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The Wednesday Session

Wednesday SessionThis week, a tasty mash-up of Worlds talk and Giro rumors.

The Wednesday Session, she has a mind of her own. Sometimes, she shows up on Wednesday, sometimes Thursday, sometimes not at all. Fickle and capricious, she is.

A little like victory, or so Gazzetta dello Sport tells us. "Victory, she is a fickle and capricious goddess." So began a lovely valentine of an article to Cadel Evans, the new World Champion. The Australian has known better than most the fickleness of fate, at least when it comes to bike racing. On the mountain bike, he won seven World Championship medals, but never a gold. He has flatted, bonked, and crashed out of grand tour contention, while Fate has chortled and schemed, pulling her threads and weaving her tapestry.

Star-divide

As a rider, Evans has never played especially well with others, and it seemed fitting that he celebrated his most important victory alone at the line. Evans benefitted from the stare-down among the other favorites. Fabian Cancellara played his cards on l'Acqua Fresca and its descent and hardly wanted to drag fast finishers Alejandro Valverde and Damiano Cunego to the line. With Joaquím Rodríguez up the road, the Spanish sat, which well suited Valverde, who likes to wait for the race to come to him. Valverde, he believes in the benevolence of Fate. Certainly, she has smiled on him of late granting him a win at the Vuelta a España and the magical disappearance of that inconvenient Italian problem. To Cunego, meanwhile, Fate shows her caprice. No Rainbow Jersey for the Italian, who set off after Evans, only to have Philippe Gilbert come with him and end his hopes. Perhaps Fate regrets her early generosity to the piccolo Italian. No gifts, she says now to the rider who won a Junior World Championship and a Giro d’Italia in too-rapid succession. Cunego is a marked man in these races, and it will take a day of brilliant legs, a bit of cunning and a generous helping of good luck for him to win the Rainbow Jersey he covets and the monument, Liège-Bastogne-Liège, he lacks. Of course, that’s what it always takes. Just ask Cadel Evans.

In the Women’s race, the Americans grabbed the race by the throat, and pinned it to the road. The attacks came few and far between as lap after lap, Evelyn Stevens drove the bike race up l’Acqua Fresca. Emma Pooley attempted one of her trademark escapes, but never gained much ground over the relentless tempo of the Americans. The Italians rode in their characteristic attacking style, and surely Noemi Cantele would have liked company when she went up the road for her solo break. The Americans and the Italians provided a study in contrasts, a strong team determined to make the race hard and a strong team bent on attacking to win. The results tell the tale: Making the race hard will only get you so far.

Tatiana Guderzo, who set up the winning move at the Beijing road race last summer, attacked hard on l’Acqua Fresca to set up the winning move at Mendrisio. Marianne Vos proved quick to follow. The World Cup overall winner this year, Vos knows a winning move when she sees one. Kristin Armstrong also followed and it looked like the American tactic would yield a medal. But the Italians weren’t done yet, and once Noemi Cantele joined the winning break, it was the Italians’ race to lose. Guderzo, the race-maker, countered off a set-up from Cantele, and won solo. Armstrong knew better than to drag Vos to the line and like Evans, Guderzo benefitted from the neutralizing influence of a fast sprinter in the break. Vos easily took the sprint for second, while Cantele added a bronze medal to her silver from the time trial. After last year’s disappointment in Varese, where the Italian women finished out of the medals, they had plenty to smile about in Mendrisio. For the Americans, it must surely have been a bittersweet finish. Armstrong just missed the podium after the team rode the front for most of the day. Fate, she is cruel.

On the subject of cruelty, rumors are a-swirl that next year’s Giro course will involve some silly hard climbing. The Zoncolan and the Plan de Corones have sent their acceptance for next year’s May party. Reportedly, the Giro will climb the Zoncolan from the Ovaro side. A new climb will provide a zesty antipasto to the Zoncolan, and the stage will likely start in Mestre. It’s not clear when exactly the Zoncolan will show up, but late in the second week sounds most likely. The Plan de Corones, meanwhile, will host a cronoscalata on Tuesday of the final week on 25 May. The stage will follow the same course as the last edition, which Franco Pellizotti won.

