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Tour Teams: Work Left To Do

Time for another accountability moment. The info below takes my July 1 teams preview, replacing the predictions with an update on where each team stands. I'm done with power polls on this subject; if you haven't noticed that CSC is the best team, you should switch to watching TapouT.

AG2R... Challengers

Who's it about? Cyril Dessel mostly. Dessel did a terrific, if unexpected, job of hanging with the big boys on all the climbs of the 2006 Tour, landing in sixth place on GC in Paris. Vlad Efimkin, Tadej Valjavec and John Gadret will be useful allies in the mountains. 

Can they do it? Have they done it? Amazingly, AG2R have owned second place in the team rankings for over a week. They're just over 9 minutes back of CSC (of course)... while third place Rabobank trails by more than an hour. Efimkin has been steady and a constant presence in the Alps. Too bad Riccardo Ricco and his magic potion temporarily hijacked Efimkin's win on stage 9. He and Valjavec have both cracked the top ten, though stiff challenges from Kim Kirchen and Andy Schleck could upset matters. Best of all perhaps, Cyril Dessel nabbed stage 16 off La Bonette, after being second on stage 9. Elmiger was pipped at the post for stage 11. Verdict: if they hang on Saturday, a huge success.

Star-divide

Agritubel... Sprinters

Who's it about? Then 23-y.o. Roman Feillu was just beginning to draw notice for keeping up with the Boonens and McEwens and Hushovds in the opening stages of the 2007 Tour, when he DNF'd in the Alps. He'll have Jimmy Casper, a former stage winner, on hand, and Christophe Moreau to either lend a hand or go after his own latest moment of glory.

Have they done it? Moreau is shrouded in ugly mystery, but Feillu saved the team's month by getting himself into yellow after a stage 3 escape. Casper disappeared in the Alps. Verdict: mezza-mezza. They could use a stage win pronto.

Barloworld... Part-time Challengers, Sprinters

Who's it about? For now, all eyes are on Juan Mauricio Soler, a candidate for a high GC placing or at least a successful defense of his KOM jersey. But for a GC team, they have a pretty sharp sprinter in Robbie Hunter, second for the Green Jersey last year to a guy (Boonen) who's not starting this time. After that, Soler is more or less on his own.

Have they done it? Only in the most child-scolding sense (e.g., "they've really done it now"). Soler crashed out early, sparing him the Duenas ugliness and disintegration of the team. On the bike, Hunter could use that stage win, ASAP, at least to help cement his next contract. They've been invisible in races except when Augustyn fell on the Bonnette. Verdict: merde.

Bouygues Telecom... Stage Hunters

Who's it about? Take your pick... Clement is a fine time trialist, though his opportunities consist of beating Cancellara on a modest course early on or hanging in til stage 20. Yuriy Trofimov was a revelation at the Dauphine Libere, winning the stage to Morzine and nearly bagging the KOM jersey. Thomas Voeckler will be on the loose somewhere.

Have they done it? Pretty nondescript effort to date. Trofimov had a go at stage 2 but didn't make it, finally dropping out before Hautacam. Voeckler's KOM jersey ambitions faded as soon as the climbs got serious. No stages. Verdict: unsuccessful; look for one last attempt at a break.

Caisse d'Epargne... Contenders

Who's it about? El Imbatible, natch. Alejandro Valverde's GC placing seems to be the only thing on the team's mind this year. No Vlad Karpets for the (scant) time trials; no Xabier Zandio for sprints. As far as I can tell, they're all in for the climbs: Arroyo, Lopez, Pereiro, Sanchez Gil... quality.

Have they done it? Valverde has crawled back up the GC ladder, and is looking better, but so far the highlight has been Luis Leon Sanchez Gil's successful escape to win stage 7. Pereiro's fall was a near-nightmare. Verdict: Can we go home now?

