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Lance Armstrong Comeback: Reactions

"C'est Armstrong."

Reactions to the news that Lance Armstrong will return to professional cycling are flowing in from around the cycling world. Bruyneel, meanwhile, is working with the team managment at Astana to bring Armstrong to the Kazakh team. He called it only "a matter of time."

Run across any good ones? Add them to the comments!

Le Tour de France. We begin with the all-important ASO, who in a press statement today, said that Armstrong would be welcome, providing he follows the necessary rules. Said Christian Prudhomme, "As soon as his team and he himself submit to the rules, concerning notabley doping and anti-doping, of which attitudes have changed very much in the last few years." As long as anti-doping will be a priority, "we will accept him," reiterated the Tour chief. Prudhomme also alluded to the "suspicions" that have accompanied Armstrong's "victories since 1999."

Prudhomme does not expect the American to win an eighth Tour. "I class this return as a challenge. There are very few athletes who succeed in their return in the way of Michael Jordan. It is a true challenge to return after three years away, even if he has finished second in a mountain bike race recently," Prudhomme concluded. He also wondered at Armstrong's age. To be sure, Raymond Poulidor finished 2nd in the Tour at age 38 in 1974 and 3rd in 1976, at age 40, but it is already mid-September, and "the water will flow quickly under the bridge" between now and the Tour start in Monaco.

Other comments, below the fold.

Star-divide

Jan Ullrich. If Lance returns, must I also start again. Seriously: I have not yet thought about it.

Bjarne Riis. When one has already won so many races in a career as he has, one can only only lose by returning.

Carlos Sastre. After three years without competition, it will not be easy. But, that's Armstrong."

Alberto Contador. Me, I open the doors of the team... Armstrong will return at a good level, because he would never imagine doing this if he thought it would go badly. I admire him very much, and I will like to have the chance to work with him.

Denis Leproux, DS, Agritubel. He wants to prove, what? He left, and voilà, now he wants to return. This is bizarre. I find it at the same time a bit ridiculous and sad for cycling. One thing is sure: cycling is not going to give a good image of him in his return to competition.

Marc Madiot, DS, Français des Jeux. That he mobilizes himself for the fight against cancer, that is good. That is good news. Now, that he returns to high level competition, I do not know if that is the best of solutions... This appears to me totally surreal. Let us wait and see, but at the first glance, I do not see how he can win the Tour de France again... But before pretending to win another Tour, it is necessary above all that Lance Armstrong explain what took place in 1999.

Bernard Hinault. Jeannie Longo is still here at nearly 50 years of age, so Lance Armstrong has still all the time before him.... Am I surprised by his return? Yes and no. Yes, in so far as he had quite racing, and no in so far as he will not be the first or the last to attempt a come-back of this type. Now, would he have the capacities to develop further at the highest levels, this I do not know. One should know more at the time of Paris-Nice. Personally, I was never tempted by a come-back in my time: Rather than returning to competition, I think it would be better not to stop.

Jean-René Bernaudeau, DS Bweeg. I do not know what to think. In any case, the come-backs in this style, it is not at all my conception of sport. Me, when I ended my career, I could assure you that I did not want to ride the bike any more, I was used up. Hinault has never done this.... With Armstrong, one has the impression that all is easy: He has stopped for three years, and it will return as if it were nothing. It is not like that, cycling.

Jörg Jaksche. If he returns, he will win the Tour.

Sources, L'Équipe.fr and radsport-news.com.

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David Walsh!

We want to hear what Walsh says! Lance was calling out to him saying he’ll talk to everyone when he comes back.

And Kimmage! Poor Paul. After getting his mojo back with Garmin this’ll kill him.

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 11:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Walsh reacts
“Overall I’m pleased. It will let us decide on what his lasting legacy will truly be. In a rather curious way I’m not at all surprised that Lance has decided to come back. I remember vividly that during his string of Tour wins he said he wouldn’t care about what people thought about him once he’d retired from the sport. ’I’ll be sitting on a beach drinking beers,’ was his response to some of the questions regarding how people viewed him. For me, that didn’t really wash. I was sure that he would care what we (press) and the public would think. Of course many people see him for a great champion and his work for cancer awareness is very laudable. However there are people, and I’d say it’s a growing amount, especially in the US, that don’t see him like that. They look at the allegations that L’Equipe placed on him and I’m sure that Lance has picked up on that swell of opinion. His feeling might be that he didn’t exist the sport in the way that he should have and that by coming back he can perhaps exit cycling in a better light. The sport has changed since he was riding. So whether or not his comeback is good for cycling is a very good question. We all thought that this year’s Tour was a much cleaner race overall. Will Lance’s arrival bring back some of the doubt? I don’t know yet. Cycling is certainly cleaner now, so perhaps Lance feels that he can come back into the sport and compete on a similar level and in a clean way. However what this comeback won’t do is change the perceptions that I have and others have of the achievements he made during that run from 1999 to 2005. We may be able to see if after all if he was the greatest sportsman of all time. I can imagine that he can win the Tour though. That’s going to be the biggest motivation for him.”

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ouch

the high road. Lance must be furious.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 11, 2008 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol, yeah

well-played mr walsh, well-played

by gavia on Sep 11, 2008 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did everyone else read through those quotes

with over-exaggerated voice accents of the quoted? Or is it just the voices in my head?

by itswells on Sep 10, 2008 12:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I did, I did! Though that's probably a bad thing.

Does anyone know if Contador made his remarks while Johan stood off to the side pointing a gun at him?

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 10, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That wasn't a gun

It was bucketfulls of cash.

by ursula on Sep 10, 2008 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like...

“here, Lance doesn’t want his salary…you want it?”

by Hons on Sep 10, 2008 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hehehe

I now have a mental picture of Alberto sitting in a hot tub filled with thousand euro notes as he gave this interview. It all makes sense now.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 10, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mr. Contador... how do you sleep at night...

On top of a pile of money; with many beautiful ladies.

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by crashdan on Sep 10, 2008 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dammit...

… I arrive late at the party with the appropos Youtubery

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by crashdan on Sep 10, 2008 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have indeed missed that one...

but will add it to the list now. That’s some classic Morricone right there…

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by crashdan on Sep 10, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would also recommend...

this… I won’t name it here… but fair warning… some of you might find it a bit racy (definitely PG-13… not R)

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by crashdan on Sep 10, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dammit... rest of the post got cut off...

recommended for the soundtrack!!!!! Not the movie itself!!!!

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by crashdan on Sep 10, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's one of those films

I always had half a mind to track down, but never somehow got round to it. It’s amazing how many turds Morricone worked on.

by Monty. on Sep 10, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've actually never seen it...

… but I’ve had that soundtrack for probably close to 10 years now… I pull it out whenever I need a good cheesy 60’s kick…

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by crashdan on Sep 10, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, Next time

we’ll get you a Schwarzenegger quote too.

by Monty. on Sep 10, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

awesome.

that one’s a keeper :-)

by gavia on Sep 10, 2008 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow - I got mentioned in the same commentary as the Dude

I’m truly honored.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 10, 2008 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Phone's ringin' dude.

