Ah Versus- A Review
I'm struggling to write a coherent review of how Versus is handling this year's Tour de France. Maybe its because of all those chic women shaking their booties for Bacardi or wondering who really is the biggest bad ass on Tapout (TIME!) or seeing that guy in that pig mask over and over again... I got the lead:
If you are watching Versus for your TdF coverage and you don't have a DVR so you can skip through the commercials you are truly insane. There's no getting around it. My advise to you is to get heavily sedated. Now. Don't read the rest of this review as your friends and family are in danger of what will happen when you finally explode. Or get yourself a DVR today.
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There. That's by far the most important thing to say. Discussing the actual between-the-commercials interludes of actual racing is almost trivial in comparison- though now that I've done my public duty I will get serious and discuss those interludes. The great thing about Versus is that at least they let the TdF dominate their daily schedule with two different but similar productions, both of which are repeated during the day. Let's start with the live am broadcast with Phil and Paul before moving on to the Craig and Bob show. Be prepared for some surprising words from me below the fold.

Mornings with Phil and Paul
I suspect most of us watch this show. There are several ways to approach this show so I'll discuss them point by point:
- Production. By midway through stage three I think I started thinking about how much better Phil and Paul were here on the TdF then during their "Cyclism Sundays" shows of the past spring. I won't go as far as R Mc did in early May but I do agree that the Sunday shows were awful to watch, especially if one also has a Cycling.TV subscription and are watching Anthony and Brian covering the same race. I particularly noticed the discrepancy during the Giro when Versus had the exclusive broadcast of the Sunday stages: Phil and Paul were just not up to the levels of Anthony and Brian. So when the Tour rolled around I was worried that I was in for a long slog with only the PC crowd (that's you there) to help me through.
I have to say though that I am pleasantly surprised. Phil and Paul have upped their game, maybe not up to Anthony and Brian standards but close. Why? I attribute this to the fact that they are following the Tour as opposed to just dropping in on the various races weekly and that they get to do day after day of coverage. Who wouldn't want to be in their position moving from stage to stage and drinking in the atmosphere of the Tour as it unfolds? So why are they so good by my reckoning?
They are Comfortable. I see sports announcers as falling into one of two categories: they are either analysts, or they are parental figures. Phil and Paul are parental and IMO they are as good at doing parental as anyone else in any sport. What do I mean by parental? The biggest parental-type announcer in America today is John Madden, the US football guy and if you know how he announces you know what I mean. A parental announcer often is an older guy (not always) who's been around the sport for years but doesn't necessarily follow all the ins and outs of the current situation. ThAt their best they look for the Big Picture. What they do for their audience is to make them comfortable, relaxed. You get to trust these guys. There's not too much info for the audience to absorb (and they often get details like riders' names wrong) but they have a way of conveying the essence of the game/race that goes beyond analysis and that's what I mean by Big Picture. The Tour is much more than just a bunch of bike riders jockeying for position; its a metaphor for French culture, and more than that its a metaphor for life and how to live it. As such it makes sense that things like doping happens more around the Tour than the rest of the year because cheating and lying are as much a part of the human condition as winning and suffering. In fact you can't have one without the other.
Parental announcers do their best when they convince their audience that they understand all of this; that they understand the Big Picture and can/will make sure that the viewers will not miss that Big Picture of what its like to be in the race or to follow the race. When a stage hots up Phil's voice rises and Paul gets more urgent just like the peloton does. And that's the thing: in the Tour, those two become integral to the race since in actuality the announcers are for us viewers gatekeepers. Over these first two weeks Phil and Paul are giving us the Tour through their sense of morality and that's where they shine as I can't think of two gentlemen who are more civilized as these two are. They are like two wise uncles that for most of your life you thought of as kinda weird but as you yourself age learn to appreciate their wisdom. I can practically taste their dinners and I find myself thinking of the various wines of the different parts of France as they slowly move counterclockwise through the country. Strictly speaking we aren't watching the Tour directly, we are watching it through Phil's and Paul's eyes and mainly hearts and that is a good thing for all involved. I am very happy and I can imagine a tear in my eye as they sign-off in Paris for the last time: its happened before with me. Its like finishing a great novel. Isn't that the essence of the Tour?
