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What Now?

Letour-sq2_1__mediumWhile the morning has been consumed by the devastating news that one of the Tour's brightest lights was yet another cheat, the race has not stopped or even slowed much to take note. The show goes on. Here are a few things to think about instead of what an idiot Riccardo Ricco is.

  1. Staying with the scandal for just a moment, I think there's real significance that Ricco was caught for taking a substance (CERA) not known to be available prior to this year. The message is, WADA scientists are pulling pretty close to even with the cheats. One thing I've always hoped for is a level of sophistication among the controllers as you see with the doping doctors. Much of this is out of the public eye and hard to understand, but today's news shows that if the riders have heard of it, there's a good chance the controllers have too. Strike a blow to the confidence of anyone who thinks "their source" has come up with the latest, undetectable PED.

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  • 2. Ricco's capture wipes out two stage wins, but neither of them changed the race at all. For Saturday's win, he stole off and nobody reacted. At Super-Besse, everyone was sprinting all-out anyway. It's hard to imagine things happening differently but for his presence... so redact his image and carry on.
  • 3. In Ricco's absence, the KOM competition has become pretty wide open, with literally dozens of riders still in contention. The availability of 60-80 points on a single upcoming stage should draw out several of the world's better climbers once the race hits the Alps.
  • 4. CN has an interesting chat with a doping expert. The cat-and-mouse games continue...
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    We have to see the evidence...

    what exactly were the folks caught for?

    Is the Cera test reliable enough to stand up to the Howard Jacobs test?

    Were actual artificial EPO traces found in the urine, or the lack of any (polvos), or was physical evidence found in the hotel rooms?

    All of these riders are suspects, but we haven’t seen the evidence yet.

    Brooklyn Chewing Gum: Vlaanderens Mooiste

    by Koppenberg on Jul 17, 2008 2:22 PM EDT   0 recs

    I also wonder

    re: the interview on CN, if the biological passports are as good as advertised, what does that say for some of the other Men in Black. There are a couple of folks on the ASO’s watch list that many of us here are tremendous fans of, riders who wear the anti-doping tattoos or who’s teams have independent monitoring.

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    by Koppenberg on Jul 17, 2008 2:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    Ahhh, the "men in black"

    I knew Ricco was asking for trouble wearing this on the Rest Day

    by Katiek on Jul 17, 2008 2:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    Men in black

    have they published the watch list? I don’t remember seeing it – although that doesn’t mean I haven’t ;)

    by kimchi on Jul 17, 2008 3:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    ARD had an interview with Sebastian Lang after he got off the Pois Podium...

    ... he looked like a cat that just landed in a dairy… smiles don’t usually come that wide.

    Ricco stole my marbles.

    by crashdan on Jul 17, 2008 2:26 PM EDT   0 recs

    Or last

    Hell, maybe he could do a solo escape, but not likely with that kit on his back.

    "If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

    by Chris... on Jul 17, 2008 2:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    How about this quote from the mini-interview?

    “We know that Micera was being used on the Giro, so I’m not surprised that it’s also turned up at the Tour.”

    Whoah, man.

    Cycling’s image? A little more tarnished.

    HOWEVER! Omigod, the battle for the polka dot jersey is gonna be SO on!

    by 72andSunny on Jul 17, 2008 2:31 PM EDT   0 recs

    And also, regarding Chris' comment

    that it seems like the controls are catching up to the cheaters:

    I do not know SHITE about doping at that level, but doesn’t it seem like all you’d have to do would be to subscribe to a couple diabetes journals to know what EPO was on the market, or would soon be on the market?

    You know, like, “Oh, I see Lancet reporting that Proctor-Johnson is releasing F-EPO out of clinical trials in 6 months, perhaps we’ll add that to the list.”

    /gross oversimplification

    by 72andSunny on Jul 17, 2008 2:34 PM EDT   0 recs

    I googled "CERA"

    and found articles about it back in 2005 saying how it was going to take over Amgen’s EPO business because you only need to take it once a month, etc. Not a gross oversimplification at all. All you need to do is get onto the pharma companies PR mailing lists and sit back and listen for new anemia treatments. And apparently CERA is made by Roche, not by Amgen. Amgen sued Roche to try to keep it out of the US saying it infringed on their EPO patent. Just random factoids…

    by Jimbo... on Jul 17, 2008 2:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    Only needing one dose a month is huge for athletes

    who are constantly crossing international borders, such as cyclists and Olympic-sport athletes. This drug should have been (maybe has been) on the radar of the testing agencies from the day it was first announced by Roche.

    MJB

    by MJB on Jul 17, 2008 3:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    WADA - claims to have worked with Roche pre-release

    According to cyclingnews.com WADA was working on a test before it hit the market. I remenber reading something about 3-5 years ago about WAD working with drug makers to put inert markers in EPO like drugs maybe this is one of them.

