Podium Cafe: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Around SBN: ACC Power Rankings: 2.8

Lance is coming back to road racing in 2009, claims Velonews

Check it out at VN:  Full link!

Lance Armstrong will come out of retirement next year to compete in five road races with the Astana team, according to sources familiar with the developing situation.

Armstrong, who turns 37 this month, will compete in the Amgen Tour of California, Paris-Nice, the Tour de Georgia, the Dauphine-Libere and the Tour de France — and will race for no salary or bonuses, the sources, who asked to remain anonymous, told VeloNews.

Now, how's that for news?

Update, by Gavia, 5.10 pm, Monday. Holy rumorage batman!

According to cyclingnews Astana DS Johann Bruyneel was surprised to hear the reports of Lance's possible return. Said Bruyneel, "I don't know where the rumours come from. Maybe (they arise) because Lance recently finished second in a 160km mountain bike race? He has been training for it and he is in good shape." Levi Leipheimer, asked for comment in Spain where he is currently riding the Vuelta, seemed skeptical. "I don't think so," he said.

Meanwhile, a story by the Associated Press reports that Team Astana has no intention of signing Lance Armstrong to ride for them next season. Said the Phillipe Maertens, spokesman for Team Astana, "he is no part of our team." "We have no plans with him," Maertens emphasized.

Efforts by the AP to reach Armstrong himself for comment proved unsuccessful.

Well, I suppose we needed something to talk about today, but really, you'd think a "real media" outlet like Velonews would at least call the team and the DS for comment before running with this story.

Thanks to Guidemd for the links to Cyclingnews and the AP.

3 recs  |  Comment 257 comments |

Story-email Email Printer Print

More from Podium Cafe

The Wednesday Session

Dec 2009 by gavia - 237 comments

Twit Du Jour

Dec 2009 by gavia - 28 comments

Adiós Periero?

Dec 2009 by gavia - 30 comments

Comments

Display:

i really, really hope it's a lie

Today, I raced à la Chavanel, and I succeeded.

by callmecayce on Sep 8, 2008 1:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+5

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 8, 2008 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+7398

He must hate ASO and the french.

by brunopitton on Sep 8, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops

make that 3 races:

TdG n’exister pas, apparently,

and somehow I think that HW . . . .’s presence as a rumor would be enough to get Astana another July racing somewhere else besides France.

Is it April?

by R Mc on Sep 8, 2008 1:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, But TdG Just Got New Life

Sponsors will be clamoring to sign up now that Lance is there. TdG is definitely back on. You heard it here first.

by Chief Commissaire on Sep 8, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

YAY!!!!!

The difference between Lance racing in TdG and not racing was insane. We need him to pull a Mario if for no other reason than to save the race.

by cg. on Sep 8, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

they’ll probably extend it into the Carolinas and Virginia now that he’s there

by plinytheelder on Sep 8, 2008 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my thought exactly.

Otherwise I think I’m gonna puke.

by Fred Marx on Sep 8, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh please god no

Can’t someone set him up with the other Olsen twin?

by Sui Juris on Sep 8, 2008 1:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How about just blackmailing him to stay retired?

Someone has to have some compromising pictures of something. I’m sure ASO could set him up as a last ditch effort.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 8, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry.

I’ll put him on my VDS team for next year. He’ll be gone in a heartbeat.

by Megabeth on Sep 8, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm thinking with no wins since 2005

He’s going to cost 1 point, right?

by majope on Sep 8, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he needs another..

…endorsement deal.

Save The Legs!!!

by jack376 on Sep 8, 2008 1:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ooooooh

i so heart the “sources close to the situation” ha!

yo velonews, trolling is so kindergarten…

by gavia on Sep 8, 2008 2:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

AKA

“sources close to our embattled circulation director.”

Nice try VN. There’s no way.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 8, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha!

nice one :-)

by gavia on Sep 8, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and actually...

shouldn’t the headline here by “may be” in the spirit of anonymous sourced un-confirmed reports?

by gavia on Sep 8, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's assume

That he is coming back. Surely he would be nothing more than a bottle fetcher and candidate for a break that stays away. there is no way he could actually resemble anything close to a top 50 finish? right? right? Please somebody tell me I’m right????

And if that’s the case, why would he come back? Especially as an American, where winning is the only thing that makes the Sunday paper. No scribe from the NYT is going to extoll Armstrong’s unselfishness as a teammate? The headline will be Lance Armstrong finishes 114th in the TdF, which people will equate to failure.

by PopUp Rolen on Sep 8, 2008 2:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

respectfully disagree

Coverage in NYT and ESPN has changed pretty drastically in the last decade. Most of the major papers have run coverage that delves pretty far into the workings of teams.

Tie that to the alleged tid-bit of making his blood-work and other info. available, and you have the makings of a nation-wide love-fest of coverage. The one independently verifiable question: has he opted back into the whereabouts system?

He was spotted at the Austin Tuesday nighter a couple of weeks ago, and was competitive, fwiw.

by R Mc on Sep 8, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he opted back in prior to Leadville 100

according to said velonews article

Just spinning the pedals in the hills of Western Maryland

by natbla on Sep 8, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes,

but, that’’s an independently confirmable factoid—one which VN does not seem to have confirmed yet.

by R Mc on Sep 8, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has to be a joke

There are too many reasons why it would not be a good idea – I looked at the Calendar to make sure it was not April 1st. I’m not sure why Velonews would post this story, but I am an extreme doubter on this one.

He’s not going to prove that he rode clean by coming back. I think it would take a lot to get back into the form he had in the past years and I doubt he is willing to make that sacrifice. Even if he did ride well, that would not prove that he did not dope before.

There has to be some other motivation for Velonews to run this story. I do hope it helps the Tour de Georgia.

by John.. on Sep 8, 2008 2:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think he's bored with retirement and craves the attention

No matter what place he finishes in. Maybe that’s too simple but he’s never been a really complicated guy either.