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by crashdan on Sep 10, 2008 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you Donny

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 10, 2008 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am the walrus?

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by crashdan on Sep 10, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shut the fuck up Donny!

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 10, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Her life is in your hands Dude.

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by crashdan on Sep 10, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is our concern.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 10, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Her life is in your hands.

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by crashdan on Sep 10, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fantastic!

Sums it up pretty well!

by Veloki on Sep 10, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You forgot one other quote
I am, admittedly, the "ghey-for-armstrong-trekkie-discofanboy" guy. But take allllll that out of it… he WILL draw crowds, and that is good. And if he does it under the auspices of the Astana Rasmus Daamsgaard equivalent, then color me very, very happy.

quote by Crashdan

by cyclingchallenge on Sep 10, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I try to avoid being self-referential...

… I only confuse myself that way. I could also have put

“Yeah! Now I get to buy a new pro kit!” -CyclingChallenge

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by crashdan on Sep 10, 2008 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

yeah but what color?

Or I may wear nothing but Marmottes in 2009?

by cyclingchallenge on Sep 10, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd pay money...

… to see one of your spectacular shots of the alps with you riding through in marmot fur kit… screw wool!

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by crashdan on Sep 10, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Christophe Bassons

he was like the only clean guy in that Festina team (from sporza)

“He makes cycling ridiculous”
Even Christophe Basson, a former cyclist who in 1999 accused Armstrong of doping, is not welcomed. “This is sad. I do not understand this. He is chasing me even a little scared.”

“And furthermore, he will probably go to Astana. That is ridiculous. This comeback Armstrong will certainly not make him bigger, I think.”

by King of Doping on Sep 10, 2008 12:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good one

I think that was also at l’equipe. Somehow I didn’t get him all translated up. Thanks!

by gavia on Sep 10, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who edits this stuff anyway?

heh, apparently the tour starts in monacaco. sigh..

all fixed now :-)

by gavia on Sep 10, 2008 1:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I understand people that might not be excited or interested

but those that are bitter or angry are little people – strange

by cyclingchallenge on Sep 10, 2008 1:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

José Luis Rubiera

José Luis Rubiera (Astana):

“It’s great news for cycling. Armstrong has got the character to do it and he would draw in millions of supporters again. At a sponsorship level, I can’t see it doing anything but good. On one level, you have to ask if it’s possible to come back at 37 to win the Tour. On the other hand, knowing Lance, anything is possible. He won’t be coming back to finish second. […] It would be a very interesting challenge. I was going to quit but I could go on for another year if Lance asked me to do so.”

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 1:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

pretty please, chechu, stay around...

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 10, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

CHECHU!!!

Please stay. :)

by cg. on Sep 10, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMHO, one plus in the come-back column

[Reserving the overall until further reflection]

by dheadrick on Sep 10, 2008 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you referring to LA? or Chechu?

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 11, 2008 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alberto Contador
“I’m focused on winning the Tour of Spain but of course I would welcome him to the team. Assuming I race the Tour de France next year, it will be to try and win it.”

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 1:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Now THAT... is the juicy morsel I've been waiting for...

It’ll be like The Doctor, The Tornado and the Kentucky Kid…

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by crashdan on Sep 10, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carlos Sastre
“Just seeing Lance Armstrong on television makes my hair stand on end. Armstrong is in love with this sport. It will be tough for him to come back but if that’s the case it’s because he thinks he can do something.”

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 1:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Victor Cordero
“Personally, I don’t believe in these sorts of comebacks. Beyond that, I prefer not to comment.”

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 1:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Translation:

“Will he just shut up already! We’re having a hard time as it is to make people stay tuned for hour after hour of burnt-macchia-scenery without him hogging the attention.”

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Sep 10, 2008 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

from the younger set

Mark Cavendish:

Rising star Cavendish, 23, from Great Britain, said Armstrong’s return gives him the opportunity to ride with a childhood hero. “When I was starting cycling, that was the start of his domination of the Tour de France,” he said. “It was quite special. I don’t often get star-struck, but that might be one of the times.”

Thomas Dekker:*

“It will be good for the international cycling seen as a racer as he gives the sport still more prestige and respect. I am convinced that he still is capable of winning the Tour. Because Lance Armstrong is an exceptional rider.”

*Will someone please give this boy a job?

by majope on Sep 10, 2008 1:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rock Racing!

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 10, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you her Gavia.

Even Boogerd has a reaction.

Boogerd kan het fietsen moeilijk missen Maakt na Lance Armstrong ook Michael Boogerd zijn rentree? De eind vorig jaar gestopte Boogerd verbaasde vandaag zijn gehoor tijdens de Vuelta-presentatie in Assen. Spreekstalmeester Herbert Dijkstra vroeg hem in het licht van de rentree van Armstrong of Boogerd een Vuelta-start in 2009 kon uitsluiten. Zijn antwoord: ,,Zeg nooit nooit." ,,Ik zit de laatste tijd niet zo lekker in mijn vel en zit weer veel op de fiets. Ik merk dat het toch is wat ik het liefste doe. Als Lance me nou in de ploeg zou vragen…"

Can u translate it?

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Sep 10, 2008 1:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Translation?

I think it says something about Lance not having as good teeth as Boogerd

by cyclingchallenge on Sep 10, 2008 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good one!

In the absence of Gavia, I ran it through Google Translate. I believe Boogie was asked if he would consider coming back, and his reply is “Never say never.” Gavia (or someone), can you confirm?

Maybe Lance should start his own team: Team Old Guard, and duke it out with the young up-and-comers next July.

by majope on Sep 10, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

l'ouch!

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by crashdan on Sep 10, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go Team

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by crashdan on Sep 10, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAH!

I’d like “Penis Mightier” for 200 Aleksh.

by itswells on Sep 10, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking exactly the same thing...

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by crashdan on Sep 10, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty good job

But I don’t like the idea. Please let the young generation do his job! I know they wish they were their now but it’s past. Get over it and consider Golf or something! Don’t take this challenge

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Sep 10, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok a pre-translation. Gavia willd do the perfect one.

Boogerd finfd it hard to let go the cycling. Afte Lance he is planning his comeback? Boogerd, how quitted last year, has surprised everyone due teh presentation of the Vuelta in Assen. Herbert Dijkstra, a bad but sometimes funny guy how talks and talks crap in the live broadcast (this was a comment of the translater himself!) asked him if he would get bake on his back during the Vuelta start 2009? His answer: “Never say never.”. “I don’t feel verry happy lately and that’s wherefore I’m back on my bike again. I feel this is the thing I like most. If Lance ask me for his squad….”

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Sep 10, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More Boogerd?

