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Welcome to Podium Cafe Profanity-Laced Tirade Day

Today Riccardo Ricco, who had enlivened the Tour with some uphill attacking, was hauled off to the gulag after testing positive for a new form of EPO. That's three scandals so far, including now a pretty significant one. Would you say it's time for a profanity-laced tirade? Why yes, yes I would. I'll get it started in comments. Please join the fray as you see fit. Kids under 18 not admitted without parent.

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that's it

make sure you warm up before really giving it full gas

by Rothko on Jul 17, 2008 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

That stupid fucking cocksucker!

That was very rerfeshing.

Chris, this reminds me of the Curb Your Enthusiasm episode when they hired a Chef with Tourettes to run their new restaurant. Ever see that one?

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Jul 17, 2008 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

%&x%x^$##@!##$x%x(%%~!!!!

by kalais on Jul 17, 2008 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

This fucking sucks

Riccardo ricco is a giant fucking moron, and I’m just as big a moron for thinking a guy who bursts away uphill and openly idolizes a human crack vial could be clean. The Podium Cafe isn’t threatening to go anywhere, but this sport will be a hell of a lot less fun if everyone is on this new delayed-acting drug. godfuckingdammityoustupidmotherfuckers!!!!!!!

Whew.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 17, 2008 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

I posted this on the EPO thread already but to answer your question about where I am

Right here Chris

Of course I am not shocked about this whole thing. What makes me pissed the most is not that he denied others of the wins, but that he crushed the hopes of people wanting to believe that what they were seeing was real and not a fantasy. There are many here who believed that he was just a talented kid and maybe actually did have the talent he was displaying. I may have made some comments that made those people mad and irritated at me and for that, I am sorry. But I was apparently right in my suspicions and I think many people felt the same. I’m pretty upset and angry about this whole thing but I just can’t seem to put together a tirade at this point, maybe later.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jul 17, 2008 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well

you called it.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 17, 2008 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best laugh of the day

"When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn’t work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me."Emo Philips

by bethie on Jul 17, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

She's

in England. Not surfing today…

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 17, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somebody needs a good cockpunch!

"When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn’t work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me."Emo Philips

by bethie on Jul 17, 2008 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

"There is no dope that makes someone able to do that"

I wrote that about Ricco, the stupid little twerp. Fuck him. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest his junk.

by Jimbo... on Jul 17, 2008 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Ooh, that's a good one Jimbo

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Jul 17, 2008 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

You think that's bad

I specifically mentioned him in the “who do you want to win?” thread. That shit is on the front page. Google is making sure the whole world knows what a sucker I am. Might have to declare Profanity-Laced Tirade Month before we’re done.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 17, 2008 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can be fogiven pal.

I put it down to rooting for the home team. Hell, I know how much you love Italia… no wonder you were pulling for the little shit.

With all sympathy to you and others who were done in my him I have to say I am thrilled he got busted. I smelled that rat Monday and I, and others said as much. I’m just glad my bullshit detector is still calibrated.

This too will pass.

"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race

by ELVISGOAT on Jul 17, 2008 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Who's next?

Horrible question, but has to be asked. Also, why has no one tested positive in any other race this year? Are there even tests going on?

by EuroPeloton on Jul 17, 2008 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

It's a good question

There are all those “suspicious” passport tests but that hasn’t come to anything yet, sorry, has come to fuck-all so far. Forgot which thread I was in.

by Rothko on Jul 17, 2008 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes

but they didn’t yet have a test for this variant. there were rumors that they had new tests coming out. looks like they’re out.

by Jen See on Jul 17, 2008 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

CERA is new -- where's the passport?

According to CN, CERA was commercially available only at the first of the year. Not unsurprising that there has yet to be an approved test for it (but still good that the dolts that use it are getting tagged). That being said, it would be far better yet if the problem didn’t exist in the first place.

The interesting comment from the CN article was that its use was detected at the Giro as well.

If this servers to usher in the passport, then great!

by hkbirke on Jul 17, 2008 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK, time to let loose

Are you fucking shitting me? What a dumb fuck. God DAMN it! What the fuck do you have to do to get through to these motherfuckers?