And even at 37 he can still make it through 5 races. It’s not like he retired, threw his bike away and put on 50lbs. If he’s got 5 months and a goal (ToC), he’ll be in some semblance of decent shape. He’s not coming back to win, but he’s equally not coming back to embarrass himself either.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 8, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now now... everyone just wait a sec...

I think, actually, that this is GOOD news. Many people have said “why the hell don’t any of these American racers actually do something to promote US Cycling”… well, can you imagine anything bigger at the ToC or the ToG or the To’AnyPlaceUSA than Lance Armstrong toeing the line at each stage? I think that would be HUGE for US Cycling… it would certainly boost the crowds.

I am, admittedly, the “ghey-for-armstrong-trekkie-discofanboy” guy. But take allllll that out of it… he WILL draw crowds, and that is good. And if he does it under the auspices of the Astana Rasmus Daamsgaard equivalent, then color me very, very happy.

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 8, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice...

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 8, 2008 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't you think...

… the postal clashes timewise with the Disco? That’s like wearing a Toga with Pantaloons.

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 8, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's probably also wearing...

…his Motorola underwear, Cofidis socks, and Astana gloves.

by dheadrick on Sep 8, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not one for team kits (on me)

but that postal jersey has really grown on me, over the years.

by Sui Juris on Sep 8, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i liked disco's jersey from last year... large blue marble

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 8, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

UPS needs to sponsor a team in brown

And Lance? Eh. Someone will enjoy it. No problem for me. No delight, but no problem.

by JFS_PGH on Sep 8, 2008 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure you like Coldplay too

:-)

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 8, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+3

that comment is going to be hard to beat today. hilarious.

by PopUp Rolen on Sep 8, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

… can’t stand ‘em… but I do like… uh… uh… nope. Don’t like anything even “Coldplay-ish”. What about Muse? I love Muse, I’m totally down with Muse… does that fit?

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 8, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You missed 40 year old Virgin, didn't you.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 8, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh... yeah...

Strike two to CrashDan… I’ve been avoiding most of the Judd Apatow flicks…

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 8, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's ok - I run hot and cold on them too

but that particular line I used on you always makes me laugh. My daughter and I throw it at each other upon occaission, to our mutual delight.

“Do you take sugar?”

“No thank you Turkish…….I’m sweet enough.”

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 8, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you know what the word "Nemesis" means?

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 8, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Are those Lancashire pigs?"

“Who the fuck’s talkin’ to you, boy?”

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Drew... on Sep 8, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You show me how to control a wild fucking gypsy...

…and I’ll show you how to control an unhinged, pig-feeding gangster.

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 9, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome back

He signed up for USADA testing again as required. He must have been in pretty damned good shape at Leadville, and he’s done the marathons in decent times. There isn’t a YouTube cycling video comments section that doesn’t have haters saying he cheated, The same will happen here and anywhere else he’s discussed. I think the guy is willing to go out for no salary or bonuses, make the whole thing as transparent as possible, and prove for his kids and anyone else that cares that he’s a clean athlete. And the trend towards cleaner racing will make it easier for him as he won’t have to compete against Ricco and his ilk. I’m one hundred percent behind him.

by next year on Sep 8, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i don't get why you wouldn't want to see him back...

yeah – hehoo is a douchebag off the bike, but was responsible for the explosion in coverage and interest in the US and arguably europe – think alpe TT – than anyone, ever.

I don’t like the change he brought in the specialization aspect (a real champ should be able to win spring classics, a GT and a fall classic) but those days were going away anyway and if it wasn’t him, it would have been someone else. I believe he was juiced but given the playing field still respect his natural ability.

Bring him back, the circus would not hurt the sport, after all, high end road bike sales are WAY down and coverage on VS lacks compared to a few years ago.

by humbug1 on Sep 8, 2008 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it's not that I don't want to see him back

It’s that I want to turn the page. There are tons of amazing young riders out there, including young U.S. riders. And there are two US-based teams making significant waves on both sides of the Atlantic. If he goes out and rides the Tour of California, every story will be about Lance, and nobody will be writing about anybody else.

His return will stunt cycling in the U.S. as much as Jonathan Vaughters and Bob Stapleton have grown it in the last 12 months.

by PopUp Rolen on Sep 8, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

and i also don’t want to see him back.

by nicknorco on Sep 8, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

huh? how does interest stunt it?

if anything it will increase – VS will carry all those races he is that usually get 2 hours on a sunday afternoon.

Really, mainstream does not cares about road racing in the US outside of this community – lance transcended that and brought growth to racing and the indusrty not just trek. Like it or not, cycling is still a niche sport and always will be. Its not even top two in spain right now…

by humbug1 on Sep 8, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's right there

Lance is so much bigger than Bob and Jonathan combined…

by ursula on Sep 8, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But any boost in interest from a LA return

will be just shortlived. It will potentially suck the air out of the programs (Garmin , Columbia and even Astana) who have the potential to build interest in the years to come. The minute Lance goes back to speeddating-for-the-insane the mediacoverage he brought in will disappear in second.

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Sep 8, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

agreed

Garmin and Columbia are getting mainstream coverage here. Sports Illustrated, the NY Times. They’re getting noticed. Put Lance back in and the narrative of American cycling becomes Lance’s narrative. Ultimately, that isn’t sustainable.

by gavia on Sep 8, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not gonna argue that they don't get play...

…but other than that it has been fairly quite. On ESPN and SI.com during the tour the comments on cycling stories were sometimes in the single digits. Even todays story that has been up since velonews broke only has 13 comments. OCHO Cinco has 23,000…

While he may overshadow what else is going on, it can only help. Lets say he comes back and TdG happens – another year for a rider to have a breakout performance like Jani or Ceasar G – US pro’s lining up with protour riders gaining valuable experience – I fail to see how it hurts short and long term.

by humbug1 on Sep 8, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with Jens

There is no doubt that Lance will bring outstanding numbers and interest in the race. But unfortunately, he will be the only one covered. 95% of the TV time will be devoted to Lance. Regardless of who is winning the race or what other great story is out there. It will be all Lance. All the time.

