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Contador on the Armstrong Comeback: "Seriously difficult" to share a team

Alberto Contador paid a visit to the Spanish sports journal AS, Monday, a day after completing his historic triple, winning all three grand tours in the space of a year. There, he gave a lengthy interview and discusssed his views of the just-completed Vuelta and the possibility of sharing a team with the returning Lance Armstrong. The editors at AS described the Spanish grand tour champion as "affable" and "unaffected."

Summary and translation on the flip. Or, read the complete Spanish-language interview.

Star-divide

The interview begins with a discussion of the team dynamics between Contador and Leipheimer during the Vuelta a España. "Speaking frankly, did Leipheimer ride for you or did he ride in his own interests?" asked the interviewer. "I will only say that it is not normal that a worker finishes less than a minute from you. If Navacerrada had lasted 20 kilometers more, I do not know what would have happened," answered Contador.

The Vuelta winner emphasized the importance of the time bonuses, saying that without them, it would have been "a different race." Contador allowed that Leipheimer had helped him some on the Angliru: "He pulled a little, but Valverde attacked very early and I allowed him to drop off." On the Fuentes de Invierno, "it was a delicate situation," said Contador. If he had escaped with only Mosquera for company, Contador would have allowed Mosquera the stage win. Because of the close race with his team-mate, who was also in the break, the time bonus was "important." Asked who was the greater wheelsucker (¿Quién es más chuparruedas, Leipheimer o Evans?), Leipheimer or Evans, Contador smiled, "Uff. Mmm. The truth, I would not know how to decide...." (Uff. Mmm. La verdad, no lo sabría decir... (sonríe).)

The interview then turned to Contador's feelings about the Vuelta. The Vuelta felt like "a homage" and he was inspired by all the people, many of them from his home town. When asked whether the Angliru should always be in the Vuelta, Contador said no, because it would lost some of its mythical quality. "It’s a special mountain, but any rider with adequate conditioning can climb it. There are others that are more difficult, like the Motirolo," he explained. "Where do you suffer the most, in an hour of the crono or an hour in the mountains?" Definitely the crono, according to Contador, and he said that the necessity of "maintaining the aerodynamic position" until the finish makes the crono harder on the body than the high mountains.

Turning at last to the question of next year's Tour and the Armstrong Comeback, the interviewer asked for Contador's views on the likely departure of Patrice Clerc, president of the ASO. No comment. Contador dismissed the rumor that Armstrong might buy the ASO as "absurd." "The ASO does not only organize the Tour, but also it holds, among other things, the Dakar Rally," remarked Contador. "I do not believe that the ASO would be for sale," he said.

Sharing a team with Armstrong would be "seriously difficult," says Contador. "I believe that I have won the right to ride as a team leader, without having to win the post," he asserted. With Armstrong it could produce a difficult situation, because Armstrong would want the team to ride for him, at my expense, he explained. All the same, Contador said, "it is my intention to ride out my contract until 2010" with Astana, though he admitted that he had received good offers from other teams. Can Armstrong win the Tour? "It would be very difficult, but not impossible," believes the 2007 Tour winner.

As for his own plans for the coming year, Contador intends to ride only the Tour de France next year. It is "very complicated" to contest more than one grand tour in a year, he said. He rates Andy Schleck, Carlos Sastre, Cadel Evans, and perhaps also Robert Gesink as his future rivals. He described Igor Anton as "a pure climber." Laughing, Contador said that he could not discount Leipheimer either, as he "has experience in disputing the grand tours." He agreed that holding concentration for three weeks was difficult, a problem that appears to plague Alejandro Valverde.

In closing, Contador declared his intention to ride the Worlds without pressure and to aid his team-mates. He described the experience of the Olympic Games as "stupendous." And confirmed once again, that yes, he did interrupt his vacation to ride the Giro. And no, he has not been to Astana, the capital of Kazakhstan.

Interview by J. Trueba, as.com. Translation mine.

Original Spanish text: as.com.

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Nice post

I’m pretty sure that Levi only rode for Contador and wasn’t trying to ride against him. As far as the minute thing, I don’t know about that. To me it makes sense that you would want a teammate to be close to you/ahead of your rivals. If Contador had crashed, Levi would have then had the responsibility to lead the team to victory. I think something has been lost in translation and is making Bert seem a tad bit paranoid, which I don’t think is the case. I definitely agree about the Lance sentiments though. But, no way is JB going to let Bert go anywhere without blood being shed.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Sep 23, 2008 2:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agree

With your point about the idea of having two riders on the podium. Me, I don’t see a problem with that.

