TdF 2008, dope storm looming?
Pierre Bordry says they are starting to retest the -08 samples now.
The German site hints to a major shake up in cycling.
Let's hope not.
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I saw Cancellara and Sastre, among others, mentioned in that article.
The translation was awkward though so I couldn’t tell if that was just a "what if " or is there lingering rumors?
nothing really new in the article... same ol', same ol'
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Kohl talks and some names come out
In the translated version, it's not clear where the names in the article come from.
Are these rumors, or does it say they were definitely among the re-tests?
I’m keeping in mind, though, that “on a list for retesting” doesn’t necessarily equal “guilty.”
I think the names
came from the 40 being re-tested – and those 40 are being re-tested either because of their results or because of specific suspicions. It’s not clear which riders are suspect and which are “routine” because of high finishes.
Vediamo.
The Kurier article is interesting, because while it was reported that Kohl chatted with the AFLD, nothing has really come out before about what they talked about. So, the confirmation that they talked about specific names – not just methods – is news.
After taking Dekker down
It’s time to go after the big fish in the big races. All dopers should face punishment.
De FIETS en anders NIETS
Hope not? I hope.
Dopers getting caught is cause for celebration, not grief. And yes, some of the names mentioned are obvious dopers.
Well, Fränk is the most obvious one. Went from nobody to superstar at 25 and then it turns out he paid 7000 Euro to Fuentes for ‘training advice’.
If we’re lucky, this thing will kill Team Riis.
Speak for yourself about 'Team Riis'
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Again facts...He was on a steady trajectory and was improving consistently....In his so called break out year when he was 25
He won 2 races and placed well in others and in 2006 he had his coming out party with Amstel and his Tour stage win was helped by Zabriskie and Cancellara pulling him almost all the way to the Alpe.
It wasn’t like he went from the laughing group to the head of the race breaking these guys legs. His development wasn’t different than most others.
Now the training advice was after his career was established a bit and he might have scheduled things but you never know….nobody was in the room with those 3 when this whole meeting went down.
I thought I read he never met the doctor anyway...
He paid the money, but was warned away from working with by someone (can’t remember)…
Plus this issue was investigated and Frank was cleared….
Innocent until proven guilty!!!!
Ohh and agree with seahorse – Speak for yourself about ’Team Riis"……
I will be devasted if any of my SexyBankers are found positive, but I must say I am trusting them and they are innocent ..
"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"
Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009
Go girl ;)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
LoL.. Thanx. You know what i'm like when it comes to SexyBankers
Ohh and here is some info on Franks case…
"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"
Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009
With you all the way :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
I'm with Samb here. Schleck is a sort Boogerd in how he rode.
Now he’s a GC man for the Tour. Very good from him
Cance very much looks like a non-doper
but I’m only basing that off of the way he looked completely gassed at the end of the Worlds road race.
Wenatchee Wonder FTW
by dees ees en drama on Oct 5, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Gah. Now they're after Gerdemann.
German TV program claims Leenoos had questionable blood values in 2006. He denies. CN story here.
Well, considering his career trajectory (he has gotten worse by the year) coupled with the fact that he is an ex-Cecchini client it has become fairly obvious that his supposedly great talent was based on fraud.
Right. One crapola year is not a trend.
Samb, strong statements are so much more impressive if they incorporate solid facts. Life has this odd and bothersome habit of being slightly more nuanced than the way we tremember it.
Are they ever actually going to test these samples?
or just rehash press releases every couple of months about how they are starting the tests soon. Really. Because I’d swear that I’ve read this story at least three times this year and still nothing has happened.
The French version of the story doesn't read the same way.
Here’s what cyclismag.com has to say (my translation):
Forty names were targeted before the 2008 Tour
The French Anti-Doping Agency (AFLD) has confirmed the report in the Austrian newspaper “Der Kurier” that it had, in July, shown Bernhard Kohl a blacklist from the preceding year. Kohl states that he saw 40 names suspected of doping with CERA and therefore targeted for drug controls in the 2008 Tour de France. In its Saturday edition, Der Kurier listed some of the best-known suspects. The AFLD noted that fifteen of those riders are still under investigation. Results from their samples from the 2008 Tour should be known “in one or two weeks”, according to the president of the AFLD.
Bernhard Kohl, who was called in to help the AFLD this summer, explains: “When I saw that list, I was beside myself. Since the beginning of this, I haven’t stopped asking myself whether the few who have admitted [doping] haven’t just been sacrificial lambs.”
Note: It seems that 25 names on the targeted list are no longer under investigation, but no one has said which riders are no longer suspected (or why). So some of the names cited from the list could be just the prominent ones that Kohl remembered from the original 40, rather than the remaining 15 that are currently under investigation.
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