Lance Armstrong Foundation - Every ¢ent counts
If you've been keeping up with cycling blogs in the last few days, you may have come across some comments concerning the Lance Armstrong Foundation. A few days ago over on Joe Lindsay's Boulder Report a commenter there, Elizabeth, claimed that Armstrong was "using cancer as a front to feed his own ego for his own personal gain" and that the Charity Navigator efficiency rating for the Lance Armstrong Foundation was only one. She further claimed that the Foundation was in "deficit to the tune of over $5 million."

That comment got picked up by another commenter, Lucas Cato, who wanted to make a big deal of the Lance Armstrong Foundation's fund-raising expenses, claiming that the "efficiency of this foundation ranks among the worst-organized and worst-run charities in the US."
The story then got picked up by another blogger, the Cozy Beehive. He also questioned the Foundation's fund-raising efficiency. Then he started making some unusual claims: "LAF has a working capital ratio of 0.59. Which simply means their liabilities are more than assets. Which further means that the company only had 59 cents of current assets to pay for every 1 dollar in current liabilities in 2006." And then he hit on a screamingly capitalised REVENUE REPORT DISCREPANCY between the numbers presented on Charity Navigator and the numbers in the Lance Armstrong Foundation's annual report. Finally there came a withering look at the Foundation's CEO salary packaged with an innuendo-laden question: "How much did chairman Lance Armstrong pocket as a percentage of total expenses? 5%? 10%? 20%?"
Now making sense of the numbers associated with the Lance Armstrong Foundation is, without a doubt, a bit of a head wrecker. To start with, there's four different sets of documents presenting the information. There's the annual reports, which show mixed information for the Lance Armstrong Foundation and the Lance Armstrong Foundation Endowment. Then there's consolidated audit reports for these two Foundations. And then there's separate IRS form 990s for each. On top of which, there's Charity Navigator's scoring system to be taken into account. But saying that, it's not really very difficult to make sense of the relevant number. So I decided to brave the forest of forms and see what truth there was to the claims being made about the Lance Armstrong Foundation.
Let's begin with one of the easy questions raised above. How much did chairman Lance Armstrong pocket as a percentage of total expenses? Well, according to the filed form 990s for both the Lance Armstrong Foundation and the Lance Armstrong Foundation Endowment, in 2006 Armstrong was paid zilch. Ditto 2005. Ditto 2004. Maybe starting with an easy question wasn't really such a good idea after all.
Let's look then at Charity Navigator's rating of the Lance Armstrong Foundation. The way this is calculated is explained here. In short, they give 0-4 stars, depending on how they score a charity. 4 stars is Exceptional. 3 stars is Good. 2 stars Needs Improvement. And no stars is Exceptionally Poor. What did the Lance Armstrong Foundation rate? They rated 3 out of 4 - good, but not exceptional. And hardly supporting Lucas' claim that the Lance Armstrong Foundation is one of the worst organised and worst run charities in the US.
That's not to say that the Lance Armstrong Foundation doesn't have issues. For 2005 it was also rated Good by Charity Navigator. But in 2004 it was rated as Exceptional - a full 4 out of 4 stars. The slippage comes about mostly because of the Foundation's fund-raising costs which, expressed as cents out of every dollar raised, have risen from 13 cent in 2004 to 30 cent in 2006. Which doesn't look good, on the surface. But let's remember what two of the Foundation's big fund-raising items are:
i) the LIVESTRONG™ Challenge events, which are as much about community building as they are fund-raising events. They raised about $10m in 2006. But one company alone - Event 360 - took home a whopping $4.7m over the course of the year for event management services;
ii) that little yellow wristband. Plus various other branded items available to buy at the LIVESTRONG™ store. Anyone who thinks that paying a buck to buy a little yellow wristband - or any other merchandise - will see the Foundation's funds raised by a buck needs to reconsider how, and even why, they distribute their money to charities.
How about the amount of money paid to the Foundation's directors in 2006?
