Meatball & Co. Apologize for Mask-gate
Man, the cultural chasms between China and the west are wide...
"The wearing of protective masks upon our arrival into Beijing was strictly a precautionary measure we as athletes chose to take, and was in no way meant to serve as an environmental or political statement.
"We deeply regret the nature of our choices. Our decision was not intended to insult BOCOG or countless others who have put forth a tremendous amount of effort to improve the air quality in Beijing.
The article goes on to discuss how the "perception of pollution problems" was seen as disrespectful of the organizers. Granted, if Mike Friedman, Bobby Lea, Sarah Hammer and Jennie Reed put the masks on for the cameras and made stump speeches about the environment, that'd be one thing. Instead, they were among the 200 athletes given the masks by the USOC. And if the Beijing hosts are touchy about pollution, they're in for a stiff dose of culture shock, in the form of media coverage that -- while far, far from perfect -- isn't going to swallow the up-is-down, day-is-night style of reporting the Chinese government typically demands. Seriously, "perception of pollution problems"... is this an Onion piece?
Update: Sports Illustrated's Selena Roberts is on the case. Nice article. Breaking news: Peter Ueberroth is a phony mouthpiece.
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If Mattel caved, what did you expect?
“Mattel takes full responsibility for these recalls and apologizes personally to you, the Chinese people, and all of our customers who received the toys,” Thomas A. Debrowski, Mattel’s executive vice president for worldwide operations.
I enjoyed this part because it’s soooo believable:
Jim Scherr, the U.S. Olympic Committee’s chief executive officer, said his organization didn’t ask the cyclists to apologize.
I'm sure they didn't ASK
I’m sure they were TOLD, in no uncertain terms – I’m guessing the “apology” was written for them.
The fact that anyone thought that an apology was necessary is just astounding. Given that the IOC has now admitted that it entered into an agreement with China to censor some webisites at Olympic venues, I’m certainly hoping that western journalists come up with some truly embarassing stories during the Olympics.
Sometimes you have to give luck a kick in the balls - Jens Voigt
what a crock
of shit. I’m going to get a mask and draw a stick-man on it sticking up his middle finger and send it over. Maybe in argyle. What colors should it be?
PC in China?
I agree
Now that the IOC is in up to it’s neck in human rights and environmental controversy, let’s hope for some good highlights. Good will is one thing and asking everyone to behave and be non-political I can accept in this context, but when athletes are expected to perform at their best and basically “choke on it”, I take exception.
Chinese people were regularly seen wearing masks during the SARS crisis in Canada a few years ago even though it was considered medically unnecessary and to this day Chinese people can often be seen walking around the streets of Vancouver wearing masks. So what’s with the cultural double-standard? The air out here is a hell of alot cleaner than it is in Beijing.
Can we organize something?
Anyone know where we can get an order of 100 custom-designed masks?
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 6, 2008 2:32 PM EDT reply actions
"I support the Chinese Mask Making Industry?"
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Yeah
although on second thought, this is one of the problems of being an internet community. 100 people scattered around the world can’t really make much of a statement, even in jest.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 6, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless each of us puts on a mask, stands on the nearest convenient wall...
... takes a picture and posts it up to Flicr… it would eventually get noticed… espeically because of the international flavor of it.
I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...
You mean
these? [see parcours thread]

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 6, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd wear my PdC shirt and a mask in support
of any of the athletes that chose to try and protected their lungs.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
Blast from the past
mine is still sitting in its wrapper.
Bound to be a collectors item.
What did I do with that...?
"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race
Well...
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Shave your head nearly bald and try to jump over 35 burning clones of Christian Prudhomme in a somewhat uninspiring fashion on your Trek Madone?
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I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...
by crashdan on Aug 6, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well...
... at least it was poking fun at Levi and not George right?
I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...
That's slightly better.
But Levi probably could jump over 35 flaming Prudhommes. He doesn’t need to shave his head. Poor guy. If he had hair he wouldn’t get made of so often.
Not political...give me a break.
I would not walk in to my hosts home wearing a mask and I doubt anyone reading this message would do a similar thing unless you were trying to provoke controversy.
There are plenty of people that don’t like the idea of China hosting the Olympics for political and/or racist reasons; athletes will not be any different.
If anyone felt they had to wear a mask upon arrival in China they probably should not have gone to these games in the first place. Were they planning to compete in masks also?