As Jens said, the interest in 2009 will be shortlived. For the long-term success of cycling, it’s essential to introduce younger riders to the public.

by PopUp Rolen on Sep 8, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But if the public ain't watching... there's no one to introduce them to...

beyond the members of PdC… who will know about them anyway thanks to Gavia, Lyne, et al :)

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 8, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's say CVV podiums next year at the Tour

or Pate wins a stage, or Devine or whoever.That would be huge but it won’t matter. As long as Lance manages to get to the start without accidentally sticking his ear in his rear derailleur, that’s the story.

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Sep 8, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

It’s an age-old conundrum: do you want the wrong audience en masse, or a smaller one that fits? My friend who has a restaurant hates it when the downtown crowd gets sent his way (by a review or something), because they don’t really fit, and they then grouse about how it’s not their kind of place. Was it worth the extra business short-term? Probably not.

I am with Jens: the attention Lance will bring won’t help. Cycling isn’t that desperate. The only way I change my mind is if Lance does domestique work. In other words, if Lance himself uses the spotlight to show what others are doing, then fine. And yes, I was laughing while I typed that sentence.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 8, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha! lol

Did interest in the NBA go down when Michael Jordan made his comeback? Did interest go up when Jordan retired for good?

Is interest in the Jets down this year with Farve at QB? Does the Jets ownership hate the added attention, the extra swag they sell?

Is cycling not desperate? Of course not. I mean fewer teams in Europe and America is a great thing! Thank god only the die hard fans and Belgians are still around! Casual fans both suck and blow! I hear CTV is making plans already to make sure the casual fans that want to use their services are turned away toot sweet!

Me? I hate it that my acupuncture clinic has been on NPR recently. That its been in Portland Monthly- in fact I ask people where they heard of my clinic and if they say Portland Monthly I say iI have no openings because-= damn- those hipster yuppies and their $800 bikes are such kneebiters. Same goes with the folks who read about me in the Mercury- those poor hipsters can kiss my ass too! I only treat people who knew me when no one else did.

And folks I am saying this all with a smile.

Seriously though. Garmin and Columbia are building on Lance’s legacy. We all know that right? They wouldn’t be here without Lance. And way before that there was Lemond. Of all these things Lance was and still is by far the biggest whale in the pond. If he comes back he’ll bring much more attention to the sport than Garmin and Columbia combined ever hope to do.

But I would hate it if he disrupts Astana. I would hate it if it is true that he’s coming back and he’s so selfish that he doesn’t give a fuck about his potential teammates. I would hope that Bert lays waste to him on the L’Alpe. And Andy Schleck.

Did anyone see Brett Farve’s interview after his game yesterday. He sure didn’t look happy. He knew he was totally lucky.

by ursula on Sep 8, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I reserve the right to hate the sh*t coverage that we'd get

while thinking it might be at worst neutral for “cycling” in the abstract.

by JFS_PGH on Sep 9, 2008 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Thats what I’m saying – look at this thread – 100 comments in less than 2 hours seems to be a non race update record, no?

by humbug1 on Sep 8, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

Check out some old doping threads.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 8, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't want to see him back

because when he comes back, cycling = lance armstrong and americans = lance armstrong. i don’t want to go through that again. it sucked the first time around and it’ll suck twice as much the second time.

plus, there’s no way this won’t end in a train wreck, either bad results or doping or whatever. sure, bring the popcorn, but i’d rather avoid all that if it can be helped. retired means staying retired.

Today, I raced à la Chavanel, and I succeeded.

by callmecayce on Sep 8, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how did it suck?

he brought thousands into the sport and even more casual fans. he also provided a springboard for many of the US pro’s riding today with better support and liveable wages.

please tell me how it sucked other than he is a cock?

by humbug1 on Sep 8, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, but where are those fans now?

sure, some of them stuck around. but lance 24/7 is tiresome. I don’t know if you’ve ever had the pleasure of watching VS back when it was OLN. Tour de France = Lance Armstrong, cycling = Lance Armstrong. If it didn’t happen to Lance, it didn’t happen at all. They rarely talked about anything of consequent (at least not they mention the dopers, back then they didn’t).

I’m sorry, but I don’t drink the Armstrong kool aid. Sure Lance may have done a lot for the sport, but it’s all past tense. It’s already happened. Now that he’s gone, other American cyclists have a chance at doing things. And maybe the world finally sees that American =/= Lance Armstrong.

Today, I raced à la Chavanel, and I succeeded.

by callmecayce on Sep 8, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And also

The idea was to get rid of the old guard, as it were. To let all these young guys have a chance to prove that they can race clean. Bringing Armstrong back completely defeats the purpose, regardless if you believe he rode clean or not. He is the embodiment of the old guard.

He quit while he was ahead and now he’s gonna come back? Yeah, that’s gonna be awesome.

Today, I raced à la Chavanel, and I succeeded.

by callmecayce on Sep 8, 2008 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't drink it either - not a fan, at all...

think he is a douche, doper and an all around cock (and really dislike those stupid FRS ads) – but having seen the boom and busts of US road cycling for 25 years, I know that increased general interest manifests itself in a stronger scene years later….

