US Nats: Road Race Championships... LIVE!
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 31, 2008 12:52 PM EDT
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Want more live racing? Not thrilled with the logistics from the other races? The US National Road Championships has a home for you. Easy access to live video through the main website. Starts at 1pm Eastern in Greenville, SC, or in about 13 minutes.
Nats races always have a healthy flashpoint between the big European stars and the domestic scene guys, with the US being even more divided (geographically at least) from the glamor scene. This time, Garmin will likely bridge the gap some and possibly pwn the race. But as Itswells mentioned in our race preview, this is a hard course and will reward whoever has massive legs today. If you're not in Greenville, tune in and enjoy!
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well obviously seeing live racing is not in the cards for me
first it was c.tv and now its justin.tv that’s not loading. And you know, capacity planning for video streaming is not rocket science, both these companies have been doing (well trying to do) it for years, and yet they still get overwhelmed and can produce a feed.
That's what I had all day for the Vuelta.
If I see that line again tomorrow I really will defenestrate my computer.
http://www.justin.tv/avflive link at leasts gets you to see the chat...
they are working on getting the video/audio up. from yesterday, it sounds like a couple of guys with a generator and some fairly low tech equipment at the race.
Sorry little break
The Netherlands had their TT championship today. Guess how won…
Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.
Nathan O'Neill will be commenting again today
I think he is at a disadvantage. Unless it changes from yesterday, they had no cameras on the course and he didn’t seem to have race radio.
He’s pretty brave. Making it up as he goes.
Let’s hope less interviewing and more race updates
while not having cameras was certainly a disadvantage
some homework on his part would have been helpful, like looking at the start list and he could also have given internediate times. pretty sad state of affairs for US Pro Championships.
so far, it's audio, some Q and A
and logos against an out of focus shot of…not sure what that is, but it doesn’t seem to be cyclist. Leastaways, it’s not moving. However, the voice reports that they are now on the first climb.
good chat feed under that non-vid
someone reports, “there is a lead group now – numbers 25, 108, 81, 15, 27, 63, 125 – Jackson Stewart, Nick Waite, Brad Huff, Tom Zirbel, Jonathan Garcia, Dave Zabriski, and Michael Creed.” Maybe someone is uploading from a PDA next to the course.
group of 7 followed by group of 6 at 15 seconds then 10 sec
Oh, just go to the feed and listen if you’ve got the patience. It is lovely here, I’m going for a ride.
Live streaming
Why can’t the US cover cycling races competently? If somebody could do it even half as well as the Europeans it would be ten times better than the coverage of any of the races here.
oops
"...The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do..." Jens!
under 20 k to go
"...The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do..." Jens!
mix of riders from CN
* Danny Pate (Team Garmin-Chipotle p/b H30), Jeff Louder (BMC Racing Team), Blake Caldwell (Team Garmin-Chipotle p/b H30), Tyler Hamilton (Rock Racing) and Lucas Euser (Team Garmin-Chipotle p/b H30)
* Tom Danielson (Team Garmin-Chipotle p/b H30), Craig Lewis (Team Columbia), Andrew Bajadali (Kelly Benefit Strategies – Medifast), Burke Swindlehurst (Bissell Pro Cycling) and Chris Jones (Team Type 1) at 0.40
"...The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do..." Jens!
Pate making Hamilton
cover the attacks
"...The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do..." Jens!
They are taking turns
attacking the group and making the non Garmen cover
"...The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do..." Jens!
tyler and caldwell off the front
"...The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do..." Jens!
caldwell needs to make hamilton do all the work
"...The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do..." Jens!
10s lead over Louder, Pate & Euser
"...The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do..." Jens!
In the final lap
"...The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do..." Jens!
Caldwell seems to be making Hamilton do most of the work now
"...The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do..." Jens!
Caldwell definitely sitting on now
"...The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do..." Jens!
2km to go
"...The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do..." Jens!
1 to go
"...The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do..." Jens!
Close finish...
"...The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do..." Jens!
no call yet..
"...The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do..." Jens!
photo finish...
"...The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do..." Jens!
Tyler gets it!! in a Photo finish
"...The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do..." Jens!
hamylton!!!
if there is a race for Rock Racing win, this is there.
Michael Ball will know what to do with this victory, maybe for next year more invites, TOC for sure…
Curious to see the new suit of HAmylton.
How Team Garmin loose this?!!
Pate in for 3rd
"...The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do..." Jens!
My thoughts were anyone but him
"...The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do..." Jens!
Scared to think what a Rock Racing Nat. Champ kit will look like
"...The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do..." Jens!
I'm off to Chipotle for dinner
see ya guys
"...The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do..." Jens!