Well...
... what if your host had a coal fired energy generation plant in their living room? :)
I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...
Then...
...I would decline the invitation to enter their home. Its too bad these athletes were forced to go to China to represent their country. Perhaps the USA should review their human rights practices… :)
ha!
The SI article knocks down the “just stay home” line, FWIW. I guess we’ll have to disagree on this one.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 6, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
beach volley-ball
It’s the Olympics and these are athletes, and mostly kids, and I want them to act up just like would in Atlanta or LA. I want to see the sprinters trash talk, the beach volley-ball… nevermind. If it shines a light, so be it.
Haven't read SI...
...but can’t believe anyone would advocate going to a place where conditions were ‘intolerable’.
People
don’t easily give up on their Olympic dreams.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 6, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I
don’t understand this comment relative to a cyclist wearing polution mask in Beijing, regardless of their motivation.
Re: I don't understand.
I was speaking in general terms. These athletes would not have done what they did were it not for the media frenzy about the air quality in Beijing. Perhaps its the American media that has the problem with the Communist Chinese.
I will say these athletes showed a surprising lack of sensitivity to their hosts.
I still don’t understand how they expected to live, sleep, eat, train and finally compete over the next one to three weeks if they believe the air quality is that vile.
Media
has a problem with the CCP. They’re easy pickings, frankly. So yeah, the media is fanning it. But the athletes were there at the airport getting their bags. I just think they were more passively going about their business when the cameras started clicking, and not looking to insult anyone.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 6, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I know why.
Paramilitary police detained Masami Kawakita, a photographer with the Chunichi newspaper, and Shinji Katsuta, a reporter with the Nippon Television Network, as they were covering the recent attack on police, the Foreign Correspondents Club of China and Reporters Without Borders said.
The police yanked them off the street, beat them and damaged their equipment, according to the two journalist groups—which cited the journalists’ employers, several witnesses, and the national Kyodo news service of Japan.
Once inside, police pushed Kawakita to the ground and kicked him in his face and torso, Takayoshi said. They took away two cameras to check the photographs on them, Takayoshi said, returning them to him later. One camera was returned broken, Takayoshi said.
On Tuesday the police apologized to the journalists, the Foreign Correspondents Club of China said.
They were willing to put up with living in crap conditions to represent their country
So, what’s the damn problem with them wearing face masks? It’s a small concession for the Chinese government. This crap makes them mad but they are okay with violating basic human rights or aligning themselves with a repressive murderous regime in Africa? Are you fucking kidding me? Dude, you should just not talk.
If I just had one more gear, I...
Except
everyone gets to talk. You made your point. Can we get back to polite disagreement please?
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 7, 2008 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
No we can't
This guy is obviously phishing. If he weren’t, he wouldn’t be spitting out this crazy ass rhetoric. I’m protecting this guy’s right to speak, but not spout this crap. There’s a certain point, and this guy has reached it.
If I just had one more gear, I...
Okay, phishing is the wrong word
But you know what I mean. He’s trying to incite some crap.
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You mean
“argument”? We do that all the time. It’s not personal. If someone is wrong you can explain why, or ignore them. we don’t pull the plug on anything except spam and personal attacks. If he or she is spouting rhetoric, ignore it.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 7, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what, here's another point
While deployed in support of an operation that directly relates to what I spoke about above that has EVERYTHING to do with China, we were there to cleanup their crap. This guy is spouting this INSANE stuff and I get told to play nice! Threads like this shouldn’t be allowed to be started then. I take personal offense to this stuff and to others here that want to play devil’s advocate and turn the tables to prove a point.
If I just had one more gear, I...
I strongly disagree with bikenik
on the views he/she has stated regarding Mike but he/she is allowed to voice an opinion. I support Mike 100% but also know he did not intend this to be political. I disagree with some comments and agree with most discussed here and this is a place to view both sides of issues which helps me feel as though I have a bigger picture view on issues because I get to view what both sides say – normally in a very open and non-rude manner. There is NO reason to personally slam anyone here and we should all do our best not to go that route.
