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Le Tour 2010: All About the Pyrenees

Le-tour-sm_mediumCycling writers everywhere are dissecting the Tour de France parcours, trying to pinpoint the exact moment Alberto Contador seals his victory (prologue? surviving the cobbles? etc.). I can't top the many efforts underway, but I will offer my approval for a unique Tour. Looking at the official stage by stage description, a few thoughts:

* The Stop-Contador movement is underway, with the inclusion of only one uphill Alps stage and two downhill finishes of the four Pyrenean events. I am not sure who they expect to take advantage of the descents (Evans? a Schleck?!?) but they will limit the Accountant's opportunities somewhat. Everyone will expect the defending champion to take off on the first Alpine stage to Avoriaz (a name I can't hear without thinking of LeMond), but even that stage isn't massive by any means.

* The heavy emphasis on the Pyrenees is highly unusual. You'd have to go back to 2001 just to find three tough Pyrenean stages in a single Tour. Until I hear it from someone else, I dunno when the last time was that they did four big events in the Pyrenees.

* Nice homage to the Col du Tourmalet, which is celebrating its 100th anniversary as a Tour de France feature next year. That and the Rotterdam start drove the general shape of the Tour. Oh, and there is no question, stage 17 will be far and away the most decisive of the climbs. Well, unless the riders decide otherwise, but I imagine they're all eyeing that last trip up the Tourmalet.

* A very, very late-developing race is pretty likely. This is a good year to do it though. When the race kicks off in the northeast or Germany or London, the Tour is often compelled to spend an early week wandering aimlessly around France, which makes for some pretty dull days. A Netherlands start, however, means the first week can stop by some of Cycling's most famous roads, which can get very tricky. Point being, if you're going to leave the GC til the bitter end, do it in a year when the first week will be good fun.

* And yes, Contador will be the focus of stages 2 and 3 -- namely, can he stay on his bike? I love stage 2, Brussels to the famous spa resort of, um, Spa. Yep, the original. Anyway, it's via some sections of Liege-Bastogne-Liege. Stage 3 would be on the short list of my favorite Tour stages ever if they actually went through the Forest of Arenberg, but 13km of cobbles will give the Luxembourgers a chance to steal some time from Contador and a few others.

That's all I got. I am sure much more lies in the comments below, which I will greatly enjoy later this morning. Thanks for tuning in y'all.

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Anti-Evans tour?

Seems like le tour is supporting Evan going for the Giro-Vuelta double next year. This course is not built for him.

"It looks like talking, but it’s just words that comes out"
~ Andy Schleck

by Hons on Oct 14, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

No offense

but Evans probably won’t ever win the Tour, barring some mysterious illness taking out all his major rivals. 2008 was his year to win and he blew it. At least he can console himself with the rainbow jersey.

by Fernando on Oct 14, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually this is a good course for Cadel.

No TTT. The 51 km ITT suits his strengths much more so than Contador or Andy.

If he’s in form, the climbs are good for him. His team can actually protect him on Stages 2 and 3. And Cadel can attack on a stage like Mende.

First of all, he has to sit down and have a few beers with Jurgen VandenBroeck and get on the same page.

by Mr 60 Percent on Oct 14, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Umm...when was the last time Evans beat AC in a TT?

I think it was in the Tour of the Basque Country a few years ago. This is no longer 2007, AC is still Evans superior in the mountains (by a wide margin too) and he’s a slightly better TTer. And not too mention that Evans doesn’t figure to have a much stronger team than AC, assuming the latter stays at Astana and Vino supports him.

I agree though about the lack of a TTT, should benefit Evans. But right now I would put him in the same category as Menchov, steady riders that need a LOT to go right to win the race overall.

by Fernando on Oct 14, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL to Ted

Espcially with Van Summeren gone to Garmin, which I forgot about.

Fernando — No argument on the obviously superior AC vs. Evans; just saying the course is good for Evans.

But since you brought it up, Contador still has to prove himself in the 50km+ ITT. Even in Annecy , AC blew everyone away in the first half — then a lot of guys made time on him in the final 15 km. Two 30 km ITTs would be perfect for AC. He would blow out all comers.

by Mr 60 Percent on Oct 14, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

I guess he still is a bit unproven in the longer TT’s. I miss those 60-70 K TT’s that were the norm prior to the last 5 years. I remember in 1987 their was a 55 miles trial, followed by two other TT’s (one up Mont Ventoux) and a prologue and TTT. How cycling has changed since then. :(

by Fernando on Oct 14, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

good summary

I think it’s a very fun route.

you are right, the 1st flat week is on some very interesting roads at least.