To be fair, Anthony and Brian, while being of the school of analysts, can get into that mode too. I think a Grand Tour draws it out of anyone who follows along day after day. They did it in the Giro, and were fairly emotional on their last stage they broadcasted knowing that they had just shared a journey with us that was more than a bike race. I think it surprised them a bit too. But that's the strength of Phil and Paul: they've been around long enough that the roughness of life has smoothed their edges in the broadcasting booth and they understand beginning and ending so well. They are at their best during Cycling's biggest event and IMO we are lucky to have them.
Craig and Bob.
At the start of the Tour I was thinking of basically skipping the evening show and I did miss the first couple of stages. I still miss parts of this show but I find myself slowly being drawn in as its becoming fascinating on a different level than Phil and Paul and it all starts with Craig Hummer as I like him.
First impression of Craig: He's not Al! Whoo-hoo! Yeah his voice jolts my ears since its loud but I need to say it again: He's. Not. Al. Trautwig. There is a god.
But now that I've listed to Craig for several days now I'm finding that I like him more and more. Why? He asks good questions that demand more than simple answers- and that gets me to Bobke, Frankie, and Robbie because a decent pbp guy needs to have a decent color guy/analyst next to him. And that leads us first to Bobke.
Bob Roll. Pairing with Craig is making him work in a way he never does with Al and its both a good and bad thing. The good thing is that Bobke does know from Cycling and he can analyze a race. The bad thing is that most of the time he doesn't rise to the occasion. Not only that but he's lost much of his zaniness that he's noted for. I don't know if he misses Al or if he just doesn't have good chemistry with Craig (I suspect the later) but he keeps answering Craig's questions and observations with a rote four-line sound bite that's supposed to show his smarts but instead makes him look superficial. Sometimes he gets below the banal but if the night show were just Craig and Bobke I wouldn't watch. But I keep watching because Frankie and Robbie save the show.
Whoa there. I'm as surprised as you are to write that last sentence but there it is: there is surprisingly good chemistry between Craig and Robbie and particularly Frankie that is just missing with Bobke. At first I thought that it was because Bobke is older but he's only six years older than Andreu. Then I realized that Craig and Robbie and Frankie act younger because the three of them are just into analyzing the stages, predicting who will break, who will counter, looking at all the tactics and they are just better than Bobke at that. They are geeking out. Bobke, meanwhile is a parental type of announcer- but nowhere near as good at that as Phil and Paul. There have been numerous times when Frankie is on when Frankie just outclasses Bobke in his analysis and I think Bob knows it as he gets quieter and quieter and lets Frankie predict in detail the outcome- which he can do close to what Brian can do on CTV.
I find myself hoping that the network honchos see this and change the evening show to Craig and Frankie with Robbie and leave Bobke out all together as it would provide a great contrast to the Phil and Paul show but I'm thinking that would be too good to be true and probably Al will be back from this year's Olympics gymnastics stint to give us more inane pbp with Bobke. sigh.
There you go. Versus has blessed us with two different types of shows at this year's TdF. Cool and probably unintentional. Thus ends my surprisingly upbeat review the Versus TdF coverage. You, dear reader- well I can't believe you took the time to read all of this, but if you did then chapeau! and no doubt you have your own impressions which you can state below.
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Hey man...
... just wanted to say good use of “above and below the fold” editing. Makes the main page very clean…
Ricco stole my marbles.
by crashdan on Jul 19, 2008 2:31 PM EDT 0 recs
My suspicion with Bob Roll... is that he most likely...
... received studio notes to “tone it down”, I can’t believe for a moment that he’s any less beautifully certifiable than he has been in the past. I haven’t heard a single “ever-lovin’-blob-stack” or even seen the crazy tourettes hand motions once. I mean, you want color commentary… it doesn’t get more colorful than Bobke, if he’s allowed to be free. All rank speculation on my part. So at present, we get Bob… but not Bobke.
“Set Bobke Free” (I think I see a lapel button campaign there)...
