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VDS Stock Watch! Post Tour Edition!

Imagine that you aren't stuck with the same deadbeat riders all year.

Its easy if you try.

No Ricco below us.

Above us only Bert.

Imagine all us players living for today ooh hoo

You may say I'm a plagiarist but I'm not the only one...

ACK

Okay so my inner John Lennon broke out just now- sue me!  But seriously folks, I'm imagining what if we could choose our teams all over again for the rest of the year? If we could do that who would you pick?  Who would you dump faster than light and who would you buy?  Below the break I'll look at some of the main riders and try to project the rest of their VDS seasons and se who Instant Karma is gonna hit...

 

Star-divide

Sell sell sell everything you've paid for

Dekker, Ricco, Petacchi,  Gusev,  Moreau-  Gresham's Law, baby.

Cobo- I have this feeling that someone on - what do we call them now?  Scott?  Meat pies? What?- might do quite well in the Vuelta.  Maybe its him---------- nah.  Sell 'em. He's scared to death from the bullet he dodged in the Tour.

Meh

Kirchen, Nibali, Wegmann, Burghardt, O'Grady, Cavendish, Menchov, Ballan, McEwen- None of these guys has much of a season ending flourish before; no reason to expect them to change. They've put in their dues but what they've earned by now is basically all they will get.  The biggest possible  exception at this point is Ballan who does Vattenfall (and he won it last year) and Paris-Tours plus McEwen who does Paris-Tours often to good effect.  But Robbie is a bit old so I can't imagine him winning anything so any points he gets from here on out will be of the garbage variety.

I'm including Cavendish here because I'm not seeing where he's getting anymore VDS points.  He'll be in the Olympics in non-VDS events.  he'll do the non-VDS Tour of Britain.  He'd do well in GP Ouest France - Plouay or Paris-Tours but he's never done those and since he's had a long season I can see him packing it in after Britain so to us VDSers he's as useful to us as Ricco.

As for Menchov, I just don't have much faith in him in any one day race like the Worlds or the Olympics (and is he even going to that?). Since he's not in the Vuelta, he's looking like the closest thing to a bust in the 25 point guys.

Evans

Cadel deserves a section to himself.  Why am I selling him?  Because if this were a real stock market investors would be panicking over his knee. The VDS strength of Cadel is how consistent he is over the course of a season. The guy scores more than Wilt Chamberlain for Christ's sakes. But he rarely scores big big points so any extended injury can cause him lose serious VDS production.  Now we don't know how long his knee will keep him out beyond the Olympic TT (where he would have scored).  Maybe he'll miss the Olympic RR (where he would have scored.  Maybe he'll miss the Vuelta (where he would have scored.  Then there are the Worlds and Giro de Lombardia (where he would score).  Now if he does get healthy soon then fine- he could be the 2nd highest VDS scorer this year.  We just don't know at this point.

Horner- I see that Astana is racing the Vuelta, Deutchland/Vattenfalls and Missouri, which are all at about the same time, and someone's gotta race Missouri so I pick Chris to headline that non-VDS scoring team.

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Holds

Bennati-

The difference between holding Benna and selling Cattle is that Benna is cute.  Plus he's had longer to recover.  Plus he's cute. And ruggedly handsome. Striking, really. Photogenic- the camera loves him.  Otherwise he should be in the sell column cause even if he participates in the Vuelta he's got Tornado Tom and Oscarito to contend with so he ain't getting much.  But we sure will admire him for it.

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 Deutchland!

Jens!  Psst! I don't want to say this loud but Jens! age is showing. Just a bit.  He's not quite scoring like he's done in recent years. Sure he won Criterium International but legally he HAS to win that.  Seriously though the rest of the season for him is all about the Deutchland Tour. Score there and he's in like flint.  Lose and his VDS owners will go postal.  Sure he will participate in GP Ouest France- Plouay, Vattenfalls, and Worlds (where he won that Giro stage) but I don;t consider him a major fave in any of those.

Other Germans

Kloden and Zabel-  What? You think Kloden will do Deutchland?  Are you nuts? Klodi will do Vuelta but in a supporting role.  But that's about it so he'll score a handful of points.  Zabel meanwhile will race a bunch and come in 7th each time.7th in Vattenfalls.  7th in points at Vuelta. 7th at Paris-Tours. 7th at Deutchland.  Never mind that these races overlap- there are clones of Zabel out there just waiting for the chance to finish 7th.  

Other non-Germans

Gilbert- Zabel, part deux: he'll race a lot for so-so results giving his owners some points, but nothing like he did in the beginning of the season.

