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Preview: USA Cycling Pro Championship

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Sandwiched between three starting and three finishing circuits through an extended downtown area, are four large laps featuring the 1978 ft climb up Paris Mountain north of town.  Shortened slightly from its inaugural running in 2006, this year's course remains spectator friendly and short enough to hold the casual cycling fan's attention and provide some high powered fireworks.  PDF with profile of the course here.

The time trial goes off on Saturday, 30 August, the road race on Sunday.

UPDATED START LIST (from VN) HERE

More below the fold (I've always wanted to type that).

Star-divide

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Okay, so it's really more my opinion than a preview but, whatever. 

I realize the U.S. Domestic scene has more talent these days, and I know we all have favorite riders who are friendly and personable BUT, this is:

  1. a hard-man's course - despite only one significant climb (4 times), the rest of the course provides no place for rest.  The last two years there were only, like, 30 finishers.  It favors Euro-seasoned riders.
  2. a chance for a Euro based U.S. Pro to take the Stars & Stripes Jersey (and gloves and helmet and lunch box, etc) to Europe and show it off.  That motivation can't be underestimated.
  3. a race not always won by the rider who's on the best form.  In 2006, the first time in Greenville, Levi Leipheimer was the strongest rider in that race.  I was there.  I saw it.  He clearly dominated the entire field single-handedly.  But, given the circumstances (a. soon to join Discovery; b. knowledge that George will guide him to a TdF podium place in 2007 and c. U.S. Pro Champs. in Hincapie's hometown?), there was no way anybody but Hincapie was going to win that race.  What am I saying?  LL tanked it for George...that's what I'm saying.  I've wanted to get that off my chest for 2 years now.

I'd like to believe that a little domestic guy will reach into his 6 demon bag and become invincible enough to pull out a win, but I'd be wasting my time (and yours).

But, here's my quick breakdown of the "Riders To Watch" according to the Greenville Hospital System USA Cycling Pro Champs. Website:

HINCAPIE - Could win it if he wanted to.  But, my hunch is he'll work for his young teammate and fellow Greenvillian, Craig Lewis.  This year, Lewis hasn't really done much of anything, but it's a hunch, and if it comes true, you heard it here first.  However, if GH ends up in a break without CVV, he may just pimp slap his breakaway companions and win it just cuz he can.

VANDE VELDE - This is the year he wins the championship.  You know how I know?  Conditions are perfect. 

1. He's got hard-man experience, definite euro-seasoned pro. 

2. He's got the team.  The roster proclaimed on the G-C website is stizzacked.  Even if Danny Pate is spent from winning the TT the previous day (that's my TT preview, BTW); Will, Cozza & Caldwell are currently "on form" and should make the race hard enough to neutralize any fall guys.  Plus, I think the GarMen genuinely want him to win. 

3. Race confidence, I hope.  Am I the only one not totally convinced that CVV has turned THE corner on his race confidence?  Don't be mad at me Nikki, but IMHO, he needs to throw down a big sacked attack and don't look back.  His attacks at the TdF were only in the last few K's and when someone else was already up the road.  In Beijing, I kinda noticed him looking around waiting for someone else to make a move (before I fell asleep, drooling in my chair).  It's my sincere hope, that when he sees his teammates turning themselves inside out, he'll do what we all know he can and bring it home.  CVV, if you have to shoot, shoot.  Don't talk.

ZABRISKIE - I'm not sure of his form, but he'll hang around and try to soften the field before the rest of the GarMen take over.  Then he'll peel off, head for Hincapie's house and watch Spaceballs.

RODRIGUEZ - I can't find Rock's proposed roster, but it doesn't matter.  His team is not as strong as G-C (whose is?).  If G-C heat this race up like we all know they can, he'll be a victim of his own "race-of-attrition" tactics during which he'll be attrited.  However, last year, I think he finished in the top 10, AND he just did well somewhere (?), so if "they" haven't dispensed with him by the time the field starts the 3 finishing circuits, he could be dangerous.  (Whoa!  I just had the thought of the Stars & Stripes kit possibilities with Rock Racing).

HAMILTON - He won the Tour of Qinghai Lake, and he may be on form here, but that is insignificant when compared to the power of Argyle.