Directors:
Mitch Stoller CEO ($311,423 compensation + $22,653 benefits) $334,076 (2005: $300,911)
Betty Otter-Nickerson COO ($210,000 compensation + $20,859 benefits) $230,859 (2005: $98,589)
Greg D Lee CFO ($71,141 compensation + $8,995 benefits) $80,136 (2005: n/a)
Total: $645,071
Now, according to Charity Navigator and cited by Cozy Bee, the current average CEO salary in the charity sector is circa $149k. But that's just a simple average across a complex sector. So how does Mitch Stoller's pay really compare to others? Well, Charity Navigator says the Cancer Fund of America pays its CEO $185k. But Charity Navigator also rates the Cancer Fund of America with zero stars - exceptionally poor. Or there's the Multiple Myeloma Research Foundation, a four star affair by Charity Navigator's calculations. They pay their CEO just over $120k - less than half of what Mitch Stoller gets. But as a percentage of expenses, Multiple Myeloma Research Foundation's CEO was costing 0.84% of expenses, while Mitch Stoller was costing the Lance Armstrong Foundation 0.83% of expenses. The Charity Fund of America's CEO was getting 1.35% of expenses, in case you're curious. Lance Armstrong Foundation ahead by a nose? The simple answer is, there is no simple answer on this one. Some will think Stoller's being paid too much, some will think he's getting a fair wage for the job he's doing.
Next, let's look at Cozy Beehive's claim that the Lance Armstrong Foundation's liabilities exceed its assets. This arises from a total misunderstanding of Charity Navigator's Working Capital Ratio rating, which for the Foundation is 0.59 years. What Charity Navigator is trying to do is determine "how long (in years) a charity could sustain its level of spending using only its net liquid assets, as reported on its most recently filed form 990." It's not a ratio of assets to liabilities, as Cozy Beehive decided to interpret it. But what are the Foundation's assets and liabilities? Well a quick look at a balance sheet would answer that question. Taking the form 990 data, the quick view at the end of 2006 looked like this:
| Fixed Assets (Equipment etc after depreciation) | $495,686 | |
| Intangible Assets (Trademark) | $564,390 | |
| Current Assets | ||
| - Accounts Receivable | $5,450,887 | |
| - Pledges Receivable | $1,519,762 | |
| - Grants Receivable | $36,023 | |
| - Inventories | $6,251,485 | |
| - Prepaid Expenses | $371,435 | |
| - Cash & Cash Equivalents | $5,824,316 | |
| - Investment Securities | $17,657,502 | |
| Sub-Total | $37,111,410 | |
| Total Assets | $38,171,486 | |
| Current Liabilities | ||
| - Accounts payable | ($1,167,347) | |
| - Grants Payable | ($7,337,123) | |
| - Deferred Revenue | ($440,170) | |
| Sub-Total | ($8,944,640) | |
| Net Assets | $29,226,846 |
Those $29m of assets net of liabilities represent the Foundation's accumulated surplus of income over expenditure. And don't include another $21m in the coffers of the Lance Armstrong Foundation Endowment. Which kind of puts the lie to Elizabeth's claim that the Foundation is in in "deficit to the tune of over $5 million." Where that one came from is that in 2006 the Foundation dipped into its accumulated funds and paid out $5,391,455 more than it took in. Or, you may say, it operated at a net loss for the year. Except sometimes it's good for charities to operate at a loss, periodically. Even Charity Navigator doesn't seem to take a dim view of deficits per se. If they're happening too often, for sure, there's a problem. But now and again? Not an issue. In fact, excessive surpluses can actually indicate an inefficient charity. It's a curious balancing act in charity land. For the record, the Foundation's 2005 surplus was $7,106,160 and the 2004 surplus was $15,986,493. On that basis, some might thing it was high time for them to dip into deficit for a year.