A stage running from Brunico to Pejo Fonti may follow the cronoscalata and could include the Passo de Mendola. A finish in Pejo Fonti sounds relatively definite, at least as definite as course rumors ever are. Stage 17 also romps around Trentino. Rumor claims the Giro will race over the Gavia and the Mortirolo. An early rumor put a stage finish on the Gavia, but the lack of stage finish sort of infrastructure makes this idea unlikely. Anyway, the Gavia pairs with the Mortirolo like a nice Brunello and a plate of Penne alla Puttanesca. A press release from the province of Sondrio suggests a stage between Aprica and Bormio is in the works, a route that would almost certainly include the Gavia Pass.

If these third week rumors are correct, the Giro will arrive at its climbing finale in the Northern mountains and the Lombardia region. This pattern narrows the final stage possibilities, since a repeat of last year’s Roma finish would require a massive transfer over half the length of Italia. Cue rider protest in 3... 2... Of course, it wouldn’t be Giro without transfers, and rumor suggests that the Terminillo will also grace next year’s edition of the Giro. The Terminillo is in the Appennino in the Abruzzo region. If the rumored final week in Trentino is correct, the Terminillo would have to appear early in the second week to allow time for the Giro to make its way back up to Mestre for the suffering on the Zoncolan.

What about the first week, you ask? Yes, we are doing this backwards. The Session shows her caprice.

The Giro heads to the Netherlands for the start on 8 May. All the rage lately, these Netherlands. After three stages with Dutch people, the Giro returns to Italy. Two stages in Piedmont follow, including a tribute to Fausto Coppi which will visit Novi Liguri. The other Piedmont stage is rumored to visit Fossano. The rumor mill doesn’t seem to know what happens next, though a southward course seems likely from Piedmont, especially if the Giro truly intends to visit the Terminillo in Abruzzo.

Back of the envelope sketch: Three stages in the Netherlands, followed by a transfer/rest day. Two stages in Piedmont. Some stages south, perhaps along the Ligurian Coast before turning inland to arrive in Abruzzo for a hot date with the Terminillo by no later than midway through the second week. Perhaps second mountain stage in Abruzzo, since all good things come in pairs. A turn back northwards, with a transfer/rest day for good measure. Late in the second week, a visit to the Zoncolan with a start in Mestre, which is not far from Venezia. Then, a difficult and mountainous third week jaunt including the cronoscalata on the Plan de Corones and two mountain stages, with the Gavia and Mortirolo providing the climbing finale. A time trial has to fit in there somewhere, of course. Last, a finish in Milano, which is conveniently located near the northern mountains.

The official announcement comes on 24 October, and we can trust Zomegnan to have a surprise or two on the day. Why be predictable? Fickle, all the rage.

Lance Armstrong has also decided to play the unpredictable card. Rumors are flying that the American may ride the Giro d’Italia instead of the Tour of California. The two races run concurrently next season. I blame El Niño. In any case, Armstrong may skip the American race in favor of the Italian party. No doubt appearance fees will decide the deal. Last year, the Giro offered 2 million euro for Armstrong’s presence, but it’s not certain they will repeat such generosity this year. Armstrong to Tour of California: Don’t take me for granted. Me, I expect this story to play out until the last possible moment, generating constant stream of headlines and raising Armstrong’s asking price. He does like his headlines. I’ll be surprised to see Armstrong in Italy, but Fate does like to have her fun.

Next week, the Session will strive to appear on Wednesday, though predictability is not our strong suit. After all, striving and doing are so not the same, and a dash of fickle and a dab of caprice keep the dullness at bay.

Until next week!

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It's Friday.. ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 1, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me tell you

Where I am it is Spring already…..when is P-R? And the ronde?

Bah globalization!?!?!?

Your bike doesn't want to crash so relax and let it roll!!!

by perezbike on Oct 1, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

32 degrees C and the beach is fine ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 1, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh here we go again.

The weather forecast this morning informed me that it would be ‘fresher’ today. This is a euphemism for chilly. I’m wearing a SCARF I tell you, a SCARF!!

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 2, 2009 5:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Temperamental heating system.