I feel very confident in this aspect of the translation and interview – that Contador did not like having his team mate placing so close to him on GC, and felt that Leipheimer was looking for an opportunity to ride against him.

by gavia on Sep 23, 2008 2:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep

I agree with your translation. Could be that something wasn’t transcribed from the interview, but the translation seems pretty straightforward. me, I don’t get that bit about the labor de vender either.

by kimchi on Sep 23, 2008 3:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think

He’s just saying it isn’t for sale? Or, it couldn’t possibly be for sale? I wasn’t certain, so I left it. Minor point of the interview, anyway.

And thanks for the confirm on the translation. That’s one of the cool things about this place – I can post the original Spanish interview and others can comment.

by gavia on Sep 23, 2008 3:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I tend to agree...

Not for sale. Spanish idiom was a major

Beotch

when I had to learn it.

by Fred Marx on Sep 23, 2008 8:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sweet.

I thought that was it – but the way the phrase is constructed was all idiomatic and stuff. I was hoping you might wander by with the solution ;-)

by gavia on Sep 23, 2008 8:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow that's three posts on the same article...

… almost like we’re hungry for controversy in Camp d’ Bruyneel!

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 23, 2008 2:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

huh?

it’s mentioned elsewhere, yeah, but since there were questions about the translation, i figured a full post was worth the time.

by gavia on Sep 23, 2008 2:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not complaining...

… just noticing… this cropped up in Bruce’s Rank Speculation Thread, I posted a thread about it (and deleted it as soon as I saw Bruce’s and this).

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 23, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ah, i never saw your post

probably asleep dreaming little gavia dreams during that part ;-)

by gavia on Sep 23, 2008 8:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ahh... little Gavia dreams...

I think we all know what those are like.

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 23, 2008 9:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but... but... but...

Where were the Pinarellos raining from the sky? And Benna? And the glassy NW swell?

Chocolate, heh.

by gavia on Sep 23, 2008 9:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmmm.. I pictured Gavia as a little taller and with more hair

But I can easily see her taking a bite out of a chocolate terrier. That makes perfect sense.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 24, 2008 10:02 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the translation seems perfect

and I don’t like his comments about Leipheimer, seems like he didn’t like having him next to him… Leipheimer was the one that created the big split in the Angliru and he spent some energy there, he also was the first to jump for dangerous moves of Caisse d’Epargne guys!

by King of Doping on Sep 23, 2008 2:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no, it was Rubiera,

Levi pulled for couple of minutes until Valverde attacked with JRod…

by Bruce Suomi on Sep 23, 2008 2:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no, and that's interesting

One of the reasons I threw down and did a translation was to confirm his attitude toward Leipheimer. I’d agree Contador didn’t like riding with him.

by gavia on Sep 23, 2008 2:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I read that as well...and the translation was confirmed by friends who are fluent in spanish...

Thought this was interesting…

When asked about the fact that Levi would have won if there had been no time bonus, Contador pointed out that he knew there were time bonuses and took advantage of them. If there had been no time bonusses he would have had a different strategy.

by steph- on Sep 23, 2008 5:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice to hear some honest words from Contador finally (if you got the translation correct). We’ll know for sure on Thursday at the Armstrong Interbike press conference whether he’s joining Astana. If he does, it’s clear Astana will not have the same team dynamics as USPS.

Related: Interesting photo from the Vuelta stage 14: “Mosquera pulled for the entire final climb but was passed at the end by Contador and Leipheimer”

by steephill on Sep 23, 2008 2:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol, yeah.

It was an unusually frank interview from Contador in my view. Like I said above I feel confident that I’ve captured the tone of the interview.

While I understand Contador’s reasons for taking the time bonus against Mosquera, man, that was rough riding there. Me, I thought he deserved that stage. I hope Astana at least bought him a nice dinner.

Are you covering the Interbike press conference thingy? Look forward to your impressions if so.

by gavia on Sep 23, 2008 2:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No interbike for me this year

Gavia, I’m jealous of your multilingual skills.

No, I won’t be at interbike this year. I’ve been criticized for “hogging the microphone” at the Tour of California press conference and the Tour of America press conference (last year’s Interbike) so maybe it’s good thing. That’s what happens when nobody else raises their hand. ;)

In lieu of my absence, here’s a rerun of my Interbike USA Crit video coverage from last year:

by steephill on Sep 23, 2008 2:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Was this before Cipo joined them

in a spirited bout of Skank-o-Roman-wrestling?