We ALL need to keep it respectful here, if for no other reason, than to simply be respectful to Chris for having this site to begin with.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
Nikki
I respect what you are saying, but I cannot respect what this guy is saying. You cannot come onto a site like this, say that crap and expect not to hear about it. I have very strong views on the things he said and I, unlike most here, have had a personal investment on things going on in the world that have taken me away from my family and put me in harms way, not for my benefit, but for the benefit of others. I have no problem with that most of the time because it is my job and I am thankful to be able to do it. But, when somebody wants to use their right to an opinion/speech as a pass to run their mouth, they damn sure better expect responses. And yes, some will be damn angry responses. I respect Chris and this site and have tried to tone down my comments in other areas, but I just can’t on this.
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then take it to email
You’ve been pretty rough and offensive in some of your posts in the past, and I don’t think anyone escalated it with you. Just say you think he’s way off base and let it at that. If that’s not enough, tell him why you think he’s off-base, hash it out on the issues. But just telling someone to stop talking? Uh, no. This place is more tranquillo than that, certo?
I agree on being respectful
There are plenty of cycling forums out there on which posters routinely make personal attacks on each other, call each other names, etc. People who feel that their need to express their anger at other posters in whatever tone strikes their fancy might feel comfortable on those sites, but personally, that’s the kind of thing I come to Podium Cafe to avoid. From others’ comments on this site over the two years or so that I’ve posted here, I gather that I’m not the only one who feels this way.
I’m gratefull to Chris for carving out a little space in the uncivil world of cyberspace where we can freely express our opinions, but respect each other enough to do so in a civil manner.
by Susie Hartigan on Aug 7, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Oops, bad sentence!
I meant to say: People who feel that their need to express their anger at other posters in whatever tone strikes their fancy is paramount might feel comfortable on those sites…
by Susie Hartigan on Aug 7, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, spunout...if he's determined, let him dig himself a hole and sit in it
It’s us he (or she) is talking to, you know? We’re already noticing that this is someone who seems to know little about cycling physiology, care little about cycling physiology (or cyclists), and who has come in the door yelling loudly, and will probably go away again if a) ignored or b) talked around. Alternatively, he/she might learn something and go away better-informed, and share that information. Let’s generally proceed on those assumptions, fair enough?
Let's try to move back up to the top....

Or just move along… either way I’m fine.
I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...
I like the progression
but I think the graphic might be upside down…or sideways… Otherwise you are implying that calling someone an asshat is the basic argument which all consultations are based upon. Perhaps if you flipped the pyramid and made it a downward spiral…and made the labels progressively more poo coloured as you spiral down.
Not to nit-pick or anything :P
I'm just the messenger man...
... I didn’t come up with the graphic… I brazenly stole it without attribution from a Wordpress site that brazenly stole it from somewhere else without attribution after seeing it on Reddit.
I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...
Let's see
Is the Podium Cafe above ground in this scenario? Or do you have to dig down a few more layers?
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 7, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
"Shut your festering gob you tit!"
“What? I’m here for an argument “
“Oh, sorry. This is insults.”
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Your kind really makes me puke...
... you vacuous, toffee nosed, malodorant pervert!
I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...
We need a thread for you both along with Jimbo
and itswells (still in training but certainly catching up) to just go at it with the movie lines. I am almost to the point where I start smiling before I even read it when see your names appear. Thanks guys!!!
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
What's your problem, Kazansky?
“almost” to the point? We’ll try harder.
I’m afraid that wouldn’t be any fun, Nikki.
Emerging lurkers would come out of the wood work in attempts to steer the topic toward bike racing, or puppies or doodjamming, or whatever.
I like to consider movie quote posting as a subtle form of art. Just slip one in here or there with the sincere hope that it vaguely applies to the post above and wincing when it evolves into a full-on threadjack.
Sadly, it’s my only talent and it pays terribly.
Solid point. Continue as you were... LOL!!! :-)
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
Are you kidding me?
You are making insanely bold assumptions that these athletes are prejudiced or trying to promote political agendas. If your statement was a general comment about the racial prejudices or political ideologies of Americans, then it’s probably better said on another forum, not a website about cycling.
There are simple, undeniable facts here:
– Beijing is very polluted
– Cyclists rely on their lungs
– Masks help cyclists protect their lungs
And on another note, do you think a guy who embraces the nickname Meatball is really trying to make a political statement?
+1
Yeah this is for sure not the place to provoke a political discussion.
"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race
Particularly
so completely out of left field. I spent 6 weeks in China with several friends, Chinese citizens who kindly took me in and showed me around. So if I’m harboring prejudice, please let me know how.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 6, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Re: Kidding me.