For a Pyrennées Tour, I am content with the the two primary Alps stages:

I think the Colombiere, Aravis, Saisies, Madeleine stage has the possibility to be pretty epic. Despite the downhill finish (40 hairpins or so if on the main road), there is some serious climbing in this stage.

And Avoriaz has the potential to be a real furnace.

PS – My BBQ is canceled. The rumoured climb above my garden didn’t materialize. Bah!

Moo

by Willj on Oct 14, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, you can drive a bit further down the road and have a barbecue, no? ;-)

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 15, 2009 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quite. We'll all be there from around 9am if that's ok with you Will.

Make sure there’s lots of Leffe.

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 15, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Make sure there’s lots of Leffe.

No you misunderstand. We have a quick BBQ then stuff our back-packs and Belgian domestiques with Leffe and cycle up Ramaz and Avoriaz or / and Colombiere.

Moo

by Willj on Oct 15, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

couldn't the belgian domestiques

ride up beforehand, prepare the bbq, ice down the leffe, and have everything waiting for us while we ride up?? I’m talking tactics, here

by yeehoo on Oct 15, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

he did bring an entire picnic

up colombiere this year …. huge box on back of city bike (4 large beers too) … even had a very necessary umbrella ….. everyone should have a belgian domestique

Moo

by Willj on Oct 15, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had the very necessary umbrella but left the very necessary rain jacket in Le Chinaillon.

It proved to be the stupidest thing I’ve done all year. Man that was a horrid day…I froze!

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 15, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

you mean it's a

bring-your-own-belgian-domestique bbq? That’s tough. Maybe if the DS could ride up in a car with all the necessities.

by yeehoo on Oct 16, 2009 6:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

You think I can climb with Leffe on my back?!

You’ve obviously never seen me climb ;-)

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 15, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

\O/ may be available

I mean uh... hasn't that ever occurred to you, man? Sir?

by Drew Davis on Oct 15, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can one use marmottes as pack animals?

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 15, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you even make a Stop-Contador route?

I think it looks designed to make it as fair a duel as possible between Andy and Bert. Everyone else is in-consequential.

by Jens on Oct 14, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

A Stop Contador route:

Avoid the Alps, Pyrenees, Massif Central, and Vosges

Moo

by Willj on Oct 14, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not Franzoi? ;-)

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 15, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know what happens when he wins PR

let’s hope they don’t ask him too pee in a cup on stage 2

by Jens on Oct 14, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Contador will have Noval

to crash into contenders on the cobbles.

Iban Mayo in 2004, anyone?

This will keep Alberto in yellow.

by Mr 60 Percent on Oct 14, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

30 laps of CDG Airport every day

would be a good Stop Contador route.

This is middle-of-the-road for Contador. No TTT saves him a lot of headache and he would have preferred two 30 kmish ITTs. And he may go down on the cobbles.

Otherwise it’s a fantastic route for him. Lots of climbing, no high-high altitude, hard-but-not-super hard gradients.

by Mr 60 Percent on Oct 14, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should knock out any TTers out of the tour podium hunts now...

not even 60k worth of TT. Should be a fun watch though. Though I don’t see how Andy and Crash-a-lot Schleck would gain any time on Contador with some cobbles thrown in. If anything, a group, maybe with Armstrong, will slip away and the G.C. guys will be in a little group together about 20-30 seconds down

by Vlaanderen90 on Oct 14, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I like it!

I was thinking just a few weeks ago that I would like a tour that had more “classics” style stages, and here we go. Has anyone got more info on the cobbled stage? Is it going to be enough to make some large gaps, or is the gesture towards PR mostly symbolic?

by Uncle Ted on Oct 14, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

13.2 km

11 of 20 km are cobbled before the final ten km, which are paved.

Those 11 km include long 3* and 4* stretches from Roubaix.

So it could be even more decisive than in 2004 — and those cobbles reduced the field to 80 or so riders.

by Mr 60 Percent on Oct 14, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Jens.

Where did you find the profile for Stage 3?

The LeTour website only has profiles for the mountain stages.

by Mr 60 Percent on Oct 14, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

click on "last km"

I think that’s all they’ve got on the official website for now

Ô col Bayard, Ô Tourmalet, à côté du Galibier, vous êtes de la pale et vulgaire bibine !

by ton_oncle on Oct 14, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

The amount of cobbles is not nearly enough to separate the men from the boys

However, the fight to get to the front of the peloton may produce some crashes & casualties. Dumb luck like flatting or getting caught behind a crash may also cost some contenders some time.

by tedvdw on Oct 14, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Especially in bad weather

Remember P-R in 2001 when the field was permanently reduced to about 20 riders after four sections of cobbles.