I am really pissed. More than I have been over the past two years. These guys behave like junkies.

shit.

sorry. It’s the Boston in me.

by johnw on Jul 17, 2008 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I was so tired of hearing about his hero

Now he can join the ranks of Zero, just like his idol – Pantani- the other junkie Italian.
Go somewhere and crawl in a hole.
High hematocrit level, you know why now.
Watch out lil Prince, they are coming for you.

If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when are you going to have time to do it again?

by CannonDowell on Jul 17, 2008 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Pantani

at least he had an excuse—he was chronically depressed, maybe bipolar. He had real problems. What’s Ricco’s excuse?

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 17, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

I think it’s a good thing: nice to see the (independent?) testers ahead of WADA – we will definately see a few more shockers before the end of this tour. Don’t know how anyone can be surprised about Ricco…

by Roadent on Jul 17, 2008 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Right on - no surprise

If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when are you going to have time to do it again?

by CannonDowell on Jul 17, 2008 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

clusterboink

RR, he looked like a dickhead anyway.

I’m hearing there’s no test for this particular EPO and riders of teams of a certain nationality isn’t getting tested. Of course.

by phantom_51 on Jul 17, 2008 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Well,

There obviously is a test for it, and as there isn’t a French rider (the nationality I assume you’re talking about) within 25 places of the overall, it wouldn’t make sense to target them. I think they’re doing the exact right thing: intensive testing of the most likely suspects.

by Roadent on Jul 17, 2008 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Moreau was

so that’s at least one . . .

by Rothko on Jul 17, 2008 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

roids...

Can’t remember the details but the Moreau thread in the fanposts covers it.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 17, 2008 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wonder

If some of the sub-par perfomances this tour are because of some of the (ahem) better managed riders backing off in their (ahem) preparations, knowing that tests for the the third-generation EPO products were in the offing. Just sayin….

by Roadent on Jul 17, 2008 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

OK, this is a different response,

but I actually did a fist-pumping Happy Dance this morning at 7:30am, when VS came on the screen. I have been hoping since Super Besse that I’d wake up one morning and hear that they caught that little fucker.

OK, now back to normal, lady-like Ruthann….. The person I feel worst for, of course, is Frank Schleck. Beaten by two SDS, and out of yellow by 1 second. You can’t say that he would be in yellow right now if Ricco and his ilk had not been there, but still…

And I am hoping that Scott Cycles is plenty pissed at this, too.

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor. - George Carlin

by Ruthann on Jul 17, 2008 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Abso-fucking-lutely...

After a hard day of watching a Tour stage, I like to unwind with Verbotene Liebe

by crashdan on Jul 17, 2008 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know

they got a lot of publicity and sold a lot of bikes based on doping enhanced publicity and results.

Brooklyn Chewing Gum: Vlaanderens Mooiste

by Koppenberg on Jul 17, 2008 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right with you Ruthann

+1

"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race

by ELVISGOAT on Jul 17, 2008 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe he wouldn't be in yellow

but he’d have another stage win under his belt, eh?

by Le Comte on Jul 17, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, let's think here - Who else?

If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when are you going to have time to do it again?

by CannonDowell on Jul 17, 2008 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Good to get that off your chest ;-)

I think most of us are pissed because we’d like to think the younger generation of riders and the new up and comers have actually gotten the message that you dope at your peril – and enough guys are now (hopefully) not doping and make up the majority of the peleton. Additionally, if the doping continues it will eventually cripple the sport – so cut it out you numb fucks.

But Ricco seems to have missed the memo, hence the vitriol here. But I don’t disagree with what you’ve said either.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Jul 17, 2008 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

'I can look all of my rivals in the face.'

That needs to be on a shirt or something. This post is right on.

by 72andSunny on Jul 17, 2008 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

props to Pantani for that

"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race

by ELVISGOAT on Jul 17, 2008 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

nope, feel free

but you might want to apply the magic of copy-editing. Not all of those “sentences” qualify.

Brooklyn Chewing Gum: Vlaanderens Mooiste

by Koppenberg on Jul 17, 2008 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Screw the dopers

Lets hope the French will use their new doping law of up to five years in jail and give Ricco some jail time.