All of which, I think, leaves us with just the Cozy Beehive's revenue discrepancy to explain away before opening the floor to questions. This is the difference between the revenue of $31,778,162 per the Charity Navigator site and $38,941,866 revenue in the Lance Armstrong Foundation's 2006 annual report (PDF - screen 30). The first and obvious answer is that the annual report is showing consolidated information for both the Lance Armstrong Foundation and the Lance Armstrong Foundation Endowment. Charity Navigator is looking at the Lance Armstrong Foundation on its own. Then there is that the Charity Navigator information, taken from the IRS form 990, excludes certain donations received in kind and unrealised gains in assets. In other words, it doesn't have all the numbers. Then there's the reason you need the headache tablet handy. The two - form 990 and the annual report - are prepared to slightly different rules as to when revenue is recognised. I warned you to have a headache table to hand. The net effect is about two million (net) of revenue is being recognised in 2006 having already been reported on previous form 990s. In short, there's no real discrepancy as such, certainly not in the way Cozy Beehive gleefully reports it.
That, I think, deals with the issues raised by others. To my mind, no matter what I might personally think of Lance Armstrong, I think the criticism of his Foundation is a bit wide of the mark. Whether it's the right charity for you to donate to is for you to decide. But there's little about it that makes it screamingly wrong. Or justifies the sort of comments made in respect of it.
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beautiful
i’m off for a bit, but i can’t wait to read this lates. thanks for the lengthy analysis!
by gavia on
Sep 23, 2008 3:40 PM EDT
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Hope it’s not too long. Got it finished earlier than I expected so decided to off-load it before the tsunami starts on Wednesday and Thursday.
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by fmk on
Sep 23, 2008 3:50 PM EDT
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nice timing, for sure
and no, it’s not too long. long is good, for something complicated :-)
by gavia on
Sep 23, 2008 8:37 PM EDT
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Impressive work.
Thanks for taking the effort.
by majope on
Sep 23, 2008 3:42 PM EDT
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This must've been a lot of work and I thank you.
by ZoeRochelle on
Sep 23, 2008 3:46 PM EDT
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A few hours crunching numbers. But when you’re curious, it’s amazing how late you’ll stay up to get to the answer.
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by fmk on
Sep 23, 2008 3:49 PM EDT
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That is a fine effort my friend. Very well done.
Now have a pint of the dark stuff on us.
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by Drew... on
Sep 23, 2008 3:53 PM EDT
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Great stuff
Yet another day when my work on this site ranks below about half a dozen others. Yay!
One point about this says volumes: Lance doesn’t get paid. He lends his name and his time (presumably still a lot) and takes nothing in return, and has for years. As you say, there are still other factors in whether a charity is successful and worthy of your money, but from all I’ve heard Lance’s work in relation to the charity is above reproach. He’s often judged for being a hard-ass and I’ve long believed he’s one of those guys who’s insanely driven, for better or worse. But in trying to figure him out, this more impressive aspect to him cannot be dismissed.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on
Sep 23, 2008 3:53 PM EDT
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I don't see how a person could win 7 Tour de France's without being an insanely driven hard ass.
by ZoeRochelle on
Sep 23, 2008 6:00 PM EDT
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Yup
Michael Jordan on a bike. There are winners, and then there are the mega-winners, who couldn’t do what they do without a fairly abnormal dose of competitiveness. More power to ’em.
"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."
by Chris... on
Sep 23, 2008 7:01 PM EDT
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and there is only one
country called France, there are not 7 ’France’s’. Tours de France, get a clue.
by brettok on
Sep 24, 2008 4:03 AM EDT
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presumably a new poster...
…who does not realize that this sort of tone is simply not, ever, used here.
We’re friends. We chat. It’s an ongoing conversation. We understand that sometimes people post in a rush. Zoe’s been watching Tours de France long enough to have 1,185 posts on this site. You? Four. All today. At least two of them violating site policy.