Fact is the US scene is extremely healthy right now competition wise (despite some teams pulling out) compared to the past, but it has not translated into ridership growth of any kind. What has grown is vn.com and cn.com hits, even this place – but those numbers still don’t replace the lost TV viewership and ad revenue that the Lance effect created.

by humbug1 on Sep 8, 2008 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm...back before CTV (etc)

 I only got to watch because my lab mate who has a TV was a huge Lance fan and sprung for cable. Which reminded me how great cycling was…and made me work/search to find coverage and commentary that didn’t involve Lance 24/7. Which eventually brought me here.

by JFS_PGH on Sep 8, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but you've turned into a hardcore fan

there are a lot more casual fans who left when lance quit

Today, I raced à la Chavanel, and I succeeded.

by callmecayce on Sep 8, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what?

just because you get up in the middle of the night to follow the Olympics from Beijing, get no work done for most of July because you’re following a live ticker on the internet, can actually spell Euskaltel-Euskadi and use the word doodsmack in casual conversation – and all of a sudden you’re a hardcore fan? Sheesh. ;)

by Katiek on Sep 8, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No...

… it’s because of Georgie… pure and simple. Georgie makes Zoe hard core.

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 9, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

right, but that's how recruiting always works.

Regardless whether you’re talking politics or garden clubs, 90% of people who stop by a few times don’t remain actively involved. 10% might come back often, and if a quarter of those get actively involved, you have a growing core community. That’s just how it goes!

by JFS_PGH on Sep 9, 2008 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

those days only went away

for the short period after the introduction of the test for EPO and before the arrival of the test for blood doping. Which pretty much covers Lance’s 7 T’sdF. When you don’t spend the spring having your blood sucked out of you every month it is a lot easier to be competitive over a long season.

by Monty. on Sep 8, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This would be amazing...

I’m still a fan. And aside from saving TdG (yay!), it would be great to have Lance back.

But I don’t believe it.

by cg. on Sep 8, 2008 3:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I dunno

this story has lasted more than 20 minutes intact…it must be real

by Hons on Sep 8, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha!

well-played ;-)

by gavia on Sep 8, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Contador and Levi

must be shouting for joy at this one.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Sep 8, 2008 3:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+a million

Yeah that’s what I don’t like about it and why I don’t believe it. Astana’s got quite a nice team; maybe Vino can come back as well?

by ursula on Sep 8, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What to say?

I’m a little dumbfounded. I guess it’ll be interesting to see what he does. And although I’m not naive about Lance’s accomplishments, I’m also not a hater. I know he’s a divisive figure around the sport: hard-ass on and off the bike; symbol of an era we all want to forget; etc. So keep that in mind as we bat this around in our usual friendly manner.

What he’d do… honestly, I don’t see him being competitive for more than a one-week race.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 8, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

underestimate at your own peril

He wouldn’t be coming back unless he KNEW that he can dominate again.

Top reasons for comeback:

1. prove doubters wrong
2. win clean with transparency to solidify his legacy
3. has a stake in Georgia financially?
4. FRS and all other crap he endorses
5. If Hamilton can win at 37, why can’t Lance?
6. spirit of competition
7. boredom
8. Trek sales not as good as they used to be
9. stick it to the Frenchies one last time
10. likes the Tour of California, wants to ride it

my two (or ten) cents.

by EuroPeloton on Sep 8, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Prediction

Lance returns, agrees to work as a gregario during the Tour, and targets the Dolphin as his swan-song victory.

by Softie on Sep 8, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sage

I’ve heard him mention in more than one interview that Ventoux was regrettably, one that he never won…hmmm.

"Race radios in Cat 4?"

by gravel road on Sep 8, 2008 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh

Like the list. But what’s telling him he can win, his max sustainable power to weight ratio? Given that he’s 8 months removed from his next race, I can’t believe that one. I’m sure he knows he can keep up, but there’s no way for him to know how his body will react at age 38 to a long stage race.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 8, 2008 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sure, he went into the labs . . .

with the eggheads . . . found out he only lost (wild estimate) 2% of his capacity, plus the average speed in 2008 Tour was 3+ miles slower than 2005 . . . figures he has a chance . . . and probably does . . .

by EuroPeloton on Sep 9, 2008 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd bet that most of it boils down to #7

Lance is pretty driven & while the blondes were nice distractions, he’s spent the last 20 years being a competitive athlete. It’s probably pretty hard to go from railing it to chillin’, especially after a career such as he had.

by marian on Sep 8, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big question

Floyd is back next year, right? Does this mean we get to see Lance attempting to shut Floyd down at the American races again? Because no one got enough of that in 2005 . . .

by Softie on Sep 8, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

yes

flloyd is eligible to race beginning in january. lots of rumorage about where he’ll end up, no confirms yet.

by gavia on Sep 8, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was already

looking forward to Floyd challenging Levi in California.

I mean who else was gonna do it? At least we would not have to carp (and read such carping) about how we need a new winner and not the same old Levi.

So Lance would then step on Levi’s chances? Man, I am so glad that I am not Levi.

by ursula on Sep 8, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bleh

i’m going surfing. i hope there’s a good swell that week.

by gavia on Sep 8, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

You’ll be right here.

by ursula on Sep 8, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But

again I don’t want him messing with what Astana has got going now.

by ursula on Sep 8, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sigh

am i that predictable? i s’pose i gotta do something during the 5 ft high tides, though ;-)

by gavia on Sep 8, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

You can have a dip. Just avoid crashdan.

by ursula on Sep 8, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One place I can guarantee you Gavia won't run into me...

… is in the Pacific Ocean north of the Mexican border in any month that doesn’t start with a “J”. I got my PADI cert diving off of Monterey in December of ’99 during a hail storm and when I went to get my tanks filled for the second day, the guy running the dive shop just laaaaaaugghed…

Never… again…

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 8, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh... and not January...

So… a month that doesn’t start with “JU”…

Oh never mind… it seemed better when I wrote it the first time.

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 8, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah... haven't in many, many years though...

… but I know where my cert card is… and I know that at this point, my BC is WAAAYYYY too big for me. Last time I dove, it was, again, off the coast of monterey and the dive master had me so overweighted than when I deflated my BC, I dropped so far so fast that I actually bounced when I hit the rock at 30 feet. Then I turned around and saw that my dive parter had had her mouthpiece separate from her regulator and was just sucking water. We surfaced buddy breathing… and I haven’t gone since.