My wish is that the Tour organizers will have a re-podium presentation for the riders who got screwed out of their wins over the past few days.

by roadside on Jul 17, 2008 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

i just want to say

I’m glad it’s Ricco and not someone I actually like.

181 & 165

by callmecayce on Jul 17, 2008 11:15 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

i am master of my fate, i am captain of my soul

by randie on Jul 17, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Take back the Tour!!

Freaking hilarious
Take a Hike

If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when are you going to have time to do it again?

by CannonDowell on Jul 17, 2008 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

So. Tell me.

Why do we (collectively, it seems) get the doper vibe from Ricco, but not Cav? Both have youth, success, arrogance, and incredible displays of talent. With Ricco, my doper antenna said “incredible, indeed”. Cav? Not really.

Strange, no?

by Sui Juris on Jul 17, 2008 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Because Brian Holm has Cav tested...

... six ways from Sunday?

After a hard day of watching a Tour stage, I like to unwind with Verbotene Liebe

by crashdan on Jul 17, 2008 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dunno

For me, that doesn’t figure into the doper vibe. But maybe that’s it. (At the same time, I’m still completely unsure about how much faith I have in the team controls).

by Sui Juris on Jul 17, 2008 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

but this IS Brian Holm we are talking about.

Some might say this is the fox guarding the henhouse.

I agree with you, but I don’t trust my agreement, if that makes any sense. Especially after Tyler and Ivan, I think I WANT to trust CSC more than I rationally believe they have earned it.

Brooklyn Chewing Gum: Vlaanderens Mooiste

by Koppenberg on Jul 17, 2008 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sprinter vs Climber/GC guy?

I think there is probably a bit of that too. Might not be rational, but I think unconsiously that’s a factor.

by Rothko on Jul 17, 2008 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's part of it

Cav statrs flying uphill then his ass is toast too.

"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race

by ELVISGOAT on Jul 17, 2008 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cuz

My fat ass hits 40 miles an hour on a long straight every once in a while
I don’t however fly up hills.
Watch Cav climb. That’s why

If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when are you going to have time to do it again?

by CannonDowell on Jul 17, 2008 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

My thing with Cav is that

with Bennati and Ale-Jet gone, the quality of the Columbia train, and this year’s competition, the guy’s a shoe-in. Who’s gonna beat him to the line? Thor? Zabel? Robbie Hunter, with the remnants of the shredded Barloworld team? Nah.

Also, I firmly believe (call me naive) that stimulants are testosterone are the sprinters’ drugs of choice, and not EPO.

by 72andSunny on Jul 17, 2008 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am of course a few days late on this

but I believe in Cav because he can’t do it all and he only darts out in the final sprint. He himself admits he can’t go for the intermediates as he needs that energy at the end. (Something age and experience will build.) AND I believe in Cav partly because of his Olympic dreams. A different view but one I don’t feel he would jeopordize. I think he’s a good kid with an explosive finish that the track has helped in developing. Now if he ever starts climbing or smoking TT’s – I will raise eyebrows but not a minute before.

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Jul 20, 2008 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well... if it's any consolation...

Here’s what Ricco’s night is going to be like...

After a hard day of watching a Tour stage, I like to unwind with Verbotene Liebe

by crashdan on Jul 17, 2008 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

my analytical nature

has me wondering about the girlfriend cyclocrosser (Vania Rossi) – she could easily dump him for the good of her career so as to not be seen as associated with a doper. disgrace in the cycling world and likely suspension, possible jail time in France, other losses as well potentially … why do they do it?

by guidemd on Jul 17, 2008 11:21 AM EDT reply actions  

The King of Asshats

As Ricco’s #1 fan on this board and a huge admirer, I have just inserted my cycling shoe clear up my ass. Fuck that asshole. I have been on vacation all week and have spread the gospel of cycling, and Ricco to my non-cycling family. They actually took interest in the TDF, and my mancrush on Ricco was explained to them almost nightly over beers and BBQ.

I even had my dad going to the stranger’s house on the lake to watch yesterday’s stage on the internet. All the while, I professed my love of Ricco to the fam, knowing that it would be easier for them to get behind a personality than a team or “admired” rider.