The difference is, Lance is uber-confident and insatiably competitive. Boogerd is more normal — he can hear his own doubts.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 10, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LA and the LHC

Matthew Fishbane‘s da:

It [the eight billion cost of the LHC] hasn’t matched the price of getting Botox shots. Lance Armstrong’s gonna earn about 8 billion, now, right? Do you know how many times the candidates mentioned science in their acceptance speeches? Obama, once, in passing. McCain, nunce.

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 1:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Paul Kimmage

Will be on Newstalk 106 here in Ireland within the hour. http://www.newstalk.ie and I think they’re streaming.

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 2:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

will type his comments up later

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting to see how this transcript is spreading across cycling blogs and bulletin boards. Kimmage was on again earlier this week, may post a transcript of it if I get some time.

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by fmk on Sep 26, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kimmage Transcript ... flame on

A rough transcript of that Kimmage interview. Just the answers as the interviewer is such an arse. The usual editing you’d do for clarity and kindness. Any tpyos are mine. Kimmage doesn’t talk tpyos.

My reaction … I’m reminded of that memorable scene in The Shawshank Redemption, where Andy crawled through a giant pipe of steaming excrement in order to escape to freedom. That’s how I feel right now about Armstrong’s come back. I feel like we’ve been dragged through this pile of steaming excrement. And the enthusiasm that I had built up about the sport in the last couple of years has been all but completely wiped out in the last couple of hours.
Let’s turn the clock back to Armstrong’s last apparition in the sport. The Tour de France 2005. He’s standing on the podium. And he makes this big impassioned speech. Which is basically saying ‘The last thing I’ll say to the people who don’t believe in cycling, the cynics, the sceptics: I’m sorry for you. I’m sorry you can’t dream big. I’m sorry you don’t believe in miracles.’ That was 2005, his last ride in the the Tour de France. And the people flanking him on that podium were Ivan Basso and Jan Ullrich. And a month after that race ended the French newspaper L’Equipe reported that in his first winning Tour de France, in 1999, Armstrong had tested positive for EPO. Six separate samples taken during that race revealed positive tests for EPO.
This return, he wants us to believe that it’s all about saving the world from cancer. That’s complete bullshit. It’s about revenge It’s about ego. It’s about Lance Armstrong. I think he’s trying to rewrite his exit from the sport. He’s sat back and he’s watched the last two years and he cannot stand the idea that there are clean cyclists now that will overtake his legacy and buy the memory of all the crap that he put the sport through.
When I heard it being mooted first that he was coming back, I thought well that’s fine, because the first thing ASO are going to say is ‘sorry Lance, we’ve seen your results from the 1999 tests , you’re not coming back.’ I expected a similar statement from Pat McQuaid. What’s happened instead is that Christian Prudhomme has said ‘yes, you can come back, no problem.’ And Pat McQiad has said ‘I really admire this man, he’s a tremendous ambassador for cycling.’ What we’re getting here is the corporate dollars and the money that’s going to accompany this guy back into the game. The money that’s going to bring for Nike, one of the big sponsors of the Tour. And for the UCI, who have been experiencing some serious problems in the last couple of years.
Much as you want to say the sport has changed, as quickly as they can change their own opinions – McQuaid, who says one thing in private and quite the opposite in public, and Prudhomme – if they can change so quickly then I’m sorry, it’s really very, very difficult to have any optimism with regard to Armstrong and the way the sport was moving forward. For me, if he comes back next year, the sport takes two steps back.
I spent the whole Tour this year with Slipstream, the Garmin team. That wasn’t by accident. I chose that team deliberately, because of what they were saying about the sport and the message they were putting out. But also the fact that so many of that team had raced with Armstrong during his best years and knew exactly what he got up to. And the stuff that I learnt on that Tour about him and what he was really like was absolutely shocking, really shocking.
What’s going to happen now is he comes back and everybody’s going to wave their hands in the air and give him a big clap. And all the guys who really know what he’s about are going to feel so utterly and totally depressed. And I’m talking about Jonathan Vuaghthers, who raced with Armstrong that first winning Tour and who doped. And if you look at that Tour, Armstrong’s first win, there were seven Americans on that team. Frankie Andreu has said he used EPO. Tyler Hamilton has been done for [blood doping]. George Hincapie was exposed as a doper by Emma O’Reilly, the team soigneur. Christian Vand Velde and Jonathan Vaughters … both are members of Slipstream and would promote the notion that this was not a clean team by any means. When you look at that and what Armstrong’s done and how he’s seemingly got away with it, it just makes his come back very hard to stomach.
Astana’s the absolute perfect team for him. He’d be renewing his old acquaintance with Bruyneel, who wanted to hire Basso last year. Will he be renewing his old acquaintance with Ferrari, the famous doctor? Will Bruyneel be taking pictures of the questioning journalists and pinning them on the side of his bus?
When Armstrong talks about transparency, this is the greatest laugh. When he talks about embracing this new transparency … I’m really looking forward to that. I’m really looking forward to my first interview request with him and seeing how that comes back. Because that would really make it interesting.
This guy, any other way but his bullying and intimidation wrapped up in this great cloak, the great cancer martyr … this is what he hides behind all the time. The great man who conquered cancer. Well he is the cancer in this sport. And for two years this sport has been in remission. And now the cancer’s back.

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Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Solid gold, baby

24 fucking carat…

by Jimbo... on Sep 10, 2008 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm late to this party...

but i’ll buy Kimmage a pint.

and +1 to jimbo:

Solid gold, baby

24 fucking carat…

by nicknorco on Sep 10, 2008 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

both to Kimmage, and also to your doing such a stellar job with the reactions today.

by Sui Juris on Sep 10, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some of them I was looking for for myself. I have this big word doc with all sorts of cycling stuff in it I’d forget and not be able to find again even with Google.

The Kimmage stuff… I just knew he’d take it bad. Can’t wait for Walsh to speak. Some good stuff in it though. The Nike comment. Calling Vaughters a doper. Hanging back on saying CVV doped. The cancer line is funny, cause I actually used that one myself years ago.

I’m not so negative about the comeback as Kimmage is. There are up-sides, even if you hate LA. It’d def good for anti-doping, will force others to post their results / implement Team Clean plans.

But if LA is going to be transparent about his future tests … why not authorise the UCI to release all his previous tests? Transparency should work both ways, back and forward. If he was ‘the most tested athlete in the whole history of the ever ever’ then there’s enough to do a half-decent longitudinal analysis of him. Though the most tested line didn’t even add up to a couple dozen tests in 2004. And it’s a peace o’ cake to work out when most of them were.

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

That was intense stuff from kimmage. I’ve always respected his unwillingness to pull his punches. I don’t like his writing style – just a quirk, it tends to be a bit over the top, but that’s him. But I do like his honesty, though I don’t always agree with it all – he says what he thinks.

