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Paris-Tours: SECOND Live Thread

All together now: GREIPEL DROPPED OUT!!!



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Gilbert!

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Oct 11, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

CAV

I mean uh... hasn't that ever occurred to you, man? Sir?

by Drew Davis on Oct 11, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow

he just saw Greipel. Does he see dead people too?

"It looks like talking, but it’s just words that comes out"
~ Andy Schleck

by Hons on Oct 11, 2009 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Scary!

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Oct 11, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

hahahaa!

"It looks like talking, but it’s just words that comes out"
~ Andy Schleck

by Hons on Oct 11, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Martin sees Griepel in the group!

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Oct 11, 2009 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I love the Skil uni

I mean uh... hasn't that ever occurred to you, man? Sir?

by Drew Davis on Oct 11, 2009 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Yep, I had to order one.

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Oct 11, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awwwwwww

someone had to go ruin our fun

"It looks like talking, but it’s just words that comes out"
~ Andy Schleck

by Hons on Oct 11, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

This is setting up nicely

if everyone is watching Greipel, that plays into Farrar’s hands.

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 11, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 11, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Told you Boonen

wasn’t going for the sprint

"It looks like talking, but it’s just words that comes out"
~ Andy Schleck

by Hons on Oct 11, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Boonen leaving his sprinter days behind? Now riding like a real Classics genius?

by Yossarian12 on Oct 11, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Bozic too!

Wow, great attack. I do so love watching Boonen the Classics Guy, as opposed to the bunch sprinter.

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 11, 2009 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Nah

GVA probably blew himself up to get the gap up. Notice how Gilbert didn’t work til GVA blew?

by Douglas Ansel on Oct 11, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Oct 11, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

GVA gone

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Oct 11, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Does the group give up?

    Don’t want to tow any sprinters

by flying dog on Oct 11, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

2 more cotes

Cote du Pont Volant, 400m at 7%, at 5 km to go
Cote du Petit Pas d Ane, 500m at 7%, at 4 km to go

by peterfish on Oct 11, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

PG realizes his mistake.

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Oct 11, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Pippo!

Looking very old school

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 11, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah

except the part about how he’s mistaken for Hooter.

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 11, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"It looks like talking, but it’s just words that comes out"
~ Andy Schleck

by Hons on Oct 11, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

simplicity

I supose the real old school was the tricolore and black shorts.

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 11, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pippo missed Tommeke’s wheel!

by Yossarian12 on Oct 11, 2009 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

The peloton seems gone gone gone

wonder if they still have a chance of getting it back together? – NO !

by peterfish on Oct 11, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Gotta be close

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Oct 11, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Hey, Boonen's on my Ed Liga VDS!!!

GO Tom!

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Oct 11, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Bozic should attack and hope Gilbert and Boonen watch each other.

by Yossarian12 on Oct 11, 2009 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Go Tom!

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 11, 2009 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Points Baby!

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Oct 11, 2009 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Gilbert killed them!

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Oct 11, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Very

Tom never had a chance.

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Oct 11, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Beans

playing it perfectly… but Gilbert holds him off anyway!!!!!

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 11, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Well done!

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 11, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Nah, he was counting on Bozic

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Oct 11, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's cross with himself

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 11, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dunno

he was on the wheel, I don’t think he was coming around with another 200 meters.

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 11, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

the overhead shot seemed to show him closing a fairly big gap (after Gilbert jumped left)

but Gilbert …. was strong

Moo

by Willj on Oct 11, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hm

Hm… well this is interesting. Hey, that’s cycling.

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 11, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome

everything left on the road

by Jens on Oct 11, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Boonen blew it, but excellent effort for late in the year

by Yossarian12 on Oct 11, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Don’t they race back to Paris now?

;)

Moo

by Willj on Oct 11, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Yep

Gilbert gets the first points, but Boonen can still win the overall.

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 11, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tom points helping out.

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Oct 11, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Can Gilbert pull the PT-GdL double?

by Yossarian12 on Oct 11, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

ok now...

I really want it to be April. That was so classics-like it was great.

by Ed K on Oct 11, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

crashed

"It looks like talking, but it’s just words that comes out"
~ Andy Schleck

by Hons on Oct 11, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

yup

"It looks like talking, but it’s just words that comes out"
~ Andy Schleck

by Hons on Oct 11, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's in the first thread somewhere

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 11, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

DNF accident I think

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 11, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

fade to black

bye everyone see you next weekend !

by peterfish on Oct 11, 2009 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

VDS

Results from official site

1. Philippe Gilbert 250
2. Tom Boonen 200
3. Borut Bozic 180
4. Filippo Pozzato 160
5. Oscar Freire 140
6. Francesco Gavazzi 120
7. Gerben Lowik 100
8. Pablo Lastras 90
9. Martin Reimer 80
10. Yauheni Hutarovich 70
11. Jonathan Hivert 60
12. Arnaud Gerard 50
13. Johnny Hoogerland 40
14. Greg Van Avermaet 30
15. Serguei Ivanov 15

by majope on Oct 11, 2009 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm nominating myself as "ass of the day"

Just noticed I could have watched the race live on danish tv.

by Jens on Oct 11, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

You mean the Paris-Tours?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 11, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ooh, bugger!

I think Chris was prescient about moving Greipel and Farrar off the front page ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 11, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just realized cyclocross

is what me and my friends competed in all the time when we were kids. We just didn’’t know it.

by Jens on Oct 11, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

there's something slightly junior-school-sports-day-on-bikes about cross that puts me off a little bit

With added me lugging my bike upstairs to my flat.