LEWIS - Now this is interesting.  In order to support my "Helped by Hincapie" theory, Craig Lewis has to get into the right situation.  I recall the support he showed at the ToG, so we know he can hammer.  If he gets into a long breakaway with anybody not named Frischkorn, he may have a serious chance.  Plus, will he be heading to Europe for more racing next year?  Team Columbia likes them some national champs. jerseys.

SHIRLEY - Meh.  I don't pretend to know too much about him, but I think he got lucky last year.  Maybe when half his teammates drop and start cheering for him through the feed zone, he'll pull out something special.

KING - The Bissell boys seem to be able to come to the front and turn the screws on the field.  I'd say he has a better than average chance if his team can handle the G-C onslaught.

Other mentionables (in 5 words or less):

WHERRY - Past his prime.

DANIELSON - Knows his role.

FREIDMAN/PATE/FRISCHKORN/CALDWELL/COZZA - Long break that sticks.

THE BOTTOM LINE:  For the first time since "U.S. rider only" policy was installed, a Euro-based team will bring a beefy squad with at least 2 ½ legitimate threats.  It's obvious that this is Garmin-Chipotle's race to lose.

I'll be there, with #1 son in tow, representing the Mid-Atlantic bureau of PdC's East Coast Division and will submit an updated report, with photos, in a time-late and irrelevant manner.  I encourage anyone within 10 hours driving distance (like me) to make it out.  The course is VERY conducive to photos and spectating.  After watching the opening loops, we'll dash up to Paris Mtn., catch climbs 2 and 3 (and 4 if there's no breakaway yet), zip back downtown, watch a lap or two through the feed then head to the Finish (and then over to the Mavic booth to score some swag).  I've also borrowed a buddy's radio scanner so's I can do some eavesdropping on team radios and whatnot.

FINAL USELESS TIDBIT:  Those of you with children may be familiar with the bedtime story Goodnight Moon by Margaret Wise Brown which depicts a small mouse in every illustration throughout the book.  Well, in downtown Greenville, visitors are invited to search for nine bronze mice, which can be found in various locations beginning at the fountain in front of the Hyatt Regency Hotel along the nine blocks that make up Main Street between the Hyatt and the Westin Poinsett Hotel.

UPDATE:  Thanks Gavia.

 

 

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Great write up

drop me an email (in profile)

by Sui Juris on Aug 27, 2008 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

it would rock if I were. But sadly, I am not.

I am too busy getting ready for next week’s convention!

(kidding)

by Sui Juris on Aug 28, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha!

bummer. but i’m sure itswells will hook us up all good :-)

by Jen See on Aug 28, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Opinion

Is our stock-in-trade. Dry previews can be had elsewhere. Nice job, especially the pivot from a convincing argument re. VandeVelde straight into Spaceballs. I’d love to see the Gar-Men pwn the race.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 27, 2008 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

agreed, i liked that bit. it was all serious there for a sec. then, it wasn’t.

awesome preview itswells! yay!

by Jen See on Aug 28, 2008 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm so amped up for this race now,

I don’t even know what I’m going to do with myself… I’ll have to ride it off. CVV has it, hopefully in the big attack.

by brunopitton on Aug 27, 2008 11:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Wish I was going, it is a great race to spectate

and the folks on the mountain feed you and provide drinks too, too many choices last year.

by lyne on Aug 27, 2008 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

itswells... I will never be mad with others opinions - for the most part... tee hee :-)

And I agree – C needs to give it some hell and make us proud – well me even prouder. Ha!
I actually am going out (and this time I don’t even have to go very far to say it like I did with my Tour cheers for him) and putting C on the top podium of both. Yep – on both the TT and RR.

Pate and DZ haven’t had to challenge him for the National TT before and C kicks ass in the TT. With a solid team and (my opinion of course) awesome guys helping on the Road, it isn’t just Garmin’s weekend to lose, but more precise, C’s to lose. I say he’s on top at the end of both days. He’s doing really well and training for this. I love Pate and want him to have a great weekend but C finishes in front of him in TT’s. I also love Dave but I am not so sure his back is 100% and it could be a factor. With not knowing exactly how he’s feeling my prediction for the TT currently is C, Pate, followed up by Tom Zirbel who has been kickin’ some nice butt in TT’s here lately.