There is a cold draught coming from somewhere→cold hands, cold feet, cold neck :-(

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 2, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't get too upset I'm going on holiday to the Alpes next week

I was hoping to ride my bike a bit

I’ve just made the mistake of looking at the weather forecast – rain, 35 mph winds, snow at altitude. Makes London sound balmy

by thebongolian on Oct 2, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well you are going on holiday...which is better than not going on holiday! ;-)

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 2, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

scarf, schmarf...

we’re in base layer, wool and fleece. ‘Fresher my butt, it’s alpine winter here. Till Indian summer rolls around to tease us for a week or two …

by Fred Marx on Oct 2, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's actually too warm for autumn here at the minute.

I’d go for clear & cold over cloudy & damp any day.

by civetta on Oct 2, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Something about the Giro rumors that always really interest me

and then the route presentation. Probably because you can always expect surprises and a bundle of fun in the Giro route. So let me get this right, a Terminillo finish, a Zoncloan finish, Plan de Corones TT, the Gavia-Mortirolo stage, and then probably another tough mountain stage. Yeah….yeah that will work. I wonder if the Giro will have a final stage TT again after the success of the last two years, with the race being up for grabs after stage 20. Also I find it funny how this may be the hardest climbing Giro in a while although it starts in the comically flat Netherlands.

Dammit Elk! I don't care if it's your mating season, you are disturbing my peaceful sleep! Just STFU!

by Phil H. on Oct 1, 2009 9:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ja

There might also be another mountain stage in Abruzzo around the Terminillo, but that’s just guesswork on my part. Like, why go all the way to Abruzzo for just one stage? I’d guess there’s also a crono after the Piedmont stages somewhere too. Hard to say for sure what the Aprica-Bormio stage will include, but the Gavia looks pretty likely there – of course, like every other major Giro passo is right there too. Ack, so many mountains.

Should be a hard race if all these stages go down as rumored.

by gavia on Oct 1, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seeing I don't know my Italian map quite so well

would you happen to know how far away from Bormio the top of Gavia is? Just a relative guess, they are doing Mort than Gav right?

Dammit Elk! I don't care if it's your mating season, you are disturbing my peaceful sleep! Just STFU!

by Phil H. on Oct 1, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bormio?

It’s pretty much right at the base of the Gavia. Which, if that finish is correct, may rule out the Mortirolo, actually, because it’s a bit of a hike from the Gavia to the Mortirolo. A descending finish off the Gavia to Bormio would be a very sweet stage. From Aprica, hmm, maybe they do the Mortirolo first, actually – I hadn’t thought of that until just now – but I think that is workable. There’s not mention of the Bormio 2000 climb, but I suppose that’s another option to pair with the Gavia as a finishing climb – it’s right there too.

by gavia on Oct 1, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean...

Bormio 2000 is right near Bormio – er, I guess that’s obvious.

And looking again, if Aprica and Bormio are the start finish – the source for that is a press release thingy from the province – then they would almost certainly ride the Mortirolo first, then the Gavia. Maybe pick up one climb in between – Vivione is right there too.

by gavia on Oct 1, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My God Gav, I ask one small question and then get all this for info

you give and you give and you give, thanks a bunch, sounds fun any way they do it..err is it October 24th yet?!

Dammit Elk! I don't care if it's your mating season, you are disturbing my peaceful sleep! Just STFU!

by Phil H. on Oct 1, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

i think I almost know the map of Italy better than the U.S., which is a bit frightening actually.

If you want to play along, the best maps are at viamichelin.fr Hit cartes, then enter the city. What’s cool about them is that they label all the mountain ranges and show the passes. The Googler totally fails at this.

by gavia on Oct 1, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but you can locate the US on a map, I'm sure you know many people can't

to which you must always go to the advice of Miss South Carolina 2007

I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because some people out there in our nation don’t have maps and I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and Iraq and everywhere like such as and I believe that they should our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S. or should help South Africa and should help Iraq and the Asian countries so we will be able to build up our future for us

Brilliance, pure brilliance

Dammit Elk! I don't care if it's your mating season, you are disturbing my peaceful sleep! Just STFU!

by Phil H. on Oct 1, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Phil, my boss is in the room and you made me snort.

That is priceless.