Cofidis... Contenders

Who's it about? Sylvain Chavanel and maybe Maxime Monfort. DS Eric Boyer is downplaying expectations after putting four first-timers on the roster, but you have to think they'll send out some feelers for a top-10 GC finish. Leonardo Duque is the designated sprinter. David Moncoutie is the resident veteran stage-hunter, with a couple palmares in the last three years.

Have they done it? Monfort was in contention for the white jersey until the Alps. Chavanel has been active and briefly held the KOM. Moncoutie was seen among the giants on the Alpe, but only briefly. A stage win would help a lot, but the chances are basically gone. Oh, and Chavanel's moving to Flanders. Verdict: Disappointing.Forgot about Dumoulin's win. Also, now add Chavanel, though I wonder how it plays, the day after he signs with Quick Step?

Crédit Agricole... Sprinters

Who's it about? Hushovd, at least at the start. Big Thor has been the team's main Tour protagonist for years, highlighted by some time in yellow and a green jersey. I'm sure they have other riders looking to do something (Botcharov, Gerrans, Pauriol), but Hushovd's ambitions should take precedence.

Have they done it? Hushovd's green jersey campaign didn't translate well on the undulating parcours and never really got going til too late. But he got one stage, and Gerrans won a dramatic breakaway on the ride to Prato Nevoso. Verdict: not too shabby!

Euskaltel-Euskadi... Contenders

Who's it about? Haimar Zubeldia, Sammy Sanchez, and Mikel Astarloza, though there's some debate about what order. Gone from this year's Tour squad are guys who do anything but climb, like Koldo Fernandez. This is a pure GC squad, with potential for stages in the process.

Have they done it? Zubeldia has been a big letdown. Astarloza and Sanchez have been slightly better, but headwinds ruined his planned downhill assault on the field coming off the Bonette. Still, with a good time trial he could improve his already-solid 8th place by a spot. Fernandez hasn't been seen much. Verdict: Not the spectacle they'd hoped for.

Française des Jeux... Stage Hunters

Who's it about? Sandy Casar is the GC guy, or at least a top-flight stage hunter. Philippe Gilbert is another stage hunter, though his plans to defect to Silence-Lotto probably won't earn him much freedom in the team. Seb Chavanel can bag a sprint when things work out for him, and Rémy Di Gregorio could win the hearts and minds of the country if he puts his talents to work in the mountains. A KOM jersey would be a shrewd move.

Have they done it? Done what? Sebastian Chavanel just missed a stage sprint, and so far that ranks as the highlight of the campaign. Casar is riding near the front but hasn't much to show for it yet, aside from the distinction of being the top-placed Frenchman at 14th. Di Gregorio lit up the first Pyrenean climb, before falling back. Philippe Gilbert's attacking-all-the-time strategy predictably didn't pan out. Verdict: [yawn]

Gerolsteiner... Sprinters

Who's it about? Robert Forster and Heinrich Haussler fill out the sprinters' ranks. Markus Fothen goes for a long-shot GC placing. No shortage of classics guys around to hunt for a stage (Wegmann, Kohl, etc.).

Have they done it? Mein gott! What a surprising Tour this has been. Kohl came from nowhere to bag the mountains prize and challenge for the maillot jaune, the most stunning result of all so far. He's clinging to a podium spot, and might get seriously exposed in the time trial, but the rest of his work won't be forgotten anytime soon. Sebastian Lang did a decent job climbing, and Stefan Schumacher has been spectacular. Verdict: beyond Holczer's wildest dreams. [Ahem... sponsors??]

High Road/Columbia... Contenders

Who's it about? Kim Kirchen, mostly, thanks to last year's 7th at the Tour and otherwise excellent riding everywhere he went. Kanstantin Siutsou and Thomas Lovkvist are two young longshots for a notable GC place. Hincapie plays the captain/uber-teammate role, while Cavendish and Ciolek chase sprint glory. Their glue guys are Eisel, Burghardt and Adam Hansen, if that's any indication of this team's depth of quality. [Hint: it is.]

