You Call This a Chrono?
by Chris... on Aug 11, 2008 3:57 PM EDT
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[As cool as this logo is, it's not exactly ideal time trial form. The head should be lower and the back a bit flatter. But that's nitpicking...]
Nothing about Beijing and the games has been especially ordinary so far, and the Cycling time trial certainly promises to continue that trend. But while the road race was different-but-cool, racing the chrono over the same course might verge over into downright strange.
The skinny: the chrono parcours consists of the very same loop the men's road race circled seven times, and the women's race did twice. For the tme trial, the women will do a single, 23km lap, while the men will do two laps. And that's about all I can tell you, because the UCI is essentially in charge of the race, which explains why I can't find any useful graphic information. Maybe it's for the best: [repetitive, anti-course profile rant omitted].
That said, we've seen enough to say a thing or two... and given how things work here,we were probably going to say a thing or two regardless.
The course goes up, more or less, for 10km, noodles around a bit, then goes down another 10km, with a flat km or so before resuming the climb. And by climb, we generally mean a fairly comfortable grade with a few steep ramps. Regardless of where they place the finish (please make the toll booths the finish line!), riders will be challenged to pump out a rhythm on a course with so little flat spaces. In short, this will be no ordinary chrono.
Time trials tend toward the extremes, either going entirely uphill for the rare and spectacular mountain ITT, or generally sticking to something flat-to-rolling to emphasize power. Often we see course profiles that look like they contain a lot of hills, but the amount of climbing isn't totally significant; what matters (IMHO) is the grade of the climbs, and whether it can shake the power guys out of their rhythm often and drastically enough to swing the advantage to the climbers. My source: I downloaded the Cholet time trial course to my computrainer. Occasional 6% bursts might put me in a bind, but when they're short and infrequent enough, you can easily imagine powerdudes like Cancellara dropping a handful of seconds, getting to the top, and resuming the beating he's adminstering to the field.
The Beijing course is truly different. The mountain guys might want to think of it as their course, given that 45% of it is uphill, but I just don't know if there's enough of a grade to punish the bigger riders. Also, the downhill won't help them, particularly if there's a headwind. What little weight might cost you going up, it's likely to help you the rest of the time quite a bit. Does this flip it back to the power guys? Not necessarily; anyone hoping to get into a rhythm and pound out the wattage has surely gotten real by now. Two other tidbits: last year's demo race went to Cadel Evans, with Mick Rogers second and Vincenzo Nibali third... over an otherwise drab field. The other tidbit: did you see Cancellara bomb the descent Saturday?
To me, this race will feature two groups of riders: the pure power dudes and the all-round, climber/chrono GC types. Pure climbers need not apply (sorry Robert Gesink). Let's see who from the startlist fits these descriptions:
Powerdudes: Cancellara, Zabriskie, Botero, Grabsch, Bruseghin, Clement, Karpets, Larsson.
All-rounders: Leipheimer, Evans, Contador, Rogers, Hesjedal, Schumacher, Nibali, Kirchen, Schleck (LUX has to choose one or the other), Menchov, Lovkvist, Sanchez, Van Den Broeck, Monfort (?).
[Undoubtedly a few names are arguably on the wrong list. I'm open to argument.]
It's tempting to say that the all-rounders have the advantage, since there's no part of the course they can't handle. I would agree with respect to Zabriskie, Karpets, maybe Grabsch... the climbing will probably keep them out of contention. But I refuse to eliminate Cancellara, based on his body of work generally as well as yet another shocking, defiant effort Saturday to beat people he has no business beating. Watching him fly away on the descent certainly raises the question: will this race be won on the downhill?
If so, Sammy Sanchez looks like a double-medal contender. His climbing may be limited, but not by this course, and his descending speaks for itself. Others on the list: Levi, Menchov, Evans and Contador are the big names, a victory by one of these would surprise exactly nobody. Nibali has experience here. Larsson can probably fight his way up the hill well enough. Kirchen, if he's not exhausted, is a serious threat.
Honestly, this is an exceptionally hard race to pick. All I think I can say is that it doesn't play to the great advantage of anyone. Instead, there's an obstacle in there for each type of rider. Which should make for a really, really close contest.
