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More EPO: Moises Duenas busted

Moises Duenas of Barloworld has tested positive for EPO after the stage 4 TT. Police took him in for questioning at the team hotel in Tarbes wednesday morning. Barloworld have pulled him from the race but the rest of the team will stay in the race. Duenas, formerly of Agritubel rode well on the Hautacam stage and stayed with the lead group for a long time.He was placed 19 in the CG some 6 minutes behind Evans. Guess we know why now.

Source: Laykeep

Update from Gavia: A search of his hotel room revealed that Dueñas had "significant quantities" of medicines in his room, for which he had no perscription. Dueñas is currently being held for questioning by French authorities, and is expected to be released sometime tomorrow morning. He is now suspended from Team Barloworld, pending further investigation.

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Bummer

Thing I hate is the cloud it cast over the whole damn team, as I’ve come to see doping as more of a team issue than an individual issue. Oh well, back to the racing…

"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race

by ELVISGOAT on Jul 16, 2008 6:49 AM EDT reply actions  

OK

hands up anyone who thought of Barloworld as Slipstream mk2.

by Monty. on Jul 16, 2008 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

another spaniard caught while riding for a foreign team

The 4th this year (astarloa, patxi vila, beltran, dueñas).

by King of Doping on Jul 16, 2008 6:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I knew I should've gone to sleep instead of checking in...

Poop.
The idiots that are still doping make me ill.

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Jul 16, 2008 6:58 AM EDT reply actions  

New idea for blood dopers

Extract a unit of blood and keep them in the race without the opportunity to drop out. That would give a new meaning to the term lantern rouge.

by Softie on Jul 16, 2008 7:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice idea!

After a hard day of watching a Tour stage, I like to unwind with Verbotene Liebe

by crashdan on Jul 16, 2008 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

A bright side?

Maybe it’s a good sign that in previous years the dopers were the bigger names, but now it’s more the C or D list riders?

Or maybe I’m speaking too soon…

by rocketpress on Jul 16, 2008 8:39 AM EDT reply actions  

My thoughts

exactly? A bummer, but maybe it’s a good sign they’re catching out lesser names?

by 72andSunny on Jul 16, 2008 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate that it continues to happen

but I like that they continue to be caught. It’s a process, albeit a slow one.

And when are the freaking Spanish riders going to learn? Sheesh.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Jul 16, 2008 8:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Duenas = Beltran

Another old domestique… get lost Duenas.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 16, 2008 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Not old...

too early, can’t do math. Still, my “fuck off” applies.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 16, 2008 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can't help but

hear the AC/DC song echoing in my head “Shot down in flames”

by spokejunky on Jul 16, 2008 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

jerôme pineau

I think that it is good for the fight [against doping], that is to say, that the controls are going on. Moise Duenas, turned professional last year and joined a French team, then left to a foreign team, and who began to climb the cols with the best, has gotten himself caught, too bad for him! Those like him who want to continue to race bikes and cheat, the sport does not need any more. It is sad for the sport because everyone will again say that cyclists are cheaters.

by Jen See on Jul 16, 2008 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

well well well

it looks like Dueñas was hiding banned substances in his room.

by King of Doping on Jul 16, 2008 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

cyclingweekly.co.uk

Team Barloworld has revealed that Moises Duenas was caught with a "considerable amount of banned medicines" in his room during a search by French police.

by King of Doping on Jul 16, 2008 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

si...

tuttobiciweb has it too, with confirmation from DS Corti

by Jen See on Jul 16, 2008 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean honestly -

how fucking stupid do you have to be to actually have the dope in your room during the TdF? They should check his IQ along with his blood values to make sure it’s over 90. Otherwise he could claim mental deficiencies as a defense…..and win.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Jul 16, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does he not have a roommate that too would worry such a dumbass move?

I would hope teams would not have to babysit but if he had all that, no one saw or knew anything? ...doubtful in my mind.

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Jul 16, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

All countries have had dirty riders

but some countries more dirty than others

Spain must take the cake at the moment – Beltran, Duenas, Mayo, Heras, amongst others and the whole Operacion Puerto affair…

Italy – Basso, Moreni, Mazzoleni, etc, the Oil for Drugs affair…

I’m sure there are many others who don’t come immediately to mind.