The road has me a little more uncertain as there are always surprises that can happen but with the team Garmin has racing it, I’m loving C winning. I am pretty sure he wants it this weekend so I hope those there watching fill us in and share pics!!!

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Aug 27, 2008 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Also - HUGE CHEERS

for Timmy riding this weekend in the TT. I am so happy he’s riding it and feels pretty good right now. That crash earlier this year was awful so I love that he feels up to it and will be there with the team riding!!!

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Aug 27, 2008 11:38 PM EDT reply actions  

On the Subject Of Rock...

Both Hamilton and Rodriguez finished in the top 10 last year – riding with absolutely no support from any teammates. Now they’re on the same squad.

Also, Rodriguez didn’t race the US Criterium Championships. That was Rahsaan Bahati (who won it, by the way.)

Also, Rock has an incredible page previewing their roster for the championships.

by Chief Commissaire on Aug 27, 2008 11:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the back up.

I know Bahati won the U.S. Crits. but I’ve got Freddie pictured in my head on the podium somewhere recently…(it’ll come to me).
RE: Last year’s top 10 – that’s some seasoned pro’s for you. That’s why Garmin-Chipotle have to make it hard from the gun. Tyler’s not afraid to take a long breakaway flyer. And if Freddie is still hanging around when they hit the finishing circuits…then G-C didn’t do their job.

by swells on Aug 28, 2008 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was on the podium at Elk Grove.

I think he was in a pic or two I posted.

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Aug 28, 2008 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was it...

Elk Grove? Downers Grove? Must’ve got my groves confused.

by swells on Aug 28, 2008 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Man,

for the great preview. But Craig Lewis, really? I guess I’m ignorant, but I’ve never heard of the boy. Would Columbia (he is a Team Columbia rider, huh?) want Craig Lewis finishing in eighty-ninth position with a USA nat champ jersey on his back? Though the jersey is a stylistic nightmare (why is that, anyway?), I hate to see it languishing so far back that the feeding crews have already left the time zone by the time the SandS goes by . Oh well, let’s hope CVV lives up to our expectations.

by Hammerhed on Aug 28, 2008 6:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah that jersey is just unbearably gaudy. How about just a plain blue jersey, with 2 red horizontal stripes around the chest, between the stripes a band of blue with white stars at regular intervals. That would be pretty classy in my opinion.

Or they could take a completely different angle, have one of those cheesy image-based jerseys, in this case a larger-than-life image of Zabriskie’s smiling mustachioed face.

by plinytheelder on Aug 28, 2008 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

On Lewis

Craig Lewis lives near George north of Greenville. The Paris climb is something many around Greenville use as a litmus for fitness. That and Caeser’s Head. I don’t think Craig will be in the contention, but he’ll definitely be a worker bee. I see him more working to get George in better placement. As far as CVV goes I’m not sure the plan will be for CVV to don the US Pro jersey especially since Danny Pate has finished in the top five the last two years.

by spokejunky on Aug 28, 2008 8:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Great write up for 4 reasons:

1) points well argued
2) your Levi confessional
3) Big Trouble reference
4) Eli Wallach link

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Aug 28, 2008 9:25 AM EDT reply actions  

There are two kinds of spurs, my friend:

those that come in by the door and those that come in by the window.

by swells on Aug 28, 2008 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Remember brother, in our village there were two only ways out:

One either became a cyclist or a priest.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Aug 28, 2008 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

BLONDE!!! YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE???!

I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...

by crashdan on Aug 28, 2008 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

"See you soon id....id....ids...."

“Idiots. It’s for you”

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Aug 28, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are two kinds of men in this world

Those who hold the gun, and those who dig. So dig.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Aug 28, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

True Story... When I was 19 I had a pet rat...

… I named him Tuco.

I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...

by crashdan on Aug 28, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you sure

we didn’t grow up together?

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Aug 28, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure you two should be allowed to meet

at our party in Feb. This could be scary.

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Aug 28, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

My hands down, all time, favorite insult from any movie ever...
My mother was a pure woman, from a noble family… and at least I know who my father is, you pig eating son-of-a-whore

- Ahmed Ibn Fahdlan The 13th Warrior

Minute 3:30 here (although worth watching from the beginning)

I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...

by crashdan on Aug 28, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dangerous to post good movie clips

as they tend to be a really good distraction at work…. must resist… watching the… whole thing.