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... toll booths indeed Phil...
... and the racers won’t have to pay any toll going through there.
I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...
by crashdan on Aug 11, 2008 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I ran across this article entitled "Who is Samuel Sanchez"...
... and I absolutely love this quote…
“I try to outsprint the tv motorbike riders on the descents." he told sister magazine Cycle Sport in an interview last year, "and I try to take them out. The more technical the descents, the better.”
Juevos Rancheros… article here.
I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...
by crashdan on Aug 11, 2008 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lovely quote!
I’m really starting to like SamSan actually. I got all emotional the other day watching him crying.
by Albertina on Aug 11, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
And I hope he’s wearing #61 at the Tour next year (well, maybe: will Kohl wear #31 or whatever number he gets given he’ll be on a new team? Assuming he doesn’t go to Silence-Lotto of course).
by Le Comte on Aug 11, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he goes to QS surely Boonen will get to wear the 1 (assuming he behaves himself of course).
But yes, Samu should be team leader. Zubeldia and Astarloza certo on the way down….
by Albertina on Aug 11, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
And I got endless shit for saying this in June…
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on Aug 11, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HZ and MA...
....solid much of the time but allergic to actually winning anything. Samu has the ambition they seem to lack.
by Albertina on Aug 11, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MA
is young. We can be patient. Zubes… not so much.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on Aug 11, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MA's 28 I now see. I thought he was older than that for some reason.
He has quite an old looking face… On Euskies with baby faces, I’m hoping we’ll see more of Igor Anton very soon.
by Albertina on Aug 11, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd put Levi and Cadel in
the powerdudes section, based on how they’ve ridden long TTs before, or at least within the last year or so. Levi killed the final TDF TT last year and Cadel turned in a very respectable final ride this year when he was 5 shades of dead.
I agree with you that they are all arounders when it comes to stage racing, but for this particular race they can bring the pure wattage too. But maybe I’m having a case of the semantics.
Hmmm, I wonder what a downpour would do to this race…..........
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by Drew... on Aug 11, 2008 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A downpour
would make it even more if a lottery
by Gemma on Aug 11, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
very, very, bad things
Watching the womens’ race go all crash-happy, I’d rather not see anyone try to race this course on TT bikeys.
Bike handling will be key. A nice advantage for Cance. Like he needs more advantages.
by gavia on Aug 11, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bike handling
brings us back round to Sammy…
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on Aug 11, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm...
On a time trial bike, I think Cance is better.
by gavia on Aug 11, 2008 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i read somewhere that they're not using their time trial bikes
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Aug 11, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not so impressive in Tour de CA TT stage
also with some ups, downs and change-ups. Of course, it’s not like there’s a novelty factor this time. (Yes, playing devil’s advocate.)
by JFS_PGH on Aug 11, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cadel
can handle a bike with the best of them. he was right on Samu’s tail coming down off the back on Stage 16 in the tour and would have stayed with him had it not been for a motorbike that stopped to rescue Augustyn right in Cadel’s line. i’d put him up there with the other two…
by nicknorco on Aug 11, 2008 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
good point about the power dudes. i’d agree that Levi is maybe more in that league in the TT. Cadel may be too, although he is sort of a hybrid – lighter on the pedals than Cance and the big-time power dudes, so that i find it harder to tell where the power is coming from. that’s one of this things i like about his TT style…
by nicknorco on Aug 11, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch another late night of race watching...
These races until 3:00am are killing me!
Seriously Gavia….watching Cancellera tt to the lead group in the road race…..wow!!...and people were doubting whether this course would be too hilly for him.
.....and who will be wearing lucky #8?