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 2, 2009 5:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

snort

Indeed, I can locate it on a map. I even own a map or two. Crazy, I know.

by gavia on Oct 2, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

moi

I like the idea of a final stage TT very much….

by rbjhan on Oct 1, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gav

I hate to tell you this, but it’s Friday afternoon here….

by rbjhan on Oct 1, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Look, we Earthlings don't care about what day it is on your weird planet...

Dammit Elk! I don't care if it's your mating season, you are disturbing my peaceful sleep! Just STFU!

by Phil H. on Oct 1, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup, and Gav...?

If you’re going to strive to deliver the Wednesday Session on Wednesday, it will need to be posted before 6am your time ;-). That’s unless the Kiwis have something to say on the matter…

by Lou... on Oct 2, 2009 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do we have any Kiwis?

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 2, 2009 5:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shades is one

There may be more

by Lou... on Oct 2, 2009 6:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are probably some lurkers about...

…come out, come out, wherever you are!

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 2, 2009 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Celerity is a Kiwi living in Oz

Remember her beautiful gingerbread man with the black fern on his kit?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

She goes home sometimes... ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is for the purposes of argument

It doesn’t need to bear any resemblance to reality ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah yes! That was fab.

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 2, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know...

Was it really tactical reasons that kept the favorites from going after Cadel at the end? Looked to me like he was just too strong for them by that point.

by tgartner on Oct 1, 2009 11:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol

Are you Aussie? If you’re Aussie, he was too strong ;-)

Me, he was strong, but there are always tactics in play, and Evans benefitted from the element of surprise – no one expected him to go when he did – and the stare-down among the others.

by gavia on Oct 1, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When the three got away from the other six

He benefitted from going with the right move at the right time. How much of it was luck and how much of it was calculated by Cadel? Hey, he made the decision to go when he did. We missed his move, but his attack most certainly caught the other two off guard and they paid the price for hesitating. But he was definitely one of the strongest at the end of the race. What I saw was that the others didn’t seem to see him as a threat, even after making it with the final 9 riders.

No horn, watch for finger.

by sminer on Oct 2, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with most of the coments

I say he was strong, good tactics/luck on the 3 man move, but also confident. He never looked back. Never.
Hesitation generated the 3 man move.
Hesitation generated Cadel move (j-rod looking back for their team mates)
More hesitation might have generated the win while the six man looked at each other while cadel did a deep dig.

And yeah unbelievable how Spain lost the race with 3/9 on the final selection

Your bike doesn't want to crash so relax and let it roll!!!

by perezbike on Oct 2, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm Australian too tgartner

and I don’t think it matters. Actually, in a way I do. he’s been the strongest before to no avail. On Sunday he shoed great judgement. Judging his moment has sometimes been harder for Cadel than keeping up, so his well-timed opportunism was brilliant.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not an aussie!

And I don’t even like Cadel much… Just think he deserves full credit for an impressive win. Though as you point out, perhaps his good tactics were more surprising than his strength.

by tgartner on Oct 2, 2009 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It wasn't me who made the assumption

although I bought into it. As you can see, I tried to apologise.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's with the exclamation mark?

Surely you mean it to be a frown emoticon….

by Lou... on Oct 2, 2009 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm hoping it means that you don't have to be Australian

to think Cuddles rode well?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like it.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 3, 2009 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not denying him credit at all

That was a lovely win. I enjoyed it a great deal. And a huge attack at the right place and time.

But there are nearly always tactics in play – that isn’t a criticism of Evans by any means, just how the game works.

by gavia on Oct 2, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what game play!?

"It looks like talking, but it’s just words that comes out"
~ Andy Schleck

by Hons on Oct 2, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that we made a thoughtless assumption here

Says a lot really…

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

some of them might not have assumed that he was gassed

he was the last of the 9 to join up, and he only got across when Cance sat up and SamSan wouldn’t pull through.

by R Mc on Oct 2, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

need more coffee

Meant: some of those guys might have assumed that Evans was toast because of the match he burnt to get back to the group of 8,

by R Mc on Oct 2, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for clarification. I was becoming even more confused..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That could very well be the case

Obviously they misjudged what he had left.