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Aug 28, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like your sword...

when you die, can I give it to my daugher?

by swells on Aug 28, 2008 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice Preview Itswella

Will you be chalking podium Cafe on the road?

by roadside on Aug 28, 2008 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Ya know what? I was thinking about that...

I’ll be down there early Saturday evening and probably drive the course then and again Sunday morning and if I see some markings already I’ll go get some sidewalk chalk and do it up. But, Paris Mtn. has some nice homes (IIRC), and I’d hate to draw negative attention if “Podium Cafe” is the only thing on the road.

by swells on Aug 28, 2008 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heh

I’m thinking it will not be well received.

by Sui Juris on Aug 28, 2008 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tell the cops

to HTFU

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 28, 2008 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks. Both are OUTSTANDING ideas.

Is “HTFU” a valid courtroom argument?

by swells on Aug 28, 2008 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

possibly

Not sure on its effectiveness as a street argument, though.

by Sui Juris on Aug 28, 2008 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh it works

 on the street. As long as you’re prepared to HTFU even more.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 28, 2008 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

context counts

If it’s just any old street, I’m with you. If it’s a street with the police, well, I’ll let you play GTA in real life. :)

by Sui Juris on Aug 28, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

First chalk some local faves

if no one complains, chalk us a PC. Spray chalk is faster and clearer, but can be mistaken for spray paint, and doesn’t wash off as fast as you might think.

by JFS_PGH on Aug 29, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I thought about adding Louder in there.

And the BMC boys seem to find themselves in a lot of breakaways…I couldn’t find their roster a couple of days ago…so I gave up.

Louder may play in the TT. Top 5?

by swells on Aug 28, 2008 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

pate

I think I like Pate’s chances here better than Vandevelde’s. But I really don’t have a good reason for that. Is just because an acceptable answer? Frischkorn from a break isn’t half bad either. I don’t think much of Lewis’s chances this year – maybe in the future.

Agree with Lyne that BMC deserves a mention here since they just won in Utah, against some pretty hard riding from Garmin.

King is in with a chance, but it’s probably too early for him careerwise.

by Jen See on Aug 28, 2008 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I think the top battle is going to be Pate vs CVV in the TT.

With Zirbel giving them a run. He’s been solid lately. And Will in a break? Go Will(!) as he certainly has a knack for picking the right ones to get off the front! I’m thinking there’s very little chance I’m not going to enjoy the podiums this weekend. Many guys I like and am fans of so I’m excited for the weekend!

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Aug 28, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh and to finish my thoughts sort of...

in the previous 2 years, the Pro tour boys worked together against the domestic crowd especially in the first laps. Now we have powerful Garmin coming in, how is that going to change the mo? or is it?
what will the Sexy riders do?

by lyne on Aug 28, 2008 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Is McCartney riding for Sexy?

Strong dude.

I’m thinking more team riding and less colluding this time around.

by Jen See on Aug 28, 2008 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

huh

i get no csc’s at this race. too busy in europe, maybe. there is a lot of racing going on at the moment.

or, is the velonews list not complete?

by Jen See on Aug 28, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

csc in germany

McCartney is riding ze D-Tour. So no US championships.

by Jen See on Aug 28, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

si...

too many races on the calender at once.

no good time for this us championship thingy.

by Jen See on Aug 28, 2008 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

and while we're at it...

speaking of ‘cross guy chris jones yesterday…he finished 9th in this race last year. wouldn’t see him in the jersey, but a podium spot you never know…

by heathhandsome on Aug 28, 2008 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Looking at that start list I'm struck by two things:

1) What are the odds that Tom Danielson even starts a Tour de France, let alone completes one, before he retires? Based on recent history I’d say less than 50/50.

2) Zabriskie is 29….1 year younger than TD. Just strikes me as odd for some reason.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Aug 28, 2008 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

yep

And Danielson is the same age as Ivan Basso. No longer up and coming.

I’d say no chance he rides a Tour. But you never know.

by Jen See on Aug 28, 2008 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, yes...the much maligned TD

He’s been the subject of a thread post or two. Didn’t he go from Cat. 5 to Cat. 1 in, like, 1 week?