Did anyone notice that the American men 4×100 free relay beat the French team by…..08 seconds….hmmmmmm…
by steph- on Aug 11, 2008 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm on download delay
so i still haven’t watched the men. i have it, but haven’t watched it.
i did watch the womens’ race last night. fab.
but…
cance will be very hard to beat!
by gavia on Aug 11, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how are you managing to download these?
is there some sort of video-on-demand, or is this a pvr-thingy of what you type?
by R Mc on Aug 11, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the link
to the men’s RR—don’t know how Gavia is “downloading” but you can watch that link as live. All 6.5 hours of it, without audio commentary (there is some good text commentary though).
by hughw on Aug 11, 2008 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
G has a magic connection
to some of the Euro usenet binaries servers where folks put up the euro coverage… You need to know some stuff but it’s not all that hard.
by Fred Marx on Aug 11, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you barely scratch the surface...
...you can look inside...the dirty underbelly...of the Web...and find...er, well, anything...
-Greg
by gregm on Aug 11, 2008 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Just make sure your ISP doesn’t limit your monthly bandwidth…ours sent us an oh so polite email asking if we were perhaps running a server or something? On their bandwidth dime???? :-)
by bethie on Aug 11, 2008 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whose dime?
Aren’t they billing you? ;)
Yeah, ISPs vary a lot. Ours lets us run services and lets us use the bandwidth we pay for… but, er, yeah, we do indeed pay for it!!
-Greg
by gregm on Aug 11, 2008 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definetly not Montfort, Schumacher and Hesjedal
First 2 based on their perfomances in yhe road race. Hesjedal is never a big rider heading for a podium.
And point of remark. On the startlist I’v seen it’s Kirchen or A. Schleck and Larsson or Lovkist
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by Frinking on Aug 11, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
only one swede?
Larsson!
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on Aug 11, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, only Larsson
Lövkvist originally had the RR as his main season goal but then all the GC guys on Columbia went and Schlecked themselves so he was called up for the Tour .
Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets
by Jens on Aug 12, 2008 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larsson
is a medal contender, IMHO. Assuming he’s feeling well. And that he’s been training around some coal fired power plants back home.
Also… you might need to describe “schlecked” so we can get the meaning right in the Podium Cafe Lexicon.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on Aug 12, 2008 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...based on a previous thread
me, ZoeRo & someone else figured “Schlecked” was essentially stacking it for no apparent reason. I don’t understand as used above.
by itswells on Aug 12, 2008 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larsson definately a medal contender
Full focus on this day since the Giro. The downhill is the unknown factor, I don’t know how well he will do there. The climb is more or less mede for his abilities. As for schlecked I meant “crashed themselves out of contention” but now that I think of it that only applies to Linus, Rogers got sick.
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by Jens on Aug 12, 2008 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Crashed themselves out of contention"
seems like a better definition.
by itswells on Aug 12, 2008 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schlecked
Nice. A more narrow word than doodsmak, which applies to guys like Angel Gomez who crash themselves out of 50th place.
BTW, I’ve already named my VDS team for next year: Angel Gomez. And most assuredly he will be on the squad. I intend to pick all of the unluckiest racers around, on the theory that whoever makes the team is cursed, so I might as well spit in the cycling gods’ eye while I’m at it.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on Aug 12, 2008 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you and Drew are going to have the same team then?
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on Aug 12, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can anyone dig up start times for the riders?
there is no way I can stay up until 3AM watching a TT online with no commentary. I’ll be out within 20 minutes.
I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...
by crashdan on Aug 11, 2008 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This line caught my eye
Cancellara…his body of work
Anyone else catch that one? Nice pun there Chris.
by ZoeRochelle on Aug 11, 2008 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TT Bikes...
With the climbing circle with descents, would they use TT bikes or some version of it with regular wheels? If the weather is bad, do they stick to road bikes?
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on Aug 11, 2008 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There was an article
years ago at the long-departed Bike.com where one of the Willetts brothers calculated the trade-off between weight and aero for the redlands prologue: shorter result: odds are you’ll see a lot of aero wheels (the rear disk might be optional though . . .).
Was it here that I found the link to the article describing where the MIT team time trial team had determined that an aero helmet was worth way more watts than an aero wheel set?
by R Mc on Aug 11, 2008 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
explaining the Devolder pot-on-head uphill TT bizarreness a couple months back????
by JFS_PGH on Aug 11, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunno if it was here but
I think that article popped up in Bicycling Magazine last summer. They also calculated the drag of gloves vs no gloves, things of that nature. Excellent article.