Ricco stole my marbles.
by crashdan on Jul 19, 2008 2:39 PM EDT 0 recs
Tomorrow will get more interesting
Johan will be doing race commentary starting Sunday through the rest of the tour with Bob and Craig in the evenings. His strategy calls should be interesting. I assume tey call it live as do Phil and Paul.
I like your comment about Phil and Paul as being the familiar Uncles – cool.
by roadside on Jul 19, 2008 2:46 PM EDT 0 recs
I agree about Phil and Paul
The Tour got me into cycling in the first place and helped me with quitting smoking. So I have a special place for Phil and Paul. This is my 4th TdF with them and I look forward to it every year more than almost anything I can think of. In ‘05 when I finally quit smoking, I was heartbroken when the Tour was over. Not because of LA or any of that nonsense but because of the year long wait until the next Tour. Not to mention that P&P got me and many more through all the doping nonsense and kept me interested in pro cycling. I will never quit cycling, to me cycling and pro cycling are separate entities. I like the cycling tv coverage of races, but there is something about P&P that takes YEARS of working together and real friendship to forge. The ease with which they call the Tour and how they make the audience feel is something that you just can’t get anywhere else. While it’s true that Phil often gets names wrong, he’s been involved with cycling for a VERY long time and brings a lifetime of knowledge and passion for the sport with him. It will truly be a sad day when they quit calling the Tour. I for one am not looking forward to that day.
If I just had one more gear, I...
by SpunOut on Jul 19, 2008 3:06 PM EDT 0 recs
Great review
Completely agree with:
that’s where they shine as I can’t think of two gentlemen who are more civilized as these two are. They are like two wise uncles that for most of your life you thought of as kinda weird but as you yourself age learn to appreciate their wisdom.
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I catch the morning coverage, and Megabeth watches the night recap, which I sometimes kinda listen to in the background. I’ll have to look for Andreu’s bits to see this analysis you speak of. I was under the impression that his sole talent, which I’ve seen up close, is getting riders to stop and talk. I’ve never really seen him inject much insight. (Another thing that sets him apart from everyone else up there – he still rides. With the pros, even, from time to time. )
by Sui Juris on Jul 19, 2008 3:09 PM EDT 0 recs
Frankie again
Its possible that Frankie would be a thud as the main color guy. Very possible. What is good about his stints on the evening shift is that they are only 30 minutes long at the most so we don’t have to hear what he can come up with say three hours into a long flat stage. He could well wear on us if he were on longer. I remember liking him in the ToC but he wasn’t very memorable. Still I’d like to see him given the chance if Bobke can’t do more than he has- and Dan has a good point about Bobke above.
by ursula on
Jul 19, 2008 3:51 PM EDT
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I think Frankie would do ok
Frankie must hold the record for the longest announced stage. Remember the seven hour slog on the rainy stage from hell this year in the Tour of California? Frankie did a great job covering that whole seven hours on the live TOC video -( he did most of the talking) . I was impressed.
by roadside on
Jul 19, 2008 8:06 PM EDT
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I think Frankie would be okay.
And he did most of the talking through the whole ToC coverage.
I would love to see Frankie with in Peloton chats lead by DZ. :-)
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on
Jul 20, 2008 7:47 AM EDT
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I used to avoid the evening coverage like the plague
but have caught it several times this year and it’s pretty good. Frankie and Robbie are smart, and the whole crew is funny. Haven’t watched it enough to notice the friction between Hummer and Bob, but you also need to remember that those guys are practically living together during the tour. They share a car, they eat together. Angelina Jolie would start to piss me off after a few weeks of that…
by Jimbo... on Jul 19, 2008 3:52 PM EDT 0 recs
well
Angelina Jolie would start to piss me off after a few weeks of that…
I’d be perfectly happy to test that, myself.
by Sui Juris on
Jul 19, 2008 5:05 PM EDT
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Oh please
It starts out with you and Angelina in the car but by the time you hit the Alps it you and her and 23 hastily adopted french orphans.
by Jens on
Jul 20, 2008 4:33 AM EDT
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Line of the month folks
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."
by Drew... on
Jul 21, 2008 4:49 PM EDT
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Annoying editing....