The organizers did take action on the air quality. Factories have been closed, construction halted and vehicles taken off the road. Have these facts not be reported in the American media?
Media has reported the
attempts in the past month to lower years of damage.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
Re: Years of damage...
We are talking about the free flowing air quality during a three week athletic event…right? :)
I was saying that they have been trying
really hard to reduce the pollution this past month for the next three weeks while this should’ve been an issue addressed for years.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
Sure
And so have the effects of these actions. Somedays you can see the sun. Other days… too little, too late.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 6, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Chinese efforts to reduce pollution have been reported
But this is years and years of industrial buildup we’re talking about. It’s not a pimple on the the night before the Homecoming Dance that can be Oxy-fied.
Since the end of the tour, almost every cyclist competing has said air quality is their biggest concern. I have not heard one cyclist talk about how the 14 degree ramp half-way up the climb will be a great launching pad. It’s all about the air.
Even the swimmers are complaining about the quality of air in an indoor facility. It has nothing to do with prejudices or ideologies of the american athletes, the american media or the american people.
It’s the air.
As a former competitive swimmer
I can attest to how sensitive you get to air quality. In my old home pool there used to be a food kiosk and on morning swims we’d be accosted by the smell of iced doughnuts (trust me, not appetizing when your heart rate is running at 150-160 BPM and each breath you take counts); in the evening it was french fries and hot grease (ugh) which felt as though it was coating your lungs.
We’ve seen the photos of the Olympic pool in Beijing – yikes! Makes me feel a tad silly for complaining about cooking smells. If there is sensitivity, maybe it’s because we can all see it and it’s an embarassment, period. Talk about the elephant in the living room!
How does the mask have anything to do with the statement you made?
I think I have a pretty solid idea of Meatball and that makes no sense.
This is just so blown out of proportion and I’m sad to see the US committee not supporting them (when they supplied masks) in using a precaution against bad air. They should’ve long cleaned up the air there and not for Olympics but for the people living there.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
Ha Ha...no it couldn't be a political statement.
I mean wearing a mask and a T-Shirt that says Beijing on it, how could that be political? Ha Ha…
Do me a favor and ask Mike if you're so hell bent that he was making a politcal statement.
He was wearing a mask that the US Committee suggested athletes wear to protect themselves if they so chose.
I can tell you he’s been dreaming of making it to the Olympics. After everything that man has worked through to get here, to have a shot at his dream – he can wear any mask he wants to keep crap out of his lungs to give himself the chance the to the best he can. He has my support and I feel for him with this added media made pressure. I personally think its crap and wrong that wearing a mask in a country that has outright serious pollution issues is being brought down on him and the others as so wrong and being portrayed in such an awful way.
I hope he has the ride of his life and these Olympics can become what he’s dreamed.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
When you go to a country, you wear the T-shirt--that's respect (or just being a tourist, or doing what the organizers tell you to do.)
When you go to a race, you protect your lungs beforehand. That’s professionalism.
Bikenik, if you commonly take a respectful / standard / normal gesture…and a personal health accomodation…and combine them to see an insult, you may live a life where you often feel insulted. Respectfully, I think you should ask yourself, “who owns this problem?”
point taken
that China doesn’t have a corner of the market on human rights atrocities. But I tend to think these athletes wore masks so they could breathe and the media have amped it up. If athletes from whatever country opted to stay home because of pollution, political hay would have been made of that, too.
As noted, we're already missing a couple of top cyclers for this reason...
And at least one of the masked riders did race in Beijing unmasked, and got a hell of an inflammation (followed by infection) in December. And another masked cyclists says he also masks when in L.A. on a smog day.
So we’re hardly talking hypotheticals, here, or calculated insults. If it were Mexico city, or any other major pollution spot, the host country might have the sense to STFU themselves, instead of getting huffy. After all, their own people wear masks for the same from time to time. See —just-useless-says-Rogge.html” target=”new”>here. (Rogge is wrong, BTW; they do filter some particulates, just like your nose hair does.) And do we think that Korea does this only for the photo op?
And anyway, China is not a “house”—it’s a frigging country. I love India, I go there voluntarily, but I most definitely protect myself in various ways while I visit.
Finally, hosting the Olympics isn’t like hosting a birthday party. It’s more like someone hosting a religious or cultural event at their house, or a meeting. How would people feel if first the host promised that allergies would be “no problem,” and then got all offended when someone wouldn’t sit next to their dog, or opened a window because they were in distress? If that happened, people in the group would most likely ask that future meetings not take place at that person’s house.