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by Drew... on Aug 12, 2008 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am pretty hopeful
that this course will make an exciting race.
Tollbooth finish? how about a tollboth start? – à la Churchhill Downs;
by cyclingchallenge on Aug 11, 2008 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Or go for the greyhound style
with a little electric rabbit for them to chase
by Monty. on Aug 12, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zabriskie -
With having little idea of his form from the Giro wreck, I’m not counting him out for this. He can climb when he needs to and this is his focused event to get himself back from the back. I think he’s going to give the favorites a run for the medals and I’m hoping it’s gold. These are hopes and well wishes for Dave as I haven’t heard enough about his form and the RR the other night didn’t tell me enough other than I think his times at the front were testing things for the TT.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on Aug 11, 2008 5:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Men's Time Trial is Wednesday 10:30 PM PDT
Right?
I got a little nervous thinking it might be tonight considering this post.
by ZoeRochelle on Aug 11, 2008 5:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NO!!
Wednesday in Beijing; it’s tomorrow night to us.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on Aug 11, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
time trial
women
tues, 12 aug, 11:30pm edt us
men
wed, 13 aug, 1.05am edt us
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by umwolverine on Aug 11, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
same day, run in succession, and straddling our midnight.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on Aug 11, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In other words
it’s a good thing she asked
by Le Comte on Aug 11, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Def
IMHO this is by far the biggest issue with these olympics. I call it carry-the-one syndrome. Nobody ever knows what the hell I’m talking about though.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on Aug 11, 2008 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should do a flow chart to better illustrate this... :-P
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on Aug 11, 2008 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so, for the other time zones
women
tues, 12 aug, 10.30pm cdt us
tues, 12 aug, 9.30pm mdt us
tues, 12 aug, 8.30pm pdt us
men
wed, 13 aug, 12.05am cdt us
tues, 12 aug, 11.05pm mdt us
tues, 12 aug, 10.05pm pdt us
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by umwolverine on Aug 11, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wed 7:05 am CET
Central European Time
by cyclingchallenge on Aug 11, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
apologies....
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by umwolverine on Aug 11, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I need to be up at midnight to watch (central)?
Thanks umw !
And do we have any idea how long this is going to go? Are there 2 minutes between riders?
Can I plan on any sleep after it? Or is this a get a nap and pray for strong coffee in the AM.
My god, my Wednesday productivity just went into the toilet. Hope the bosses weren’t expecting much.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on Aug 11, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UCI site has a time schedule of sorts
not actual start times with racer names, but more detail about time gaps and estimated finish times, etc… here (page 3). Trying to copy the basic info here:
CLM Women’s Elite
1 lap of 23.5 Km Start of first competitor 11 h 30
Arrival of last competitor 12 h 50
Time calculated at an average of 44 Km/h for 25 competitors. Starts at intervals of 2’.
CLM Men’s Elite
2 laps of 23.5 Km Start of first competitor 13 h 30
Arrival of last competitor 16 h 48
Time calculated at a high average of 47 Km/h and a low average of 42 Km/h for 40 competitors, in 3 waves
the 3 waves (summarized) – 14 riders starting from 13h30 to 13h49’30”, 13 riders starting from 14h30 to 14h48, 13 riders starting from 15h30 to 15h48 (and in case anyone else was like me and had to ask, why the men in waves and not the women? – because they’re doing 2 laps!)
by guidemd on Aug 11, 2008 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but, where's the start order?
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by umwolverine on Aug 12, 2008 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't understand why vande velde isn't riding the tt
as opposed to zabriskie
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by umwolverine on Aug 11, 2008 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Zabriskie
is the US champ, so he qualifies.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on Aug 11, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought the only qualifier was levi
and the rest were selected?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Aug 11, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
correct, the only automatic qualifier was Leipheimer
all the others were discretionary picks
by lyne on Aug 11, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that a US thing
I thought that there was no way riders could qualify for themselves. You just got a place for the team which they might give to you if they felt kind.
by Monty. on Aug 12, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LL Sanchez is Spain's TT champ....