Pozzato- Actually he might be a buy as he can do well in GP, Vattenfalls, Worlds, Paris-Tours, and Lombardia.

Rodriguez- This guy I find quite odd.  In past years he's been busy in the spring, culminating in the Giro.  Then he takes the summer off only to come back around now- and he does squat.  Makes no sense.  There are several races from now till the end of the year that he could score big time but he never does. He could be in the sell column for all the success he's had- but he's too good not to at least place a hold on.

Hincapie- A Rodriguez-type in my mind. Not many results there though I would figure some of these races would suit him.  Plus, he's sure to defend his Missouri title.

Pellizotti- Might do well. Probably will do mediocre.  That hair though... its always fabulous.

Vlad Efimkin- Could do well in the Vuelta. Maybe.  Race looks like it has some serious competition this year.

David Millar- Perhaps for the TTs? He'll miss the Vuelta TTs though.

JJ Rojas- Youngster could score in Vattenfalls and GP- longshot. Never has raced Paris-Tours though it should set up well for him.

Kreuziger- Another young 'un. He raced Vuelta and Deutchland last year; obviously he only gets one this year.  Considering how much he's improved he could be a buy but my gut says hold.

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Buy

Prepare to be schooled.

As I mentioned with Rodriguez above there are a bunch of quality riders who race well in the spring then take of the Tour and pre-Tour races only to come back now refreshed for the second half of their season. You would think these guys would clean up now against the tired Tour boys but it doesn't necessarily work that way.  Still some of these guys look primed for a serious fall:

Bettini, Contador, Boonen, Di Luca, Rebellin, Gesink, Leipheimer, Mosquera.  All of these guys have multiple races that they should do well in if not win outright. In fact if Boonen races say Paris-Tours I can see these guys winning all of the remaining VDS races (except Deutchland because none of them are in it). Maybe not the Olympic and World TTs but even there with Levi and Bert you have two automatic high scorers.  

-Boonen should win the points jersey in the Vuelta.

-Soon to be teammates Rebellin and Di Luca plus Bettini are serious threats on the remaining hilly one day races (San Sebastian, World and Olympic RR, Emillia, Lombardia.

-Contador and Leipheimer and Levi's best bud Gesink will dominate the Vuelta and do well in the Olympics. BTW- with Levi doing this he'll not be defending his US RR title- and the most important thing about that is we won't see THE worst uniform in the history of bicycles next year.

-Mosquera is the odd one here perhaps but he also does well in the Vuelta.  A cheap buy.

Lucky Men

Then you have certain Tour riders who keep their form from the Tour to great effect in the fall:

Valverde, Cunego, both Schlecks, Hushovd, Schumacher, Cancellara, Freire, Ciolek, Sastre and Barredo.

A couple of chrono guys and a bunch of Ardennes aces with Sastre and Barredo looking good for the Vuelta.  Freire is both Boonen's top challenger for the Vuelta points (if he stays the course all the way which is doubtful) and looks good for Vattenfalls, and the Olympic and World RRs. Hushovd, like he does goes a different route with Paris-Tours, and Vattenfalls big in his future (along with Freire and Di Luca). Ciolek does Deutchland (main competition: Zabel), Vattenfalls, and GP Ouest France  etc. etc..

Other buys

Sam San- IF he races Vuelta buy!  If not- maybe buy anyway. He'll do well in the Worlds RR (is he in the Olympics?) and he's money in the Giro de Lombardia. This guys always earns his pay after the Tour anyway.

 

Okay much like Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam with the Red Book of Westmarch, I'm done. See you beyond the sea.

 

 

 

 

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Wow

Who knew I’d have anyone on the buy list? Oh, wait, I guess that has a lot to do with guys who haven’t done bubkis yet. So maybe it makes sense…

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Jul 31, 2008 6:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No kidding

I’ve got to be in the bottom 25% points-wise, but I’ve got three buys. Chris, can I just straight up sell them to Ursula for points?

by dheadrick on Jul 31, 2008 11:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whatever happened

to JJ Haedo this year? Last year he was gold, this year I pick him up and what…nothing.

by bethie on Jul 31, 2008 6:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess he's not a guy for the VDS races

maybe he can still make it for the Vuelta’s team?

by King of Doping on Jul 31, 2008 6:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he vanished, completely.