Wow
I thought Garmin was all over it. I’m sure they will be more than a little upset. Looks like Hamilton peaked at the right time. I wonder if CVV and Hincapie were marking each other?
Garmin couldn't get rid of TH
TH rode a super smart race, and, once again, Danny Pate screwed up and went 10k too early. He’s like the econo-version of Jens Voigt.
Think whatever you want about his past, but I’d be pretty certain that TH is either the cleverest doper on the planet now, or clean, because you have to know that the USA Cycling, WADA, and the UCI have his whereabouts on speed-gps.
I don't feel so well after watching that.
And can I – once again – say this place puts everyone else to shame in commentating and playing nice.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
get off your high horses
he paid his dues just like miller of Garmin did. maybe he did not admit it but he has paid – unlike piti or any of the others that were never called out who are still racing and winning.
I for one am actually happy for the guy.
I'm happy for him too.
But then again I like all stories of hard-earned redemption. Quitting would have been far easier for him.
"....Up Sestriere on a rental clunker in jeans and loafers? Brother, lemme buy you a beer."
by Rolls on Aug 31, 2008 6:26 PM EDT reply actions
Surgical
is the hairsplitting of the pious. If he is racing clean now all is good with me. Damn the zealots.
"....Up Sestriere on a rental clunker in jeans and loafers? Brother, lemme buy you a beer."
by Rolls on Aug 31, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Coming To Your Mailbox...
…a series of photos of the sprint. Hopefully we’ll see them on Podium In Sight!
by Chief Commissaire on Aug 31, 2008 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
tyler: explain
it just didn’t make sense.
i managed to see the race at 10 different spots today, and was in great position on the final climb up paris mountain just before the peak to see george, cvv, tyler, freddie and co. bear down on the final remnants of the break. at that point, i thought (a) cvv had missed his chance to attack on the final climb and put time into george, et al., and (b) that this was george’s race to lose.
i mean, this is his hometown, he’d been hiding smooth in the peloton all day, he was driving the group of contenders on the final climb, looking great, seemingly comfortable, he’d been talking all week about ow he wanted to win the race, how he skipped the TT to have great legs, etc.
and now he’s over the final climb with no gaps to worry about. as a strong classics rider, you’d expect him to sizzle through the technical turns of downtown greenville. in both of the previous two years on this route, he made major moves in the final circuits downtown, finishing first and second those years. heck, this is where he eats dinner!
so, i was stunned to hear about the 2-min gap between tyler and the george group by the time we’d bombed down the mountain to watch the final two downtown circuits. how do those guys (and particularly george) let tyler get away like that IN TOWN?!?!
there are no official accounts posted yet, so i guess we’ll see. obviously, garmin-chipotle was controlling things, springing the breaks, etc. but still. george’s own teammate finished a minute or so up the road.
it just doesn’t add up. we know a certain well-known u.s. cyclist took a dive two years ago, so george could win. hope there weren’t any other shenanigans to explain this oddness.
p.s. tyler deserved the win. he looked like he was barely hanging on on the final climb, and then clearly was low on gas in the downtown laps. his sprint was, er, nails.
I was 2 inches from the finish line....
and Tyler deserved the win. Like him or not/like RR or not, he suffered through every one of those laps and when Caldwell quit working, he just kept on fighting. It’s amazing that he took it on the line.
I’m not inclined to be a RR fan (and never believed Tyler’s twin story), but when he came down the line, I was cheering for him.. (At least I was once George dropped off to 3 min’s by the last lap and CVV was no where to be found at the end. Pate would have been a great choice of the final 3 but he never bridged up…) And I wasn’t the only one cheering.
BTW, Greenville gets the race for (at least) one more year — announced by USA Cycling from the podium. (Woohoo!)
Huh
I’m not a Hamilton fan, but I don’t at all understand the “I’m gonna be sick” reactions. Hamilton beat everyone else. This is how racing works.
I completely agree!
It was the best US Pro Greenville has seen. Where in prior years it was George against the field or Levi against George and the field, this was a real race. It was a thrill to watch.
My whole probelm with him stems from
not manning up and coming true about all the evidence. I do think he has served his time and deserves to race but I reserve my admiration for those that can at least admit they were wrong.
"...The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do..." Jens!
exactly my feelings about him
I think he took the easy way out. But he did serve his time and should be and is free to race for anyone who wants to hire him. Those are the rules, so be it. He did race smarter than the others and got to the finish line first, that makes him the winner. But no way, no how will I talk about redemption or salvation in this case.
Also, with all the retired cyclists available, some with commentating experience, and all the non-American riders also around, the only rider that they could get to call the race, on the official set up, is Nathan ONeill who is serving a suspension for a doping infraction?
perfectly reasonable
It’s just that there’s a gap (underserved/not understood by me) between that and expressing disgust that the guy won.