I’m told it’s supposed to be a pretty fun experience…

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 9, 2008 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well... I did check my own gear and then did the buddy check... but I did sort of rely on

the guy with experience to tell me how much lead a guy of my weight with a 7mm suit should put in his britches…

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 9, 2008 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm is that anything like doing it in the Puget Sound in November? 1985 I think it was. We had a boat outfitted for open water diving, never hit land except to load up on food and booze. $ days I’m oly vaguely sure I remember.

by Fred Marx on Sep 8, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now there's a sublimininal typo if ever there was...
$ days I’m oly vaguely sure I remember.

wanted to say 4 days I only vaguely remember…

by Fred Marx on Sep 8, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was murky...

for the most part. We did a crab boil with fresh crab and scallops on the dive platform…

by Fred Marx on Sep 8, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gah! How long have you

been sitting on those pictures, waiting for the perfect Podium Cafe thread to post them in? :-)

"The world is a mess and I just need to rule it." Dr. Horrible

by bethie on Sep 8, 2008 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my pix from Vancouver are hard copy photos : (

My U/W cameras are mostly third hand and thus old-school.

l pulled these off the web… I see I should have credited the metridium field one, and then maybe it would not have been pulled.

Metridium, little squiggly brittle stars scampering around, wolf eels and sun stars… lots of sun stars. Giant octopus if you find them.

by JFS_PGH on Sep 9, 2008 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I once read a "HOW TO" article on underwater photography...

it started out something like this…

So really, you want to spend $1,000s on equipment to take a dark, blue and blurry picture of something less than an inch in length at the risk of your life rather than spending the money to just buy a photo from someone that has dedicated their entire life to the art? Well, Ok… but don’t say we didn’t warn you.

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 9, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah, $250-$350 will do it

From OZ pix

And as for experience, this was my first digital…right out of the box…left the date stamp function turned on, even. More shots where that came from, if you click the OZ pix linkie.

by JFS_PGH on Sep 9, 2008 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

very cool

currently looking for a NOS canon of the model that fits the housing I bought (cheaper than replacing the housing!).

by Sui Juris on Sep 9, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wolf eels

Walk into any bar in South Boston and you’ll see a whole lot of what appear to be walking wolf eels.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 9, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does...

21 Nickels count? Oddly, I’ve been thinking about that place a lot lately, every time I see CyclingChallenge pop up in a thread. Rob Corddry once broadcast from that bar and his emmy hangs there to this day.

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 9, 2008 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

shoah

Watahtown isn’t Southie, not by a mile. But as a former resident I can confirm they have wolf eels there too.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 9, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Levi too

But there sure were a lot of negative comments on here about the guy last February.

by ursula on Sep 8, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ROCK!

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 8, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

for floyd?

Originally, it sounded like that was the answer. But there appears to be a disagreement on salary. He wants lots. Ball isn’t so sure. We’ll see. It certainly would make sense. You know, collect them all.

by gavia on Sep 8, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

like

Pokemon?

“gotta sign ’em all” . . . .

by R Mc on Sep 8, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tell ya . . .

a team with Lance, Floyd, Basso . . .

oh, wait. We had that one.

by Sui Juris on Sep 8, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol

the more things change.

but no, we have basso safely signed in italy, so no re-runs of that particular disaster. which just means that we can have an entirely new kind of disaster :-P

by gavia on Sep 8, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no we didn't

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Sep 8, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 8, 2008 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

vultures are circling

Well, the story has got legs in the mainstream media. It’s being picked up.

by PopUp Rolen on Sep 8, 2008 4:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yep

msnbc has a poll thingy going on it, too. vn’s editors are headed out to a nice lunch to celebrate.

by gavia on Sep 8, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bwaahahahahaha...

“Yes, I’d like the Roast Rumor, with the Mango Salsa”

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 8, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tastey....

One of my favorites really, but I think I’ll go for Grilled Gossip with an Anonymous Source on the side.

by gavia on Sep 8, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Anonymous source"

I nominate that as the new name of the white gelid stuff that passes for gravy in “biscuits & gravy.”

by JFS_PGH on Sep 8, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

eeeew

Couldn’t it be something that actually tastes good? I mean, anonymous sources, so tempting.

LOL, I once stopped for dinner driving across country at a truckstop type cafe. It was uh, Nebraska, I think. My friend ordered an open faced turkey sandwich. With gravy. It was white, and kinda shiney. Alien spoo.

by gavia on Sep 8, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at Sbisa dining hall

at Texas A&M that stuff was lovingly referred to as “phlegm gravy”

Thank you . . .

by R Mc on Sep 8, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

eeew, again

that’s just not right…

by gavia on Sep 8, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

alien spoo

now that’s funny. Gross but funny. Yes, I can see the two of you laughing over that one.

by Fred Marx on Sep 8, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

uh-huh

even funnier? she ate it.

by gavia on Sep 8, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not "Anonymous Source"

that’s “anonymous sauce”

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 9, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm in PGH. We warsh the windows...

and saurce the food.

I stick with (and maybe to) my suggestion.

by JFS_PGH on Sep 9, 2008 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to join the I Am Pleased Club

that Lance is considering racing in five races next year. I can only think of two or three athletes that I enjoy watching ride a bike as much as I enjoyed watching Lance ride all those years. He has such enthusiasm for it. I think it will be good for the sport, and I’ll bet Lance uses this as a way to help promote some of the younger people in the sport.

"The world is a mess and I just need to rule it." Dr. Horrible

by bethie on Sep 8, 2008 4:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if that's the case

retirement will have to have changed the guy. Not exactly known for nurturing and encouraging young talent, was he?

by Sui Juris on Sep 8, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only when

they were prepared to haul his ass up the mountains of France for very little money.