The editing in the cyclist profiles, the power push segment, etc. makes me fast forward through those now (grateful for DVR). VS is trying to be hip with a lot of fast edits and jerky camera shots. By the third time, though, it’s simply obnoxious. I got enough of that when I watched Mission Impossible and the Bourne Ultimatum. I don’t need it on the Tour dF.
It’s as if they are trying to say: cycling is not cool on it’s own, we need to zazz it up with MTV/commercial edits. Just get to the beef.
I agree, the commentators are doing a good job this year. They can do their jobs without the Final Cut intern sticking his nose in the broadcast.
by SportsAcademic on Jul 19, 2008 5:23 PM EDT 0 recs
Ha
They can do their jobs without the Final Cut intern sticking his nose in the broadcast.
J’amuse.
by Sui Juris on
Jul 19, 2008 6:07 PM EDT
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+1 Final Cut Critique
+10 Mission Impossible Critique
+100 Bourne Ultimatum Critique (can you believe they said “His editing improved between “Identity” and “Ultimatum”??)
Ricco stole my marbles.
by crashdan on
Jul 19, 2008 6:54 PM EDT
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Phil and Paul, “same as it ever was.”
Frankie and Robbie, these guys are good.
Craig, agreed, asking the good questions. Seems to have brought some life the show. Phil and Paul seem to crack a few more funnies this year and I think Craig has something to with it.
Bobke. I save the best for last, but… I love Bobke. Love. The ‘but’ part, he’s looking a bit pasty. Really pasty actually when he’s sitting next to Craig. I love beer(s) as much as the next guy, probably more. I think I recognize that look.
by phantom_51 on Jul 19, 2008 7:04 PM EDT 0 recs
my take
Only watch the morning’s live show. If I’m watching in real time, I have another feed to watch & listen to via the net, gives me another view of what’s going on. I’ll unmute versus for live interviews.
If I’m watching the Tivo’ed show, I fast forward through all the ads, the cyclists profiles,.... which doesn’t leave much live racing unfortunately sometimes.
I avoid the night time show, I watched it a few times and bleh. Must admit that they only one I liked and enjoy watching is Frankie who is quite knowledgeable and as a plus does great interview. I find Ventura to be well insipid and that he doesn’t bring anything to the show except really fast talking. Hummer is bland.
I have to agree about Roll, he’s seems like a shadow of his usual self. I might not agree with everything he’s said in the past but he was always entertaining, what happened? I also agree by the thought that he was asked to tone it down, which is pretty dumb on the part of versus.
And now that Bruyneel is joining the evening show well that’s another reason for me to avoid the show. I want the conversation to be about what’s going on in the race not what happened when Lance was racing – I saw it, don’t need to reminded over and over again.
by lyne on Jul 19, 2008 7:20 PM EDT 0 recs
Craig Hummer
I’m starting to like him… of course, compared to Trautpig anyone’s an improvement but he’s really winning me over.
by cmc on Jul 19, 2008 7:33 PM EDT 0 recs
You actually brought tears to my eyes writing about Paul & Phil
eventually retiring. That will be a sad day. Reminds me of when Harry Carey retired. Thoroughly enjoyable post Mr. Ursula.
by ZoeRochelle on Jul 19, 2008 9:06 PM EDT 0 recs
+1 Harry Carey
Yep- another master of this mode of announcing. He’s missed by millions.
by ursula on
Jul 19, 2008 11:18 PM EDT
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Especially here.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on
Jul 20, 2008 7:57 AM EDT
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John Miller...
... and, god help me, I’m a big fan of Mike Krukow and Duane Kuiper (despite the repeated bashing they get in the Chronicle)
{whine} I miss living in San Francisco! {/whine}
Ricco stole my marbles.
by crashdan on
Jul 20, 2008 12:30 AM EDT
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Versus is fantastic
They are showing the Tour 24/7, more or less. There are too many commercials, but I suppose that’s a small price to pay for this indulgence.
The only thing I’d change about the coverage is to have fewer of the produced background segments during the live race coverage—like the rider or team owner bios. They could move those segments to the evening show, and that would be great.