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Sep 23, 2008 3:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes pre-rock

… but Cipo was in the industry race prior to this one. He was involved in a good crash too. He’s at Interbike this year, but I’m not sure whether he’ll risk another shop employee taking him out in a corner again.

by steephill on Sep 23, 2008 3:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm, those women look vaguely familiar........

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 23, 2008 3:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A little bit...

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Sep 23, 2008 4:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The one on the left

was a podium girl at the ToC. The other one I recognize from my dreams.

by Jimbo... on Sep 24, 2008 1:17 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was thinking they might have appeared in 'film'

but I could be mistaken.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 24, 2008 10:03 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are both bad.

I thought they were also in some of Mark’s pics. But that’s not helping me out here then either is it… ha ha!

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Sep 24, 2008 12:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol, trouble maker ;-)

eh, i spent too many years in school. at least i got something useful out of it.

by gavia on Sep 23, 2008 3:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

... because I don't have conflict on interests

Thinking back, the Tour of America press conference was more like a free focus group and the Tour of California press conference is always more like a pep rally. You can rarely count on velonews or cyclingnews to ask good questions because they have way too many conflicts of interest. At the Tour of America “press conference”, the question tally was something like:

steephill 10 questions
cyclingnews 2
velonews 0

I really laid into the head guy (Frank Arokiasamy). And one year later, it’s safe to say the Tour of America skepticism was fully justified.

by steephill on Sep 23, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol, wish I'd been there

Quality entertainment right there. Agree that VN has their share of conflicts of interest – enough that I need a scorecard some days. Neither is ever especially critical or detached from the proceedings by any means.

by gavia on Sep 23, 2008 8:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry, that does it

Rock Racing and Michael Ball can do lots of things . . .

but flashing the hook ’em horns sign . . .

well, that’s just wrong.

R Mc
looking forward to another aggie season of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory . . .

by R Mc on Sep 23, 2008 8:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes it's a sin but

the Metalheads stole your horns a long time ago, and I’m sure the Ball camp misappropriated it from there.

by Fred Marx on Sep 23, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If LL was working for AC, wouldn’t it have made sense for him to try to pull there also to make the gap as big as possible? Or was Mosquera flying and LL just hanging on?

by baloo on Sep 23, 2008 3:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Translation on the flip

Yikes, gavia. If a subject is controversial or vital, you need to be sure about the translation before you post and we comment. Kingdoms have been lost because of prepositions and idiomatic expressions. If misinformation is disseminated, you can’t get it back again.

With respect.

by Steno on Sep 23, 2008 3:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think...

gavia’s treatment was a LOT more comprehensive than some I’ve read. Context and tone is certainly the issue here but the first thing I saw in Yahoo cycling (yeah – not a great resource!) was

Contador said he got no help in his Vuelta victory from American teammate Levi Leipheimer…

No help?
None at all?
Seriously?

by cg. on Sep 23, 2008 3:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

probably the AP story

Yahoo probably picked the AP story, same as ESPN. I’d agree that it states the case more strongly than the original interview does.

by gavia on Sep 23, 2008 3:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably...

That’s why I appreciated your more complete and considered translation. Thanks!

by cg. on Sep 23, 2008 4:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And you can bet AP spun the bejeesus out of that for th ’Murkin Audience.

by Fred Marx on Sep 23, 2008 8:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i guess they did

I’m not sure really. Whether it was “spin” or just a rushed translation and summarizing job.

by gavia on Sep 23, 2008 8:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

being the cynical type..

it is election season after all. I still vote spin. Nothing makes headlines in the states like controversy, even if it’s not really there.

by Fred Marx on Sep 23, 2008 8:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AP does that crap constantly

first time I’ve seen it applied to cycling.

by Jimbo... on Sep 24, 2008 1:19 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just don't see it- any controversy here.

I see an alpha male talking about his rivals.

He’s pretty truthful too- if there were no timre bonuses or if the last TT were Tour length, he may well have come in second. I see no problem with Contador noting that and still wanting to win.

Bruyneel over the past two years has had to balance Bert and Levi. Its worked for two years- there is no hint of a falling out in their camp- but no other team (yes, including CSC) has had two such good Grand Tour riders these past two years and there have been only a few teams in cycling history that have had such. Compare to Rabobank. Big difference.

by ursula on Sep 23, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

It sounds like it’s been a good partnership, but a partnership of this nature has to end. And while Contador sounds a little weary of it, frankly it’s more Levi’s fault. Contador has earned the keys to the car, putting the onus on Leipheimer to find another car if he wants to be the driver.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 23, 2008 3:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Imagine

if Basso had managed to stay with Disco. What a traffic jam they would have had.

by ursula on Sep 23, 2008 4:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huge post!

