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Techs-Mechs: Winterizing your bike. Part 1- shutting it down.

Some of you from North America and Europe may be experiencing the first signs of winter and may have headed for the warmer confines of riding in the woods, or are focusing on 'cross, or maybe just indoor training.  Personally I ride the roads through the winter as long as they are clear of snow and ice (this gets dicey in Massachusetts in Jan and Feb).  I dedicate a bike for this duty (Part 2 forthcoming) so i put my warm-weather road bikes away for the winter.  Before I put them away, they get a thorough cleaning so come April, I'm jumping on a pristine bike to begin the warm weather training.  What's my method?

 

Frame:  After I rinse it down with a low pressure hose, I use a bucket of warm soapy water and a scrub brush.  I do this on the stand with the wheels off.  After it's been thouroughly washed and rinsed, I remove all hardware like brake bolts, derailleur clamps, cable stops, bottle cages etc.  These areas are absolute dirt magnets and soaking the hardware in a cleaner/degreaser and re-applying some fresh grease/thread compound will help prevent rust as well as ensure nothing freezes up on you.  After everything is cleaned and re-assembled, i wipe it all down with some armour-all wipes. I used to use Pedros Bike Lust, but really it seems to be essentially armour all anyway.  The wipes make it easy too.  At this point I am also checking for paint chips and reparing these as needed. 

 

Wheels:  Wheels get the same basic treatment as the frame.  I remove the tires and tubes and inspect the rim tape, but also make sure it's dry and clean inside (you'd be surprised at how much water can find it's way in here).  I remove the skewers, lockrings and cassettes to clean the freehub and hubs.  I confess that I haven't planned to repack my bearings on the hubs.  Perhaps next winter, but mileage was light this year and evenly split over a couple pretty new wheelsets.  I don't rplace tires until the spring since the old ones will see roller duty over the winter.  I don't toss them until they are really killed.  Plus spring time doesn't exactly mean perfect road surfaces, so the fresh rubber doesn't come out until the more important rides approach. 

 

Drivetrain:  I like to start the year off with a fresh chain, so I don't spend a lot of time cleaning the one on there (just a toss it in a tupperware of degreaser and shake it a bit, wipe clean, re-lube).  I do however remove the cassette and soak the cogs in degreaser and wipe until they shine.  While it's apart, I will also clean the deraileurs pretty thoroughly, especially the jockey wheels (some cleaner/degreaser on a brush).  I check to make sure the springs and hardware are rust free as well.  I also like to remove the BB, for cleaning and reapplying thread compound as well as remove all the crankset hardware and rings for a thorough cleaning.  Overkill? Maybe, but again, it's all apart and this hardware is a great collection spot for dirt as well.

 

Cables: I'm pretty anal about my cables year round, so I don't target winter as a time to strip all cables/housing and replace, however I would certainly suggest that everyone takes the time to inspect cables for rust or fraying, check housing for cracks/splits and make sure the ferrules are free of corrosion.  I like to spread a fine layer of grease on the cables under the housing to keep them smooth.  Grease can be a dirt magnet, so i do not apply to the exposed cables.  I have taken part in more than a few early spring group rides delayed due to neglected cables.  It's particulary alarming when someone loses their rear brake's abilty to stop.  Take a few minutes here please. 

 

Other, saddle, post, stem, bars, pedals. 

Post: The seatpost hardware as well as clamp is another area that is in the line of fire for road spray.  I treat this hardware just like everything else.  It gets removed, cleaned re-greased and re-applied.  I remove the post from the frame as well and clean the seat tube as well as the post.

Stems: I remove each stem bolt and clean the holes our with a q-tip, and re-apply the grease here.  Fortunately with 4-bolt face plates and 2-bolt steerer clamps this can be done one at a time without having to lose your bar position.  None of my bikes have a compression plug (the C-Dale has a star nut and the Opera has an epoxied insert with a bolt hole).  I remove the top cap and bolt and clean/regrease as well.  2 things here.  1) Carbon and grease don't play well together, so any grease used around my carbon steerers needs to be applied very lightly and just to the threads.  2)  some of you may have a compression plug (or bunge) in here to pack your headset.  If you aren't comfortable with removing it yourself, don't.  I have removed these many times, but not all forks use the same system.  Reynolds and FSA compression caps allow for removal of the top cap without pulling the whole plug out or affecting the postion/torgue.  Again, just wipe it clean inside, and maybe a little grease on the threads.  I really just like to make sure that I can remove the cap, so it isn't frozen in there. 

Pedals:  remove, clean threads, re-grease and re-apply.  I use this time to grease the innards of the speedplays as well. 

Other:  I apply some armour all to the saddle to keep it nice and shiny too. Also, I like to wash the bar tape with some warm soapy water.  i don't replace until it's really worn so this can occur at any point not just  winter.  I use the winter time as well to replace other items like cleats, brake hoods or pads. 