...yet Spain has Contador and Samu Sanchez riding.
Right with ya Wolverine….Zabriskie will not do much of anything. I think Vande Velde would handle this TT course much better than Zabriskie….pity he is not riding.
by steph- on Aug 11, 2008 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
choose the rider that suits the course.....
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by umwolverine on Aug 11, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Dave's back wasn't ready, C would've been doing the TT.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on Aug 11, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you guys think would Hincapie fare if he had the chance?
He’s an awfully good TTer and he has the strength. Kind of a moot point but…
by ZoeRochelle on Aug 11, 2008 5:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Respectable
but I don’t see him medaling.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on Aug 11, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Canc, Levi, Cattle
I figure those three, in no particular order, have the best shot.
The work Cancellara did in the tour shows what he is capable of. I think he may have the best opportunity of all three. But having watched Levi at the Toc, I can’t count him out.
by johnw on Aug 11, 2008 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
his ride in the penultimate stage of the TdF last year. Plus, I assume he’s relatively fresh from not having ridden the TdF this year. I think you’ve got to like his chances…
by Le Comte on Aug 11, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both Mick Rogers and Fab Cancellara
showed that they can go over this circuit as fast as anyone, I’d have to say both are favored, with a bow to Tony Montana.
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by Koppenberg on Aug 11, 2008 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That last time we all picked Tony
We all collectively tied as losers. Ha! Just sayin’.
But even with that, I think is a true favorite here. I’m not ready to count out Zabriskie for a medal yet. I think (if the form is there, which sadly a big unknown) he medals, maybe not gold but a medal.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on Aug 11, 2008 6:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cancellara, Contador, Schumacher; in no particular order
Cancellara: To quote Chris, he showed “his body of work” during the road race.
Schumacher: won two TT during the TdF, beating Cancellara in the process. He also showed that he can stay with the climbers on moderate climbs.
Contador: winning two tours means you have know how to TT and this course fits him very well. He’s rested. Intangibles: he’s part of the (emotional) Armada Espanola and he’ll be riding a cool bike ;) .
by Chainring on Aug 11, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
weather might be an issue,
they predict rain for tomorrow….
by Bruce Suomi on Aug 12, 2008 3:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Combine rain with those off camber corners riding in aero positions and . . .
. . . . there will surely be more then a few who will go down.
by Ryan_Liles on Aug 12, 2008 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone riding earlier (before rain) could gain ridiculous advantage.
With the favorites riding last that would be a sham(e). I hope the weather stays consistent for everyone.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. - G. Marx
by flying dog on Aug 12, 2008 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the startlist with time to start..
http://www.prikpagina.nl/read.php?f=173&i=801061&t=801000
Not official but it looks reliable
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by Frinking on Aug 12, 2008 4:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So what time's that in the UK?
6.30?
by Albertina on Aug 12, 2008 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, 6.30am london time
time zone converter link to bookmark
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by umwolverine on Aug 12, 2008 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!
Didn’t want to get it wrong. Unfortunately I have to leave for work at 8.25 so will miss an hour :-(
by Albertina on Aug 12, 2008 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeeeeeees!
I’ve just wangled the morning off work! How clever am I?!
by Albertina on Aug 12, 2008 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does it involve surgery?
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on Aug 12, 2008 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you want to be patriotic
the women kick off at half four.
by Monty. on Aug 12, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1.5 mins btwn riders?
wonder how many riders will be passed….