Have they done it? Kirchen has slipped back in the overall rankings, though he's within hailing distance of the top 10. Their first week dominance, along with all the jerseys, then followed by the slew of stage wins (five so far), has given their new sponsor a vast, immediate payoff. Siutsou and Lovkvist didn't quite get the GC breakout the team might have liked, but they emerged as the preeminent stage team, dominating the race when they had a potential winner lined up. One more objective: Ciolek in Paris? Verdict: very successful.

Lampre... Contenders

Who's it about? Another simple one: Damiano Cunego. Unlike past years where Lampre have hedged their bets on the GC chase with (excellent) sprinters, this time around Bennati is gone, Napolitano has been left home, and the Kid has a raft of climbers in Szmyd, Marzano and Tiralongo to tow him around. Alessandro Ballan is a great teammate in the lowlands, and Lampre is intent on delivering Cunego to the high passes in one piece.

Have they done it? All you need to know about their Tour was summed up by -- as predicted -- the sight of Szmyd, Marzano and Tiralongo towing Cunego around today... 20 minutes off the back, bleeding through his shredded clothes. Apart from Ballan's occasional stage efforts, all they've proven is that Cunego can't cut it at the Tour. Verdict: an unmitigated, depressing disaster.

Liquigas... Stage Hunters

Who's it about? OK, here's a pessimistic call, just to keep things honest. Their GC guys are Kreuziger and Nibali. Their sprinter begged off with injury and left the job to his modestly-decorated understudy. They also have a bevy of fine riders... for the classics. Translation? Stage hunting.

Have they done it? With the bar set low, OK sure. Nibali held the maillot blanc for a while, and Kreuziger served notice that he's a B-list contender at a future Tour. But their brand was further tarnished by the Beltran doping matter, and Pippo Pozzato just jumped to the new Russian team. Verdict: positives can't quite outkick the negatives.

Quick Step... Stage Hunters

Who's it about? Tom Boonen, and his absence from the team. Stijn Devolder is the GC guy until he explodes in the mountains. Steegmans and De Jongh would be prime stage candidates, with Vandewalle and Barredo looking for the right breakaway.

Have they done it? Devolder disappeared on the first Alpine climb, unable to shake off the effects of a poorly-timed virus. Barredo came closest of anyone to a stage victory (so far), and is probably still cursing Marcus Burghardt. Highlight so far has been signing Sylvain Chavanel. Verdict: You can't have everything.

Rabobank... Contenders/Sprinters

Who's it about? Denis Menchov and Oscar Freire. More than any other team, Rabobank (true to its nature) has divided its attention between objectives. With the Chicken cooked and Dekker out, at least they're only chasing two jerseys and not four. Both guys have some solid protection, with Flecha and Posthuma on the flats and Ten Dam in the mountains.

Have they done it? Menchov is still barely in contention for yellow, though in all likelihood he'll time-trial his way to the third step of the podium, a Tour best for him and Rabo. Also, Oscar Freire is finally joining the Green Jersey fraternity of sprinters, somewhat by default but also by consistency. They've been active and relatively exciting to watch. Verdict: pretty big success, particularly if Menchov moves up.

Saunier Duval... Secondary Contenders

Who's it about? Ricardo Ricco, and by secondary I mean secondary jerseys, not Yellow. Leo Piepoli, if healthy, will look to reprise their Giro plan by launching 1-2 punches at their rivals on the biggest slopes. Plenty of potential stage winners on hand too, I suppose.

Have they done it? They almost ruined the Tour. Verdict: Va fa Napoli.

Silence! Lotto... Contenders

Who's it about? Cadel Evans, firstly. Robbie McEwen will go stage hunting, and he'll likely have Van Summeren and old friend Leif H\o/ste by his side. The rest of the team is all in for Evans. Yaroslav Popovych is the world's greatest teammate, in case you didn't know.