France seems to have had fewer scandals recently. Also have fewer great riders or big winners. We kinda bag out French cycling for being weak, but maybe they don’t win as much because they’re cleaner?

by slowK on Jul 16, 2008 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

well, yeah that's the 'two speed peloton' that was talked about in the press for years

and let’s not forget Hamilton, Landis from the US… the doping of the Olympic athletes (84 right?)

no one is immune to doping.

by lyne on Jul 16, 2008 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's suspended from barloworld, natch

they haven’t said ezactly what he was possessing, but oopsy, he had a little something stashed away. sigh, really, you have to be so dumb to cruise around france possessing stuff you shouldn’t be possessing at this point. just ask dario frigo

here’s an update thingy in italian. basically says what king o’ doping said. with some blah blah from corti, that isn’t really worth effort of translatin’

by Jen See on Jul 16, 2008 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

"I'm shocked I tell you shocked"

Note to DS: practice this line in front of the mirror

by lyne on Jul 16, 2008 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Si

They probably learn it in DS school, and it’s part of the final exam before they get their certificate. B’sides, Corti’s had a little practice with this line.

by Jen See on Jul 16, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who was Duenas' roommate?

Hmmm…. let’s see, they found lots of substances for which he didn’t have a prescription in his hotel room. I’d have to worry about his roommate, too, assuming he had one, which most riders in the TdF have (how would you hide substances and their administration from your roommate in the cramped TdF housing conditions?). If he’s alone in a room now, and some one who dropped out used to be his roommate (I hope it wasn’t Soler), I would be concerned about that person, too.

by GreylockGrinder on Jul 16, 2008 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah, and since they found

something, why didn’t they check all the riders rooms???
Corti ain’t no saint for sure…

by Bruce Suomi on Jul 16, 2008 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

It’s interesting that in both Beltran’s case and this one, the police only searched one hotel room. The cops and ASO (by letting the doper’s teams stay in the race) are facilitating the teams’ claims that doping by a rider is an “isolated incident” for which the team bears no responsibility.

by Susie Hartigan on Jul 16, 2008 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

any french legal experts in the house?

what are the laws on search and seizure? they may be restricted by law from searching the entirety of the team. but really, i have no idea.

by Jen See on Jul 16, 2008 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

no French legal expert here, but

I’ll bet you a Euro it amounts to “the police can search wherever they please.”

(years past, I’d make a joke about the difference between the legal systems, but now it’s just not funny. at least the French are honest about it.)

by Sui Juris on Jul 16, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

what rights and laws? We are dealing with the french here,

and in the hunt of doping, all rights and rules are thrown out of the window…

by Bruce Suomi on Jul 16, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

what she said.

i just skimmed the relevent laws – i’m not a lawyer and i’m not french. but my understanding is, they are not permitted to search anywhere they want. they must be under the instruction of the prosecutor how has opened an preliminary investigation on the individual being searched. there are also rules about when they can search, although those seem to have lots of exceptions. so, no, i don’t think they can legally search the whole team without some reason to do so.

there is no search warrant in france, per se, but the instructions of the prosecutor must conform to french law.

by Jen See on Jul 16, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder

if the hotel owner could voluntarily consent to a search of his premises?

by Katiek on Jul 16, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

my understanding is..

that the consent to search part only applies to the accused. i don’t think that the hotel owner could consent on behalf of the team. the procurator guy would have to name the hotel owner in the instruction of investigation for that to work.

with the usual disclaimer that i’m neither a lawyer nor french, and certainly not a french lawyer.

by Jen See on Jul 16, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're right, that is bull

Of course, the riders do have rights, and I see no reason to believe the French police would be any less respectful of those rights than any other law enforcement agents would be.

I was assuming that as the renter of the rooms, the team management could consent to a search of all of the team’s rooms, and that the either the police didn’t ask for such consent, or the team management refused to give it. I don’t know anything about the search and seizure laws in France, though, so my assumption could be totally baseless.

by Susie Hartigan on Jul 16, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

if are equally in Portugal

a judge have to give toi the police a autorization to search his room.

This autorization only can be given, if the judge consider that are suspects, or informed by a credible complaint, some evidence. I think, a positive control work too in this case. About other rooms, only if the judge consider that can be important in this process, or simply suspicious of others rooms (riders) too. If not the police can’t search the others rooms, only if the person of the room autorize. I think is almost the same in USA, at least in CSI or a hollywood detective movie.

by semprenaroda on Jul 17, 2008 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

What do you know : Felix Cardenas

who abandoned today. Tricky knee apparently, much like Basil Fawltys old war-injury.

by Jens on Jul 16, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would you care

to translate?