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Aug 12, 2008 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
it’s kind of an unusual event: no punters. We’re accustomed to time trials that combine aces with guys who look like they’d rather be dead.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on Aug 12, 2008 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
women
11:30:00 25 Alexandra Wrubleski CAN
11:32:00 24 Lang Meng CHN
11:34:00 23 Natalia Boyarskaya RUS
11:36:00 22 Edita Pucinskaite LTU
11:38:00 21 Emma Pooley GBR
11:40:00 20 Maryline Salvetat FRA
11:42:00 19 Emma Johansson SWE
11:44:00 18 Min Gao CHN
11:46:00 17 Karin Thurig SUI
11:48:00 16 Marianne Vos NED
11:50:00 15 Zulfiya Zabirova KAZ
11:52:00 14 Linda Serup DEN
11:54:00 13 Judith Arndt GER
11:56:00 12 Tatiana Guderzo ITA
11:58:00 11 Jeannie Longo-Ciprelli FRA
12:00:00 10 Mirjam Melchers-Vanpoppel NED
12:02:00 9 Priska Doppmann SUI
12:04:00 8 Oenone Wood AUS
12:06:00 7 Marta Vilajosana ESP
12:08:00 6 Kristin Armstrong USA
12:10:00 5 Susanne Ljungskog SWE
12:12:00 4 Christiane Soeder AUT
12:14:00 3 Nicole Cooke GBR
12:16:00 2 Christine Thorburn USA
12:18:00 1 Hanka Kupfernagel GER
by lucybears on Aug 12, 2008 7:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
fab
now maybe i write a little preview thingy.
thanks for the startlist, for sure.
by gavia on Aug 12, 2008 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Officially
yay!
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on Aug 12, 2008 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, you funny
i’ll get it going in a bit.
i need to go write a friendly, diplomatic, politely threatening letter to my landlord. ha!
by gavia on Aug 12, 2008 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Use my template
Dear Assface,
Is it too much to ask that their be more than 15’ of hot water a day? Don’t make me come over there and stomp you.
Love,
Gavia
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."
by Drew... on Aug 12, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Yes, that would work beautifully. I was really trying for non-confrontational, however ;-)
by gavia on Aug 12, 2008 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's confrontational? Around here
we call that ‘diplomacy’.
I also used the wrong ‘there’. Dope.
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."
by Drew... on Aug 12, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oooo landlords!
What a lovely breed….
by Albertina on Aug 12, 2008 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was one once
for a couple years we had a tenant. There’s a strange, irresistible urge that comes with receiving money for nothing, that just makes you want to cut off hot water arbitrarily from time to time.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on Aug 12, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How were the start times assigned?
Random assignment? Tony goes last because he’s the current World Champion?
by johnw on Aug 12, 2008 9:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Must be some kind of ranking
since almost all the big guns go last.
Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets
by Jens on Aug 12, 2008 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe they're random
Cancellara, Schumacher, Evans, etc., (ie, all the favorites for this discipline) are in the last 10 or so riders.
But I don’t know how they were assigned…
by Le Comte on Aug 12, 2008 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UCI does it
which means the methodology is an indecipherable concoction of good sense and random bullshit.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on Aug 12, 2008 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Question of Shumacher
Winner?
Alien?
Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets
by Jens on Aug 12, 2008 10:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What choice do I have?
It is as if you have grabbed me by the base of my snarglies.
I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...