Really?
I find that assumption hard to believe. The stated explanation was that they wanted to keep their lungs fresh, a level of precaution that shouldn’t be too surprising, considering cyclists supposedly don’t shave their legs close to a race for fear of sapping their energy. And if the USOC gave them the masks... you still smell a rat?
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 6, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure that some athletes have political agendas, but I don't think that these cyclists are among them
There is a reason that so many olympic athletes are staying in Singapore, S. Korea, etc. They don’t want to be exposed to those levels of pollution before they have to compete. Sad really. Part of the experience for many of these athletes is exploring other cultures and just seeing the world. It is a shame for athletes that have spent their entire lives working towards this goal to just be made to apologize for something so trivial. If the Chinese are so sensitive, maybe they should cleanup the pollution. Did they think that they could hide that big cloud hanging over the city. Good on Meatball and co., and oh yeah, screw the Chinese!
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Well put
although I think there is a distinction we’re maybe failing to make: it’s not screw the Chinese, it’s screw the Chinese government. Pretty sure that’s what you mean, and it’s certainly what I mean when i get pissed about this stupid issue. Chinese people aren’t more or less sensitive*; it’s the Chinese government that is xenophobic to its core. As it should be, since they govern 1.3 billion people, most of whom could probably find reasons to object to them.
- Culturally, the Chinese have a history of placing subtle meaning in everything, but I’m sure lots of Chinese people know better than to expect the same from westerners. And that’s your less-than-half-baked history lesson for the day.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 6, 2008 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
once more, for emphasis
it’s not screw the Chinese, it’s screw the Chinese government.
And even with that, consider the problems that many people in the US have in understanding that same sentiment when it’s directed towards the US. I suspect it’s not dissimilar, in China.
I clarified already
But lets agree to not have to specify EVERY thing that is typed and instead just believe that people mean, say government and not people. Since there is no edit, I’m not going to post a reply to my reply. Cool?
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Indeed
I think a bunch of us, including myself, kept making the same “mistake”.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 7, 2008 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes that's what I meant, the government not the people
Obviously it’s not the fault of the Chinese people. I guess I need to specify in the future just for clarity’s sake.
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I hate this news story.
I support these guys if they want to wear a mask. Mike was over there in December so it’s not like he’d have no idea how it would be getting off that plane. And to suggest that they should not go in place of using extra precaution is awful.
I’m sorry but the air is bad over there. Why expose yourself more to it if you can do something as simple as wear a mask to help keep those pollutants out? Mike, as most Olympians, dream of these moments. Why is it wrong to wear a mask to help protect yourself?
I have a feeling my stronger feelings come from my dad having a lung transplant. He chose to wear a mask at times. Especially in hospitals and out in public because of other’s basic germs that could do him harm. If we had any kind of cold we stayed away but at times we needed to see him, we too wore masks. I see this as a lot moe serious as some are taking it as for those in some events, clear lungs are important. I strongly diaagree criticizing athletes for using protection supplied to them when the country hosting didn’t get its act together to provide a clean environment.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
It’s like forbidden to use masks in China, especially if you ride a bike.
Bork, bork, bork!
by TheFigurehead on Aug 6, 2008 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Reminds me
People use a lot of these masks in Japan. I distinctly recall going to the train one day and seeing someone who had pulled their mask down so they could smoke. Genius!
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 6, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Typically, the mask is used when they are sick.
It is seen a being respectful to those around them.
They are usually simple cotton, or medical masks and are very common in most all countries over here.
Oh!
certainly adds up. Thanks… I had a friend who’s a doctor in Kyoto. Suppose I could’ve asked him…
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 6, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
My favorite was
the guy driving his car with the windows rolled up, surgical mask around his neck, smoking away with a happy look on his face. Also in Kyoto.
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."
It's now a tie for funniest cycling thing I've read recently...
... between…
Bicycle.net: “You’ve said publicly that your hero is the deceased Marco Pantani, who had his own issues with drugs. What do you think about that?”
Ricardo Ricco: “Pantani was a lightweight
and…
Said Hincapie, “I’m choking worse than I did at Roubaix!”
I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...
oohhh
he looks a little, you know… devious. Capable of anything. Stand down, Dan.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 7, 2008 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
That cat has definately got a...