Vaughters has all but admitted in his various interviews, so I doubt he’ll sue ;-)

Vandevelde is an interesting one. When Frankie Andreu decided to “come out” in the New York Times, there was an ex- rider from US Postal, who was quoted anonymously to the effect that everyone on the team did what Andreu did. The NYT did say this rider was still riding. Not saying it was Vandevelde, but my own view is, that it very likely was, based upon the context and upon what was said.

Thanks for all that typing. One wonders what Ressiot will say. He did, after all, write the ’99 samples article.

by gavia on Sep 10, 2008 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing that gets me about Kimmage is his squeezing in of a pop cult ref. LotR in that great Times piece at the end of the Tour. TSR here. Doesn’t often work for me.

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

He really needs a good editor. I think that’s what bugs me, he’s a little too self-indulgent as a writer. More Ristretto, Paul, ristretto.

by gavia on Sep 10, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the ex- rider from US Postal

Did the NYT say that he was still riding or just that he was still in the sport? I thought that it was the latter and that everyone took that to mean Vaughters.

by Monty. on Sep 10, 2008 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ditto.

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

didn't vaughters

go on the record in that interview? i thought he did.

by gavia on Sep 10, 2008 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As far as I know

he’s never gone on the record. A couple of other people have outed him, including, I think, David Walsh in the long interview he did for for competitors’ radio, and he hasn’t bothered to deny it, but he says nothing on camera.

by Monty. on Sep 10, 2008 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

right

I meant, that Vaughters was quoted in that article by name – not that he confirmed anything – and that there was additionally another anonymous rider. I remember the quote being something almost flippant like all the cool kids were doing it, or everyone was doing it, so why not? I dunno, sorry , it was forever ago and I read it on paper.

I’ll resist the urge to delete my original on this. Since I’ve now completely confused myself.

by gavia on Sep 10, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You may be right

I used to think of this stuff as the past, I stopped caring, do I really have to go through it all again?

by Monty. on Sep 10, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

right there with ya

Which is why my memory is going all sideways on it.

Eh, at this point, the deets aren’t really that important. You probably have your opinion fairly well established by now. Not much point in revisiting it, is it?

by gavia on Sep 10, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kimmage interview with Vaughers where he admits it (sort of):

 I wonder, to get Jonathan Vaughters mad?

I’m trying my best. The interview has entered its fifth hour and the discussion has turned to his experiences of doping.

"Did you have any first-hand experience of doping in the States?" I ask.

"No, not in the US," he replies.

"Not at all?"

"No, racing in the States is much less . . . I mean half the guys you are racing against have full-time jobs. You know? It is much, much less demanding."

"What about when you joined the US Postal Service team in 1998?"

"In ’98? Why do you need to know that?" he laughs.

"I need to know when you witnessed it first-hand," I explain. "I’m asking whether it was in ’98 that you witnessed it first-hand."

"I know," he laughs. "And I am asking you: Why do you need to know that?"

"I would have thought it was a logical extension of what we have been talking about."

"Well, no," he disagrees. "Essentially, you are leading me down a path where I end up having to answer questions that I can’t back out of."

"I’m not leading you down any path," I counter. "I’m trying to explain how you founded Team Clean. I am asking you about your experiences of doping in cycling."

"No, that’s totally understandable," he concedes.

"I’m not asking you anything I didn’t ask Greg LeMond."

"No, of course, and I wouldn’t expect that. I guess I would just say that my time at US Postal Service was . . . I kind of almost have to leave that as a ‘No comment’. And you can take that however you would like."

"Okay, fine. You are painting me a picture and I’m reading between the lines."

"And you’re welcome to read between the lines," he says. "I’m completely okay with that."

"My perception is that you doped."

"You’re an intelligent person," he smiles. "So your perception is . . . [laughs]"

"I want a ‘yes’ or a ‘no’."

"I know you want a ‘yes’ or a ‘no’."

"I want to know: Did you dope? I want to know: Why did you dope? And I want to know how you felt about doping?"

"And what I will tell you is that people are free to make the judgments they want out of my cycling career," he insists.

"Jonathan, I don’t understand what your problem is here," I reply, exasperated. "It’s a valid question. I’m not going to walk away from it."

"I’m not asking you to walk away from it," he says. "I can see that you are trying to establish a background and that’s fine but what I’m saying is that I’m just not going to talk about it and that’s it. You can take that however you want."

I take it badly. He doesn’t flinch. Later that evening, I’m venting my frustrations to his wife, Alisa, at dinner when she suddenly makes sense of him. "The thing you have to remember about Jonathan," she smiles, "is that he’s the son of an attorney.

by humbug1 on Sep 10, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

here’s the link

One of the two teammates who admitted using EPO while on Armstrong’s United States Postal Service team is Frankie Andreu […] The other rider who said he used EPO spoke on condition of anonymity because he said he did not want to jeopardize his job in cycling<./blockquote>

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

huh.

my memory sucks sometimes. sorry.

by gavia on Sep 10, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how can Kimmage

hail Garmin and Vaughters and even Millar , but yet slam Astana, LA and even Hincapie, without any solid proof?

by Bruce Suomi on Sep 10, 2008 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s not ‘slammed’ Hincapie. Just said he was a junkie.

How can he defend Vaughters and even Millar … well he’s only recently taken to accepting that Millar isn’t all bad. And that’s mostly because of how he’s working toward a clean sport. Slamming LA … what’s LA actually done for a clean sport? Chased down and scared off those who speak out.

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and he has proof that Hincapie

was a junkie???

Still waiting for the evidence and/or the failed dope test……

If you call me a junkie that is slamming for me since I’m not a junkie.

by Bruce Suomi on Sep 10, 2008 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s quoting Emma O’Reilly.

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you said it...
what’s LA actually done for a clean sport? Chased down and scared off those who speak out.

by nicknorco on Sep 10, 2008 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a big fan of dropping eff bombs online, but...

holy fucking shit man that is some tasty meat he threw to the masses. I’m firmly planted on Kimmage’s side of the fence on the “did he/didn’t he” questions, but cripes man, it sounds like he has has gone full-on tilt.

Bruce is right. He sounds a tad hypocritical and judgmental on ex-dopers he now loves versus ex-dopers that he wants to crucify.

And the “cancer martyr” bit, give me a fucking break kimmage. Blast him all you want, but to say he “hides” behind cancer and to mock his overcoming cancer is about the most classless thing one can do.

And then to feign disgust over how this is all about “money” and “Nike.” It’s professional sports Kimmage. It’s always about money.

In this one interview, I have gone from thinking fairly highly of Kimmage to thinking he’s the crotch goblin of the week.

by PopUp Rolen on Sep 10, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it sounds like he has has gone full-on tilt.

That’s actually par for the course for his Newstalk interviews.

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bradley Wiggins

This from the man who thinks the peloton is going slow enough even for someone like him to win a stage:

I just think it’s fantastic, you know, a champion like that before retirement, he obviously feels he can still win at the top level.