Someone important is going to get hammered, probably multiple someones.

by Mr 60 Percent on Oct 14, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

if BMC get an invite

assume big george won’t be coming then ;-)

by thebongolian on Oct 15, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

All I know

Is that I’m gonna see the Arenberg headgear on the horizon… and end up feeling incredibly unfulfilled :-(

by Lou... on Oct 14, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait for the route map

It might be close enough. Like, do they run over mons-en-pevele? Carrefour de l’Arbe?

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 14, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

No :-(

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 15, 2009 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to nominate the following quote

for post of the month:

“I’m gonna see the Arenberg headgear on the horizon… and end up feeling incredibly unfulfilled”. Well done, Lou. Very Commendable…and hilarious.

by Spot of Bother on Oct 14, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

First week should be exciting

As we saw with the Vuelta this year, skinny GC guys have a tendency to get a tad nervous and crashy when crosswinds or cobbles are thrown into the equation. If Contador stays with Astana and the team is weak for the Tour, I can see the Shack and Saxo trying to exploit this weakness by trying to split the peloton at every turn in the road.

I think Columbia will be a weaker team, so if there are small splits, no one may be willing to help Contador and Astana chase back.

Also, I think Wiggins will get a rude awakening to his future as a GC guy with this route. He can still get a top 10, but I think CVV will be Garmin’s main weapon this year and best finisher.

by PopUp Rolen on Oct 14, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree with about CVV.

Interesting, isn’t it? Wiggins’s value must have gone down considerably today… perhaps Vaughters should have cashed him in rather earlier? ;-)

by civetta on Oct 14, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't see that Twiggo's value to Sky depends on one Tour-parcours

This is their first season. Sky is committed for 3 years so there is no huge hurry. As a startup they will be hard pressed to put together a well-functioning unit by July anyway.
For all we know there might be 123km of ITT in the 2011 TdF or in 2012 and that would probably help Sky more than a dream-course for Wiggins in 2010.

by Jens on Oct 15, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh sure, I agree with that

& also because the recognisable Brit name factor is a big deal for Sky. But I still think July to now has probably represented the high point of his potential financial value.

by civetta on Oct 15, 2009 5:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

About that first week...

I wonder if Proudhomme had an eye on the football World Cup in South Africa when creating the route. The World Cup final is on the same day as the first Alpine stage of Le Tour… I guess it makes sense to use up a bunch of flat stages while half the world’s attention is drawn to something else.

And how’s it possible that this will be only the second time that Tourmalet features as a mountain top finish of a Tour stage? I really thought it had to have been used more than once since rarely a year goes by without it in the route.

Ô col Bayard, Ô Tourmalet, à côté du Galibier, vous êtes de la pale et vulgaire bibine !

by ton_oncle on Oct 14, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

No one pays for a Tourmalet-finish

They have finished at La Mongie which is on the Tourmalet though.

by Jens on Oct 14, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

They also usually go over Tourmalet

on the way to somewhere else, such as Luz Ardiden or Hautacam.

by Le Comte on Oct 14, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe they have a bunch of flat stages because it's the Tour and that always seems to be the case

but you may be right, the Giro for instance has the Zoncolan on the first weekend after Italian footy ends so more spectators come.

Dammit Elk! I don't care if it's your mating season, you are disturbing my peaceful sleep! Just STFU!

by Phil H. on Oct 14, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

whereas this year the Roma time trial

was a) on the last day of the football season & b) the weekend before the Festa della Repubblica so that hardly anyone except bemused tourists came

by civetta on Oct 14, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

+1
This past March 30thish I went to the Colosseum and stumbled across the finish of the Rome Marathon. There were many confused tourists who did not quite realize what was going on. It was a strange coincidence, funny though seeing the tourists not know what to make of it, but it must be worse for the Giro because this time the route said “Rome Marathon” everywhere and I hope most tourists can figure out what that it, the Giro and cycling are probably less identifiable though.

by Nomer on Oct 14, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scudetto

was long gone by then, no?

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 14, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, the scudetto was gone

but that’s not the point. However few matches I’ve gone to in the year, I always go to the last match of the season, if only to provide lukewarm applause as the players semi-embarrassedly troop round the pitch with their assorted offspring at full time.

by civetta on Oct 15, 2009 5:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure they looked at the footy

Apparently the prologue will finish earlier than usual because there are 2 quarter finals that same day and ASO wanted to have everyone in before the first whistle.

by tedvdw on Oct 14, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't wait for the WC now that my team's in, bring on 2010!!!!