... Francis Walsingham look in his eyes…
I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...
That's a fine looking cat
What breed? Those eyes say it all – “I know exactly what you’re all up to.”
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."
I believe it's a Columbia cat...
... formerly a breed of HighRoad. Prior to that it was a Discovery cat and in ancient times, a US Postal Feline.
I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...
Crashdan - twisting the knife ever so subtley deeper
:-)
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."
Really!?! [eyes darting nervously]
these internets are a creepy place. I’m off to bed now, but I guess you already know that…
Maybe in the long run this will light a fire under the ass of China
They are apparently uber-sensitive to any negative reactions heading in their direction that may embarass the fatherland. Maybe they’ll now pull their heads out and clean up their air and hopefully re-think who they align themselves with around the world. Just the fact that the IOC even considered China is kind of a kick in nuts for those countries that don’t have a history of human rights violations or deprivation of civil liberties to their own people. I would be willing to bet that it will be a LONG time until China sees another Olympics.
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I think you overestimate the IOC
Did you ever see the Dark Crystal? The IOC are the Skesis.
There will be no fire under China. it will be pronounced the best games ever, and our lazy media, once they’ve wrung out all the ratings they can over Those Scary Chinese!, will go back to failing to inform the public about any of the whys of China, or the great interdependence between the US and China.
See you back here for Hong Kong 2024.
hmmmmmm
you had to mention Dark Crystal, now I will be hearing that awful noise in my head for days.
"...The mind has to rule the body and tell the body, shut up and do what I tell you to do..." Jens!
there is the coolest exhibit in the Smithsonian right now
and it includes some of the original models from that movie.
Oct 5th, for DC
Sounds like it will do a little bit of traveling. I have to say, it was a really great little exhibit. You know how most people experience an exhibit, sort of wandering through, looking closer at what grabs their attention, but skipping large swaths? I am not exaggerating when I say that 95% of the visitors looked closely at 95% of the exhibit. And watching the appeal across the generations was cool – the little kids loved it because, well, what kid doesn’t love Muppets? I loved it, because the Muppets were my 70s friends. And people my parents age loved it, because they remember their kids loving it. Winners all ‘round.
And really, to read some of the original sketch notes and drawings for little bits that you thought you’d forgotten 30 years ago? Nothing but smiles, man.
Loooooved the muppets - I was a big animal fan (smiles, shrugs)
can’t tell if the expo is coming to the west coast in the article
Wait... wtf...
... it’s going to FRESNO? not San Francisco, not LA, not San Diego… FRESNO?????
I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...
The only good thing about Fresno...
... is that you can leave it to get to Yosemite or King’s Canyon. Other than that, it’s only claim to fame is that it has the highest rate of auto theft in the United States.
I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...
Reseda...
... about 20 miles north of here...
I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...
I was an extraordinarily kid
When I fell in love with Sesame Street at age 4 my father (very good graphic artists) sketched out and painted one entire wall of my room with the big cheeses of the street – Oscar (in can), Cookie Monster, Ernie & Bert, and Grover.
Needless to say, my room RULED!
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."
uh....'extraordinarily lucky' kid
But not very intelligent, as you can plainly see :-O
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."
And I can verify
it still looks great.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 7, 2008 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't let anyone else play in there either does he?
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
Yeah... well...
... my Dad let me play with asbestos so beat that!
I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...
My Dad made me start smoking
asbestos when I was 16. He said it built character.
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."
And look at ya now!
My dad made me wear a full environmental suit and use a wire saw to cut through core samples… cool stuff.
I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...
wow you guys had it tough
all I had to do was walk 10 miles to school, going uphill in the morning against a horrible wind, barefoot in the snow
Why
do I get the sneaky suspicion that this thread is going to get the Podium Cafe banned in China? To any Chinese readers… sorry.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 6, 2008 5:17 PM EDT reply actions
Masks are quite common in China
Us Americans think it’s an insult because we would be insulted but masks are very common in China. It’s polite to wear a mask when you are sick in China and it’s very common to wear one if you have allergies. So why would the Chinese care now if a bunch of foreigners do it. When in Rome do as the Romans, or when in Beijing, do as the Beijingers.
What I understood from the article on CN
was that someone (who shall remain anonymous) from the USOC criticized the american athletes for wearing masks. The Chinese didn’t say anything at all. These were the same masks that the USOC gave their athletes to wear. Seems a little hypocritical and stupid.