    Just spinning the pedals in the hills of Western Maryland

    by natbla on Jul 17, 2008 3:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    If so

    That would be a very head’s up / preemptive strike by WADA.

    If any other riders who took CERA read this post they’d better be getting their defenses ready now.

    "I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

    by Drew... on Jul 17, 2008 3:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    Am I The Only One

    who is genuinely happy about this?

    I mean, come on, this is really great news. The last two years cleaned out my generation (b 1970) to an amazing degree—it’s bizarre to sit here in the Green Zone and play my 2003 Tour DVD, on many levels. But cycling used Puerto, Landis, Vino, et al to sell the “new generation” at the same time that it let Valverde and Contador go untouched. Most of the young guns were obviously going to revert to doping when new products or masking agents came on line.

    And now a 24-year old megatalented uberasshole gets nailed with an essentially career-ending bust with future GT wins ahead of him….two Spanish riders go down (one of them young enough to be cautionary), Claudio Corti and SDV go down in flames, and a whole new line of EPO possibly nipped in the bud.

    This is fantastic, people.

    The last two years saved Contador, Valverde, the Schlecks, Cunego—all of which I think are clean now but otherwise would not habe been. But someone young was going to cross the line…and that someone had to be taken down to make progress stick for a generation. And its Riccardo Ricco. Fan-fucking-tastic.

    I’ll get out of Baghdad just in time to see the 2009 Tour and it’s going to be Epic.

    by Mr 60 Percent on Jul 17, 2008 3:19 PM EDT   0 recs

    Hear's hoping

    You get out of Baghdad in time to see the 2009 tour.

    by Tiki on Jul 17, 2008 4:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    Hell

    I’d hope for you to get out before we hit the Alpe…

    If you look at the big picture, and it shows the last of the cheaters removed, then yes, it’s time to cheer. But what’s the big picture, and when are we finally at the end?

    "If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

    by Chris... on Jul 17, 2008 4:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    Thanks.

    I’ll be outta here in time. And I left an Orbea in Europe that’ll be waiting for me in late June. That and friends and family…

    by Mr 60 Percent on Jul 17, 2008 4:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    Excellent

    Those are some nice things to look forward to. Keep your head down.

    "I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

    by Drew... on Jul 17, 2008 4:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    +100

    "I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race

    by ELVISGOAT on Jul 17, 2008 4:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    I'm not sure his career is over . . .

    Basso’s isn’t, and he’s much older than Ricco. No, the Cobra will strike again, but probably not with as much venom.

    by EuroPeloton on Jul 17, 2008 4:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    Indeed

    He’ll be back, but he’ll never erase the stain.

    "If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

    by Chris... on Jul 17, 2008 4:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    +1

    I am all with you bro. I think this is a high water mark for cycling! Mainly cause I hate that little asshole

    "I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race

    by ELVISGOAT on Jul 17, 2008 4:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    Vaughters weighs in

    with his thoughts at the Garmin-Chipotle website

    Part of his journal entry:

    The Tour de France is hard. The hardest thing a man could do. And so follow its problems. When someone can finish the Tour, it is cause for happiness. Just as when an illness is finally cured, it is cause for happiness. Most times the cure to difficult illnesses are painful. Most times the cure causes pain and damage. But would we trade the pain of curing a problem for ignoring it and dying of letting it fester and persist? Maybe some. But not those who are hard enough, bold enough, to love the Tour, to love cycling

    by Katiek on Jul 17, 2008 3:22 PM EDT   0 recs

    Gonna take these WADA

    claims with a giant grain of salt. They and Floyd (ultimate guilt aside) have done a pretty good job of demonstrating how sloppy things have been over the past few years – I’m not quite ready to see them as some sophisticated machine matching moves with the doping industry.

    by Sui Juris on Jul 17, 2008 3:54 PM EDT   0 recs

    I tend to believe the test results

    Especially when they belong to another cyclist with quotes like, “My hemocrit levels have been high ever since I was a little kid…”

    Dope.

    by Tiki on Jul 17, 2008 4:12 PM EDT   0 recs

    I don’t remember kids in my neighborhood knowing their hemocrit levels.

    by jae on Jul 17, 2008 6:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    given ricco's general low intelligence

    and his lack of judgement and logic: his story about high hemocrit ever since he was a kid, sounds scripted or ‘coached’.