Have they done it? Not yet. Evans has left himself some unfinished business... maybe even a tad too much. The team came in for plenty of criticism for failing to help him in the climbs, but aside from Popovych there was only so much you could expect. To top it off, McEwen has rarely come close in the sprints, though he too isn't quite done, now that Cavendish went home. Verdict: Incomplete. The difference between total success and failure is currently 1:34... and by Sunday it will likely be the blink of an eye.

Slipstream/Garmin... Stage Hunters

Who's it about? Take your pick. Magnus Backstedt and David Millar are the big names, though they can only win in breaks. Trent Lowe and Christian VandeVelde will eye their overall placing, as long as they're doing well.

Have they done it? Yes and no. VandeVelde isn't likely to pull off the major upset and get on the podium; too many guys have to crumple Saturday for him to get there. But he was the other big surprise after Kohl, and rode gloriously throughout. Also, Pate narrowly missed a stage win, and Will Frischkorn had a nice breakaway as well. Verdict: no on results; yes on showing the jersey and proving they belong.

Team CSC/Saxo Bank... Contenders

Who's it about? In order, Carlos Sastre, Frank Schleck, and Andy Schleck, or so they're saying. This is a GC squad; no more fliers on JJ Haedo. All these guys can climb, or hammer, or both. Fabian Cancellara is the non-GC superstar patron of the time trials... CSC's only real distraction from the main goal of yellow.

Have they done it? You have to ask? CSC are a rolling advertisement for the value of teamwork, which can currently be priced at one yellow kit, one white kit, and yet another team classification. Riis was recently overheard saying "Christian Prudhomme? He's working for me now." Yikes! Verdict: huge victory already; with the ultimate victory in reach.

Team Milram... Stage Hunters

Who's it about? Zabel, I suppose. I like that Terpstra kid. Peter Velits too.

Have they done it? Not sure what to say. I've pled my case for a Zabel win before we're done. Friday offers a chance. Velits was heroic until about the second switchback of the Alpe. Verdict: what more did you expect?

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Spot on Bevin!

I’ve not read the whole kit and caboodle but great so far (I’m down to Gerol, which covers all the French teams…) I have to give a hats off to the host nation’s teams and their efforts to animate the race. How many all French breaks have we seen this year? More than a few and that says a lot that does not always show in the box scores.

I’ll be quite now.

"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race

by ELVISGOAT on Jul 24, 2008 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I have to agree

the French riders have been more than entertaining this year. So, so happy when they made the podium, like little Sammy D as in Delightful and Cyril D as in Dreamboat. Loved the confidence and joy Cyril showed shaking Bernard Hinault’s hand.

by bethie on Jul 24, 2008 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quite now... very zen statement...

Hey EGoat… at some point I seem to have gotten it in my head that you are a rock climber. Is that in fact the case?

Ricco stole my marbles.

by crashdan on Jul 24, 2008 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ommmmmmmmmmm

Rock, Yes. Living here in NC there are great opportunities to climb rock. Locally, Hanging Rock State Park… 2 hours away, the wonders of the Boone Bouldering mecca.

You?

"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race

by ELVISGOAT on Jul 24, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

No... I'm not...

... but next to that place in my grey matter where I determined that you were a climber, a seed has been growing about taking a four day trip with an outfitter to summit Grand Teton next summer. You being, I suppose, the only person I know with chalk on his hands, I was hoping to get your opinion on the matter… or a personal account if you’ve done that yourself. Feel free to email me instead of hijacking the thread if you feel so inclined. You can send a note through the contact page on my website… www.motoescapism.com (saves me having to post my email address in public :) )

Ricco stole my marbles.

by crashdan on Jul 24, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was it the name?

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Jul 24, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

How in God's name do you remember all this stuff?

All the names are familiar to me only because it’s third week into the tour… but you knew that crap BEFORE the event. I am in total freakin’ awe.