...don't get me started. VERY hypocrtitical.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
my response also. I have not seen any reports that the Chinese are offended.
The stinkin’ media seems offended more than anyone.
Yeah, that's what I've seen too.
In China, as with most countries in Asia, nobody really cares too much what the stupid Americans do when they are over here.
Why?
‘Cause they are stupid.
The media, on the other hand, is going gangbusters on any possible thing they can find in the hope it may insight something bigger.
Politix!
for a real political issue, see Evans, Cadel. But you won’t hear me complaining about pro-Tibet activism anytime soon.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 6, 2008 8:13 PM EDT reply actions
+1
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 7, 2008 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
This olympics will be more disgusting than usual
Forcing the athletes to apologize for wearing the masks is just an appetizer to the main course, which will be a spectacle of corporate censorship by GE/NBC. Then, of course, we’ll be treated to an endless stream of corporate types kowtowing to the regime. Good times!
Mike has posted on his blog.
"I am only doing what I perceive as best for my health and upcoming competition. I, nor any of the other athletes involved were attempting to make a political statement of any sort. We meant no offense to the great host the Chinese have been and all appreciate the hard work and devotion they’ve displayed to provide this venue. We are honored to be here, and this has been a long time dream. The bottom line is that we are here to compete faster, higher, and stronger while doing so clean, brave, reverent, and courteous trying to represent our country in the best possible way."Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I will continue to wear my mask where I deem fit. It’s my life and health in the long run, and I would never do something that would purposefully or intently harm the best interest or the public view of either my Country or other Countries in attendance.
I understand that the moment chosen to wear the masks directly off the plane may have been poor timing on our behalf. We are aware now of the image it portrayed, but as I stated in the NYTimes, If this had been a city in the US with any significant pollution level that might interfere with athletic performance, I would have done the same thing. Also, keep in mind that it’s not just "pollution" we are worried about, but also getting sick. All the the athletes here are in peak form, and everyone is susceptible to getting easily sick. It’s just a precautionary measure for the best performance come game day."
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
+1
I will continue to wear my mask where I deem fit. It’s my life and health in the long run… Also, keep in mind that it’s not just “pollution” we are worried about, but also getting sick. All the the athletes here are in peak form, and everyone is susceptible to getting easily sick. It’s just a precautionary measure for the best performance come game day.
The article by Selena Roberts...
is instructive about the motivations of the USOC, even if her politics may be a tad reactionary. I think I made this point in an earlier post:
“We accepted an invitation,” said Ueberroth. “We have the ability not to go.”This is a false choice.
And after posting this I'll shut up about it!
Speaking of cross-cultural perspectives, there’s nothing like British fans!
Silly
cherry-picking comments off a message board is NOT journalism. Might be journamalism, but that’s it.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 7, 2008 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
wtf is that?
Seriously… the Washington Post thought that was worth the waste of electrons? If it wasn’t for the good Karma of Chris’ PodiumCafe there are times I’d want to chuck all the fucking routers and web servers in the bin and start over from scratch. What a flagrantly useless bit of drivel that is to put out in the world.
Tim Berners-Lee would puke if he saw that.
(Disclaimer: None of that vitriol is directed at you roadside, but at the insipid editor at the Washington Post that decided to put that online)
I know, it said "als" instead of "ist"... don't give me any crap...
I hope Mike and Bobby kick some ass in the Madison.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
Not a Surprise to me...
that the athletes who expected the air quality to be so bad that a filtration mask was a necessity would experience poor results at these Olympics.
How can you be in the right frame of mind mentally and how could you possibly prepare mentally leading up to the Games if you believe the air quality is going to be so bad as to harm your health and hamper your performance?
The root of the problem is the belief that the organizers were incapable or unwilling to deal with the situation. This belief – in my opinion – is based on a fundamental distrust/dislike of the host nation.
Clearly the air quality was not the issue that many feared. The air has been clean as a result of the actions taken by the Chinese government. This notion as expressed by some here that poor air quality is the result of “years of damage” does not seem to understand that air circulates around the globe and does not stay within boarders in a manner such that there is Chinese Air and American Air.
And to the commenter who asked me “who owns the problem?” I guess we can conclude that it is the athletes that failed to perform under ideal air conditions and the media that blew this issue out of proportion.

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