More excellence from the Gav. Surf must not be up today…

To Steno: just my $.02 on the nature of blogs, but we’re not professional journalists (by and large), we’re people trying to figure out what the story is from our limited perspectives. The best thing is to do what Gavia did: translate as best she can (usually very reliable), provide a link to the original, and let others help/debate/etc. I appreciate your caution, but for a site like this the standard of care is, do your best and allow the community to add more value, if needed.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 23, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

si....

My take: I don’t post any translation in which I don’t have very high confidence in its correctness (gah, that’s a horrible sentence, but I’ll let it stand). I take this issue pretty seriously, because I know that a wrong translation will skew the story. That said, I’m human, and in an average day of chasing cycling news around the internet I may pass through about five or six different languages. In the space of two posts, I went from Spanish to Italian, while writing in English. An error may slip into the midst of all that adventuring. I included the note to let me know if anyone spotted an error in the spirit of inviting discussion and appealing to the community’s collective wisdom, not as suggestion that I lacked confidence in my coverage of the interview.

Here, by contrast, is the AP’s version, published on espn.com. A significant amount of nuance is lost in this version, in my opinion.

by gavia on Sep 23, 2008 3:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't change a thing you're doing....unless it's surfing less and riding more.

What’s amusing is I read your ‘horrible’ sentence and it made perfect sense to me. I believe that means I’ve been trained to read your articles the way you right them and not necessarily as grammatically correct sentences.

And I’m fine with that.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 23, 2008 3:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol, you are powerless to resist ;-)

I have clearly taken over your spelling. You might as well say good bye to your grammar right now.

by gavia on Sep 23, 2008 3:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fuck grammar - it's overrated

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 23, 2008 3:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AP

no love from me for those folks, but I should leave it there. I’d trust you over AP in a heartbeat.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 23, 2008 3:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree gavia....

…the direct translation from as.com was far more biting. Excellent work chica!

I am a huge fan of as.com. I hate when CN or VN rewrite an article or interview from as.com. Better to go straight to the source…as you did. Big thanks again!

by steph- on Sep 23, 2008 5:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

si...

good stuff over at as. i check in there as often as i can – which is less than i’d like. sigh.

by gavia on Sep 23, 2008 8:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

spoken like one truly deserving of that PHD…

by Fred Marx on Sep 23, 2008 8:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and yes, it's flat

but the bikey is calling, i believe ;-)

by gavia on Sep 23, 2008 3:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now you're talking.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 23, 2008 3:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

changes my opinion of...

…contador (to the negative) a bit but not surprised this is how he felt. to me, it was obvious levi was being selfless. i guess levi was the true champion if gentlemanly acts count…

Save The Legs!!!

by jack376 on Sep 23, 2008 3:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He doesn't come off well

But I’m forgiving. The Accountant has now won all three grand tours. It’s time he got a team all to himself. If he dismisses Levi’s efforts, that’s not cool, he should be grateful. But I suspect there’s at least a little more going on. Leipheimer is ambitious, surely Bert knows that.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 23, 2008 3:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A little pre-negotiation postering perhaps?

Letting people know that he’s not going to get run over by the almighty Lance. Surely if LA is on his way to Astana they need to establish some groundrules. Maybe this is is AC’s way of showing that he’s no namby-pamby pushover, this is his team?

And is Leipheimer ambitious? I thought we wrote off that theory when he went with Bruyneel to Astana.

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Sep 23, 2008 4:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Levi is finally realizing

he’s a pretty good rider.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 23, 2008 4:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

had he stayed with JB after 2001,

he surely would ’ve won a GT, just not the Tour…..

by Bruce Suomi on Sep 23, 2008 5:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's ambitious

But in a passive/aggressive way. Frankly, it’s not endearing.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 23, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How so?

I’d say he did a pretty good job of protecting Bert’s back at the Tour and now the Vuelta. Just cause they ride for the same team doesn’t mean they have to take warm showers together.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 23, 2008 4:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I never saw anything in this years Vuelta

that would lead me to say that he didn’t do all the he should for Contador.

On the other hand, if he still has the ambition to win a GT, I wish he would come right out and say so (and sign for a team where he would be able to work towards that goal).