Carlos Sastre - Tour de France winner - Born From Jets

by Jens on Sep 8, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this is exactly what he will do

Listen, I’m not so naive that I don’t realize that Lance is a total dick, and that he rarely does anything without considering WIIFM. It’s hard to know what his hidden agenda is here, maybe it could be something as farfetched as um….establishing himself as a clean athlete who promotes the sport of cycling and up and coming cyclists in order to… um… clean up his image before the next major election in the event that he might… um… consider running for office?

Still, great to have him back shaking up the sport.

bethie <—— Lancefan and proud of it. :-)

"The world is a mess and I just need to rule it." Dr. Horrible

by bethie on Sep 8, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you just nailed it Bethie

This has nothing to do with cycling. It’s a shrewd campaigning tactic. What better way to launch your “public service” career than to return to cycling for a couple races.

by PopUp Rolen on Sep 8, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 x 3

I had the same thought, but I sometimes ride the ragged edge of posting too close to the “politics ban,” so I self-censored (here only [laugher]). A couple of friends have agreed, so I’m adding their +1’s by proxy [wink].

by JFS_PGH on Sep 9, 2008 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can talk politix

if it’s devoid of party. Or issues. An example: “I hear __ likes politics.”

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 9, 2008 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, well, I was going to venture a comment on whether this was going to be a good or bad 4 years

in which to launch a campaign for anything as someone in…Lance’s party-of-choice. It would have been over the line, trust me.

by JFS_PGH on Sep 9, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right now

I can’t think of anything to say that’s under the line. now more than ever, the ban is ciritical.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 9, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends...

The chickies in his black book are sure ’nuf young.

And getting a response out of someone who has a) been neutered and b) pounded his prostate on a bike seat for a few decades? That’s talent, baby.

by JFS_PGH on Sep 8, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The good news

is that now the VS commentators will actually be able to refer to a cyclist that is in the race.

by Hons on Sep 8, 2008 5:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if he's going try and win

he should skip the Tour de France (been there) and enter the Giro or Vuelta

by cyclingchallenge on Sep 8, 2008 5:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nice point

I was pretty ambivalent upon reading the news, but thinking about him trying to take the maglia rosa intrigues me a bit, come on Lance, mix it up

by plinytheelder on Sep 8, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better yet

Become a classics specialist. That is the only way I’ll get behind the LA un-retirement party. He should limit all of his efforts to April.

by PopUp Rolen on Sep 8, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes!

His only chance of making me really excited about his return is to announce he’ll be focusing on the Ardennes. And Lombardia.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 8, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cycling News Flash at CN

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2008/sep08/sep09news

JB is surprised by the rumours and knows nothing about them… (I’m still reading)

by guidemd on Sep 8, 2008 5:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hmm, yes

That would have a been a very good phone call to make before running this story, dontcha think?

by gavia on Sep 8, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and Levi's response
“I don’t think so,” said Leipheimer of the chances of Armstrong returning to mix it up with the pros.

better job with the linkie here

by guidemd on Sep 8, 2008 5:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not in the story, but rumoured to be true

is that Levi made a very mean face and stamped his foot when he said that.

by Sui Juris on Sep 8, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

totally

that’s why I’m cutting myself off at the knees and polishing my dome as we type . . .

:)

by Sui Juris on Sep 8, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha!

an anonymous source close to levi’s dog said he might have seen him stomp his foot. see? we can be reporters too!

by gavia on Sep 8, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dave Wiens has got to be loving this rumor!

He’s getting into every article as beating Lance!

by Rushfan on Sep 8, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup

rock for him.

by Sui Juris on Sep 8, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Johan has Levi on the distribution list for team memos...

I don’t think he heard about Basso ahead of the press either.
Just sayin’.

I still don’t believe it.

by cg. on Sep 8, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i like that photo...

of Lance, and the banana is a nice touch…

by nicknorco on Sep 8, 2008 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In case anyone was curious why...

He Is HWMNBN

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 8, 2008 5:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice sig line Dan

Morticia would be flattered. :-)

"The world is a mess and I just need to rule it." Dr. Horrible

by bethie on Sep 8, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Et Tu Bethie...

Et tu…

Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.

by crashdan on Sep 8, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The ban is lifted

Or, more to the point, it doesn’t apply to Lance’s future in cycling. He’s fair game. The only reason for the ban was to give the conversation about whose blood contained what back in 2003 a rest. What’s in his blood in 2009: fair game.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 8, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't he be like Michael Jordan

and spend a year or two in baseball first? Maybe he could try synchronized diving, too, before coming back to cycling. If he needs more suggestions for other sports to try, I’ve got a long list….

by SportsAcademic on Sep 8, 2008 5:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 8, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

he’s even been highlighted on whoever carries the NYC & Boston marathons for coming in what 300th? They never even broadcast the Boston marathon before Lance ran it.

by ursula on Sep 8, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but thats good right?

I mean I got to watch the Boston live – that was cool.

by humbug1 on Sep 8, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Be fair

Lance came in 488th in Boston…out of a field of over 25,000. That’s top 2. And it’s estimated that fewer than 10 of all marathon runners even qualify to run Boston.

Don’t know where you live, but the Boston Marathon has been carried live on OLN/Versus since 2005. Before that, it was on ESPN2 for several years. If you live in the US and have basic cable, it’s been there—we watch it every year.

by majope on Sep 9, 2008 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dang. I swear there were percent signs after the 2 and 10 when I hit "Post"

so it should read That’s top 2 percent and fewer than 10 percent of all marathon runners

by majope on Sep 9, 2008 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So will Lance

be Chechu Rubiera while Andreas Kloden plays Victor Hugo Pena?

Doubt he comes back but I would enjoy seeing him in a less-than-superhuman role. In its own strong way, the comeback would be a tacit tip of the cap to cleaner cycling. Not that he woiuld ever admit it.