Bobke. I like him! I think his style hasn’t been perfectly integrated into the coverage, but it’s improved over the years. Phil and Paul clearly set the tone, Craig, Robbie, and Franky easily moved into that orbit. Bobke’s got his own vibe. I think his perspective and approach does add a lot to the broadcast.
by KevinK on Jul 19, 2008 9:13 PM EDT 0 recs
Overall, in heaven with the 24/7 stuff
But agree, I wish the profile goodies were at night for something new to watch. Also can accept commercials but wish they could just group a bunch together and have less breaks in general. If they need them all, put more together with less often interuptions.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on Jul 20, 2008 7:59 AM EDT 0 recs
Then there's the vapid travelog that is CBS on Sundays.
‘nuff said. No VS. I don’t control what my sat dish is subscribed to, I do get an entire season of the NHL though… ho hum. Thank the maker for the internet.
by Fred Marx on Jul 20, 2008 11:51 AM EDT 0 recs
Quality commenatry
Just a few thoughts on the above review.
I believe that the TdF is better than Cyclism Sundays because I think whoever is commenting on Cyclism Sundays is doing studio work with a highlights reel and a bit of live coverage but not at the actual race. Likewise Brian and Anthony are usually in a studio outside London commenting on the international feed that they are seeing at the same time we do. It’s not the same as being there but still pretty good. I do think Brian is terrific.
I watch the live TdF show in the morning because I’m hooked on the racing but I don’t get as much insight from P & P as I do from Bobke whom I greatly admire but in the old, uninhibited version. P & P had to grow on me.
I have a Google Bobke alert which gives me a fuller picture of him. He does a lot of charity appearances and rides in the off season which I admire. I saw last spring that he told someone his contract hadn’t been renewed with Versus so maybe the new behavior was mandated in the new contract. Sad. He’s much better the other way.
Another possibility is that I always thought he was totally pissed off by Trautwig and that added an edge to his remarks that is gone with Hummer. Maybe part of that parental thing bringing along a younger generation of commentators.
And I think the whole lot of them who show up every evening are being auditioned as leaders/full time studio people on a new night time team. Hummer is obviously for the younger demographic that VS wants to cultivate and the other three would be in the same range. But their insights are nothing compared to Bob’s nor as funny as when he’s at his best.
Finally, I am wondering why, if everyone is so opposed to doping, Frankie Andreu who is an admitted doper and tried to bring Lance down as well, is even on salary here?
Only one more week and then I go into withdrawal - from my daily cycling fix. Strictly legal though it does affect my performance in my daily life.
by marillaw on Jul 21, 2008 12:55 AM EDT 0 recs
Versus TV ratings
I have to say, watching the live morning coverage yesterday to Prato Nevoso was a treat. Paul and Phil were really on their game and there were no commercials on the last climb.
Here are some different reports of the TV ratings for the Tour for Versus this year.
http://blog.oregonlive.com/playbooksandprofits/2008/07/tour_de_france_ratings_down_so.html
http://www.mediapost.com/publications/index.cfm?fa=Articles.showArticleHomePage&art_aid=86755
by roadside on Jul 21, 2008 8:27 AM EDT 0 recs
Hmmm - dunno if I'm becoming a curmedgeon or
I’m just hard to please. But I tape the morning coverage and then fast forward through everything at night that is not the actual race itself. I hated Trautwig (as all the old guard well knows) so Hummer is an upgrade (that felt weird to type).
Bob is fine I guess (sigh). He’s a former racer so he knows his stuff, but he’s no better at prognosticating then we are. The whole zaniness factor just kills it for me, but that’s more than likely because I’m a contrarian. I think he’d be fun to drink with while watching a stage, but I’ve got no patience for watching or listening to him on the pre-game or the stage itself.
Phil and Paul paved my way into televised cycling starting in 1999. Yes Phil isn’t quite as adept at identifying riders as he used to be, and yes Paul has a habit of repeating everything Phil just said before making his own point, but when they’re on they’re terrific and not many people not named Hugo Chavez can fill up 6 hours of live tv coverage as well.
Though Anthony and Brian are getting close….......
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."
by Drew... on Jul 21, 2008 5:01 PM EDT 0 recs