No horn, watch for finger.

by sminer on Oct 2, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ja

For sure – he didn’t make the selection inititally when Cancellara went on l’Acqua Fresca. Then, came across late. That might have been calculated, or he may have just been slightly mispositioned on the climb. The camera work wasn’t great there (and actually wasn’t great a lot of the time.) But I do think the others underestimated him which helped make his move succeed.

by gavia on Oct 2, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think someone quoted Sanchez

as saying they had to respect Rodriguez. So perhaps they thought, not too unreasonably, that J-Rod might drop Evans on the climb and win the race.

But as Chris pointed out in the other thread, they also failed to respond when Cunego went after Evans-Kolobnev-Rodriguez. If they weren’t afraid of Evans, surely they were afraid of Cunego. That’s what makes me think they just didn’t have the legs, or at least Valverde didn’t, since he was supposed to be the one marking Cunego.

by tgartner on Oct 3, 2009 5:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will review the videos

then I will come back with an opinion (I watched it live but…still not sure)

Your bike doesn't want to crash so relax and let it roll!!!

by perezbike on Oct 1, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well he seemed very strong

but I still believe the Spaniards royally fucked up, but seeing that made sure Valverde didn’t win I am quite happy they did so.

Dammit Elk! I don't care if it's your mating season, you are disturbing my peaceful sleep! Just STFU!

by Phil H. on Oct 2, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quite pleased they F'd up

Still stunned at how pleased I am for Cadel. Don’t get tired of watching the finale of theat race. But man, I still wanted a Cance sweep.

No horn, watch for finger.

by sminer on Oct 2, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm relieved that an Australian beat Cance

otherwise I’d have been crying into my beer for different reasons ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

si

The Spanish misplayed it in my view – they had a better chance than they allowed themselves.

by gavia on Oct 2, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hated I missed the women's race

And I hated how it turned out for the US women. Would have liked to have seen Stevens driving the pace up the climbs.

No horn, watch for finger.

by sminer on Oct 2, 2009 12:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Isn't it

still available on demand at Universal? I thought it was, at least.

by gavia on Oct 2, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, will check.

No horn, watch for finger.

by sminer on Oct 2, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mini Bjarne leaves Saxobank

Saxobank’s press officer Brian Nygaard will join Team Sky.

Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.

by TheFigurehead on Oct 2, 2009 3:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good value that Lionel...

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 2, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah but he has nowt to say

about Scott Sunderland’s website which has a big pic of Basso waving the Giro trophy under his management palmares

by civetta on Oct 2, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

seriously?

Sunderland has that on his webby? Gah. I mean, Basso only thought about doping for that race, but still…

by gavia on Oct 2, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That guy is a dick

I mean in a useless euro sort of way.
I have it on his authority that his shit doesn’t stink.
Does the cycling world need another flunky, hanger-on floating to the top?
Puleeze

by MavicMoto on Oct 5, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

eeehhhh?

Based on what?

by Jens on Oct 6, 2009 6:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You bit..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 6, 2009 6:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, it's a serious question & Jens is right to ask it.

People are hinting at stuff about this guy all over the place but if you don’t know why you don’t know why, do you? So it’s really not “biting” to ask.

Plus, I would love to know what constitutes “a useless euro sort of way”… ;-)

by civetta on Oct 6, 2009 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know it's serious

and I’m curious too. But my memory suggests this is a path littered with frustration :)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 6, 2009 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See my tagline. I have nothing more to add.

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 2, 2009 5:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think this version meets the regulations
Shorts (if matching the jersey): the rainbow band on each leg of the shorts shall be 8cm in height. A clear area 35mm wide must be preserved between the green band and the hem of the shorts

by majope on Oct 2, 2009 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Majope, this is too hard for me

Will you please use your lovely prose to interpret?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

basically

the rainbow must be horizontal….

by rbjhan on Oct 2, 2009 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I used to be good at IQ tests until visual literacy

became part of the equation. Aren’t they horizontal in both? :(

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On a computer? Playstation?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DSi

remember that?
here

by rbjhan on Oct 2, 2009 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't remember, but it looks like fun

I’m conditioned to think that nintendo, playstaions etc are bad. Books, films are good ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

'Mum' young lady. Mind your manners ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that rbjhan

is ahead of me on the deportation list ;-). This is not the first time that we have seen such… spelling errors

(and before the argument starts – rbjhan is an Australian citizen living in Australia, yes it IS a spelling error, ’k?)

by Lou... on Oct 2, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol!