I’ve never drank the TD Kool-Aid. I listed him above because the US Pro Greenville site mentioned him. I think maybe he’s realizing his role as the team jabrone.

by swells on Aug 28, 2008 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be sure, I'm not slagging him

He did afterall finish 8th in the Vuelta not too long ago. But I can’t think of another rider who’s had such a star crossed career.

I believe he went from Cat 3 to Cat 1 in two months and was then signed by Saturn. The following year he won Tour de Langkawi despite not knowing how to really ride in a group.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Aug 28, 2008 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

For use of the word “jabrone”. I was unaware that anyone outside of my co-workers and I actually used that in regular conversation. According to my inside sources, the New England version of “Jabrone” is “Jamoke”.

I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...

by crashdan on Aug 28, 2008 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Confirm jamoke as being New England

I use it all the time. It’s a great word.

Unlike ‘nuance.’ It doesn’t sound like a real word. Like….like ‘gesture.’ That’s a real word.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Aug 28, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be there! (hee.)

Can’t wait… can’t wait…. particularly since I can’t make Missouri this year!
Completely agree about Levi in 06. I saw it happen, too, and thought the same thing at the time.
But…..I don’t agree on Craig Lewis for this year though because I think George is still going to be miffed about Levi taking it last year and will have every intention of dominating! I think Craig is there to serve. It’s going to be tough since there are, like, 53 Garmin-Chip guys in this race and all he has is Craig, but my money’s still on George.
I’m wondering about the new routes… I need to go print off maps since both the TT and road race are different this year. The road race has a slightly different start/finish but shouldn’t be too hard to find. The TT is somewhere completely different.
Did I mention I can’t wait!?

by cg. on Aug 28, 2008 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I think only

the Downtown part of the RR changed. Getting to/from Paris Mtn. looks to be the same.

by swells on Aug 28, 2008 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're right...

I just need to confirm I can park in the same spot!
I have no idea where the TT is though. The Cliffs was pretty easy to find (if a bit of a trek).

by cg. on Aug 28, 2008 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Parking and accessibility

are part of the wonderfulness of this race. You can park close to the downtown circuits then it’s an easy flash up to the base of the backside of the climb. Park & walk, park & walk…that’s the plan.

by swells on Aug 28, 2008 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

CG...give me a shout out.

I’ll be wearing a navy blue ballcap with a Serotta “S” on it and my 10 year old clone will be with me.

by swells on Aug 28, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent write up...

adds yet another tone to the music of the previews and posts around here. Egg Shen quote… well positioned and actually worked in context, you get five VDS points if you can use the phrase “black blood of the earth” in your post race post.

I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...

by crashdan on Aug 28, 2008 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Duh

“After the last time up Paris Mountain, Danielson looked like he was sweating black blood of the earth.”

Jesus Dan, challenge me once in a while will you?

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Aug 28, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

That wasn't a challenge for you big boy... that was for itswells...

… and it still stands… I expect to see “Black Blood of the Earth” in his Post Race Report. For you, knowing you’re exceptional talents in this regard, I would expect to see “… both rolled off to the hell where people are skinned alive”… full phrase and used in context in a race preview story.

I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...

by crashdan on Aug 28, 2008 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm, the Chinese do have a lot of hells......

I could easily work this into my post race of next year’s Tour of Quinghai Lake

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Aug 28, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

parking

i may regret doing this, but as a greenville native and a fan of this site, i’ll offer some can’t-miss parking tips. just don’t flood my secret space.

1. there is, literally, an unfathomable parking opportunity mere feet from the start/finish line. you just have to know how to get there. this link is the street view:
http://tinyurl.com/6jtmjf

going up falls street (one block off main street), it is possible to turn left into that loading dock area (it’s the back side of The Greenville News), hug the warehouse building sharply around to the right, and … presto. a wide-open, free parking lot that’s feet from the main street sidewalk … but separated by a wall, so no one really notices. a small walk-through gets you into the party in, like, 2 seconds. every year so far, this lot has been completely empty. amazing.