Then, driving home this morning I hear on the news that Ricco has been busted. My mancrush. Fuck him. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.

Riccardo Ricco, you are a world class crotch goblin and have made me look like a world class prick for actually thinking you were just talented. I apologize to all on this board who have had to put up with my Ricco love since the Giro. I will appear on the town square aat 11pm tonight for the public stoning. Spunout, you have first crack at me.

And on a final note. Fuck you Riccardo Ricco. I’m an eternal optimist, and you have just punched me in the cock.

by PopUp Rolen on Jul 17, 2008 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

You never have to apologize for your views here

I can’t imagine anyone feels worse than you do right now.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Jul 17, 2008 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

No need to apologize here, bro. As above, my sympathies to you.

"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race

by ELVISGOAT on Jul 17, 2008 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't fault you for believing

That’s a trait that is good to have. Like I said at the top of this page, I feel sorry for the people on PdC that put their good faith in him to only have it thrown back in their faces. So, no stones from me at 11 tonight.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jul 17, 2008 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Temptation

I found it tempting to root for Ricco because there’s little more inspiring than a guy who can soar in the mountains. Such riders have been few lately. Maybe the reality is they don’t exist, and the only ones to ever perform such feats were enhanced.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 17, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Charley Gaul?

Not a chance. Some climbers are the real deal. Nowadays, however, the temptation to be an even better climber/GC contender is easily met with the panolopy of PEDs on offer. It is simply too easy to be a cheater.

by pigilito on Jul 17, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very few cycling fans

haven’t been badly disappointed at one time or another by a rider they liked. I suspect most people here can empathize.

by Katiek on Jul 17, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Craig Hummer wishes he could say it so well

But he’s on TV that’s not HBO. Last I saw, he was ahead in the yellow jersey thingy they do in the pre race show. Most of his points have come from Ricco. I wonder if he has to give them back.

by bobinson on Jul 17, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nibali should get the first

punch at Ricco.

Well, okay. At least in the top 10, though.

by Sui Juris on Jul 17, 2008 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

the fans should get first punch

the people who had believed and been betrayed

i am master of my fate, i am captain of my soul

by randie on Jul 17, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Drew and PopUp get the one two on this.

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Jul 20, 2008 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just saw a clip on ARD... showing a bunch of guys loading up the SDV truck...

... with all their bikes… and a mechanic sitting on the ground at the back of the truck with his head in his hands, crying. As bad as it is for us today… that poor bastard has it worse. If anyone gets ahold of him, let him know that 300 or so PdC members will buy him dinner and beer each night for a year.

After a hard day of watching a Tour stage, I like to unwind with Verbotene Liebe

by crashdan on Jul 17, 2008 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

seriously

can you imagine being one of those low paid assbusters working for SDV right now? Christ.

by Sui Juris on Jul 17, 2008 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully

They’ll be rolling in rubles once the new team staffs up.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 17, 2008 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

Just another ramification that dopers don’t think twice about when they make their choice – the other people on the team they directly affect. If SDV folds because of this (quite possible) who’s gonna hire this poor wrench? Jobs enough are hard to come by, let alone jobs are another top level team.

Anybody think part of a doper’s fine should go back directly to the people they affected?

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Jul 17, 2008 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

PopUp Rolen Runs Into Ricco At The Hotel Buffett...

... and we’ve got it on video...

After a hard day of watching a Tour stage, I like to unwind with Verbotene Liebe

by crashdan on Jul 17, 2008 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Ok, That hit the spot

Easy enough to imagine RR taking the beating from PopUp on that one. Kick him one more time for me.

"I can get motivation out of anger to get energy to drive me. You have to set your mind on it is going to hurt and it is going to hurt everybody else. So the more pain you can sustain the more you can handle. The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do and it works every now and then and if it doesn't work, you bluff. " Jens!

by Clydesdale on Jul 17, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

SDV good riddance

They looked like the classic old school dope squad throughout this race.

Peeps, Ricco, and Cobo. Fuck them.

by KevinK on Jul 17, 2008 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

And the sentence is...