    "Race radios in Cat 4?"

    by gravel road on Jul 17, 2008 9:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    Why is it that whenever I hear about another bust

    I picture Homer Simpson in spandex biking shorts looking nonplussed. These people are so damn stupid.

    by Tiki on Jul 17, 2008 4:14 PM EDT   0 recs

    10 riders with suspicious levels

    So, who is going to be the next rider with a positive test? Is there any question that Saunier-Duval left because they knew someone else on that squad was going to have a CERA positive?
    I really wanted Ricco to be for real, I love the brash personality and shit-talking. Oh well! I bet the organizers sure are glad they didn’t let big bad Astana in this year to embarass them.

    by bryan_e on Jul 17, 2008 4:54 PM EDT   0 recs

    I dunno...

    yeah, I can understand the criticism of ASO regarding Astana, but I have to admit, had ASO let Astana in and an Astana rider got caught cheating, that would be a real big black eye for ASO. And it’s not like Bruyneel and Contador are above suspicion (or Kloden, for that matter)...

    by Le Comte on Jul 17, 2008 5:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    Ok... what the sport needs...

    ... is to replace all these stupid races with one… and only one…

    Sarah Düster cycling solo around a velodrome…

    ... and I’m the only one in the stands.

    Ricco stole my marbles.

    by crashdan on Jul 17, 2008 6:09 PM EDT   0 recs

    What the public needs is

    a little less Millar.
    Just got finished reading his take on cyclingnews. He thinks Ricco should name names; tell about the non-SD people who obviously pushed Ricco into this and told him (Ricco) he couldn’t get caught.
    I don’t recall Millar ever doing so. Granted he is right; if Ricco and all the others name names, things might get better. And while Millar he has taken the straight road back, paid the price, and is apparently a model citizen, he didn’t name names either. So his act of “do as I say and do as I do” rings a little hollow.

    by pooziepie on Jul 17, 2008 6:53 PM EDT   0 recs

    No doubt.

    That Dave, he’s “a complete nutter”. If you know what I’m saying and I think you do.

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    by Koppenberg on Jul 17, 2008 7:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    I don't necessarily see the two positions as

    completely irreconcilable. In Millars case he was experienced enough and old enough to make his own mistakes. Ricco is both young and has basically spent his entire professional career at SDV so perhaps Millar doesnt hold Ricco completely responsible; Millar clearly feels that the team structure/culture a young rider is brought into makes a huge difference – hence the buying into Slipstream. That’s not to absolve Ricco, but for me I blame a rider less if they’re part of a team doping system, especially if that’s been their only experience as a professional bike rider. Millar’s comments might also be infulenced by his time at SDV – maybe he knew obliquely what was going on, but didn’t have anything direct to show for it – but he reckons Ricco does.

    by Rothko on Jul 17, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    I get that people might not like how righteous he may come off

    But I like that he speaks out. I honestly believe that he’s trying to be part of the solution. If that pisses a few people off, great as long as there are people hearing it and then getting pissed. At least they’re hearing it.

    If I just had one more gear, I...

    by SpunOut on Jul 17, 2008 8:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    Agreed SpunOut

    His latest entry on the whole affair is a fantastic read, especially this part:

    If you’re close to giving up on cycling, I can understand that. I almost did after all; but please don’t give up on us. And when I say us, I mean them. Because I am an ex-doper, I have to earn my right to be believed and trusted.

    Check out the entire post. It’s a great read.

    by PopUp Rolen on Jul 17, 2008 10:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    Good stuff

    Millar is a very good writer.

    by Jimbo... on Jul 17, 2008 10:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    So, if Ricco tested positive for the Stage 4 TT,

    does that mean that VV is the rightful winner of Stage 6, and Vlad Efimkin the winner of Stage 9? Has the Curse of Vlad evolved into something greater…?

    One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor. - George Carlin

    by Ruthann on Jul 17, 2008 9:46 PM EDT   0 recs

    Yes!

    What has the Curse of Vlad has turned into?

    by ursula on Jul 17, 2008 9:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    random thoughts

    Can’t help but wonder about the accountant – named in Operacion Puerto, sailing up the mountains last year with Rasmussen, winning the Giro wiith little training over Ricco.

    And maybe Scott should rethink the name of their road bike now.

    by slowK on Jul 17, 2008 11:45 PM EDT   0 recs

    Seriously.

    What kind of marketing genius names a bike “The Addict?” Besides being callous, it’s just tempting the cosmic forces to come down and smack you.

    One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor. - George Carlin

    by Ruthann on Jul 18, 2008 9:25 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    well, if anyone is disgusted with it, and

    would like to get rid of their 58cm Scott Addict, please send it to . . .

    by Sui Juris on Jul 18, 2008 10:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    More test results will roll out over the next couple of days....

    If the test results from stage 4 were released today… what will the next week bring…
    It will be interesting if Piepoli tests “non-negative” as well. I am also very interested in the riders that drop out over the next couple of stages. ASO has given themselves free reign to ‘random’ test anyone they want and despite the risk of bad publicity of catching more dopers, they need to keep the pressure on and force the cheaters into the open either by testing and catching them or letting the cheaters play their own hands which would mean dropping out or riding under the radar in the gruppetto.

    by TC_ on Jul 18, 2008 2:08 AM EDT   0 recs

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