In my defense I was more bummed that GarMEN played it so strong all day
and then didn’t come home with the win. I agree Tyler served his time and I was a huge fan before the bust so I don’t mind seeing him in the field and riding well. I’m happy to see him riding well. My illness was more serious bummers for guys that I am a huge fans of not being able to finish a day that they controlled so well all day. Very bummed as their fan that they didn’t get the win. Once C and George were so far back, personally I was cheering for Pate. Seeing him win would’ve left me thrilled. Racing is racing and not much more can be said.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
Pate reports severe cramping
thus I believe the late reaction by G/C. He recovered well enough to be a bridesmaid again.. CN today
by Christopher See on Sep 1, 2008 11:58 AM EDT reply actions
Just got home, just saw the results. Ugh, this leaves a terribly bitter taste in my mouth.
I used to be a big fan of TH, back before ‘03, when his finish at the Tour rang alarm bells for me… But after the disgusting lies he told after ’04, over and over and over, the defense fund pleas, the Tugboat stories, the chimera stuff, and the fact that he’s never apologized to his fans….well, the egotism that takes just boggles my mind.
He won the race today. He won the US Championship race, and if he passes the drug tests, then he won it fair and square. But I am a really burned-out ex-fan of his and I’m not happy about it at all. Yes, he is free to race; yes, he served his suspension time and is free to work for any team that will hire him. But I say: Shame on him. He is not who I want to see representing American pro cycling over the next year.
Tugboat!
and now it’s his 102-year-old granny. god i love that man. he sooo tugs the heart strings.
pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway
by fmk on Sep 1, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You know...
I’m not so enamored of testing standards that I’m utterly positive that the labs are always right. Nor do I think we yet know absolutely everything there is to know about the human body.
The twin defense might seem improbable, but scientists not involved in the case say it is indeed possible. To quote the New York Times:
Whether Mr. Hamilton is guilty or innocent, his defense does refer to a real phenomenon. Researchers who have no involvement in Mr. Hamilton’s case say it actually is possible for someone to have two types of blood in his body, without doping.
So there remains the faintest possibility in my mind that maybe, just maybe, Tyler Hamilton was innocent. Maybe he hasn’t fessed up because there’s nothing to fess.
Flame away, but mistakes do get made.
Dashed unlucky then that his name should also appear on Fuentes’ Puerto list, no?
pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway
by fmk on Sep 1, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
sure
be there are worlds of difference between “possible” and “likely.” Or even between “possible” and “beyond all reasonable doubt.” For example, it’s still possible that I may yet become a pro cyclist.
Actually...
… i think that’s beyond a reasonable doubt.
I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...
I wanted to believe Tyler
so badly, but the invoice/fax sent by “Haven Parchinski,” to Dr. Fuetes (and published in VN) kinda sent me over the edge. I still can’t believe how far that guy went to preserve… What was he trying to preserve again? And, I can’t believe the image of himself he was trying to foster before he was busted.
I sent a note to Tyler’s website asking him to offer an explanation for the documents that were published linking him to OP, and his webmaster (or whomever) responded by insinuating that the documents were forged.
If someone isn’t familiar with the documents I’m talking about, and is interested in the case, I’m glad to find a link for you and send you the correspondence I’ve had with Tyler’s people. walterstroy@hotmail.com
I’ll tell you one thing: If he is innocent (and this probably betrays how badly I want to believe), then he has endured an extraordinary injustice. And if he is guilty, then my usual optimism regarding the nature of humanity has suffered a blow.
Certainty, as ever, proves elusive.
Never, ever, work with a sprinter.
by Put 'Em in the Gutter on Sep 1, 2008 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
good thing tyler won or else
we would be talking about how shitty o’neil is as an announcer and that the only reason he is announcing is ’cause he is suspended.
back to tyler, either he has nothing to admit as was stated earlier, or the dude is living under a cloud of denial or deceit. I would imagine is weight is always there and more so after days like yesterday. He has to look in the mirror everyday, beyond that it really doesn’t matter what we think of him. Good or bad.
I had noticed that...
I looked for pics of the other RR guys, and found one where Doug O is on a De Rosa, and one pic of Creed where he’s on a De Rosa too (although it’s less clear).
Maybe it’s in keeping with Cipo riding his own rig at the ToC and the other guys riding whatever’s around in the TT’s?
That team is just so strange…
Never, ever, work with a sprinter.
by Put 'Em in the Gutter on Sep 2, 2008 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Fuji sposorship
I took some photogs of the pit bikes and asked about the various setup. Lew is the wheels sponsor and Fuji is coming on in 2009 as a sponsor for RR. One person was riding Cole Shuriken deep wells.
very very sick and possibly wrong too.
by Christopher See on Sep 2, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
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