by crashdan on Aug 12, 2008 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beijing Eastern Central Mountain Pacific Wave 1
13:30:00 1:30:00 12:30:00 11:30:00 10:30:00 Matías Medici (Argentina)
13:31:30 1:31:30 12:31:30 11:31:30 10:31:30 Fumiyuki Beppu (Japón)
13:33:00 1:33:00 12:33:00 11:33:00 10:33:00 Hossein Askari (Irán)
13:34:30 1:34:30 12:34:30 11:34:30 10:34:30 Svein Tft (Canadá)
13:36:00 1:36:00 12:36:00 11:36:00 10:36:00 Martin Kvasina (Croacia)
13:37:30 1:37:30 12:37:30 11:37:30 10:37:30 David George (Sudáfrica)
13:39:00 1:39:00 12:39:00 11:39:00 10:39:00 Vasil Kiryenka (Bielorrusia)
13:40:30 1:40:30 12:40:30 11:40:30 10:40:30 Matej Jurco (Eslovaquia)
13:42:00 1:42:00 12:42:00 11:42:00 10:42:00 Denys Kostyuk (Ucrania)
13:43:30 1:43:30 12:43:30 11:43:30 10:43:30 Stephen Cummings (Gran Bretaña)
13:45:00 1:45:00 12:45:00 11:45:00 10:45:00 Brian Vandborg (Dinamara)
13:46:30 1:46:30 12:46:30 11:46:30 10:46:30 Raivis Belohvosciks (Letonia)
13:48:00 1:48:00 12:48:00 11:48:00 10:48:00 Robert Gesink (Holanda)
Beijing Eastern Central Mountain Pacific Wave 2
14:30:00 2:30:00 1:30:00 12:30:00 11:30:00 Simon Spilak (Eslovenia)
14:31:30 2:31:30 1:31:30 12:31:30 11:31:30 Rein Taaramae (Estonia)
14:33:00 2:33:00 1:33:00 12:33:00 11:33:00 Andriy Grivko (Ucrania)
14:34:30 2:34:30 1:34:30 12:34:30 11:34:30 Ryder Hesjedal (Canadá)
14:36:00 2:36:00 1:36:00 12:36:00 11:36:00 Andrey Mizurov (Kazajistán)
14:37:30 2:37:30 1:37:30 12:37:30 11:37:30 Przemyslaw Niemec (Polonia)
14:39:00 2:39:00 1:39:00 12:39:00 11:39:00 Maxime Monfort (Cofidis)
14:40:30 2:40:30 1:40:30 12:40:30 11:40:30 Vincenzo Nibali (Italia)
14:42:00 2:42:00 1:42:00 12:42:00 11:42:00 David Zabriskie (Estados Unidos)
14:43:30 2:43:30 1:43:30 12:43:30 11:43:30 Laszlo Bodrogi (Hungría)
14:45:00 2:45:00 1:45:00 12:45:00 11:45:00 Chris Sorensen (Dinamarca)
14:46:30 2:46:30 1:46:30 12:46:30 11:46:30 Bert Grabsch (Alemania)
14:48:00 2:48:00 1:48:00 12:48:00 11:48:00 Denis Menchov (Rusia)
Beijing Eastern Central Mountain Pacific Wave 3
15:30:00 3:30:00 2:30:00 1:30:00 12:30:00 Samuel Sánchez (España)
15:31:30 3:31:30 2:31:30 1:31:30 12:31:30 Santiago Botero (Colombia)
15:33:00 3:33:00 2:33:00 1:33:00 12:33:00 Marzio Bruseghin (Italia)
15:34:30 3:34:30 2:34:30 1:34:30 12:34:30 Michael Rogers (Australia)
15:36:00 3:36:00 2:36:00 1:36:00 12:36:00 Vladimir Karpets (Rusia)
15:37:30 3:37:30 2:37:30 1:37:30 12:37:30 Kim Kirchen (Luxemburgo)
15:39:00 3:39:00 2:39:00 1:39:00 12:39:00 Gustav Larsson (Suecia)
15:40:30 3:40:30 2:40:30 1:40:30 12:40:30 Levi Leipheimer (Estados Unidos)
15:42:00 3:42:00 2:42:00 1:42:00 12:42:00 Stef Clement (Holanda)
15:43:30 3:43:30 2:43:30 1:43:30 12:43:30 Alberto Contador (España)
15:45:00 3:45:00 2:45:00 1:45:00 12:45:00 Cadel Evans (Australia)
15:46:30 3:46:30 2:46:30 1:46:30 12:46:30 Stefan Schumacher (Alemania)
15:48:00 3:48:00 2:48:00 1:48:00 12:48:00 Fabian Cancellara (Suiza)
"...The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do..." Jens!
by Clydesdale on Aug 12, 2008 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nicely done...
... and now I know that I won’t be around until 12:30…
I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...
by crashdan on Aug 12, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perfect!
I know I won’t be home till about midnight Pacific time.
Oh, got to go, I’m at a conference and the next talk is starting!
by Veloki on Aug 12, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Veloki
Had you only said “I’m the next speaker” this would have been comment of the month. Maybe even the year.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on Aug 12, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha. Not this year. Have in the past though.
No responsibilities this time – nice!
by Veloki on Aug 13, 2008 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Maxime Monfort is representing the tiny republic of Cofidis!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. - G. Marx
by flying dog on Aug 12, 2008 7:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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