I think every cycling fan in the world gets one good bitch slap to Ricco as punishment. Ricco walks into the Aldi, picks up an orange and ‘BAM’ some guy in a Primal Wear jersey knocks him upside the head with a kumquat.

by spokejunky on Jul 17, 2008 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

The story that came out on VN about EPO not being easy to detect

If I’m remembering the story subject correctly. It almost seems like that story was planted to lure the dopers out and into thinking they were untouchable. Interesting.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jul 17, 2008 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Ricco... I didn't like you... during the Giro this year, I really disliked you...

... I found no redeeming quality in a guy that mouthed off that bad and pissed off his team to the point where they wouldn’t even work for you.

Then it seemed like you learned, like you matured, like you were starting to be a real stand up team mate. Then you showed spectacular stuff here at the Tour… seemed like you had really arrived as a contender… you made me start to like you.

Now, you fuck, you pompous, stuck up, snot-nosed, giant, twerp, scumbag, fuck-faced, dick-head, asshole… now you’re exposed as a fucking CHEAT. You’re the little bitch that stole marbles from me in elementary school… you’re the little bitch that drank my last beer without asking… you’re the little bitch that keyed the gas tank on my Triumph… you’re the little bitch that stole the radio out of my Bug… you’re the little bitch that gave me pneumonia… you’re the little bitch that took my presentation on technical support technologies and presented it to the entire company as you’re own.

You’re a little bitch.

Fuck off. For every guy that you’ve just fucked over, for every rider that didn’t get a contract because you took up budget space, for every guy that couldn’t get a ride in a race because you took their place on the team, for everyone whose paycheck will now be unfairly spanked because you don’t have any HONOR... Fuck you.

Fuck you swinging. Fuck you and the Scott you rode in on. Fuck you sideways. Fuck your noise. Fuck your skinny pasty white chest. Fuck your white sunglasses. Fuck that ugly ass suit you wore to the Giro presentation. Fuck your attitude.

I hope you never know another moment of professional success in your life.

And this guy sitting on the ground…

... who you probably joked with while he adjusted your seat or replaced your wheel… he hates you know. And you deserve it.

And oh yeah… I fucked your girlfriend… three times… during the stage to Super Besse. Three times, Ricco. She said you never went three times… Ricco.

After a hard day of watching a Tour stage, I like to unwind with Verbotene Liebe

by crashdan on Jul 17, 2008 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

... and you made ...

... ARD preempt Verbotene Liebe with news coverage of your doping scandal!!!!!!!!

Bastard.

After a hard day of watching a Tour stage, I like to unwind with Verbotene Liebe

by crashdan on Jul 17, 2008 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice :-)

That was epic man, truly epic. I was waiting for you to work Gilgamesh into it.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Jul 17, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Believe it or not

that was going to be my next comment. The word play was too delicious to ignore.

I’m not sure whether to be troubled or greatly encouraged at the group think that goes on at this site. I think I will fall back on greatly encouraged.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Jul 17, 2008 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Note to self

Don’t cross Crashdan…

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 17, 2008 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

VERY NICE!!

Sums it all up.

"I can get motivation out of anger to get energy to drive me. You have to set your mind on it is going to hurt and it is going to hurt everybody else. So the more pain you can sustain the more you can handle. The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do and it works every now and then and if it doesn't work, you bluff. " Jens!

by Clydesdale on Jul 17, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Total LOSER

I thought times had changed…...my belief is that during the 90’s everyone was “experimenting” with drugs. Look at all the guys that have come out and admitted after their careers had finished. They always find a way to cheat and steal the glory from a clean racer. RIcco is a little runt of a man charged up on drugs, no wonder he can strike like a cobra…...what a joke. Strip him of all his wins, kick him out forever. My days of thinking that these guys are heroes are over. They are a bunch of little retards who cheat to win.

FUCK OFF you little midget-man of a cheat. Woohee the Cobra has struck. What an embarrassment you are, go worship your idol now.

by Colin Emerson on Jul 17, 2008 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

From Velonews:
Moments after his teammates returned from sign-in, Ricco climbed out of his team truck and joined police in a Saunier Duval car for a trip to a local police station for further questioning. The news had spread fast and both vehicles were surrounded by scores of reporters and fans, the latter of which began hissing and booing as the rider made his way to the car.