From a fanboy perspective, I would prefer seeing him in races like RVV, LBL, and the Giro. But if he’s coming back for his own psychological reasons, he would come back to do the races mentioned in the article, which makes the story sound true.

by Mr 60 Percent on Sep 8, 2008 5:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

story is spreading like wildfire

On the big AM yapper in Chicago, the sports update led off with HWMNBN and his impending return. Mind you, the Bears upset the Colts last night, and the Cubs and Sox are both in first place, so it’s not like there is a dearth of sports news out there

This is big news even outside our friendly community of uber fans.

by PopUp Rolen on Sep 8, 2008 5:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

even an article at Sporza

here
and once again, I love Dutch/Flemish, or at least in this case their sentence structure…
(google translated)

Lance Armstrong is almost 37 years, but he would still back on the next bike creep.

read that quickly and you would think they just called LA a “bike creep”…

by guidemd on Sep 8, 2008 5:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My .02

The man can do what he wants. I’ve got no criticisms for his choice, but I didn’t read the announcement as good news. That is to say, I’m not looking forward to the media circus. I’m not looking forward to everything being about him again. I’m not looking forward to his bursitus (or whatever) taking press inches away from the classics.

I’m also not excited to see Astana trying the Unibet plan to force the ASO to invite them. My best case scenario is that he comes back, Astana fails to gain a Tour invite and he gets bored w/ mediocre finishes in other races. Knowing Lance, however, he andthe good doctor>, his suitcase of courage amazing will and spirit of overcoming will show us all naysayers up.

Brooklyn Chewing Gum: Vlaanderens Mooiste

by Koppenberg on Sep 8, 2008 6:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ack, damn closing tags!

The man can do what he wants. I’ve got no criticisms for his choice, but I didn’t read the announcement as good news. That is to say, I’m not looking forward to the media circus. I’m not looking forward to everything being about him again. I’m not looking forward to his bursitus (or whatever) taking press inches away from the classics.

I’m also not excited to see Astana trying the Unibet plan to force the ASO to invite them. My best case scenario is that he comes back, Astana fails to gain a Tour invite and he gets bored w/ mediocre finishes in other races. Knowing Lance, however, he and the good doctor, his suitcase of courage, amazing will and spirit of overcoming will show us all naysayers up.

Brooklyn Chewing Gum: Vlaanderens Mooiste

by Koppenberg on Sep 8, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so you are fine with

the idea that the best GT team is being left out again of the Tour?
I happen to disagree on that one, I don’t care what Lance does, and hope he stays out, but your hints that Astana should stay out of the Tour also next year are ridiculous.

by Bruce Suomi on Sep 8, 2008 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shouldn't this be titled?

HWNMNBM is coming back to road racing in 2009.

by brunopitton on Sep 8, 2008 6:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It was never

a total ban on Lance!

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 8, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One topic

whether he was juiced way back before one or both of my kids was even born. People have made up their minds, and there’s no new evidence.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 8, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but...

you have to admit, it would make a damn funny headline ;-)

by gavia on Sep 8, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK yes

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 8, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But

here at the Cafe I like to keep the English:code ratio at no less than 3:1. For the new readers.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 8, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so, to translate

Lance has Chris under a National (Lance) Security Letter, and really can’t talk about it beyond that . . .

by Sui Juris on Sep 8, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

totally

you notice, i have resisted temptation :-P

by gavia on Sep 8, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeez,

this one thouched a nerve here……….

by Bruce Suomi on Sep 8, 2008 6:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There goes Astana's chance of

racing in the 09 tour. Apparently they think the Tour is a waste of time at this point.

by brunopitton on Sep 8, 2008 6:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also

how can this be happening and not include an Ekimov comeback as a package deal? Can we start circulating a petition?

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 8, 2008 6:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hell, bring back LUDO!!!!!!

Then we can all have fun trying to type Dierckxsens.

Brooklyn Chewing Gum: Vlaanderens Mooiste

by Koppenberg on Sep 8, 2008 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not Eki..

Frankie will be his DS.

by ursula on Sep 8, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one thing that interests me

Lance is not a part owner of Astana. I.e. Tailwind has nothing to do with running Astana (remember the great attempted ebay sale of DIscovery gear by the tailwind bunch, and how Astana had no bikes early on because tailwind cleaned out their service course?)

So, Lance re-joining Astana might not be as straightforward as people assume . . .

by R Mc on Sep 8, 2008 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What did happen there

I remember that no-one wanted to buy the bikes at those silly prices, but I never heard anything further.

by Monty. on Sep 8, 2008 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So...

Lance for the Tour

and Contador for the Giro and Vuelta?

by semprenaroda on Sep 8, 2008 6:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

bleh

If he’s not racing in April, i care very little about it.

by zegnotronic on Sep 8, 2008 6:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

think of the PR value

if he came back as a super domestique for Contador at the Tour. Don’t know if he would do it, but I would love to see them ride together in the mountains.

by majope on Sep 8, 2008 6:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not just JB now, but the Astana press officer speaks
Lance Armstrong’s reported comeback won’t take place with the Astana cycling team. “He is no part of our team,” Astana team press officer Philippe Maertens told The Associated Press in an e-mail. “Team Astana has no plans with him.”

AP article, and Hincapie had no comment (why it turned up in my news google search for more than the top 3 at Missouri today…)

by guidemd on Sep 8, 2008 7:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

maybe this was the result of a three martini staff lunch and a bet?

okay, more like 5 Rolling Rock lunch, but you get the idea . . .

by Sui Juris on Sep 8, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bahahahahaha!

That’s beautiful. VN didn’t call the team for comment? Shameless, this whoring for site counts.

by gavia on Sep 8, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who said Lance was coming back to ride for Astana?

Maybe he signed with Michael (uni) Ball?