Where has he raced this year after Cali?

by Bruce Suomi on Jul 31, 2008 7:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess I meant

last year he showed a lot of promise, and looked like he might just be getting onto form for this year. But he hasn’t been racing at all, was he injured?

by bethie on Jul 31, 2008 7:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haedo's career, so far

Last year after his nice start in Cali, CSC gave him some chances, notably in the Giro (one 9th place stage finish, did not finish race), and Deutchland (a 4th place stage finish) and Vattenfalls (DNF), Eneco Tour (a 9th place stage finish) and he raced the World RR (DNF). He did a few lesser races too but basically he showed that he wasn’t ready for the top races although he was money in the US.

This year after ToC, he did Murcia (some good results there), Georgia, Catylunya instead of the Giro (nothng much there), Luxembourg (won stage 1), Star Electrolux, Sachen, and now Denmark- all with not much to show for it.

I think he can still step up to the big races but he’s 27 and a half now and perhaps he isn;t quite good enough. He shows I think the difference between racig in the US and in Europe.

by ursula on Jul 31, 2008 8:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow... Leipheimer and Bettini in the buy list...

... I’d keep Bettini no matter what… (psst… Bettini… I can’t get over you ♥♥♥). Petacchi is done for the season right? Suspended for willful asthma treatment?

Regardless, we now head into the part of the cycling season I don’t really know much about: the August, September, October, November, December, January, February, March, April, May, June time frame. July I only know about negligibly.

Note to self: domestiques are cool, cool dudes and morally superior to their team leader counterparts… but it’s the guy with the captain’s armband that gets the points. No more Cioni in 2009 for team Motoescapism.

Bueno Carlos!!!!!

by crashdan on Jul 31, 2008 6:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ditto

I picked him two or three years ago as a “star of the future.” Looks like he’s really just a “domestique of the future.”

by dheadrick on Jul 31, 2008 11:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Schumacher said that he wanted to do a top 10 at the next year's Tour

could he try his skills in this year’s Vuelta for the overall? At this point nothing would surprise me from him, but he’s probably going to the Vuelta to prepare for the world championships.

by King of Doping on Jul 31, 2008 6:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hope not, I can't stand him.

he has escaped so many times (his mom writes TUE’s for him btw., she is a doctor), but the same comments I had for Boonen are even harder for him since he hit and run while being drunk and drugged,
take this scumbags driving license away for at least half a year.
And test him inside out, his perfomance at the Tour was, well, very suspicious.
I don’t trust the French testing at all.

by Bruce Suomi on Jul 31, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Igor Anton

on the buy list – for the Vuelta (he’s my only hope…)

Kolobnev – might be worth a look, he did well in the fall last year.

Hot on the top of my sell list is one Robbie Hunter, bubkis in the Tour and otherwise keeping himself busy in South Africa. South Africa!? I’m all for developing cycling in Africa, but do it on someone else’s team bub ;)

I’d put a big old hold on Schumi. He’ll probably do well, but smells too fishy.

by kimchi on Jul 31, 2008 6:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's pronounced EYE-Gore

Deutsche Wurst. Alles andere als Käse.

by crashdan on Aug 1, 2008 11:10 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ro-Kreuziger

Shumi very fishy indeed, look for him to go down soon. Hopefully guys like Kreuziger and Nibali are clean and will make us forget Beltran at Liquigas. And Crashdan didn’t finish up on Levi, “Levi?”, yea Levi, boring as hell but consistently strong, and those short dudes are durable as all get out. And we’ll miss him at the US PRO RR.

by sminer on Jul 31, 2008 7:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Levi

Yeah I was all set to sell Levi but then I looked at what races he’ll probably be in- Vuelta and the Olympics- and he’ll probably do quite well. having Evans out of the Oly TT is a plus for Levi.

by ursula on Jul 31, 2008 8:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kolobnev.

The mad Russion cometh.

by The Team Chef on Jul 31, 2008 10:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh,

and kimchi mentioned his name. Who are we mere mortals to argue?

Another thing we both agree on is Schumi – big steaming pile of shit (well, she was a little nicer in her evaluation). Positive or no, this guy needs to go away. He’s bad for the sport.

by The Team Chef on Jul 31, 2008 10:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kimchi,

I was not trying to be snarky with my comment. I had you mixed up with Guttersnipes and DS kimrogers. Nonetheless, I do agree with your post upstream.

by The Team Chef on Aug 1, 2008 10:40 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no worries mate

um, that is me too, but I didn’t really take it as anything more than the normal ration of ribbing that goes on around here ;) I’m pretty sure this Tour is the sum total of my VDS fame for the rest of my life. and I pity the fool that puts any stock in anything I have to say about particular riders doing well…

by kimchi on Aug 1, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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