 

Now when April rolls around your bike will be in great condition even if the rider isn't .

 

Anything I've missed or your own thoughts would be appreciated. 

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Uh, Wow

That is pretty serious! I like to keep things tidy, but that makes me look like a slob.
I am wondering what I would have to pay to have all of that done?

Maybe I can do these things in stages, I do have a couple of months.
Thanks for the info.

If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when are you going to have time to do it again?

by CannonDowell on Oct 12, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I usually do it in stages

The chainring bolts are a bit of a pain (and you can ignore them if you want to), but the rest isn’t that bad.

by Mr Van P on Oct 12, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

general maintenance question

I love bikes, but I know absolutely nothing about them. By the end of the year, I’ll have almost 4,000 miles, so my bike is in dire need of a good cleaning and maintenance. Usually, I just take the bike into the local shop and have them do everything. But, I’d like to try and start doing some of the small things on my own.

Where do I start? Do I need to buy a book? Website?

by PopUp Rolen on Oct 12, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lennard Zinn, The Art of Road bike Maintenance...If you want to do your own stuff it would be wise to get this book

It is complete with illustrations and he goes into a step by step process on almost anything imaginable

by Vlaanderen90 on Oct 12, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ask here

obviously, there are at least a few of us who are into these things. And aside from more positive test results, what else are we going to talk about for the next few months?

(Tip one: you really do want a repair stand. No, it’s not at all essential. But it will make almost everything 100% easier.)

by Sui Juris on Oct 12, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. I like the type that clamps on to

the seatpost and has plenty of adjustment.

by Mr Van P on Oct 12, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bike stands are reasonably cheap to purchase

You can get a new one for around $100. Or you can “DIY” one…

by Jimbo... on Oct 12, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup

With you on that (and invite a visit any time to confirm). I am pretty protective of my space, and held off for a while on getting one. Took me all of a day with one to wonder why I’d waited so long. To truly appreciate this, you’ll have to struggle along w/o one for a while, and then buy one :)

~

But aside from that, I’d say that you can get by with a pretty insignificant outlay on tools (don’t be tempted by the cheapest, but no need to go for the Park pro line). Sorting bikes out on your own is enormously satisfying (well, it is for me). It will tend, however, to turn your livingroom into your (best?) friends’ LBS. Like Van P, you should charge a Two Chimay Minimum (at minimum).

by Sui Juris on Oct 12, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the Park Tool website

http://www.parktool.com/

Take the wheels off and you can try cleaning the cassette with a brush, pulleys too. It’s easier if you have the tools to remove it (lockring tool and chain whip), but you can clean it right there. wipe the chain off and add some fresh lube as well. It helps to have a nice workstand too, but for years i did work with the bike on the taining stand.

I use campy chains with a connex link for easy removal without a chain tool. This makes the job easier,

A lot of bike maintanence is really about keeping it clean and lubed. Stuff like tires, pads, cables, chains, chainrings and cassettes wear out over time but not all at once.

My LBS does a winter “tune up special” for $100 which basically means they strip the bike down to the frame, clean and rebuild. It’s extra $ if they need to replace anything. I’ve been dabbling for years, but about 5 years ago I realized that my “tune ups” were better than my LBS’. The money I saved went toward tools and a workstand. Bike maintanence is fun…

by Mr Van P on Oct 12, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wish that I could do this type of maintenance..

but since I am a poor student, I stretch my tires as long as they go and my chain until I can’t shift it but since I am a former LBS employee, I try to do what I can. I do think that your advice on the drivetrain isn’t overkill because it really is what makes your bike go and it should be spared no expense.

One thing that you could add is with brakes: Something along the lines of check the pads for wear and if there is any uneven wear, use a large file to shave off any excess that could hurt braking performance. Also lube the brake bolts and the pad bolts. Also if you can see metal shavings from the brake track in the pad, extract them with a exacto-knife or whatever is comparable.

Also on cables, if you have any lube that comes in a can, like Tri-flow, you could always spray some of it down the cable housing instead of greasing up the cable. I usually put some of the Phil Wood lube on my cables and then spray Tri-Flow in the housing to make sure everything is nice and happy

by Vlaanderen90 on Oct 12, 2009 6:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on the pads, and have picked

shards of metal from them. I remove and regrease those bolts too. Anything that close to the tires will have a year’s worth of road spray that needs some attention. I like to toe-in the pads and need to realign as well. Thanks for mentioning it. I also agree on Zinn’s book and anything by the late Sheldon Brown.

by Mr Van P on Oct 12, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Petey, what day can I bring my bike down

for you to clean?