He’s lucky no one threw anything at him.

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor. - George Carlin

by Ruthann on Jul 17, 2008 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Irony

Anyone find it as ironic that this new EPO-type dope (CERA) was developed by Amgen, patron saint of the TdCalifornia. Not implying anything improper about Amgen or the TdC, but it is a bit of an irony.

Oh, and screw Ricco. He had be believing, as well. When Tricky B. went down you could shrug it off as one of the last gasps of the old guard. The Barloworld chump was just that, a chump. But Ricco was a rising star. His bust is a real black eye.

On a positive note, at this rate Rock Racing is going to have one heck of a team in a couple of years! Ha!

by Cyclonaut on Jul 17, 2008 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

correction

Roche developed cera, Amgen has been suing them for years to prevent its introduction to the us market.

by R Mc on Jul 17, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not Amgen

Actually this is Roche not Amgen and Amgen tried to keep it out of the US with stupid patent tricks. (If drug companies spent their marketing budget on research and research budget on marketing I might feel better about their patents, well anyway …) So we have equal opportunity drug companies. Actually though. If I had anemia, or marrow radiation, or any number of other other problems I would be thankful for my life for these. Really in the big scheme of things the sports use is not as important as the real use.

by Markk on Jul 17, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously

If drug companies spent their marketing budget on research and research budget on marketing I might feel better about their patents, well anyway …

If some think I can get nasty about politics, just let me start down the road about Big Pharma and marketing . . .

by Sui Juris on Jul 17, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The really funny thing about all this

Is that Ricco the fucking snake was doped to the fucking gills and still couldn’t pull of a decent fucking time trial. Every time I see a dead snake on the side of the road I will think of this whiny pasty scrawny bitch of a cyclist lying forever in the ditch as this wonderful sport continues on past him. Perhaps the peleton can stop on their way past and have a nature break on this disgrace of a cyclist.

by Hons on Jul 17, 2008 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

So

I’m assuming Ricco will get the usual 2 year suspension. Are we all still thinking that’s enough?

by Le Comte on Jul 17, 2008 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

There still is that whole

innocent until proven guilty thingy.

We don’t know how he was caught or if there was physical evidence as well as chemical evidence. Also, there isn’t an approved test for CERA at this point, so I’m not sure what they are pinning the positive on.

From an official standpoint, nothing is confirmed at this point.

Brooklyn Chewing Gum: Vlaanderens Mooiste

by Koppenberg on Jul 17, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

One things for sure...

... it may go to the courts… but Ricco ain’t going to Paris.

After a hard day of watching a Tour stage, I like to unwind with Verbotene Liebe

by crashdan on Jul 17, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Ricco isn’t the only one able to dispense venom.

by Hons on Jul 17, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

We mean business

Hopefully a few riders will see it. This is no joke.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 17, 2008 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

well I'm a bit disturbed by the vitriol shown here

given some of the previous comments when well liked riders were popped. then the vitriol was thrown against the organizations and labs. And cries for a riders’ unions, and what about innocent until proven guilty….

don’t like the tone that’s all. but there’s one way to fix that.

by lyne on Jul 17, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

But it’s different now. Everyone’s on notice that this has to stop immediately. There are no longer shades of grey in the cycling code of ethics, if the sport is to survive. So to cheat now—definitely worse.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 17, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should add

this is kind of a forum for suspending decorum. It too has limits I suppose, but I’m not asking people to stick to the usual levels of decency, just this once.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 17, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Profanity laced tirades are fine

but the threats of violence and the sexual taunts, and calling the guy a ‘cocksucker’ is kind of offensive on a whole other level that has nothing to do with Ricco or with doping. I know it is not intended by anyone here to be offensive in that way, but it is. At least to me. Not trying to be a concern troll, or to be anyone’s mom, or pick on anyone in particular, but I would hope that we could retain some sense of decorum in that regard. Just something to consider.

by Jimbo... on Jul 17, 2008 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Point taken

re: cocksucker. Not a word I use. I prefer Motherf’er. Don’t know why. I kind of cringe whenever I hear the first part of the word. Alone or in combination with other words. But I had never thought of the implied insult of the word.