A question about Freire… you say it’s “somewhat by default” that he’s in the green jersey… is that because Boonen got the pretour nosecandy virus or something else?

Ricco stole my marbles.

by crashdan on Jul 24, 2008 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

"Somewhat by default" !!!???

I’ve still not read that far… OMFG! Are you serious? This is the first year that Ocsarito has even been aware that the Green Jersey even EXISTED… and what happened? He wan the damn thing.

"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race

by ELVISGOAT on Jul 24, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

*won

"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race

by ELVISGOAT on Jul 24, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeh

Dee fault. No Boonen, no Benna, bad course for Thor, and Cavendish bailed. No disrespect to your boy Oscarito, he did his job. But still…

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 25, 2008 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oscarito might have done it this year anyway

I think if Benna and Boonen had been in the race this year they might have ruined it for Cav on one of his stages and split the points up even more, resulting in a clearer lead for Oscar. This year’s Tour favored a punchy little sprinter like Freire from the outset for the green jersey, and he clearly set his sights on it from the beginning.

Oscar prioritized the early uphill finishes this year and was in the early lead among the sprinters on points. He also scampered in a break one day to sweep up the intermediate sprint points—that’s initiative rarely seen in the green jersey competition. And he won a stage in classic Oscarito fashion: climbs deplete the bunch a little and a chaotic scramble to the line ensues.

(And, I think Our Fearless Leader is a little down on Oscar because he is ineligible by birth to ride for the Azurra, but that’s another matter. . .)

by Softie on Jul 25, 2008 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race

by ELVISGOAT on Jul 25, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

He could never ride for Chris

His eyebrows have a natural gap between them.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Jul 25, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahhh...

that explains it.

"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race

by ELVISGOAT on Jul 25, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

EE

Hard for Koldo Fernandez to show anything when he isn’t riding the TdF. From what I’ve read he doesn’t finish GTs in good condition so takes some time to recover, so the Giro Vuelta combo is what his body can handle, not two full GTs in succession. Asasi is EEs sprinter for the TdF, and while he has snuck into the top 10 on occaision he is strictly a 4th tier sprinter.

Cofidis
Duque hasn’t won anything but he’s been fantastic – a second on a stage and climbing like any of his compatriots. A real prospect for some of the hillier classics if he can bring this form with him. He’s an unusual rider who might now be finding his feet.

FdJ
Seb Chavanel wont win sprints until he gets a better leadout – and the rumour I heard is that they’re looking to poach Eisel which will give him one. That would make him a much more consistent GT sprinter.

by Rothko on Jul 24, 2008 6:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Eisel to FdJ?

He was already there once and decided to leave. I don’ t see him go back, especially to lead out Chavanel? He’s a C list sprinter at best. Eisel would get more opportunities for wins at Columbia, especially after Cavendish got his, like Greipel at the Giro. No, I doubt Eisle goes to FdJ. If he does, he’s a fool!!!

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jul 24, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eisel isn't trying to stay a bunch sprinter

You can read some of the interviews he did earlier in the year. He’s trying to do an O’Grady and become a classics rider with a winning sprint (in fact he’s hoping his reputation as a sprinter fades so people wont be so worried about having him in a break). Good idea for him – and if you think about him in those terms a move makes more sense – Columbia are stacked with spring talent and Eisel will as often as not end up as one of the workhorses. Over on FdJ, they’ve just lost their best spring talent and Eisel would be one of the team leaders over there. One of the reasons he’s doing that, of course, is that he’s way down the sprinting pecking order at Columbia – behind Cavendish, Ciolek, Greipel. So the real reason for a move to FdJ (in my opionion of course) would be for his own racing through the spring; the leadout man thing comes in the big tours – just like many other classics riders have different roles for their team during stage races. So the leadout benefits – as a leadout man he’s pretty good, he’s still got all that positional nous and the punch to give a solid leadout. I don’t know whether you watched the TdU earlier in the year where he was doing that job for Greipel, but he was very good.