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dave Brailsford
Does he need to do it? I can’t see what he’s got to gain, to be honest. I think his record’s there, he’s got legendary status and all he can do is go downhill. So, on a personal note, I think he should keep his wheels hung up and look at what else he may be able to do to support cycling.

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"all he can do is go downhill"...

… unless he wins.

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by crashdan on Sep 10, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what Dave said...

i think it’s a polite Welsh way of saying “piss off, mate”…

by nicknorco on Sep 10, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jonathan Vaughters
He’s opened himself up to a transparent anti-doping policy. So it can only be good for he the sport. If he’s opening all the results of his drug testing and he does get the same results as he did a few years ago that’s perfect, isn’t it?

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 2:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In a word...

Yes, Jonathan, yes.

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by crashdan on Sep 10, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Translation:

“No way a f***ing 39 year old without his medicine wins the Tour, it’s just not possible. When he tries and fails , then I can make a shitload of gracious remarks that anyone with half a brain will interpret as "I told you so, the old juicer couldn’t win clean” "

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Sep 10, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha!

the translations in this thready are truly brilliant.

by gavia on Sep 10, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

absolutely

It will be interesting to see how Lance performs without the help of Ferrari, and under intense medical scrutiny.

by KevinK on Sep 10, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sally Jenkins

(his ghost writer)

"Lance’s enemies and critics, who are legion, will sneer that his accomplishments were dope-fueled and that his comeback is vanity-driven, and even some of his admirers will question whether it’s sensible to try to add to his record of seven Tour de France victories after three years away from the bike. But the fact is that cancer and improbable odds are the keys to his fierce personality, they’re what propelled him over 2,300 miles and up mountainsides in the first place. ‘Watch, I’m gonna win it again,’ he said, after the first one. ‘Know why? ‘Cause everyone says I can’t.’ "

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Enemies?

This is a cyclist, not Idi Amin. He doesn’t have people who wish to bump him off.

Jesus, get a fucking grip.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 10, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Idi had just lost some weight

he would have been a real threat in the cobbled classics.

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Sep 10, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he’d have eaten the opposition up.

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Idi Amin - The Real Cannibal

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 10, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gee

Stockholm syndrome, anyone?

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 10, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a little creepy

He’s always struck me as an angry, me against the world sort of rider. One of the main reasons I find him so off-putting.

by gavia on Sep 10, 2008 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

That is why I just can’t feel “the guy loves the sport” comments. He might love competing IN the sport, but that’s a very different thing than loving the sport. Greg Lemond (for all of his other off putting characteristics) loves the sport. Bettini loves the sport. Lance loves himself.

by Sui Juris on Sep 10, 2008 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

It isn’t about the sport, really. It’s about settling some score he has with the world. Again, for me, very off-putting. All the doping blah blah aside, I’ve just never been drawn to the guy at all.

by gavia on Sep 10, 2008 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, he has his moments.

I loved him that day into Limoges, after Casartelli’s death. I remember that week trying to explain to my father that this was why I loved cycling so much, even knowing about doping and buying and selling races, that it had it’s own rules about honour. And LA that day into Limoges showed the sport at its best.

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Discussing Uganda

I wonder if Sally and Lance discussed Uganda.. I’m sure he was open and honest with her but is she his type? How does she compare to doughnut grease?

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by fmk on Sep 11, 2008 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Phil Anderson

“It’s sad for guys like Cadel [Evans]. Lance is at another league. Everybody will have to get so much better — that’s if he comes back as the old Lance. I don’t believe Cadel can beat him if he comes back anyway near as he was. I can believe at this stage that is what they are saying, but I wouldn’t be surprised if at the last minute [they say], ‘Oh yeah … something’s come up … my shoes don’t fit. I won’t be able to do it this year or something.’”

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 2:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If he's got a pronlem with shoes

Rasmussen could get new ones delivered for him.

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

Indeed, good man for shoes, that Rasmussen.

Love the blunt Aussie style on Phil Anderson too. Great quote there.

by gavia on Sep 10, 2008 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bob Stapleton

“He can be polarising. There may be a different view in Europe about this than in the US. It’s a provocative issue.”

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 2:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah, Bob?

He’s universally polarizing, not just in Europe. Get a fucking clue.

Ok, now I’m started to get irritated like I swore I wouldn’t.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 10, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're being very unDuuuude.

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 10, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look Man, I've had a rough day. And I really hate the Eagles.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 10, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

por que

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 10, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cause they merdered a Tom Waits song, that’s por que.

They deserve de-feathering, having oranges rammed up their arses and then baked in an oven for four hours.

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, for this season i like's them...

of course, that could have something to do with the fact that three eagles are getting me bukoo fantasy football pts

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 10, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

65yd Donald Driver touchdown pass called back...

… for ineligible receiver downfield… meaning the Viking’s line broke down and a GB OFL stumbles through by accident… what kind of bullshit is that. Die Sackratten wind up losing the game by 2 points.

I hate football.

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 10, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummmm......my quote wasn't sports related.

It was Lebowski related. Sorry for causing any undo upset.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 10, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah,

that was a weird thread morph there.

by itswells on Sep 10, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stream of conciousness baby...

… just go with it…

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 10, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, since i've never seen the movie....

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 10, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please don't ever mention that game again.

Or the last 4 losses in a row to that evil team for that matter.

by plinytheelder on Sep 10, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just breathe deeply

and go for a nice ride lates.

agree though, he isn’t just polarizing in Europe. Sheesh, has Stapleton ever read a cycling forum? Dude needs to get out a little.

by gavia on Sep 10, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One interesting aspect to these quotes

is – as detailed in the Book “Tour de Force” – that Armstrong spends a lot of time reading the news about him and watching who says what. It motivates him and he does hold grudges.

by cyclingchallenge on Sep 10, 2008 2:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well if he is reading the news I hope he;s reading it here.

(Do I get a PC tee for saying that? Please? Pretty please? With a cherry on the top?)

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure

stop by our Cafe Press store, and 16 bucks later, it’s all yours!

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 10, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bah ...

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

very well documented. which is why vaughters is oh-so-diplomatic with his comments.

by gavia on Sep 10, 2008 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Libération (Paris)'s coverage...

…at this point consists almost entirely of an interview with Gérard Dine, “doctor and doping specialist” (!!!). His claim: due to the dispute between the UCI and ASO, and the consequent lack of systematic controls outside the races, Armstrong could be “clean” during the race, but have doped all the way through his training. Dine consequently wants to “take advantage of Armstrong’s return to put into place a ‘biological passport.’” Don’t know that that means…

As far as the tour organizers not letting him in: “The Tour de France is the image of France in the world. How could they not invite a hero of the struggle against cancer?”

Very muted coverage at Le Monde, nothing other than what is already known.

by plinytheelder on Sep 10, 2008 2:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Robbie Ventura

(a former USPS rider)

“Physically, Lance can definitely do it,. The hardest part will be to go back to the mental discipline of training, eating and sleeping with 110 percent commitment. Snapping your brain back into a mode of being perfect all the time is difficult. If Lance was trying to win the [track] match sprint, I would say, `No way.’ But the Tour de France isn’t about that. It’s about endurance. It’s about efficiency. And that can grow as you get older.”

