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Pierre Bordry says they are starting to retest the -08 samples now.

The German site hints to a major shake up in cycling.

Let's hope not.

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I saw Cancellara and Sastre, among others, mentioned in that article.

The translation was awkward though so I couldn’t tell if that was just a "what if " or is there lingering rumors?

by ZoeRochelle on Oct 1, 2009 6:11 PM EDT reply actions  

nothing really new in the article... same ol', same ol'

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Oct 1, 2009 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

In the translated version, it's not clear where the names in the article come from.

Are these rumors, or does it say they were definitely among the re-tests?

I’m keeping in mind, though, that “on a list for retesting” doesn’t necessarily equal “guilty.”

by majope on Oct 4, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the names

came from the 40 being re-tested – and those 40 are being re-tested either because of their results or because of specific suspicions. It’s not clear which riders are suspect and which are “routine” because of high finishes.

Vediamo.

The Kurier article is interesting, because while it was reported that Kohl chatted with the AFLD, nothing has really come out before about what they talked about. So, the confirmation that they talked about specific names – not just methods – is news.

by Jen See on Oct 4, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

After taking Dekker down

It’s time to go after the big fish in the big races. All dopers should face punishment.

De FIETS en anders NIETS

by Lopex on Oct 4, 2009 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Hope not? I hope.

Dopers getting caught is cause for celebration, not grief. And yes, some of the names mentioned are obvious dopers.

by samb on Oct 4, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Which ones are obvious dopers

from named Cancellara, Kirchen, FSchleck, Valjavec, O’Grady?

by tedvdw on Oct 4, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Fränk is the most obvious one. Went from nobody to superstar at 25 and then it turns out he paid 7000 Euro to Fuentes for ‘training advice’.

If we’re lucky, this thing will kill Team Riis.

by samb on Oct 4, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speak for yourself about 'Team Riis'

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 4, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again facts...He was on a steady trajectory and was improving consistently....In his so called break out year when he was 25

He won 2 races and placed well in others and in 2006 he had his coming out party with Amstel and his Tour stage win was helped by Zabriskie and Cancellara pulling him almost all the way to the Alpe.

It wasn’t like he went from the laughing group to the head of the race breaking these guys legs. His development wasn’t different than most others.
Now the training advice was after his career was established a bit and he might have scheduled things but you never know….nobody was in the room with those 3 when this whole meeting went down.

by Vlaanderen90 on Oct 5, 2009 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I read he never met the doctor anyway...

He paid the money, but was warned away from working with by someone (can’t remember)…

Plus this issue was investigated and Frank was cleared….

Innocent until proven guilty!!!!

Ohh and agree with seahorse – Speak for yourself about ’Team Riis"……

I will be devasted if any of my SexyBankers are found positive, but I must say I am trusting them and they are innocent ..

"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"

Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009

by CycleGirl on Oct 5, 2009 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Go girl ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 5, 2009 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

LoL.. Thanx. You know what i'm like when it comes to SexyBankers

Ohh and here is some info on Franks case…

"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"

Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009

by CycleGirl on Oct 5, 2009 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

With you all the way :)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 5, 2009 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cance very much looks like a non-doper

but I’m only basing that off of the way he looked completely gassed at the end of the Worlds road race.

Wenatchee Wonder FTW

by dees ees en drama on Oct 5, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gah. Now they're after Gerdemann.

German TV program claims Leenoos had questionable blood values in 2006. He denies. CN story here.

by majope on Oct 4, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, considering his career trajectory (he has gotten worse by the year) coupled with the fact that he is an ex-Cecchini client it has become fairly obvious that his supposedly great talent was based on fraud.

by samb on Oct 4, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

By that logic

are we to assume we are seeing a lot of guys getting scared into riding clean?

by Jens on Oct 4, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. One crapola year is not a trend.

Samb, strong statements are so much more impressive if they incorporate solid facts. Life has this odd and bothersome habit of being slightly more nuanced than the way we tremember it.

by JFS_PGH on Oct 4, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are they ever actually going to test these samples?

or just rehash press releases every couple of months about how they are starting the tests soon. Really. Because I’d swear that I’ve read this story at least three times this year and still nothing has happened.

by Monty. on Oct 4, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

The French version of the story doesn't read the same way.

Here’s what cyclismag.com has to say (my translation):

Forty names were targeted before the 2008 Tour

The French Anti-Doping Agency (AFLD) has confirmed the report in the Austrian newspaper “Der Kurier” that it had, in July, shown Bernhard Kohl a blacklist from the preceding year. Kohl states that he saw 40 names suspected of doping with CERA and therefore targeted for drug controls in the 2008 Tour de France. In its Saturday edition, Der Kurier listed some of the best-known suspects. The AFLD noted that fifteen of those riders are still under investigation. Results from their samples from the 2008 Tour should be known “in one or two weeks”, according to the president of the AFLD.
Bernhard Kohl, who was called in to help the AFLD this summer, explains: “When I saw that list, I was beside myself. Since the beginning of this, I haven’t stopped asking myself whether the few who have admitted [doping] haven’t just been sacrificial lambs.”

Note: It seems that 25 names on the targeted list are no longer under investigation, but no one has said which riders are no longer suspected (or why). So some of the names cited from the list could be just the prominent ones that Kohl remembered from the original 40, rather than the remaining 15 that are currently under investigation.

by GreylockGrinder on Oct 4, 2009 8:25 PM EDT reply actions  

CEST

We’ll be back on CET on Sun 25 Oct, one week before the US goes back to standard time. Except for that week of confusion, time difference between Paris and NY is always 6 hours, Paris and LA 9 hours.

by tedvdw on Oct 5, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

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