(I assume it’s like olives & avocados & that I’ll get there eventually)

by civetta on Oct 11, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Umbrellas out...

Will this get muddy (I hope)

by fancan on Oct 11, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

True...

but after the “hardest course he has ever race” according to Albert, it should be a lot closer than it was yesterday

by Vlaanderen90 on Oct 11, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

“Horses for courses” but Namur was the same top 3 as Treviso, w/ Nys thrown in for good measure, and today already looks about the same.

by tedvdw on Oct 11, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

There are always hecklers around the course, and a lot of Nys supporters. Wellens just said the Albert is (too) sensitive to that.

by tedvdw on Oct 11, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yes, or that obviously

There are always 1 or 2 pits along the course, riders may change bikes whenever they want. The old bike gets quickly cleaned up by his staff and he can get a fresh one on the next lap.

by tedvdw on Oct 11, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, this may not sound like an important question to you, but I've always

wondered: do you get to carry your beer out to the course, or do you have to stay in/near the beer tent?

by Ruthann on Oct 11, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Free to wander

They only use plastic “glasses”

by tedvdw on Oct 11, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

This ain't 'merica

my bet is you go where you want with it. Culture and all that.

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Oct 11, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nys and Albert off the front?

Sorry recognition not as good as road racers.

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Oct 11, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Niels Albert, world champion

Sven Nys, Belgian champion

by tedvdw on Oct 11, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nys opening up

the proverbial can of whup-ass now.

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Oct 11, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Ha! They're just talking about that

New investment by the barrier renting company.

by tedvdw on Oct 11, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the best feed I've had to any race!

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 11, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very good for me, too.

Best of the year might be the Gazzetta feed for TA, if I’m remembering correctly.

by majope on Oct 11, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where's their beer in plastic cups?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 11, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is today a very 'clean' day?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 11, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Nys has already won

200 CX races as a professional, of which 48!! from the Superprestige series (8 per season). Today will be 201 and 49.

by tedvdw on Oct 11, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Something like that

The Belgian pronunciation of the y/ij is more like the Italian è. Received pronunciation is a vowel sound not present in English: wiki

by tedvdw on Oct 11, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

They seem to run the name together, too—something like Sveness.

by majope on Oct 11, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

as ever, depends which English

northerners generally have something very close to è

by civetta on Oct 12, 2009 5:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right :)

But the reeeeeal (common Dutch, not Flemish) ij/y sound is not like the è. It’s in between the è and German ei, I think.

by tedvdw on Oct 12, 2009 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had a really good French teacher at school (a Scot) who said we were lucky to have excellent vowels for German & Italian & not bad ones for French. This seems to have been true to me (though as a Scot he had the advantage on us with the unpronounceable – to us – German “ch”). Alas, he never let us know his opinion on Dutch, & he sodded off to the FE college after I’d done my GCSEs, else I might’ve actually been able to speak French!

by civetta on Oct 12, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are 8 races in each series

Superprestige series is the only one to have webcast each time for sure, GVA Trofee maybe, World Cup probably not or maybe on CTV/US.

by tedvdw on Oct 11, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

More questions, but how many guys roughly start a race?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 11, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

around 40?

I have no clue, just a wild guess

by Bruce Suomi on Oct 11, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It looked like about 40 finishing in dribs and drabs.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 11, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I rather overestimated

From this year’s results http://www.cyclingnews.com/cyclo-cross

Treviso: 53
Namur: 35
Ruddervoorde: not up yet

by tedvdw on Oct 11, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

American crosses definitely have bigger fields

but the top 5 or 10 of the Belgian elite are so much faster that allowing more than they do today, is inviting mayhem. (because of all the lapped riders very soon in the race)

by tedvdw on Oct 11, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks tedvdw.

You are making a lot of new fans for ’cross.

by fancan on Oct 11, 2009 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Really interesting and great feed. Thanks.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 11, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

That may still be true

but it’s exciting. I can’t ever imagine doing it though…cold, wet, muddy =(

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 11, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it would be a blast.

This course, at least, seemed to have all the best bits from our local single-track mountain bike course, only without the nasty tree roots and steep fall to the river if you miss a turn.

by majope on Oct 11, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

More points for me!!!! Hee hee.

But what’s this all about Niels?! You lost?! Bah Sven Nys!

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 11, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Highlight of post race interview w Gilbert

Courtesy of CN:

“To win this race, strategy is needed prior to the start,” he explained. "I looked closely at the weather forecast yesterday and there was a big chance of a tailwind on the avenue de Grammont.

“Therefore I put a 54 ring instead of the 53. I knew I had a bigger gear than my adversaries in the end. I was able to reach a higher speed than them. With 500 metres to go, I had in mind to start my sprint at the 250 metres mark but I chose to go at 300. I moved away from Tom Boonen to surprise him and avoid him sitting on my wheel.”

And VN:

“I knew right from the off that I had a big sprint in me if I found myself in the mix to win it. I have always said I fear no one in the sprint when it comes down to a tough race."

"It looks like talking, but it’s just words that comes out"
~ Andy Schleck

by Hons on Oct 11, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe Boonen would have paid attention to the weather

if the forecast had been for sn—

Never mind. We’ve got to let it drop sometime.

by majope on Oct 11, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

haahahahah

no we don’t :)

"It looks like talking, but it’s just words that comes out"
~ Andy Schleck

by Hons on Oct 11, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

My man PG!

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Oct 11, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm certain if I don't watch Philippe wins!!! Wahoo Phil!!

Now, hurry up worlds so I can meet up with him again!

"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"

Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009

by CycleGirl on Oct 11, 2009 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

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