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 2:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good point

’bout the routine of training. not ezactly partying in malibu.

by gavia on Sep 10, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Andy Sparks
“Lance is a different beast. And you know he wouldn’t be signing up for this if he wasn’t confident about not embarrassing his legacy.”

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William Hill

The bookies already have him at 3-1 to win Le Tour.

“We are offering a price offering a stakes refund if Lance doesn’t take part, because at this stage it is unclear just how seriously he intends to take his comeback and not impossible that it could all be a cunning plan to help publicise his charity. However, plenty of Armstrong fans are happy to back him on that basis.”

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 2:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Samuel Sanchez
“[Armstrong’s return is] good news for cycling. [He] is well capable of winning the Tour again.”

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 2:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oscar Freire
“Age is not an impediment – he is a stubborn racer and when he gets it into his head he has the force of personality to do it.”

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El País (Madrid): Contador, Valverde

Contador:

It’s true that if we both want to win the Tour a complication could arise, but that’s something about which, at the proper time, we’d have to weigh all the different factors. We don’t have to think about that right now.

Valverde (this one’s awesome):

It’s surprising since he’s already won the tour 7 times. As a cyclist I don’t understand it, but every person is a world unto himself and he can do what he wants.

by plinytheelder on Sep 10, 2008 2:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like this Valverde quote
“…with him and Contador, Astana would be a super team.”

Would be? Last time I checked the Vuelta standings, dude, they were doing pretty well.

by majope on Sep 10, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Translation:

“Dear god let it happen. With them infighting I might have a chance to win the Tour.”

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Sep 10, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Touché!

Am I the only one thinking the best historical parallel here is Hinault-Lemond?

by plinytheelder on Sep 10, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but who’s the bitch? Not the American this time round, that’s for sure. Lance has to be on top.

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm...

…tough to say, Contador (as opposed to Lemond that first year) already has a Tour under his belt, more recently than LA, and would have been the favourite to win again this year…

by plinytheelder on Sep 10, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

but they finished 1-2. So who’s really complaining?

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 10, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to get all Run-DMC

but they both got paid.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 10, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well here's this hilarious comment from...

…Rouleur magazine’s interview with Lemond:

Interviewer: Has Hinault forgiven you? Do you speak?

Lemond: Oh no.

Then again, I think they’d both agree that my adidas only bring good news!

by plinytheelder on Sep 10, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

El País (continued): Sastre

Sastre:

At the moment I’m not thinking about whether he’ll be a rival next year. I’ll think about it next year, depending on how he’s doing at that point in the season. […] His chances won’t depend only on himself but on the team he has around him.

by plinytheelder on Sep 10, 2008 2:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So how do the French Public feel?

Poll on a French Web site with over 5000 votes www.orange.fr

Not the greatest questions but the message of the results are clear:

Roughly translated:
What is your reaction to the grand return of Lance?
    

5 Percent: This decision will create a huge shock in the Peleton
(Cette décision va créer un véritable choc dans le peloton)
     
68 percent . With all the Doping Supsicious against him, this return is not good news for cycling (Avec tous les soupçons de dopage à son encontre, ce retour n’est pas une bonne nouvelle pour le cyclisme.)

2 Percent He is abve all invested in a mission to sensitize public opinion against the plague of cancer (Il se sent avant-tout investi d’une mission: sensibiliser l’opinion du public au fléau du cancer.)
      
8 Percent He is taking a big risk announcing at 37 to want to agin win the TdF (Il prend un gros risque en annonçant à 37 ans vouloir encore remporter le Tour de France en 2009.)
   
4 Percent His thirst to win and his competitive spirit are so strong that he couldn’t tsay retired any longer (Sa soif de vaincre et son esprit de compétition sont tellement forts qu’il ne pouvait pas rester plus longtemps à la retraite.)
      
14 Percent If he refinds his form, his competition have some worrying to do. ( S’il retrouve son niveau, la concurrence a du souci à se faire.)

by cyclingchallenge on Sep 10, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

about what i'd expect

from a French poll (that isn’t a criticism, just a statement, by the way). Gazzetta had a poll, but the questions weren’t especially revealing – something more along the lines of do you think he can return, rather than what is your reaction.

by gavia on Sep 10, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Polls and their statistics reflect their targeted audience and the nature of the questions asked

From what I’ve seen on Podium Cafe, those that doubt his stated cancer awareness ambitions tend to say that the “thirst to win” motivation is the deciding factor. That only got 4% on this poll.

The 68% response saying that “this return is not good news for cycling” does not, by itself, factor in whether any respondent to this poll would be in favor of Lance returning under the blood-passport testing conditions.

Too political! Next survey, please.

by dheadrick on Sep 10, 2008 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tom Boonen
“Why is everybody so impressed? I’m surprised in a way that I don’t know what he’s got to win from it. If somebody feels like racing just let him race. [But] I wouldn’t do it, I think.”

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 2:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Greg van Avermaet
“He has to know by himself whether he wants to come back. But I think for his career it’s better to stay [out], to quit with it.”

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 2:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

spoken by a young rider...

of the new generation showing great promise, who is not in a position to have to do any pandering…

by nicknorco on Sep 11, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Levi Leipheimer
“I don’t want to talk about it.”

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if this is what Levi meant.

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t wanna talk about it, how you broke my heart . . .

by Sui Juris on Sep 10, 2008 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that one a real quote?

Or the mean face, foot stomping quote?

by cg. on Sep 10, 2008 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if this is really what he said...

he said alot in few words and i’m suddenly feeling a glimmer of liking for Levi…

by nicknorco on Sep 11, 2008 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Davide Rebellin
“He has the same age as me, so for him to do such a thing is quite a nice thing. He has always trained when he needed to and done the necessary regimes. I know him well and how he is. He’ll do all he needs to get the results.”

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh Davide , that didn't come out to good................

It’s not kosher to “do all he needs to get the results” anymore. Didn’t you get the memo?

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Sep 10, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

El País (continued): Bruyneel

Bruyneel:

I’ve spoken with Contador, who is the best, and I’ve told him the news of Armstrong’s return, we have all the confidence in the world in Alberto and with respect to Lance we’ll have to see.

Bruyneel, on LA riding for Astana:

I spoke to Lance yesterday and at the moment nothing is decided. He wants to ride for free, without pay, and he’ll have no problems finding a team, but our relationship is clear: I won’t allow him to ride for another team.