There have been hundreds on conversations on doping in general, doping by specific riders, and doping by Lance in specific. It got so boring that the owner of the site (that would be Chris) put a temporary moratorium on the Lance/past doping subject. If you search “doping” in general, or “HWMNBN” (“he who must not be named”) and other variants (WBCMNBM=“whose blood count must not be named” etc etc) you will see that we’re not unaware of this topic. Before you rant on that, Chris is not shutting down discussion—this was done with full agreement of the long-term users who figure that there are plenty of sites where the same old arguments, with no new data, can be rehashed.
Think of this site as an open access adult-learning class, co-taught by the students. You have wandered into class off the street, and started yelling your head off. An understandable accident, given the way the web works, but not actually OK.
So now, you have two options. Read enough to figure out that what I say is true, feel modestly abashed, get with the site guidelines, post something insightful, polite, and novel, and be totally welcome. Or ignore the guidelines and be gone, soonest. (Yes, that “soonest” is agrammatical. It’s an expression. It’s also a statement of fact.)
As to your grammar correction, I’d argue there are implied quotation marks: 7 “tour de France”‘s. that’s not the correct plural, but it also does not imply 7 Frances. Not that this would be a bad thing. I, myself, would prefer 7 Switzerlands, for the greater hiking and cycling and eating and Cancellara-watching pleasure. One on each continent would do. Multiple Luxembourgs would also be OK, if we get 2 Schlecks and a Kirchen from each. But for me, at least, 2 or 3 Frances would be quite enough. We could tuck one a couple of hundred miles west of me, and I’d visit, lots.
by JFS_PGH on
Sep 24, 2008 7:30 AM EDT
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thankyou
i was considering posting something similar, but with more anger, then i figured that would be foolish as somebody wiser could do it with more eloquence. so thanks.
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by randie on
Sep 24, 2008 9:53 AM EDT
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Yeah, well, I think I called a congressman an asshole on Monday...
for grabbing and shoving my stuff through the scanner before I was ready, and before I knew if I wanted it to go through the scanner. So much easier to be polite online, actually!
(Of course, he could have been a lobbyist. He was dressed SUPER nice.)
by JFS_PGH on
Sep 24, 2008 10:19 AM EDT
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did he have nice calves?
if not probably an anti cycling lobbyist - asshole :)
by cyclingchallenge on
Sep 24, 2008 12:08 PM EDT
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Nicely Done, JFS.
Eloquent, factual, inspiring… with just a hint of backhanded-slapness.
by itswells on
Sep 24, 2008 1:25 PM EDT
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I love this attitude
It’s the Podium Cafe equivalent of the death hug, no violence or nasty threats, we just send round a gang of cute teddy bears to cuddle you into submission.
by Monty. on
Sep 25, 2008 6:08 PM EDT
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now that's funny.
we just send round a gang of cute teddy bears to cuddle you into submission.
by Fred Marx on
Sep 26, 2008 12:55 AM EDT
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well done
I had glanced at the Beehive article and respectfully …… it was clear he was not doing any delving into the numbers and was instead just throwing stones and trying to make a controversy.
And I just stopped reading when the working capital point was made ….. it was clearly wide of the mark.
Thanks for rolling up the sleeves with a real analysis.
by cyclingchallenge on
Sep 23, 2008 3:57 PM EDT
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What some might want to query is who was paid what for the LIVESTRONG™ tradename in 2005. More than half a million dollars landed on the Foundation’s balance sheet at the end of 2006 in connection with this newly acquired intangible asset. Who it was acquired from isn’t clear. Nike?
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by fmk on
Sep 23, 2008 4:16 PM EDT
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Also Oakley
They’ve got a Livestrong special edition.
It’s actually good to see they’re getting licensing fees from this sort of thing.
by kos on
Sep 23, 2008 6:29 PM EDT
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Excellent work!
I learned something today. Can’t beat that.
by PopUp Rolen on
Sep 23, 2008 4:22 PM EDT
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Thanks for the write up and the work that went into it.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on
Sep 23, 2008 4:36 PM EDT
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Amazing analysis...
and very clearly presented. I saw the nasty comments buried in a CFA post and just assumed they were biased. Mentally, I discounted them but I really appreciate your taking the time to lay it all out and lay it to rest.
by cg. on
Sep 23, 2008 4:36 PM EDT
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Carpel tunnel, anyone?