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Sep 23, 2008 4:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 23, 2008 4:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK I admit it

I have no idea. But he protects his overall position… who wouldn’t? He doesn’t work as a domestique per se, though he does work for Contador at times. He does what he is asked to do, but he gives the subtle impression he’d rather be chasing his own ambitions, which is what he should be doing, and which I find so strange that he isn’t.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 23, 2008 5:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agree..

..if levi were just a bit more ambitious, he wouldn’t settle to being second fiddle.

Save The Legs!!!

by jack376 on Sep 23, 2008 5:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

eeeew, warm showers?

did we really have to go there?

by gavia on Sep 23, 2008 8:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was oms def more than I needed at this juncture… I may have to go have beer now.

by Fred Marx on Sep 23, 2008 8:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes definitely time for a cold one....

Maybe after I stalk the Sandhill Cranes feeding in the field across the way.. …

With my camera you sillys…

by Fred Marx on Sep 23, 2008 8:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Showers

was an old Clint Eastwood line, thrown in mostly to see if anyone other than Dan, Jimbo, Itswells, and Jens would get it.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 24, 2008 10:06 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm werking in on it....

whoops

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 23, 2008 4:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wank harder

Doh!

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Sep 23, 2008 4:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That could have disatrous results

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 23, 2008 4:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh.. that so does not sound good...

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Sep 23, 2008 4:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thx for translation

The best part of the article for me was learning this phrase:

Quién es más chuparruedas!

Hopefully Armstrong will announce his plans soon so the other GC contenders can avoid being on his team.

by cyclingchallenge on Sep 23, 2008 4:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

one word solution

Katyusha!

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 23, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No waay!

He’d never get anywhere in Texas politics with that kind of ties to the oil-industry………………..eehh wait….

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Sep 23, 2008 4:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Me too!

Racing for Victory and Free Beer!

by DemonCats on Sep 23, 2008 8:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oy vay..

comments

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 23, 2008 6:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

more

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 23, 2008 6:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

i only made it through about the first 50, then I cracked.

I especially liked the comment about Contador – “no one knows who you are” Heh.

by gavia on Sep 23, 2008 8:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The ignorance is amazing

… after being used to reading commentary on PdC.

by dheadrick on Sep 23, 2008 10:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Borats have spoken...

And it appears Alberto will be looking for another team:

“He (Armstrong) is a great cyclist and he is also a great humanitarian and that makes him a perfect fit for our team,” Kazakhstan Defense Minister Danial Akhmetov, who is also president of the country’s cycling federation, told Reuters.

Why you would give up years of grand tour podiums for a longshot, albeit a public one, is beyond me.

I can’t see how Lance rides for anyone but Astana, and I can’t see how Alberto stays. If I’m Levi, I stay on with Astana knowing that I will have a dynamite team, and there is greater than a 60% chance Lance will be riding for me by the third week of the tour.

by PopUp Rolen on Sep 23, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting, but not surprising

Since Bruyneel holds the contracts with the riders – his management company, I mean – not the sponsor, if Astana wants to stay in the sport, they don’t have too much choice. If they say no to Lance, Bruyneel takes his toys – and his roster – and goes elsewhere, and Astana has either to build a new team from scratch in September or to withdraw from the sport. So, I suppose, Lance, Bruyneel and Astana are going to bed together, perhaps with Livestrong tacked on for good measure.

Contador? I agree that he will go elsewhere, though it’s hard to predict just where.

by gavia on Sep 23, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is a very good point about Levi

If he bides his time and rides like he’s normally been riding he’ll be very strong in that last week. Kind of like this year’s Vuelta. Hmmmm………………..

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 24, 2008 10:07 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DemonCats is of the opinion...

that first, if Lance does come back to Astana, Contador will get to know the feeling that Leipheimer got to know when, first they hire Basso, then AC.

Second, I so WISH that Navacerrada had been 20 km longer! Puto!

Racing for Victory and Free Beer!

by DemonCats on Sep 23, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

and another +1 for going 3rd person.

by itswells on Sep 23, 2008 8:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+3rd person

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 23, 2008 9:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Somewhere in the Universe

The Gods are urging Veloki to stay up all night mocking up a vintage Three’s Company television poster. I might even commission the piece if we have Johan in the role of Mr. Furley.

by PopUp Rolen on Sep 23, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh. my.

that would be so funny :-)

by gavia on Sep 23, 2008 8:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Photoshop Lance's head...

on Chrissy’s body, Contador on Janet’s and Bruyneel on Jack!