Bruyneel, on LA’s future performance:

It’s unknown not only because of his age but also the years he’s been outside of competition, I know he’s raced, that he’s ridden his bike outside the world of professional cycling. He’s very motivated but we have to be realistic. I liked very much the reasons he gave me for his decision to return.

by the way here’s the url:

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/deportes/Bienvenido/sea/elpepudep/20080910elpepudep_10/Tes

by plinytheelder on Sep 10, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

can't see Bert Velasco lining up to support him.

yeah he is young, but to give up a chance to win the tour does not make sense – not with what is at stake. While the Giro and Vuelta are admirable to ride and win, they ain’t the tour, no matter how hard Bert has convinced himself of that fact.

by humbug1 on Sep 10, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where do you find skank quotes?

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Sep 10, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he asked his sister and momma :)

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

How much did you pay Jens to set that up for you?

by majope on Sep 10, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just gave him my sister’s phone number

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Die Zeit...

…isn’t completely up to date content-wise but has the best headline: “Lance Armstrong, a comeback that many fear”!

http://www.zeit.de/online/2008/37/armstrong-comeback?page=1

by plinytheelder on Sep 10, 2008 3:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ASO aint opening the door very wide

The quotes have quite a bit reading between the lines in them like:

Prudhomme told The Associated Press that Armstrong and his team must follow all the drug-testing rules “that are much more strict than they were before.”

What does he mean his team? Astana follows Ramsgaard, no? I will say I have seen no data like I have for the other three teams with exception of Gusev getting canned, but with no data.

Prudhomme:

“Suspicion has followed Lance Armstrong since 1999, everyone knows that,”

And


“All the Tour riders, and Lance Armstrong if that is the case, they will have to submit to rules that were harder than they were before, because it is necessary,”

Does anyone think that retroactive tests will be required for his participation?

by humbug1 on Sep 10, 2008 3:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No.

Retroactive tests would turn the Tour record books into a complete joke if* any of Lance’s victories were undone. The yellow jersey would be sliding onto the backs of breakaway beneficiaries and third-tier podium hopefuls, because so many of the top ten riders those years have been tainted.

*Lance has not tested positive. The presumption is, therefore, that he deserves to retain his wins.

by Softie on Sep 10, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Prudhomme's language leaves know doubt about Astana exclusion...

this year because of Produhomme’s deep suspicion against Armstrong.

by Ron... on Sep 10, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Retro tests … no. First and foremost, the science hasn’t been proved. Has in fact been picked apart.

Would ASO block LA … very hard to with them having to bend the knee to Nike.

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by fmk on Sep 10, 2008 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Retro tests are a bad idea

First, from Lance’s perspective, it’s too risky. There are too many people that have a personal stake in seeing positive tests. There are also enough doubts in the chain-of-custody, reliability of tests, and time-since-tested to make retrospective testing a bad idea. Second, from the organization’s perspective, testing past samples would be against the established rules of professional cycling. If the establishment wishes to do so, then a “prospective” rule needs to be applied to catch future riders. You can’t retrospectively re-write the rules, or else the entire system fails. Third, subjecting past winners as far back as 1999 (i.e., almost ten years ago) to retrospective testing would endlessly embroil the professional cycling community in a battle over whether each winner won cleanly. At some point, the cycling community needs to call the winner “the winner” and move on.

by dheadrick on Sep 11, 2008 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

in Portugal

the tvnews spoke again (about 5 times this year) about cycling, about Lance Armstrong rerturns. At least the reason wasn’t doping…

by semprenaroda on Sep 10, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Riis grins,

LA would be very welcome to CSC if he wanted to……..

by Bruce Suomi on Sep 10, 2008 7:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Unibet odds

this article earlier today had Armstrong at 16:1, but now directly at their site I see they’ve upped Lance to 5:1

Contador Velasco, A 3.25
Armstrong, L 5.00
Evans, C 8.00
Schleck, Andy 8.50
Sastre, C 9.00
Klöden, A 15.00
Kohl, B 16.00
Menchov, D 16.00
Gesink, R 18.00
Valverde, A 18.00

by guidemd on Sep 10, 2008 11:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chris Boardman
“My guess is that he’s struggling with the cold turkey after being top of the world in cycling. Suddenly you’re out in the real world – what are you going to do with the rest of your life? Sportsmen who have retired can look back through rose-coloured spectacles and forget how hard it was, how small some of the differences were. It’s almost sad in some ways. You can’t spend your whole life being a beauty queen – it’ll start to fade. There are other things in life. At some point, you have to move on.”

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by fmk on Sep 11, 2008 5:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh, man

some of these quotes are just so freakin’ funny. beauty queen, ha!

I do think that the comments from the retired riders are the most interesting, though, overall.

by gavia on Sep 11, 2008 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally. So many of them are keepers.

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by fmk on Sep 11, 2008 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

more reactions

Adri van Houwelingen

“In my opinion it’s impossible to win. It’s impossible to come back on the level he had before.”

Jose Luis Rubiera

“Armstrong has got the character to do it and he would draw in millions of supporters again.”

Davide Rebellin

“On one level, you have to ask if it’s possible to come back at 37 to win the Tour. On the other hand, knowing Lance, anything is possible. He won’t be coming back to finish second.”

Roger Hammond

“Cycling is never easy and to win the Tour is never easy, but he’s definitely not over the hill and he’s still a very good athlete. He’s got the experience of winning seven Tours so he knows what it takes. OK, 37 is getting old. But I know a rider [Italian Fabio Baldato] who was 39 and in the top 10 of the Paris-Roubaix this year, which is one of the toughest one-day races in the world.”

Jim Ochowicz

“He didn’t just lay around on the couch and watch TV for the last couple of years. He has been out doing marathons and riding a lot of long-distance charity rides, so he’s had to stay in pretty good shape to do those things on a regular basis. When he sets his mind to doing something he gets it done. He obviously believes he can win again. He doesn’t make these kind of decisions idly.”

Davide Rebellin

“From the moment he starts training, he’ll be on his way to competing. I know how him well and how he is. He’ll do all he needs to get the results. If he returns, he’ll surely be competitive.”

Sean Yates

“He has made it clear that he misses the camaraderie of the bike team. When you’re part of a team your part of a close-knit group.”

Alejandro Valverde

“As a cyclist, I don’t understand it. But everybody is their own person and can do what they want. It seems surprising to me, after having left cycling and even more so after having won seven Tours, but if he is fit and hasn’t lost his form then he will be welcomed back.”

Carlos Sastre

“I imagine that he’s studied everything and he will have looked at the pros and cons. If he’s done that, then it’s fine with me.”

David Millar

“It seems a bit ambitious. I am very surprised because I was fairly sure he had put cycling behind him and he was moving on with his life. Lance has proven in the past he can do almost anything. It sounds totally off the wall at first, but that’s the sort of person Lance is.”