If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when are you going to have time to do it again?
by CannonDowell on
Sep 23, 2008 4:51 PM EDT
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I am often mis-understood
This is a compliment.
If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when are you going to have time to do it again?
by CannonDowell on
Sep 23, 2008 4:52 PM EDT
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wow
Thanks for all your work, very good analysis. Appears that cozy beehive is rather clueless about non-profit finance. Just this morning I took a quick look at Livestrong’s ‘06 990 form. The one thing that was curious to me was that $4 million and change paid to a consulting company for event planning – dwarfing the amount that they give out in grants to any one organization for actual research and prevention. I’m not familiar with the challenge events so I’ll rest a little easier knowing they are community building. Overall, I agree with your conclusion that the foundation is doing what he says it is. I’m happy for him to turn his celebrity into cash for a cause (not my top issue, but who cares), would love for more sports stars to do the same.
by kimchi on
Sep 23, 2008 4:54 PM EDT
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non profits get in trouble if they run ever-increasing surpluses
Not sure at what point that cuts in, but a very good idea to spend extra one year if you’ve been taking in extra for a few years.
As someone who spent over a decade in the basic research wing of a couple of cancer research centers, I’m all for any org that’s working, relatively effectively, on the prevention & good health end of things. I’d rather see a well-funded NIH and NCI hand out the grant $$ for research, and the private groups focus on what they understand & do best.
Doesn’t make me any less cynical about possible co-optation of sports / celebrity status for political ends (regardless of which party Lance signs on with…or maybe he wants to start his own “team” there, too). But trashing the foundation? That’s just as inappropriate. NB, no-one threw that rumor up here. Kudos to all for that, and extra for fmk for crunching the numbers.
by JFS_PGH on
Sep 23, 2008 7:57 PM EDT
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wow, that was awesome
I just got so much smarter. Thanks so much for writing this fmk. Totally appreciated.
And no, I didn’t write about this when I saw the discussion elsewhere, because I knew I didn’t understand the relevant financial statements well enough. Thank goodness fmk does! Yay!
by gavia on
Sep 23, 2008 8:17 PM EDT
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Excellent post
Nice to have it all broken down like that.
by Veloki on
Sep 23, 2008 8:41 PM EDT
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Daaaaaaang!
That’s a lot of effort and a lot of useful info.
Thanks, fmk.
by itswells on
Sep 23, 2008 8:41 PM EDT
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Thanks very much!
I really do appreciate it.
by dheadrick on
Sep 23, 2008 9:53 PM EDT
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off topic - NY times news about Lance's antidoping monitor, Taylor Phinney and U23 team
by next year on
Sep 23, 2008 9:56 PM EDT
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I just read that and part of me is really bummed.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on
Sep 23, 2008 10:17 PM EDT
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I don't understand why you would be bummed?
This is another great stand against doping in cycling. Replace LA’s name with any other, and this would be good news.
"The world is a mess and I just need to rule it." Dr. Horrible
by bethie on
Sep 23, 2008 11:26 PM EDT
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I think I'm bummed because I really liked
how Taylor was coming up at Slipstream. After the big team thing last November, I kind of hoped he would be there for a while. There is a big part of me that can understand his move though as he as that natural amazing talent and certainly deserves every chance he comes across to develop it. I just liked him on the team he was with. Just bummed that he’s leaving I guess.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on
Sep 24, 2008 12:00 AM EDT
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I think this supports the idea of
a new Team coming…
by cg. on
Sep 23, 2008 11:13 PM EDT
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Luring Taylor Phinney over to the dark side? Ugh.
And of course Lance has to stick it to Vaughters one more time. What a pr!ck.