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Jul 16, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you will find the same from other sources by now too

Some of it comes from Barloworld themselves.

Other than that it says that the team states that Cardenas, his roommate, had nothing to do with the products and that french police confirm the find but will not say what the products Police also states that further investigations are only focused on Duenas.

by Jens on Jul 16, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eurosport says

‘Things did not get any better for the rider’s Barloworld team with the retirement of Paolo Longo Borghini with a fractured collarbone and Felix Cardenas with a cut leg, leaving the team with just five riders.”

by roadside on Jul 16, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Classic

It doesn’t get much worse than that – unless they were both going for a stage win.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Jul 16, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

collusion

or collision. I think they were putting their heads together to get stories straight and got a little too close.

by australopithecine on Jul 16, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Scream

What’s with that fan in the background? Doesn’t look that bad…

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 16, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

verrry interesting

that Cardenas and Longo Borghini, both Barlo, were dnf today, no doubt of acute gastroenteritis . . .

by R Mc on Jul 16, 2008 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

yes interesting - sounds fishy

VN had a spokesman from Barlo comment


He added that the team had been testing the riders regularly, but had so far failed to notice any anomalies. “The doctor is controlling the riders every day, so far there has been nothing suspicious from any of the riders.”

by roadside on Jul 16, 2008 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lovely

So the team’s daily testing did not pick this up? Just lovely…

by Jimbo... on Jul 16, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the subject of doping...

According to a report in Le Monde, Christophe Moreau was required to stop racing after Paris-Nice back in March, because of elevated Cortico levels.

by Jen See on Jul 16, 2008 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

apparently, no

Here’s the the article

It says that although he was notified of abnormal levels in March and required to stop racing, according to Le Monde’s sources, Moreau did not show abnormal levels in the tests before the Tour began. So, based on their investigation, Moreau does not appear to be among the riders on the “abnormals” list.

Two comments: It’s possible that Le Monde does not have complete information here, and Moreau actualy did have abnormal levels this Tour. Or, alternatively, he may have been under such significant scrutiny that he could not use anything, and consequently, could not continue the race. I suppose the third possibility is that he just up and left. Still unclear.

by Jen See on Jul 16, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

What would be very interesting

is to see the bio-passport for Beltran and Duenas. mmm did Barloworld ever participate in that? If I remember they were late to that party.

But of course that would mean that all the organizations would have to behave like mature adults, like that’s going to happen

by lyne on Jul 16, 2008 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I just wished all the teams had an Anti-Dope program,

not just CSC, Garmin and Columbia…. (and Astana)
*Lotto, SD, Caisse have won many stages/or are wearing yellow, yet none of those teams have anykind of internal AD program…

by Bruce Suomi on Jul 16, 2008 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

a wee update

Spanish press is reporting that Duenas confessed to French authorities. He was held in custody over night, and released this am.

by Jen See on Jul 17, 2008 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

The confession must have been

his get out of jail card.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Jul 17, 2008 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

not that i've seen...

not sure they’ve said. and the confession is still unconfirmed, but he has been released.

me, i recommend against getting caught doping in france. just sayin’

by Jen See on Jul 17, 2008 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

syringes, needles, transfusion packets and TAD - some sort of medicine that is illegal in France

and other products in the form of liquids or packets.

According to l’equipe, Duenas confessed that he acted alone when buying the products and injected them without the team doctor’s knowledge

by lyne on Jul 17, 2008 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Having his own little ER in the hotel

at least points to it not being an organized team thing.

by Jens on Jul 17, 2008 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

As far as we know

Hate to say it but it needs to be mentioned. He lied about doping, he could be lying about this too.

:-(

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Jul 17, 2008 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh definately

I just meant, if there had been a teamprogram of doping with the doctors included and all, he probably wouldn’t have needed his own little stash in the hotelroom.

by Jens on Jul 17, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah - valid point

And a good one for us to seize on.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Jul 17, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to cyclingnews:

the item that is illegal in France adds the potential of an additional 3 years in jail to the 2 years he’d face on the other charges:

Duenas could face up to two years in prison and a 3,750 euro fine, and because one of the drugs found was not authorized for import into France, he could get an additional three years for illegally bringing it into the country.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2008/tour08/news/?id=/news/2008/jul08/jul18news

by Katiek on Jul 17, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

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