Dammit Elk! I don't care if it's your mating season, you are disturbing my peaceful sleep! Just STFU!

by Phil H. on Oct 14, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

the world cup & the tour at the same time

it’ll be like eating way too much chocolate or something

by civetta on Oct 14, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I need a one month holiday!

except that’s never gonna happen in July….bah

by rbjhan on Oct 14, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will there be race radios in the Tour next year?

If not, the lead in to the cobbles should be a better than normal watch.

I mean uh... hasn't that ever occurred to you, man? Sir?

by Drew Davis on Oct 14, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

The jury is still out isn't it?

It seems like no but I don’t know how definite that is.

by Jens on Oct 14, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

indeed

this one might get decided and undecided several more times.

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 14, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The mystery finish: Station Les Rousses

Salite.ch has this but the route summary mentions a 14 km climb to the finish?

by Jens on Oct 14, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

During the broadcast

they mentioned climbing Col de la Croix de la Serra which is a little west of Les Rousses.

There are three main ways up Croix de la Serra but they are probably coming from St Germain-de-Joux – as it says approaching Col from the South.

if from St Germain, there are 2 ways both a little less than 20 kms and about 600 metre climb. In other words not much more than 3% average and a few kms at about 6% as the hardest parts. This col is at 1049 metres.

From there to Les Rousses (which is a similar altitude – there are lots of choices, some pretty easy, some harder. Once they post the precise road we’ll know more …. …. but knowing the area, I don’t expect this 14km climb to be very hard at all unless they take the Gorges du Flumen.

BTW – Les Rousses is a nice little ski station in the Juras. It has a HUGE amount of cross-country trails as well

Moo

by Willj on Oct 14, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Assume that the Tourmalet stage WON'T be decisive

because with rare exceptions the stages pre-billed as decisive don’t work out that way.

How much energy was wasted anticipating the massive gaps caused by the Cinque Terre ITT in the giro?

Who correctly guessed that the most important stages of the 09 TdF would happen in the first week?

So . . . the pundit challenge would more logically seem to be to correctly identify the places where the race will REALLY happen.

(And, given the challenges of the first week . . . I think this course is actually pretty good for Evans.)

by R Mc on Oct 14, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Wait

didn’t Menchov grab the lead in Cinque Terre, never to relinquish it?

Your larger point is taken, the obvious stages can get upstaged, particularly if they’re put off til the end.

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 14, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you don't have to go back too far in the TdF

to find the billed decisive stage proving to be just that: Alpe D’Huez in 2008.

by Le Comte on Oct 14, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed

I wrote a whole post the day before on how anticlimactic Alpe d’Huez is every year. It’s like I was just begging Carlos to make a fool of me. Which he did.

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 14, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

odd but,

when i posted this it totally brought the system down – at least it kept telling me it couldn’t post and then the site became inaccessible. Jeez Chris, it was just a joke ;)

by yeehoo on Oct 15, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol...but lots of things seem to be bringing up Error 503

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 15, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Stage 3 would be

on the short list of my favorite Tour stages ever if they actually went through the Forest of Arenberg"

You and me both. I’d move heaven and earth to be there if they were going through the Trouee in the Tour de France.

by Le Comte on Oct 14, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Can you imagine?

I would insist on one of those cameras on a cable running alongside various gruppettos, including one fixed on Contador’s chattering teeth.

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 14, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only gripe I have is that they made the potential queen stage a stage where most likely

all the GC guys finish together, that would be stage 16..did they not learn from this year? Otherwise a very nice route on paper, not as spectacular as the Giro but the Tour never is nor needs to be. But this route seems more suited to Bert than last year, more climbing and no TTT, which is a good thing for Bert next year, unless he ends up on Garmin.

Dammit Elk! I don't care if it's your mating season, you are disturbing my peaceful sleep! Just STFU!

by Phil H. on Oct 14, 2009 6:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe, but I think Saxo and the Shackers may have the advantage on CdE in a TTT

not a big one, if he ends up staying at Astana or going to Quickstep it’s a real good thing.

Dammit Elk! I don't care if it's your mating season, you are disturbing my peaceful sleep! Just STFU!

by Phil H. on Oct 14, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

they did ok this year

without any real motivations to go for it…
add Bert and Bruseghin to it, I reckon it would be close.

by rbjhan on Oct 15, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Finally some cobbles.

I’ve always thought the tour should have some of this every year, and enough to strike some fear into the GC contenders. The overall winner should have the overall skills necessary to earn this reward.

No horn, watch for finger.

by sminer on Oct 14, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

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