by Rothko on Jul 24, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read the same interviews and watched th TdU as well

Who said that he won’t get a chance to ride the classics for himself? But, really, FdJ is sheit. Unless the money is TONS better, why would he want to leave a winning team where he will surely get his own chances? I completely disagree, FdJ is a HUGE step down. Of course this is all IMO.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jul 24, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

There might be money issues over on Columbia

The problem with having a load of young talent is that you’ve got a bunch of developing riders that are having their market value re-rated – so my guess is that they’re looking at big payrises for riders like Ciolek (who Milram are reportedly interested in), Boasson Hagen, Burghardt. Cavendish of course (how much more do you reckon they’ll be looking to pay for him alone? There are whole squads built around talents like that), even Kirchen possibly. I don’t think Eisel would be a priority to get one. FdJ may have offered more . . . Kohl jumped from T-mob to Gerolsteiner for the same reasons and you could well argue that he’s gone from a top team to a second teir one.

by Rothko on Jul 24, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eisel

sounds like he likes Columbia even if he’s riding for others. But yeh, he still has to follow the money.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 25, 2008 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I think that's right

There seems to be excellent team spirit on Columbia – when Kirchen and Lovkvist are willing to pitch in on a sprinters stage that’s a reflection of that. But those happy feelings don’t pay for your retirement. Not every rider has a career in chimney sweeping to fall back on.

It was a vague rumour I was reporting so probably nothing will come of it.

by Rothko on Jul 25, 2008 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont' doubt

there are people on other teams looking at Eisel. Actually, I think there will be an attempted mass-feeding frenzy on Columbia this winter. All the Germans who got unexpectedly shipped overseas, all that young talent bound up in one team, etc. If I were DS of a less interesting team, I’d be sniffing around, at least. Doesn’t mean it’ll work, but talent doesn’t often accumulate in one place for long.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 25, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Columbia DS 's not helping

A couple of days ago Brian Holm went and said that Boasson Hagen WILL win the Tour in 5 years. Good work Brian that will surely help when contracts are renegotiated.

by Jens on Jul 25, 2008 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Koldo...

good catch, thanks.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 24, 2008 6:49 PM EDT reply actions  

After all

I did call this an accountability moment…

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 24, 2008 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris, were you giving Sastre the benefit of the doubt in the TT?

I have a hard time taking that with a straight face.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jul 24, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

He's not awful

look up his results.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 25, 2008 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cofidis better

Dumoulin stage win and in most breaks and Duque has been a pleasant surprise for them I think. I would rate them higher.

by Markk on Jul 24, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

my biggest disappointment

Euskaltel, in the beggining i really hope for euskaltel rider into the podium and some attacks (nothing!!)...

Feillu was one of the most surprise for. Despite non win he show that was really combative guy, and admire sprinters like that, he just entry for my admire list.

Barloworld was a big disappointment too and Gerolsteiner is a big surprise for me…(Schumacher very positive, after a shadow season)

by semprenaroda on Jul 24, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Euskaltel was a big disapointment all the way around

They are a team of climbers, from the Pyrenees, but didn’t show anything there. They should have been jumping out of the bunch like jackrabbits and owning those climbs. Sammy Sanchez was a bit of a disappointment as well. A second place is good, but still doesn’t make up for a mierda Tour.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Jul 24, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

EE's performance

was bad for fans but great for cycling… a sure sign they’ve cleaned up (to some degree at least).

"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race

by ELVISGOAT on Jul 24, 2008 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. - G. Marx

by flying dog on Jul 25, 2008 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed EE was a major disappointment

they didn’t even seem to try much (or maybe they did before 6am?)

by lyne on Jul 24, 2008 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh Cofidis already had a stage win with Dumoulin

so their rating was certainly better than disappointing even before today’s stage

by lyne on Jul 25, 2008 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

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