MJB
by MJB on
Sep 23, 2008 11:26 PM EDT
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yeah
I’m generally “eh” about LA, and I know that both Phinney and Slipstream have come close to being overhyped, but I totally got the “come to the dark side, Luke” vibe from that. Ah well.
by Sui Juris on
Sep 23, 2008 11:53 PM EDT
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Upside is
Taylor’s only 18 and still has a lot of time to come back to the light. Though I don’t think he’ll learn too many people skills from him, he’ll certainly learn a lot about cycling, being a professional., training, etc. So even if he stays for a few years I don’t see it warping his ability or personality so much that he becomes a Sith Lord. He and his parents seem much too grounded to let that happen.
So maybe he’ll sign with Garmin in 2012. I can wait.
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by Drew... on
Sep 24, 2008 9:39 AM EDT
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I was bummed when I read the article yesterday
for the main reason I really liked seeing him apart of Garmin. He is young and extremely talented and has two very grounded parents so this decision was thought out and he truly has a lot that he can learn in doing this. I just hope he doesn’t get lost in a Lance bubble as I believe he will have an amazing future and doesn’t need that to accomplish great things. My mood is changing more and more on the move the more I think about what a great opportunity it is for him to learn from two of the best when it comes to cycling. I wish him huge success and I am going to continue following him and being a fan regardless of where or who he’s riding for.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
by nikki on
Sep 24, 2008 10:57 AM EDT
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Overly critical?
The Armstrong-Merckx-Phinney connection could really help him.
by dheadrick on
Sep 24, 2008 9:46 AM EDT
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among other reasons for disappointment...
I was hoping that Axel’s cycling tour business would take off, was looking forward to the idea of an Okanagan bike-wine tour with him… or better yet, Belgium … but if he’s the director of this U23 team I presume that wouldn’t leave much time for such things during cycling season.
by guidemd on
Sep 23, 2008 11:35 PM EDT
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Damsgaard monitors Astana, right?
So, what does this mean for the Armstrong/Astana-connection? It might be nothing to it, if Lance plans to spend most of his time in the US, but still.
Bork, bork, bork!
by TheFigurehead on
Sep 24, 2008 4:10 AM EDT
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It will be interesting to see
if LA will be monitored by both the Damsgaard program along with the rest of Astana and Catlin.
Where LA lives and trains isn’t really a factor if I understand it correctly. Damsgaard/ Bispebjerg Hospital don’t do the actual testing themselves, they buy that service from different testing-companies. They only do the analysis of the numbers.
Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets
by Jens on
Sep 25, 2008 3:05 AM EDT
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intersting to see
that according to ESPN the personal vampire may be paid for be Astana….
by Fred Marx on
Sep 26, 2008 12:58 AM EDT
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What a twat
Davis Phinney is. How could he say this with a straight face… "Axel, who is the son of the other great rider in the history of the sport." The other great rider? To compare Pharmstrong with Eddy is sacriledge and shows a complete lack of tact, respect and knowledge.
by brettok on
Sep 24, 2008 4:00 AM EDT
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shows a complete lack of tact, respect and knowledge.
Hello Mr Pot, hello Mr Kettle.
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by fmk on
Sep 24, 2008 4:11 AM EDT
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Do you really think
the two can be compared? Not a chance. Do some research Mr 99er.
by brettok on
Sep 24, 2008 5:41 AM EDT
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No, I don’t suppose they can really be compared. LA never failed a drug test. Merckx did. LA won 7 Tours. Merckx only won 5. It really is totally offensive to compare the two.
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by fmk on
Sep 24, 2008 5:49 AM EDT
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ahem
Stick around a while, and I think you’ll find that the knowledge runs very deep around here. There are Armstrong fans, for sure. But there are also few English-speaking forums with more collective knowledge of the history of the sport than you will find here.
Play nice.
by gavia on
Sep 24, 2008 11:23 AM EDT
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dood.... you need to lurk a while longer...
“young this one is..”
although I would have to say I’m less than impressed myself with the “other great rider” comment should it be true… Wonder where it was seen. Referring to Merckx that way seems just wrong.
by Fred Marx on
Sep 26, 2008 1:02 AM EDT
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sorry maybe that was pushing the line a bit....