Racing for Victory and Free Beer!

by DemonCats on Sep 23, 2008 9:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just spit out my water... too funny!

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Sep 23, 2008 9:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does Kloedi

at least get to be one of the Ropers?

by Katiek on Sep 24, 2008 10:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No class

Contador lost me with these remarks. If he had said from the beginning that he had earned the right to be team leader and that he would love to have Lance come ride for him he would have earned more respect from me. But this complete reversal of impressions completely reverses my impression. Then he adds to that with a few jabs towards Levi. Now Contador is showing his true colors as a cocky prick. You can certainly bet that Contador is headed elsewhere and next year’s TDF will be a battle royale. Maybe this is all being planned out by writers/producers to bring intense drama to the sport of cycling.

by sminer on Sep 23, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My Spanish is pretty good and I thought your translation was great. I’d make one modification: re: the Angliru, he said he wouldn’t want it in the Vuelta every year “because it would lost some of its mythical quality. It’s a special mountain, but any rider with adequate conditioning can climb it. There are others that are more difficult, like the Motirolo.”

I agree with you on the tone, which is strangely glib, to put it mildly. He definitely has a bone to pick with Leipheimer. I mean, calling him a wheelsucker? I frankly don’t see how they’d work together after this.

There’s also an interesting statement on Bruyneel: asked what decision Bruyneel will come to regarding Armstrong, Contador says: “When it comes to results, he believes more in me [than he does in Armstrong], but we have to remember that he got where he is because of his association with Armstrong, and no one can deny that.”

Also hilarious about Kazakhstan: “I’ve never been, though they’ve invited to go hunting there”!

by plinytheelder on Sep 23, 2008 9:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks!

I didn’t work as hard on the Angliru bit as the other parts. I’ve now stolen your translation :-)

LOL, the part about Kazakhstan is funny!

by gavia on Sep 23, 2008 9:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Was that for...

the running of the Jews?

Racing for Victory and Free Beer!

by DemonCats on Sep 23, 2008 10:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well that certainly clears up one thing.

Lance will definitely not be riding for Garmin. Of course, we all knew that already, but the Times article made that point crystal clear. It’ s a shame Vaughters will be losing Taylor Phinney to Armstrong’s new team, whoever that may be. It would have sat better with me if CVV could have been his mentor, rather than Big Tex.

by The Team Chef on Sep 24, 2008 12:14 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Flip translation

Chris and gavia,

I know, I know. I don’t mean to sound like a schoolmarm, and I appreciated the post and the discussion.

When Contador spoke to the press last year on August 10 in Madrid to address doping accusations, there was only one responsible translation of his statement published (to my knowledge, and I searched). There were many botch jobs quoted ad infinitem in the press. The result was that people generally did not know the contents of the statement, but still pronounced judgement on the sensitive issue, and it put everyone in a bad position—the man, the readers, the jounalists, etc.

gavia, I certainly don’t put your post into that category—it was well done, thank you. That’s just where I’m comin’ from re the topic of translation. Makes me antsy. And the blog and forum world is hopping mad about this AS interview today.

Just sayin’.

Podium Cafe rocks.

by Steno on Sep 24, 2008 12:11 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we're on the same page, then :-)

The problem you’re talking about, this is exactly why I try to do independent translations when I can. These interviews get hacked and chopped and spun, so much that they barely resemble the original.

by gavia on Sep 24, 2008 11:48 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice article

and I agree, Levi has handled the whole situation with class.

by Katiek on Sep 24, 2008 12:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seconded

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 24, 2008 12:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t mean to trash the article, but I do wish she’d have asked more pointed questions about Contador. I guess she’s writing for a mass audience (it is espn after all), but look at the Marca people – they went right to that issue.

Then again, even though the story appeared on Tuesday, Leipheimer apparently made his remarks on Saturday. Maybe I’m asking too much – obviously a more cycling-oriented publication would have called Leipheimer after Contador made his remarks to follow up.

Also, can someone ask espn what the “Vuelta d’Espana” is?

by plinytheelder on Sep 24, 2008 1:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

l'ouch

Vuelta d’Espana. Dood, they so should know better than that. Just a google search away and all.

by gavia on Sep 24, 2008 1:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey by the way

you’ll like this – check out l’équipe’s headline on women’s ITT at worlds – “Une Américaine peut en cacher une autre” – hilarious!

by plinytheelder on Sep 24, 2008 1:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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