2. if for some reason this route is blocked this year, the opposite side of falls street has numerous opportunities. weedy lots, plenty of space along small alleys, all the way down to under-the-bridge space beneath church street. again, a block off the main party.

here’s a view:
http://tinyurl.com/5mr5kv

3. there’s also a secret back way up paris mountain (which is technically closed for the duration of the race) so that you can get to the top, see some climbing, and get back down for other views. but i’m holding back until someone buys me a jersey …

none of these areas is illicit or off-limits.

by sprobro on Aug 28, 2008 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Chris - 5 VDS points for sprobro

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew Davis on Aug 28, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Falls Street

They had the parking garage on Falls and Camperdown free last year. That puts you right next to Reedy Park bridge you’ve got in the pic. Up the stairs, take a right and you’re in the expo area. The garage is a straight shot out to 385 once all is done.

by spokejunky on Aug 28, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy sheit

I can’t think of five people on the Earth who would share their hometown parking tricks, at least not the really good ones. Mother Theresa, sure. Dalai Lama, maybe. After that, I’m drawing a blank.

My insider parking advice for Seattle, FWIW: there’s a garage right near Pike Place, and another one a few blocks north. It’s not too expensive.

See? Anyway, hats off to Sprobro!

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 28, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, well ...

i’m counting on a “niche” number of fans from this site actually being in town this weekend. indeed, this may turn out to be a fatal calculation.

that said, i’ve been parking in an empty lot mere feet from the start line for the past two years. i figure there’s room for a FEW more people.

so, chris: jersey?

i should have noted that since the start line has been moved this year this lot isn’t “feet” from the line any more, but it is a mere (very short) block. the line formerly started in front of the greenville news building.

by sprobro on Aug 28, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again, thanx for giving it up...

Anyway, who’m I gonna tell? The only person I know in Greenville is…well, you, but we just met and you already know about it.

by swells on Aug 28, 2008 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Start Finish

It looks like the S/F is going to be in front of Carolina Triathlon where they normally setup for the fall races.

by spokejunky on Aug 29, 2008 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm really surprised...

The start/finish in years prior seems like a much more “open” intersection.

by cg. on Aug 29, 2008 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I kind of see why they did it though since if spectators wanted to go from one side of the expo to the other, then you had to herd the cattle into the gates at the S/F. Now I bet they’re going to have everything on Main or on Broad where they used to head out on the course.

by spokejunky on Aug 29, 2008 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

s/f

the start/finish is at main and camperdown, which is one corner in the usual fall for greenville lap race.

it was changed because of the construction at the corner of the normal start/finish.

plus, this spot puts the crowd directly in front of the river development the city likes to promote. suspension bridge, riverside development, etc. in the photographs.

will be more cramped, though.

by sprobro on Aug 29, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you a size XS?

Because that is the size of my Podium Cafe jersey, after an accidental washing . . .

(hardly used!)

~

This parking lot should be the site of an excellent post-race party.

by Sui Juris on Aug 28, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh

i’m a medium, probably. alas.

truth is, i have access to a locked private garage in the immediate vicinity. so if you people choke the lot, i have plan b. ;)

by sprobro on Aug 28, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, sprobro!

Somebody get him a jersey! I need the key to Paris Mtn.

by swells on Aug 28, 2008 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

jersey, please.

e-mail me for the back door to paris mountain. it’s the kind of thing that, frankly, could blow up if 500 people try it. the key is a very, very steep back road that hooks into the main road up the mountain in a spot where, last year, there was no cop blockade because the road is so small.

they block the bottom of the mountain, but the loophole is that LOCAL cars (people who live there) are allowed to drive the main road inside the blockade in between laps. so, if you can hook into the main road halfway up, you’re inside the blockades and you can drive all the way up the mountain as a “local” car, watch the climbing action from wherever you want, and then bail via a similar route.

one caution: the crowds get pretty thick near the top, and so driving a full-sized car can be hairy. much better to use a bike or (like me) a vespa.

bszob at bellsouth dot net

by sprobro on Aug 28, 2008 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Bummer...

Will’s knee is acting up a bit. Hopefully it heals up and he makes it out there.

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Aug 28, 2008 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

He's hoping it heals up.

I hope he’s there too! You guys need to take fun pics!

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Aug 28, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will's not going to make Nationals.

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Aug 29, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coverage on Versus

info here
Sept. 7, 5:30 PM (does that mean a half hour’s worth?)

by JFS_PGH on Aug 30, 2008 12:45 AM EDT reply actions  

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