"The world is a mess and I just need to rule it." Dr. Horrible

by bethie on Sep 8, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, how bout this...

I think the forum here represents the intellectual truth of this sport we love and Lance embodies something we don’t want to think about, but seem to anyway. I agree with PopUp’s comment earlier about turning the page (without Lance). But then there’s the “exposing the sport to the masses” aspect of this. I think maybe I’ll just hope his comeback rejuvenates the non-cycling public’s interest…but secretly hope he looks like a total snapper-head in the process…with a wide-brimmed asshat perched on top.

by itswells on Sep 8, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Rumour just made the Rachel Maddow show on MSNBC

Okay, I just mentioned that because I think Rachel Maddow rocks.

by Sui Juris on Sep 8, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ESPN Radio

I actually heard the rumor on ESPN radio today.

by brandon... on Sep 8, 2008 10:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

VF

One thing that interests me is VeloNews’s claim that the story is to come out in Vanity Fair later this month. Two things to remember: Vanity Fair, as annoyingly full of itself as it can be, a. is very good at getting scoops (remember Mark Felt?), b. is very seldom wrong. VN says the VF people are giving the old “no comment,” and this has to lead one to suspect that there’s some truth to the story.

by plinytheelder on Sep 9, 2008 12:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Vanity Fair may be full of itself

But some of it is deserved. The quality of a couple of articles that I’ve read in the mag has surprised me, but these were more along the lines of politics & dirty tricks articles not who’s who around town types of articles.

by marian on Sep 9, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good news

if he comes back, we won’t hear about his imminent political career for a while.

Bonnie Ford has a good piece at espn.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 9, 2008 1:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately (fortunately?)

The US $ will be so weak by next summer that Americans will have to watch the TdF on TV instead of dressing up like Uncle Sam and running alongside the Peleton

desollée

by cyclingchallenge on Sep 9, 2008 2:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Meh

We’ve been hording loonies all summer. Save us Canada!

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 9, 2008 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Astana says "Lance Armstrong is no part of our team."

I had an interesting email exchange with Astana press officer Philippe Maertens today. He make his team’s position pretty clear. We posted the story on CycleTo, here.

by caffetrieste on Sep 9, 2008 9:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

of all the things reported on this...

the Astana angle is the part that strains credibility. it doesn’t make sense even if that is where Johan is…

by cg. on Sep 9, 2008 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vanity Fair
Beth Kseniak, a spokeswoman for Vanity Fair, confirmed Monday that the magazine was working on an Armstrong story but did not provide details.

From the New York Times

by majope on Sep 9, 2008 9:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

a positive if true

I don’t believe the story but it is certainly not out of the question, and I think it would be a boon for cycling especially in the USof A where people can only yell out their car window one name at you while out riding your bike “Go Lance”. A limited engagement return from Lance would save the Tour of Georgia for another year or two, would signnificantly boost the ToCali to hopefully one day becoming another 3 week stage race, and we know how much Lance made for France at their tour, astronomical $$$. The idea seems rediculous to most, but it feeds his ego and some of his extracurricular activities and feeds the purses of many investors in the cycling world.

To comment about the post about the US $ being so weak next year no one can afford to go to the TdF, I agree with the continued decline of the $ thing, but so many Americans are so rich they are unaffected by the economy.

by sminer on Sep 9, 2008 10:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Buzz up"

brings this to the attention of people not on PC. Which means we may expect some new readers. Some will be offended by comments on Lance, or by our language. Some will post to tell us so. Most will not go back and read all the other posts on this site, and realize that we spend hours on all aspects of bike racing, teams, riders, wheels, frames, race organizers, etc. etc. etc. With luck, some of them will recognize that this is a place where those who are very into Lance and those who are very over Lance (not to mention those who don’t much care about Lance, compared to the new crop of great young riders) can peaceably coexist and share massive cycling enthusiasm.

by JFS_PGH on Sep 9, 2008 11:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

We submit stuff for distribution, then with some added buzz it goes viral. Or at least that’s what some kid told me.

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 9, 2008 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha!

kidz these dayz.

by gavia on Sep 9, 2008 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NEW THREAD

"If writing too much about the Classics is wrong, I don't want to be right."

by Chris... on Sep 9, 2008 12:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Vanity Fair, McQuaid

The New York Times did get someone at Vanity Fair to confirm they do have some type of article in the works on Lance.
Also, Pat McQuaid of the UCI was contacted at the Paralympics and said that Bill Stapleton, Lance’s agent, had approached him over the summer asking how to get Lance into the biological passport system if he wanted to race next year,
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=3577703

by next year on Sep 9, 2008 1:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Every sprint, every cobble, every mountain pass from the world of Pro Cycling
Start posting on Podium Cafe »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Pdcavatar_small
Ted King interview!
Pdc_5a_small
Trivia Monday Quiz #15
Small
O/T: super bowl
Bike_flag_small
Tour preparation isn't so simple
Rollers_small
techs/mechs help
Garin03winner_small
Vino the Quote Machine
White_unicorn_160_x_160_small
Need help picking your VDS team? The unicorns are back!
Fmk_small
Team Sky: More Millwall Than Manchester City?
Chinese_new_year_08_037_small
Nicole Cooke to ride for British National Team in 2010
White_unicorn_160_x_160_small
VDS: Who scored what in last year's Cat 6 races

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Our Sponsors!

FanShots

Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.

Recent FanShots

Tour de France Podium Girls
Zdenek Stybar aged 7
Sixday Loonies-Good portrait
"After all that Wigan and Manchester United stuff, we've just won the...
Cyclocross Zonhoven - Live
Tour of Murcia bans Italian teams
VN: LeMond free to irritate Armstrong
Hesjedal interview at Velonews
Dan Martin interviews on Velonation (two parts)
Fist stage Etoile de Bessèges

+ New FanShot All FanShots >


Managers

Hope_small Chris...

Espresso_cup_small gavia