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh... now I get it!

I was concentrated on the very ‘butch’ mannequin, rather than the shorts. I was expecting the worst…and I got it. Cadel can’t take a trick ;(

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

So funny that the UCI has a special diagram for the Worlds kit.

by gavia on Oct 2, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yet another thing to hold against them

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get 2x "25 cm² MAN"

Does this mean the UCI will accept both, er, lefties and righties?

by tedvdw on Oct 2, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have a look at the mannequin in Lou's link

Left and right together could be accommodated. I’m sure it was designed for Cance. The link is earlier in the thread.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

snort

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 2, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they built those knicks for Fabian

That’s some model. Can’t even start the white shorts thing again. Morons :(

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Black shorts make you go faster

They also save your dignity. (Um…Is the Badger a good example?) In avoiding the curse of the rainbow jersey, Cuddles is going to need all the help he can get.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 4:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you see this set of Fabian pics on Mendrisio?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/leevice/3959983644/in/photostream/

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I must admit I find them hard to look at

Talk about a thousand-yard stare :-(.

The few from the TT are nice, though :-). But… what the hell is with the tag on the seam?!

by Lou... on Oct 2, 2009 4:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, thank you. That's... um, interesting...

I would say that it’s clever marketing – ’cept I have never noticed it before…

by Lou... on Oct 2, 2009 5:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only BMC rides in Assos

(and the Swiss national team, apparently)

by tedvdw on Oct 2, 2009 6:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they're beautiful

It’s the whole warrior thing :)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw a re-run of "House" at the gym.

I think this is the effect they were trying to go for. Sad, hollow-cheeked and bristly.

by JFS_PGH on Oct 3, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting set of pics

Here, too. Press conference photos, featuring some gorgeous shots of Swiss cyclists :-). A press conference with Tony and Bertogliati… man, I am amazed that people were capable of asking questions… I’d have been struck dumb if faced with such a critical mass of male beauty! (Bertogliati is one of the few cyclists who I find incredibly easy on the eye, too…)

by Lou... on Oct 3, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bertogliati...how could I have forgotten about him?!

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 4, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what’s up with the Tintin he’s holding?

by ant1 on Oct 2, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

gift from the team sponsor

Coucke (Omega Pharma dude) apparently gave Evans a rare 1942 edition of a Tintin book, knowing that Evans is a Tintin fan.

by guidemd on Oct 2, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cronoscalata...I do love that word

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 2, 2009 5:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sure

you don’t have to ride it.

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris... on Oct 2, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll just leave it to the experts thanks ;-)

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 2, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one of my favorites

I do love what the Italians do with cycling words. Lovely, really.

by gavia on Oct 2, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But wait! There's more! on Evans...

In response to the article brought to our attention the other day (the sourceless one ;-) …):

Stephens say it’s a load of bollocks (I’m paraphrasing here)

by Lou... on Oct 2, 2009 6:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Saw that

and then some other stuff from Cuddles. Who knows? As far as I’m concerned it was a good win from a good team. I’ve decided to look no further..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

daylight saving starts next weekend

somehow I still feel like winter here….not a fan of daylight saving I must say…..bah.

by rbjhan on Oct 2, 2009 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Living in Melbourne will do that to you..

(I know why you don’t like it..)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I love it! (BTW, by 'next weekend' you mean 04/10/09, yeah?)

Doesn’t feel like winter here… 33 degrees yesterday, not so warm today but it’s 21 right now ;-).

Heh, as of Sunday, CycleGirl will be in a different timezone to us… this could be interesting, LOL

by Lou... on Oct 2, 2009 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually I wanted to say next week

why did I put “end” to it? that’s self evident, no?

plus, in case you haven’t noticed, I’ve been talking weather for a whole week now.

by rbjhan on Oct 2, 2009 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We noticed. You're a very strong person

but you disappeared for a couple of days. ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

according to my firefox

it’s 12 degrees here right now…

by rbjhan on Oct 2, 2009 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On Safari, it's 20 :)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just realized I was talking weather on twitter....

so you probably didn’t see that, ha ha.

by rbjhan on Oct 2, 2009 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thermometer says 21.