Thanks for pointing it out.

by johnw on Jul 17, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some advice

If you’re entering a rant, hit preview first. This way, you get the catharsis from lashing out at another stupid day for the beautiful sport of Cycling… and a chance to see if there’s anything in it you might wish you hadn’t said.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 17, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Ricco’s Lament (to the tune of "Que Sera, Sera")

When I was added to the team
I asked my teammates what lies ahead?
Can we ride cleanly, and still win a race?
Here’s what my teammates said.

Take CERA, CERA,
That shit gets you up the hill
If you don’t use it, your rivals will
Take CERA, CERA
And go in for the kill.

When I was training for the Tour
I asked my doctor, "Hey, should I dope?
Will I get tested, will I get caught?"
He smiled and just said "Nope."

Take CERA, CERA,
Invisible in the test
They’ll all think that you’re the best
Take CERA, CERA
When you line up at Brest.

Now I am thrown out on my ass
My team’s disbanded, what did I do?
Will I be employed ever again?
Will all my sponsors sue?

Blame CERA, CERA,
The Cobra they once adored
Won’t be racing anymore
Blame CERA, CERA
All done at twenty-four.

—Marlys Pearson

by majope on Jul 17, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Would you please

post this as a fanpost? It deserves a more prominent location.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 17, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, Chris…assuming I can figure out how!

by majope on Jul 17, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Allow me to take a moment to rethink my post above...

... because as I struggled, mightly, and ultimately failed, to maintain some sort of focus at the gym this morning, I thought to myself “once the initial stabbing pain of this passes, there’s gonna be a verbal hangover of mammoth proportions over at the Cafe” and sure enough… here it is.

Given the option to repost, I would remove the last bit… a snarky quote from the movie “The Ref”, which is an R rated movie and is, upon further review, over the top.. and maybe pare down the Otto quote from “A Fish Called Wanda” bit. I would like to rescind those statements, not because I don’t feel surprisingly angry at this, but because it would pain me to think that I’d made any of you, faithful readers of PdC, look squinty eyed at me and wrinkle your nose. I honestly apologize for that… I want to be angry… but not hurtful.

I’d also like to repost something that I put over in the “Boonen Coke” thread…

We have ALL, every one of us, made a mistake of similar relative magnitude (not necessarily the same act) at some point in our lives, and how you act when your mistake is held up to the light of day, determines your character.

I am, and will always be, a person willing and determined to give someone a second chance.

I am, and will always be, a person willing and determined to give someone a third chance, even AND ESPECIALLY when they don’t deserve it.

I still believe that and live that… every word of it. If Ricco makes the honest effort now and acts with honor, I will be waiting to be his fan.

Further… not that any “up and coming rider” will ever read this comment, but, for every up and coming rider that is out there… that thinks doing it all naturally, giving it everything and LOSING, isn’t worth the effort, I would like to quote Theodore Roosevelt from his speech to the Sorbonne on April 23, 1910…

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

Still, I blame Ricco for stealing my marbles.

After a hard day of watching a Tour stage, I like to unwind with Verbotene Liebe

by crashdan on Jul 17, 2008 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

You know...

I just got back from a recovery ride.
The wind was still warm, the ocean breeze was still salty, there were still too many pricks in SUVs, still a nice rhythm of spinning legs and clicking gears; when I got back, I was still sweaty…just like yesterday and the day before. I’m still stoked about doing some racing with my teammates this weekend…
As much as this really pisses me off and is an embarrassment, Ricco isn’t the sport…we are.

Maybe we should start a PdC betting pool for time until the next dope bust. I’ll put $20 down for “within 72 hours”...

by ssmith on Jul 17, 2008 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Vegas has taken -72 hours

off the board. They don’t want to lose more money after the super bowl debacle.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Jul 17, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, I just realized the upside of this

No more “pointy arrow in the groinal region” kit for the rest of le Tour

"When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn’t work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me."Emo Philips

by bethie on Jul 17, 2008 2:22 PM EDT reply actions  

heh

It’s like the old line about why men wear ties: “What’s not to like, look where it points!”