Chris Boardman

“My guess is that he’s struggling with the cold turkey after being top of the world in cycling. Suddenly you’re out in the real world – what are you going to do with the rest of your life? Sportsmen who have retired can look back through rose-coloured spectacles and forget how hard it was, how small some of the differences were. It’s almost sad in some ways. You can’t spend your whole life being a beauty queen – it’ll start to fade. There are other things in life. At some point, you have to move on. Most people retire in their early to mid 30s, because they just don’t have the passion for it any more. You’ve just had enough. That’s the bit that gives out. But he’s never really stopped. Whether there’s any physiological aspect that would stop you at 37 that wouldn’t have stopped you at 32 I would doubt. Everything that we know about him would suggest that he doesn’t do anything unless he’s got a good idea of how it will turn out. But if he rides the same as he did before, he’s probably got an even bigger gap over the rest than he did before. I’m sure there are a lot of riders who are thinking, ‘Oh no, why can’t he just go away?’ He’ll go with Astana. There’s no point making work when you don’t have to. Everything’s set up for him. There’s no other option for him. With where he’s starting from now, regardless of who he is, it’s too late. Riders have signed contracts, manufacturers are in place, so are the mechanics and the people who’ll drive the cars. He’ll have to choose an existing team, and that’s the only one for him. I can’t believe he hasn’t announced it already. He’s being very selective [witht he races he said he’ll ride]. The only slightly dodgy one might be the Dauphine, because it’s like a mini Tour de France. You have to be very disciplined and not try to be there at 100%. Although it’s been done before, winning the Dauphine is usually a precursor to doing badly at the Tour. The start of the Dauphine to the end of the Tour is usually eight or nine weeks, and you just can’t stay at the top of your form for that long. Regardless of what you thought of him, or any of the shadows that surrounded him, he was more professional than anyone else. He thought faster than everyone else and he surrounded himself with the right people. He’s a very good managing director of his own firm. The difference was that there wasn’t a big take-up from other riders – no-one else seemed to follow suit. The sport when he left it wasn’t that different to when he arrived. Armstrong specialises in surprises. And he also likes to drag things out.”

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by fmk on Sep 11, 2008 5:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Adri Van Houwelingen:

“It’s impossible to come back on the level he had before. I don’t know what his motivation is.”

Dick Pound

“If he comes back and says, ’I’m back, and I’m prepared to do whatever is necessary,’ I don’t think that necessarily clears up any outstanding issues from past.”

Jonathan Vaughters

"At the end of the day, I think Christian will be a better bike rider than Lance."

Christian Vande Velde

"It’ll have to wait to see if Lance’s level of fitness at age 37. It’s difficult to know how I can do."

Andy Lee

"As a cancer survivor and seven-time Tour winner Lance has brought a tremendous amount of attention to competitive cycling in America and his success is largely responsible for the significant growth USA Cycling has experienced over the course of the last 10 years. A comeback to the sport’s marquee event would bring with it unprecedented intrigue and excitement and would most likely have a similar impact. A return would be one of the most exciting things to happen in American cycling in a long time."

Dave Brailsford

"He’s got a lot to lose and what has he got to gain? He is an icon in the world of sport so it is a very interesting move and I have to admit I have my doubts. I think he should let the next Lance Armstrong come up and take the stage. My advice to him would be to settle back into retirement."

Jens Voigt

“I am pleased that he is coming back. It will definitely be very interesting. Armstrong will revive the business. Cycling will experience a lift through it, of that I am 100 percent certain. When I call it a day, I would do so because I could no longer keep up with the best in the world. With Armstrong is it different, it is like an addiction with him. He will already have done tests. There he would have seen that he can still step on the power. I have huge respect for his decision to give it another go. Like it said: I would not be in the position to do it.”

Brad Huff (Jelly Belly rider)

“Like every American out there, they see us riding the bike and everyone yells, ‘Go, Lance! Go, Lance!’ It would just help out if he came back so that they could actually cheer for Lance again.”

Steve Hegg

"Michael Jordan made a comeback, didn’t he? You know what? Now he’s coming back to his people. Look at this sport, eventually everyone somehow gets sucked back into it."

Mark Cavendish

“When I started cycling, that was the start of his domination of the Tour de France. Yeah, it was quite special. I don’t often get star-struck, but I think that might be one of the times.”

George Hincapie

“Without Lance, half these teams probably wouldn’t even be around. He’s done more than anything anybody’s ever done for cycling, especially here in America.”

Christophe Bassons

“It’s sad. It saddens and even scares me a bit. I don’t understand it. Lance Armstrong’s comeback to cycling saddens me. If he decides to come back to competition then he had better be sure he can win his eighth Tour de France. Furthermore, if he races with Astana, I think that’ll be just another way to mock the competition of cycling. This return will not make him any bigger.”

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by fmk on Sep 11, 2008 6:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ugh

That part, I am not looking forward to. I freakin’ hated it when people yelled “Go Lance” at me out of car windows when I was training. I’m a chick, for crissakes.

by gavia on Sep 11, 2008 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lance Armstrong

“I should be all right [in the Leadville Trail 100]. I’m as close to serious as I used to be.”

“[Cancer’s] unlike anything else in that it affects everybody — everybody has felt that loss. I represent an apolitical issue that affects Republicans and Democrats, the rich and the poor, whites and blacks. It doesn’t care.”

“No, no, I’m not running in 2010. It can’t be a skit, it can’t be a dare, it can’t be a PR thing. You’ve got to really devote your life to it, and I haven’t done that yet. I think about it. I know the dates.”

“With a life-threatening illness, you win and you live on. You lose and you die. After I gained that perspective, I hated the notion of losing.”

Interviewed in Men’s Vogue

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by fmk on Sep 11, 2008 8:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jan Ullrich
“I am surprised at the news, but I think it is a good thing. If he starts the race, I think it will be exciting for the Tour. When he attacks, the others will have to hold on. He will not be returning to win second place. At the moment, I am just enjoying time with my young son Max. In all honesty I have no urge to return. I have other plans in life and I am not missing anything. I am happy with my life. You should never say never, but it is not something I have thought about. We have different stories, he retired after a victory, I retired after a disappointment. I wish him luck and I will call him over the next few days.”

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by fmk on Sep 11, 2008 11:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cadel Evans
"Lance is coming back? Great! I like him as a rider, and of course as an individual. I think he brings a lot to the sport of cycling. For now though, there seems to be a lot of unknowns: What team will he ride for? What races will he do? Or more importantly, what races can he do? Having time out of racing normally makes it very difficult to come back, at Lance’s age especially. But if anyone can come out of retirement and win the Tour de France, Lance would be the man. I will be watching with interest. It could be someone else I have to watch leading into the Tour. At least I will not have as much media attention – that is a good thing from my point of view."

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by fmk on Sep 11, 2008 11:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Eusebio Unzúe
“It was definitely a surprise for me. Why he wants to return after four years, he will have to explain that. I don’t think it will be bad for the sport. As for his return, I don’t really know… He is quite a personality and a bit of a notoriety. I don’t think he can. It will be very difficult after being away four years from the activity of a professional cyclist. It’s clear that he can do great things, but to win the Tour? Of course, he is the man of the records. Maybe that will be another one – the eighth Tour at age 37!”

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