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Has anyone noticed that the war is over?!?!

It's coming out in dribs and drabs: the traditional governing body, the UCI, has apparently -- a word I can't stress enough -- reached an accord with the Amaury Sports Organization on the structure of Cycling's top races. Details were reported earlier here by Nickel17 on the new World Calendar, which will add the Grand Tours and other affiliated races back into the Pro Tour. But it's not just a race series; starting in 2011, the Grand Tours will accept either 17 or 18 teams that the UCI ships over.

The latter point was ostensibly the hard part: determining which and how many teams get Tour or Giro or Vuelta invites was a huge bone of contention all along. Reality, however, had settled this issue in the race organizers' favor already. Of the 20 Pro Tour teams, Discovery/Postal and Phonak no longer exist; Unibet and Barloworld came and went without ever being fully accepted; and Gerolsteiner and Credit Agricole are on the chopping block. Undoubtedly the UCI could keep promoting existing continental teams or adopting new ones (Garmin? the Russians?), but the original Gang of Twenty is long gone. And the UCI long since lost the ability to cloak new teams with the same top-club legitimacy.

So that's settled. Remaining issues include who handles doping controls, and therefore what working structure and financial arrangements will be required. Given the contentious nature of the parties, that's more than enough to rekindle world war III. But if the UCI, ASO, RCS (Giro) and Unipublic (Vuelta) are as sick of the horrible infighting as the riders and fans are, then the potential for reconciliation may be real.

I'm very tempted to lash out at all parties for taking so long: I mean, how hard would it have been for the UCI to admit a year ago that they couldn't send 20 teams to the Grand Tours? Everyone knew it by then. But that's a single issue, and the real roadblocks surely ran deeper than the naked eye could see. Perhaps a better way to view the problem is through the doping arguments: ASO simply didn't trust the UCI to competently run the controls, on which the race's legitimacy hinged. Maybe it was necessary for them to smack around McQuaid and the UCI for two years to force changes in the latter. Maybe it was about the UCI coming to terms (with or without ASO's shrieking) with the ground-shift in the sport, from endless scandal toward... something else. The right people, in the right structure could surely have come up with a strategic plan sooner, but in the bifurcated power structure of top-level cycling, two groups weren't going to have an easy time getting together, in trust and cooperation, to handle such complex and sensitive issues.

Anyway, I'm bloviating now. What's more remarkable is the fact that the end of the war, of two years of constant, high-volume recriminations, could melt away so subtly that VeloNews still hasn't written about it. Maybe the problem is stunned disbelief.

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Here's a question about the Pro Tour teams and the Grand Tours

How many Pro Tour teams are there?

We read earlier this summer how teams were opting out of the Pro Tour and eventually all teams said they were opting out. Now I understand that stance was just a step along in the process, yes. But it seemed like a couple of those teams really were opting out of the financial commitment. Cofidis sure sounded like they were dropping their budget and it seemed like a few others were too.

So I guess I’m wondering what exactly a Pro Tour team is these days and what are the benefits. Auto guarantee into the Grand Tours? Does this also mean an automatic guarantee to the ASO and RCS races?

by ursula on Aug 20, 2008 12:01 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oohh

interesting question, eluded my brain last night. Again with the Pro Tour fees… I wonder if they’ll happen now? At least this time the UCI can honestly sell entry to the Tour. In 2011.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Aug 20, 2008 6:48 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wasn't money at the core of the problem?

    Who gets the money? Did the ASO demonstrate to the UCI that their races are the show and therefore they should get the money or does the UCI get a fair shake for providing the necessary year round testing?

  And what will stop the ASO from waiting until the last minute to change the rules?

  Will there ever be peace in the mid-east?

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. - G. Marx

by flying dog on Aug 20, 2008 6:57 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Money

this is the part I never understood. Either they didn’t talk about it to the media very much, or I missed it somehow. I could never grasp the details. Still, I think the UCI must surely be cowed enough to not try shaking down ASO. There is a part of this I do get, which is that the UCI will want $$ to run the doping controls. Hopefully they’ll isolate that piece of the deal and contain the squabbling.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Aug 20, 2008 8:26 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think it is over; it seems more of the same . . .

 . . . where the UCI tries to use some cronyism in order to sweep their shortcomings away from the public eye, and bolster their validity.

What I see is the UCI, who was quickly getting marginalized desperately, trying to reposition itself by making very slight concessions in a hope to maintain legitimacy.

The press release, which was done in Bejing and not in conjunction with any of the parties who have raised their concerns. The agreement also came about through the help of Jacques Rogge and Jean-Claude Killy whom was able to connect McQuaid with some people at the Editions Philippe Amaury who own the ASO, but not a single person from the ASO, the RCS, or Unipublic seem to have been involved in this agreement.

When asked about what the McQuaid boldly stated “EPA owns ASO and the Société du Tour de France, so they will act under the instruction of their superiors.” – CN
Yet, the UCI saw no reason to even acknowledge the RCS, or Unipublic.

Then we have the French Cycling Federation "This will allow the complete reintegration of the French Cycling Federation within the auspices of the UCI."
That’s real nice of of the UCI, and I’m sure those over at the FCF are so relieved now too.
So much so, they must be still speechless at this very moment.

Though I would like it to be, I’m pretty sure this is far from over.

by Ryan_Liles on Aug 20, 2008 7:31 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree with Ryan_Liles

As far as I see one of the parties – UCI made a press release. I haven’t seen the press conference with all the parties saying we are in agreement and this is the way forward. In this even more than PED’s I am taking a Missouri attitude. Show me the results. I’ll believe this about Paris-Roubaix time, I guess, maybe.

by Markk on Aug 20, 2008 10:07 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

Nothing yet on the English websites from anyone other than the UCI. Hard to have an agreement with just one side.

by Rushfan on Aug 20, 2008 11:35 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And doping?

What if in the future someone dopes (yeah I know- that will never ever happen) and ASO (or RCS and Unipublic) decides that the Pro Tour team needs to be banned for a year from its events? I presume ASO won’t ever give up that right so I’d love to see some sort of mechanism in place to show how that might happen if there is some sort of real agreement.

by ursula on Aug 20, 2008 10:40 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a little off-topic

Tour of Portugal,
one more bunch sprint:

1º Candido Barbosa (Benfica) 100th victory in his career
2º Francisco Pacheco (Barbot-Siper)
3º Martin Garrido (Palmeiras Resort Tavira)

7º Tyler Farrar

by semprenaroda on Aug 20, 2008 12:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

heh, heh

he said bifurcate.

by gavia on Aug 21, 2008 8:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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