were doing social work in Mali, planting trees for human rights, etc. Also, their previous captain was Simoni, a fairly unsuspicious character. Are people questioning their ethics on something besides the fact that they’ve won a few races?

Not on you SportsAcademic; I’ve seen a number of similar comments. And I believe people have a right to ask, since the sport has let us down enough times. But is there any reason to think this way, really?

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 15, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last year

they had Mayo and Peipoli had too much asthma medication. But I do not recall any other acts of malfeasance.

by australopithecine on Jul 15, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mayo

OK, he might be an EPO guy. I guess his case is kind of a mess.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 15, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

My only question is this

How can Ricco at 24 hold this kind of form through two 3 week grand tours? If he doesn’t show a loss of form soon, I will have no choice but to suspect the worst. Who has 2 three week peaks separated by just over a month? It’s hard to swallow, that’s all. If he’s a special case, then he surely must be the best in the world. I’m willing to be there are a few guys that would disagree with that.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jul 15, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

How did Cunego...

do it at the Giro several years ago?

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by DemonCats on Jul 15, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

He won the Giro in '04

But didn’t do squat in the Tour. I’m asking how he’s able to have two 3 week runs of fantastic form only 1 month after the Giro at the age of 24? That’s the question.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jul 15, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The he above is Ricco.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jul 15, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

that’s your answer:

he’s a 24 year-old freak of nature w/a super quick recovery time. He also weighs 57 freakin’ kilos, which is probably too light to work the runway in Milan . . . but ok leaving Cattle gasping.

As a certain Greg Lemond likes to point out, a little too often for my tastes-and I like Greg again-class tells. And winners win early and often.

Of course, he could also be doped to the gills.

by R Mc on Jul 15, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

A "natural" hematocrit of >50?

Also, freak of nature or no, Cunego killed the 2004 Giro … and didn’t enter the following Tour, and in fact didn’t win anything ‘til later that fall.

So Ricco is proving himself to be very, very (VERY) strong to contend for the overall at the Giro, win 2 stages and take top 5 in 3 other stages - AND win 2 stages at the Tour — one of them in the Pyrennes. And apparently he’s feeling good enough to start jawing about winning Alpe D’Huez? Sheesh.

And let’s not forget that Piepoli is 37 years old. Fricking THIRTY-SEVEN.

Look, I want to think the guy is a natural beast, and a phenom, and champions DO win early and often. So we’ll see, that’s all. It is pretty craze at the team’s consistent strength in the mountains, however, especially considering their volume and race schedule this year.

Ah forget it, just getting it off my chest - forgive the cynicism, which is all too easy to fall prey to. This Tour, in my mind, has been incredible from stage 1, and that’s not something I thought I’d ever say about the Tour.

j

by 72andSunny on Jul 15, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not buying the "super quick" recovery time theory

That’s hard to believe. I don’t want to buy into your last sentence but you never know.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jul 15, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

hematocrit

if you’re over 50, doesn’t that mean you recover faster than normal guys?

Also, history is littered with people riding both races. They stopped being able to do the double right around when EPO came along and the average speed of transition stages crept up over 35mph. Maybe the end of doping means slower pace (at least at times), and maybe that translates into guys riding both the Giro and the Tour again.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 15, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

35 MPH? Are you sure?

That seems impossibly high for 200+K, even if everyone were on EPO. Anyways, doing two GTs doesn’t translate into 3 weeks of fantastic form and then 3 weeks of fantastic form separated by only a month. Even back when Mercyx was doing it, everyone was “preparing”. Even he tested positive at least once. No, if I’m going to believe that, I need to see blood values/tests first. A higher hematocrit level ensures that your blood carries more oxygen, but I don’t know about recovery. 24 is a bit young to have that kind of endurance.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jul 16, 2008 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can't recall

the exact number, but the story of the Tour in the prime EPO era was the uncanny nature to “go” from the start of every last stage. ANd I do believe the avg speed was in the 30s outside the climbs.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 16, 2008 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

not always

Sometimes it does, but recovery is more complicated than that. It can serve to raise VO2 and/or power at threshold (since threshold is farther out, because you have more oxygen crusing around), but again, VO2 and threshold are more complicated than that. In the doping scheme of things, it’s actually better to have a natural ‘crit that’s low, because then you can dope it on up to the limits. If you do it right, on one will ever know. (Just ask Beltran.) Usually high ‘crit is an adaptation to altitude, sometimes it’s just a freak of genetics. Asthmatics often have high ‘crit as a compensation for lower oxygen absorption. But in of itself, high ‘crit will not make you a fast bike racer. Many people out there are naturally close to the magic 50%, but would not be under the training load of a pro cyclist. Hence, doping was born. The end.

by Jen See on Jul 16, 2008 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Riding two GTs back to back

seems to have become far more popular over the last couple of years. Evans (2nd and 4th), Menchov (Chickened and 1st), Sastre (4th and 2nd) all rode the TdF-Vuelta double last year and did quite well. Sastre and Evans have long histories of being year long riders – Sastre I think even rode all 3 GTs for a couple of years. So would it surprise you if Ricco did 2nd and say 5th at the Giro/TdF double? I think it’s fair to say that it is virtually impossible to hold peak form for 10 weeks or whatever it takes to ride both – but who’s to say what Ricco’s (for example) true peak is. Maybe he was on the upswing at the giro and the downswing here and at 95% of his true capability at both? Anyway I’m not sure what to make of all this – but Ricco’s upper body is pretty scary so I’m not at all surpised he climbs with a very healthy W/kg.

by Rothko on Jul 16, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The biggest nasty on Ricco

is the fact that he keeps the same soigneur as Pantani. A guy who has a major reputation for pharmaceutical talents and isn’t even shy to talk about it (been suspended to I believe).

That said there isn’t really any major evidence that SDV is dirty, just a too big number of separate dangersigns that when you put them together marks them as a team not to cheer for in my book. Trust is hard to come by these days.

by Jens on Jul 16, 2008 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trust

yeah, it comes from proactive prevention, not lack of evidence of crimes.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 16, 2008 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

amatuer days

He had troubles with the authorities as an amateur, including a suspension. Eh, I’m too lazy to run down the deets at the moment, but he has a bit of a rep. for glazing his donuts.

by Jen See on Jul 16, 2008 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wise words

If it looks like shit, and smells like shit…

by Jimbo... on Jul 17, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

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