You lot have heard of those, haven’t you?

by Lou... on Oct 2, 2009 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oooh. Well played...

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah right.

somehow I am not jealous.

by rbjhan on Oct 2, 2009 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I've noticed alright, LOL

And I applaud and encourage you in your efforts ;-).

I expect that we’ll be treated to a running commentary on Melbourne weather throughout the year…

by Lou... on Oct 2, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can we talk about Frinking's brilliant thread as an alternative?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

frinkster is funny

but he lacks dating skills….our Euro cutie is out of the question I’m afraid….

by rbjhan on Oct 2, 2009 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Old person here... I'm talking about his writing skills;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With jens' help, possibly... :)

Don’t forget the Obama smile. A sense of humour is mandatory, surely?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is this a weather call?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not unless you are frinkster

but he doesn’t do weather talk….he’ll probably threaten to ban me…ha ha

by rbjhan on Oct 2, 2009 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And ask you for a drink in the next breath ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's worrying when you start speaking about yourself in the third person...

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a Facebook thing

I didn’t have much to add so just wanted to click the ‘Like’ button then couldn’t find it.

by tedvdw on Oct 2, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

One more reason not to use Facebook…

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Facebook has its lame moments

but it’s fun to keep track of friends who otherwise drop off the planet.

by gavia on Oct 2, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know. i jest ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm

The fear of being tracked down by people from school I’d rather hoped had forgotten me & students I’ve supervised is what keeps me off it…

by civetta on Oct 2, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

kinda depends

on how much information you give it, and who you allow to see your profile. you can lock down a lot of stuff, actually.

by gavia on Oct 2, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Multiply that by tens

and you can imagine my problem ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant because of teaching...aargh

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 2, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 on the forgotten ones...

I like my relative anonymity thank you. I f I have to join to see what a friend half way around the world is up to, I lose interest. Quickly.

by Fred Marx on Oct 3, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lopan's been doing it for years here

I mean uh... hasn't that ever occurred to you, man? Sir?

by Drew... on Oct 2, 2009 9:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who is that man

and what has he done to Cadel!?!

"It looks like talking, but it’s just words that comes out"
~ Andy Schleck

by Hons on Oct 2, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No, manical smile because of the evil power of white shorts!

"As you can imagine, there are better places to have your birthday party than in some village called Mushny Mush Mishme." --The Wisdom of Jens

by Josenka on Oct 2, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Abruzzo stages

Gav — you just KNOW they’re stopping in L’Aquila. Which raises my hopes of a pass through Fontecchio.

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris... on Oct 2, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That one cow town?

Dream on.

I mean uh... hasn't that ever occurred to you, man? Sir?

by Drew... on Oct 2, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a town called Fontecchio?

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 2, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funnily enough it didn't show up at first

when I searched on Google Maps, but then it did when I searched for “Fontecchi AQ, IT” and now it even does w/o the AQ. Ah well.

20 km SE of L’Aquila.

by tedvdw on Oct 2, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The comune has a rather good website (Italian only, I think. But the pictures are nice.)

by civetta on Oct 2, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Si

Fonticulanum. Cool stuff.

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris... on Oct 2, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was

on the route in 2005. Made me weep with joy.

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris... on Oct 2, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zomeggy

is a rank sentimentalist.

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris... on Oct 2, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

for sure

wouldn’t he have to turn in his italian card if he weren’t?

by gavia on Oct 2, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Armstrong and May Bike Races

I just read a thingy in the Italian press this morning that Armstrong has not yet made up his mind about whether he will ride next year’s Giro. So, yeah, bidding war.

by gavia on Oct 2, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Novi Ligure

I love how Italians seem, quite sincerely, to love that which they once hated. Novi Ligure is where Coppi moved with Giulia Occhini once their affair became official — and it was the scandal of all Italy. Now their villa there is home to the Campionissimo again. Of course, it’s easier to change your mind when you’re doing so to recognize tragic love.

Anyway, it’s always good to see the Campionissimo honored.

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris... on Oct 2, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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