I mean uh... hasn't that ever occurred to you, man? Sir?

by Drew... on Oct 12, 2009 6:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Any time. You know my fee. Two botles of Chimay

(but you have to drink one with me). We can watch the 2003 Ronde.

by Mr Van P on Oct 12, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My method:

[looking at bike] “HTFU.”

Part II forthcoming.

by Sui Juris on Oct 12, 2009 6:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Part II

[looking in mirror] “HTFU.”

Das ist alles.

by Sui Juris on Oct 12, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was

waiting for the right time to spring this on you, but now I realize there will never really be a “right” time for it.

by Sui Juris on Oct 12, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would you ruin a perfectly good saddle like that?

On the flip side, nobody will steal it because of its tremendous ugliness, which is something…

by Jimbo... on Oct 12, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wah

I missed this the first time around. Armor All on the saddle? Just say no, kids. Invites way too much slipping and sliding. Just keep it clean.

(On the other hand, I missed a clip-in in a hard push off the light this weekend, and with what resulted? I really could have used some additional lube.)

by Sui Juris on Oct 12, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a little slick for a mile or two

but it works in. Ok to skip it obviously. Just like it shiny on the rack. My saddles are leather, but armour all wouldn’t do much on my MTB saddle (some kind of cloth fabric).

by Mr Van P on Oct 12, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A couple things to add that may save you a lot of money . . . .

1 – Cables & Housing: Replace early & often. Why? The majority of friction, and thus force applied to those STI/Ergo systems comes from the cables and housing. Contamination to the housing is an undeniable fact and in order to make the system last far longer simply change the housing.
So, if you’re going to REALLY do a winter cleaning, then remove the C&H as it will make the cleaning process easier and the shifters will thank you for it.
Don’t inspect, just cut them off and replace.

2 – Now that you’ve pulled the cables, the bars were unwrapped, and this allows you to inspect your bars for any sign of cracking, or whatever. In the age of carbon bars you really should do this more often then everyone here probably does.
Alloy bars are a bit more impact resistant, the same should be done with those also.

3 – There are many, many Non-Petroleum based, carbon friendly forms of grease out there.
Phil Wood is not one of them, but Tri Flow has some; along with a huge list of others.

4 – Mark the seat post and pull it.
While Galvanic Corrosion does ensure your seat height will remain the same, you may want the option of removing your post from time to time in the future.

by Ryan_Liles on Oct 13, 2009 12:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great edits, Ryan, as usual.

What is your opinion on fastener thread lubricants? In the industrial world, we use anti-sieze paste on threads that we’ll want to remove later (Molykote P37). I’m knocking the cobwebs off my steel frame this fall/winter and there’s small amounts of surface rust here and there (bottle cage bolt holes, brake bridge, etc.). Is there a thread lubricant/process you recommend? Thanks.

"My facking goat didn’t wear Robes! Does he look Scottisch?!" Baron von Frinkenstein

by itswells on Oct 13, 2009 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I present to you . . . .

 . . . . . McMaster-Carr
Threadlocking compounds
Locktite 222 or 262 work really good for most applications.

While I’ve never specifically tried MOLYKOTE, my luck with anti-seize on anything other then Ti has not gone well simply due to the stuff seems to get washed away.

On Bottom Brackets – Good ‘Ol Teflon Tape is the absolute BEST! Put it on and you’ll get no squeaks on BB shells of any materail.

by Ryan_Liles on Oct 13, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool, thanks!

I’ve never thought about using thread-locking compound on my fasteners, but I guess it makes sense. Especially in areas like the seat-post binder bolt.

"My facking goat didn’t wear Robes! Does he look Scottisch?!" Baron von Frinkenstein

by itswells on Oct 13, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No need really

I’d have thought threadlock was overkill, especially on something like bottle bosses that don’t have a significant load. I really hope I’m not proven wrong now! Would be tempted to threadlock chainring bolts though, if nothing else. Pedals stay tight if you do ’em up correctly (righty-tighty, lefty loose-y).

I use a tiny bit of copper-based grease or anti-seize like Copaslip on pedal, seat post bolt and just about any nut-bolt type thread. Use standard lithium/teflon grease on things like seat post, in bearings etc to keep moving things sweet and keep moisture out, but always copper grease on threads you tighten and leave there. You only need tiny amounts so a tin or tube lasts years.

Last winter in the UK we had a sustained period of frosty weather and the amount of salt used on the roads was much more than usual. My bike ran fine throughout but the areas that suffered were: sluggishness changing gear (muck in the rear gear cable), excessive brake pad wear and unsightly corrosion on bolts anywhere within reach of road spray, including the brake pivot QR.

I wouldn’t bother ‘servicing’ gear cables with grease, it’s a false economy. Buy a new set and replace inners and outers together.