I’ll stand on the portion regarding Merckx though..
by Fred Marx on
Sep 26, 2008 1:03 AM EDT
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Brettok, a lot of us agree with what you suspect is true
but we abide by the site rules. You’re way out of line FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE. Go up and read my previous post.
fmk, when people start in on personal invective, if they’re new, we don’t escalate. We clue them in to the site rules, we sit back long enough for it to sink in. If they keep making personal attacks on members—-the sort that pass as normal on other sites, but are totally inappropriate here (“get a clue,” “do some research Mr 99er”)—Chris bans them.
If you want to take it off-site to someplace where aggression can be worked out in public displays, feel free to do so.
by JFS_PGH on
Sep 24, 2008 7:37 AM EDT
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Armstrong: less Lance, more Kristen. (And Kupfernagel.)
Chris is on the West Coast. He might be up for the women’s time trial soon…However, that’s 8:50 AM Eastern, according to Chris’s own post at…5AM eastern (2 AM his time). I’m guessing he’ll have to give the TT a miss. So how about we de-escalate for a couple of hours, cruise on over to the women’s TT thread at the top of the main page, (link supplied for newbies who enter the site via this Livestrong thread) and watch the women rock the Varese time trial (unless, like me, you have to rescue a car with a flat tire).
by JFS_PGH on
Sep 24, 2008 7:48 AM EDT
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yes more Kristen!
HE’s only been back for a week and already I tire of it.
by Fred Marx on
Sep 26, 2008 1:04 AM EDT
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There are two steps to this procedure. First we trot out Corporal Punishment (that's Chris on the right)
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and if that doesn’t work then we ban. We have very few rules here and first and foremost is respect for all points of view. If you can’t play within that framework then it’s best you move along to another forum.
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."
by Drew... on
Sep 24, 2008 9:45 AM EDT
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overexposed
I’ve been thinking about swearing off the internet because I’m starting to feel overexposed to too many humorless people of the world. Particularly this being an election year. Podium Cafe has been a kind of neutral territory. I’m sure it will continue to be, one way or another.
Lance, Jordon, Tiger, Ali… can’t possibly be wired like most.
I had to run spellcheck on “sacrilege” myself just the other day.
by phantom_51 on
Sep 24, 2008 12:44 PM EDT
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You can swear off every other site on the net
except this one. Don’t make us print out daily threads and bulk mail them to you. Think of all the trees that will use.
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."
by Drew... on
Sep 24, 2008 1:13 PM EDT
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Yep, points taken,
after I posted I had a better look around, and realise I was out of line and a little aggresive in my comments. Enjoy the site, will try and keep it civilised. Cheers.
by brettok on
Sep 25, 2008 5:44 AM EDT
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Excellent
Glad to have you.
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."
by Drew... on
Sep 25, 2008 12:30 PM EDT
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Hmmm...
Assuming there’s not more than one cycle-loving “brettok” in the world…
I nominate this for your location-appropriate theme song on Podium Cafe [wink].
Or you can teach Dan to do a proper Haka. He never did post video proof.
Seriously (or serio-comically, anyway): welcome!
by JFS_PGH on
Sep 25, 2008 11:22 PM EDT
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eeexxcelent.
Welcome to a happy little (hmm maybe we’re not all that little..) bunch of cycling fanatics.
by Fred Marx on
Sep 26, 2008 1:06 AM EDT
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2007 Figures
Since writing this on Tuesday the 2007 Annual report has been released. The bottom line is consolidated income of $36m, expenditure of $31m. I have some work to finish over the weekend, but once I get some free time I may take a look at what it tells us about LAF/LAFE, and also consider the financial challenge of the Global Cancer Initiative, seeing as that story is pretty much going to dominate cycling coverage between January and July. is pretty much
pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway
by fmk on
Sep 26, 2008 3:39 PM EDT
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