Brooklyn Chewing Gum: Vlaanderens Mooiste

by Koppenberg on Jul 17, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love that line

Never heard it before but I’m going to steal it as my own.

Thanks!

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Jul 17, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I'm past the point of getting really mad about this.

Maybe there have just been so many positives over the last few years.

I’m not a Ricco fan or a Ricco hater. He brought some color to the race. So it’s not about him really.

I’m sadden for the sport.

My local paper for the first week of the Tour had it’s coverage in the Sports Roundup section. It told who won and who was in yellow. That’s it.

When the first positive came down the coverage moved to the front page of the sport section. – “Spanish Rider Test Positive for EPO” and followed with a big story. The sport has no one to blame but itself.

by Punctured on Jul 17, 2008 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

ricco and the team he rode in on

Ok, so raise your hand if you think it was just Ricco the selfish bastard on his own? Did SDV leave because he is the team leader or thereabouts? Neither Liquigas or Barloworld pulled the whole team. We can hope that his big fat mouth will not fail – he doesn’t seem to care much what the peleton thinks so maybe he’ll spill it all. If it is a team thing, it’s time for them all to be held accountable.

I’m both muy pissed at the little dude, and feel a little sorry for him. Judging by his temperament, and the association of doping with other addictions, and his choice of idols, he’s probably one eff’d up individual. Could see him floating around a la Frank Vandebrouck (?) in a couple years.

by kimchi on Jul 17, 2008 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

No

But a large handful of Barloword riders have crashed or come down with ‘sore tendons’ in the last day or so. Either they are trying to dodge the vampires (or had been told to leave…or else), or I am never putting myself on the saddle of a Bianchi for fear of my life.

by Hons on Jul 17, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah and I like that these guys are leaving

I think these guys are getting a little fear in them. That is a good thing. Again, some are leaving because they really are hurt I’m sure, but the message does look like it is getting across.

I’ll keep my Bianchi Axis – best bike I’ve ever owned.

by Markk on Jul 17, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

lamented for Barlo yesterday ante-ricco… I like them, I really do, esp. Cookie.

As I said then, IMHO, doping is a team issue.

"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race

by ELVISGOAT on Jul 17, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lilian Jégou...

... TOTALLY trying to avoid the doping controls :)

Ricco stole my marbles.

by crashdan on Jul 17, 2008 6:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Dude was desperate...

"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race

by ELVISGOAT on Jul 17, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK but

no Angel Gomez jokes. Brutha’s suffered enough..

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 17, 2008 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should have seen Ricco's red flag

His favorite cyclist evah was Marco Pantani. In my opinion, Pantani’s legacy has been saved by the fact that there was no EPO test in the 90s. They might have actually found traces of blood in his EPO system. Pantani had climbs that were not to be believed.

by bobinson on Jul 17, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Dude

carried around a centrifuge… charming.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 17, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

what about America's fave son...

I’ve heard rumors of L.A.’s motorcycles with chilled panniers… at some point you’ve gotta clean the whole slate.

I think the ASO would do us all a HUGE favor by re-staging the awards presentations for Ricco’s wins. Shoot, Pereiro should get a big ole presentation, maybe at the end of this Tour. PR is the entire reason for the race. sheesh.

Grind or spin? Spin.

by snakeboat on Jul 18, 2008 12:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I had so many things flying through my mind

when this news broke. But tonight I smile with all of your who have said it so much better. I share this…

My sweet little Amber both Thursday and Friday night’s asked me if we could “watch bikes.” (She’s 3 so it was flat out cute and proof I recruit fans young!.) So for her last 15-20 minutes of chill out before bed (after reading like 10 books of course) we would turn on the VS replay and she would ask if the guy on tv was my friend. She picked up quickly the shots of the American riders were key to cheer for. When they would pop on screen she would ask – is that him? I would smile and I would say, yep. :-) She would sit with me and we’d cheer them on. So adorable. I’m so proud to be able to offer her amazing guys to believe in. Being a friendly fan of both C’s and Will’s this tour and those two nights will be remembered forever as simply inspiring and treasured. There’s nothing that someone like Ricco could ever do to come close to that.

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Jul 20, 2008 3:49 AM EDT reply actions  

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