Manufacturers’ advice is not to degrease chains too thoroughly – you merely strip the factory grease from between surfaces, shortening its life. I apply a citrus degreaser very lightly with a toothbrush then rinse immediately and dry with a rag. Once bone dry throughout it gets lubed lightly with Green Oil, an excellent petroleum-free wet lube. The chainrings and cassette get a scrub with the toothbrush & citrus before a rinse and a good rub with the rag. No need to re-lube, they should be dry.

After a good wash pivots like those on the front & rear mech get the tiniest drop of a thin lube to stop them getting rusty or seizing.

by Simon_E on Oct 15, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When all your parts are shipped from the mfg . . .

 . . . what is on the threads?

Threadlocking compound.

by Ryan_Liles on Oct 15, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And very nice it is too

but it won’t help after a winter of commuting when a bolt is seized in place. I don’t seem to have a problem as long as the threads have a dab of copaslip.

I’ve never ever used threadlock. If you tighten bolts properly surely you shouldn’t need threadlock?

by Simon_E on Oct 17, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point Ryan.

When i rebuilt by campy shifter this year, it didn’t work all that well at first. I run Nokon cables and housing, and in my haste did not replace the teflon liner. It had kinks and holes in it and shifted like garbage. New liner and problem solved. The cables were still in good condition so I didn’t replace them, but I agree that it’s worthwile to invest in them.

by Mr Van P on Oct 14, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup, that sums up Nokon cables from what I have experienced.

They’ve got a lot of friction, they get all kinked up, and after time they fill up with junk and have holes where the cable has rubbed through the liner.

From what I can understand, they get people to drop a good chunk of money for a poorly executed idea and then the consumer, or bike mech. works very hard at trying to make them actually function.

I’d tell you what i really think of ’em, but this is a family site.
Ha!

by Ryan_Liles on Oct 15, 2009 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have them on 2 bikes

I will say this. If installed correctly and you buy extra liner, they work fine, but require a longer break-in period than other systems. The first time I installed a set it took 2 hours (maybe a 20 min job with regular cables/housing). I can do it in an hour or less now. If your cablestops aren’t wide enough for the liners (and you don’t want to try and drill them out), I wouldn’t recommend them. I’m not sure I recommend them anyway, but I’m into them for $200 so I make them work.

by Mr Van P on Oct 15, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Deal-breaker

A break-in period for cables?

Crazy-talk.

It’s maybe acceptable to re-tighten a cable after some stretch in the first couple of rides, but anything beyond that is unacceptable.

Any product that requires more effort than the standard and doesn’t perform as well . . .is equivalent to high-heels.

by R Mc on Oct 15, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harumph! Harumph!

Hey, I didn’t get a “harumph” outta that guy!

"My facking goat didn’t wear Robes! Does he look Scottisch?!" Baron von Frinkenstein

by itswells on Oct 15, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give the Governor a harumph!

(unless we’re talking about R Mc’s gov, and then I’ve got something else for him . . .)

by Sui Juris on Oct 15, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Technically

it’s housing compressing that causes slop after the first 100 miles or so. Nokon housing is aluminum beads so they don’t compress so much, but they do need a few rides to work into position. The liner needs to settle in to. It’s not really much different than breaking in new road cables/housing.

Installing them though is a royal pain.

by Mr Van P on Oct 15, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, it's your bike but . . .

If you need to purchase extra parts to an already crazy priced product, and then maybe modify the bike in order to spend the next few hours working on getting it installed to achieve a break even, or slightly lower performance effect I would say you’re a crazy fool.

Then, with all that investment in time and effort, you are less likely to replace the product in the needed servicing time frame so your shifter mechs. will suffer from greater loads and thus you will need to rebuild/replace them sooner.

Which costs more money also.

This all seems very strange to me.

by Ryan_Liles on Oct 15, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should have . . . .

 . . . opened a shop in some place like Sausalito where I only install Nokon cables and I offer to rebuild Campy Levers for some crazy price.

I would have made huge money in the last 8 years.

by Ryan_Liles on Oct 16, 2009 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, you're serious about cleaning your gear.

Every couple weeks or before a race I do the pro mechanic thing. Degrease the drivetrain with a brush and spray everything down with the hose. Less frequently I get out a rag with water and clean the bartape.

by brunopitton on Oct 14, 2009 9:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I will gladly buy you

a bunch of mild therapy sessions in my garage ;)

Moo

by Willj on Oct 15, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 Chimay's per bike

or 5 Chimay’s for 3 bikes. Please withhold payment until complete though…

by Mr Van P on Oct 15, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've got six

you can have a crack at. And a place to crash after you’re finished with all those Chimays, I suppose.

by Sui Juris on Oct 15, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bugger

That’s like taking sand to the beach.

by Sui Juris on Oct 15, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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