Who's gonna test the testers?
In 2003, Manchester United defender Rio Ferdinand failed to appear for an out of competition drugs test and received a global ban of 8 months and a £50,000 fine. In 2001, Lazio player Jaap Stam tested positive for the steroid nandrolone and was banned for 4 months. Last month, basketball player Rashard Lewis of Orlando Magic in the NBA was found to have abnormal levels of testosterone in his blood and he was banned for a laughable 2 weeks. In cycling, any of these misdemeanors leads to a 2 year ban from the sport. In addition to the ban, the rider must then deal with trying to return the sport. When the suspension has been served, the rider is not welcomed back easily to the peloton. He is now a former doper, a disgrace. It is not easy to find a new team, and if the rider does succeed in finding a team, he faces into a career of trying to convince the fans and the media that he can be considered a credible rider again. So are the UCI and cycling as a sport in general doing enough to rid the sport of the cancer that is doping?
The answer is yes and no. Yes, they are actively doing more than any other sport to eradicate the cheats. No, cycling is an embarrassing melee of organisations who have been doing more harm than good in the last few years.

Just some of the many, many authorities who attempt to control doping within cycling.
The only other major sport that matches the 2 year ban that the UCI imposes on dopers is Athletics. The disincentive for cyclists to dope is even more severe the second time around with a lifetime ban for a second offence. The head of the UCI Pat McQuaid even tried to get riders to agree to paying a fine of a year’s salary along with the 2 year ban, if caught (to put that into perspective, Ferdinand’s fine wasn’t even a week’s wages). The punishment for the equivalent crimes in other sports is insufficient and in some cases pathetic. Of course it’s true that cycling has seen a vast amount of convicted dopers since 1998 and the Festina team when the first major ‘doping affair’ was exposed. But currently, are other sports doing enough as cycling to expose the cheats? It wasn’t only the names of cyclists that were documented in Operacion Puerto.
It seems to me that the anti-doping authorities are under pressure from the UCI to catch the dopers, as they should be, but are they under too much pressure? If a Tour de France goes by without any positive dope tests, should we automatically be suspicious that the anti-doping procedures are flawed or the agencies aren’t doing their job properly? There’s always doping in the Tour de France isn’t there?! There are four outcomes when a rider is subjected to a dope test, which are outlined in the following table:
There have obviously been plenty of good positives in the last few years, which is good, but leaving aside the riders that do dope, in my opinion there have also been plenty of false positives which is a problem with the testing procedures, not with the riders. How can there be so many riders ‘caught doping’ that so adamantly proclaim their innocence. Floyd Landis, Stefan Schumacher, Davide Rebellin, Mikel Astarloza, Gabriele Bosisio, Ivan Basso, to name but a few. I’m not saying all convicted dopers are probably innocent, not at all, what I’m saying is that some of them could be. Having recently watched the classic film 12 Angry Men, I’ve come to appreciate more the idea of ‘beyond reasonable doubt’. Can anti-doping authorities honestly claim that all the riders they have been responsible for banning from the sport are absolutely certainly guilty? I’m not so sure. I’m under the impression that the UCI need to be seen to be ‘doing something about doping’ and innocent parties have borne the brunt.
Alejandro Valverde won the 2009 Vuelta a Espana despite currently serving a doping ban in Italy.
The doping authorities announce vague details of riders who may have doped, they also announce when a rider’s ‘A’ sample has tested positive, before the rider has a chance to request a ‘B’ sample test. Doping is a problem in cycling and as such the appropriate authorities need to be equipped to deal with it. But they are not equipped to deal with it. I’ve looked at the UCI’s anti-doping document, it is full of blurry details. For instance, Article 213 states that ‘The analysis of the ‘B’ sample shall take place within 7 working days following notification by the laboratory of the ‘A’ sample finding to the UCI’, but later in the same article it states ‘If the ‘B’ analysis is not performed within this time frame this shall not be considered as a deviation from procedure’. So, a procedure is outlined but then a disclaimer is inserted stating that not following procedure does not constitute not following procedure. The document is full of similar disclaimers. Another article outlines that ‘the analysis of the ‘B’ sample shall be conducted by the laboratory that conducted the analysis of the ‘A’ sample’. Surely, the idea of a ‘B’ sample is to completely re-test the sample and not subject it to the exact same potentially erroneous testing procedure. Surely a second lab should be required to confirm the condemnation and public humiliation of a man.
What we have are anti-doping authorities with varying standards and inconsistent procedures, something which has led to the farcical situation of allowing a convicted doper, currently serving a doping ban, to race in and win the recent Vuelta a Espana. The UCI need to improve communications between all the various anti-doping authorities and sort out all the bureaucratic bullshit which has the potential to harm the sport even more so than the dopers themselves.
The doping non-stories need to stop. In the past week alone there has been information released by the AFLD about 40 riders who may have doped but it turns out they didn’t and Astana receiving preferential treatment when it came to doping controls at the Tour but it turns out they didn’t. This is not news and serves no purpose only to steal precious column inches from what matters, the racing. The stories should be written when a rider has undeniably tested positive for a banned substance. But until then, let’s not engage in pointless speculation, because I for one, am sick of mainstream media only turning their attention to cycling when there’s a potential doping story and not when there’s racing to be reported.
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Well said !
Put your self in their place. How would you feel if you lost the ability to feed your family because someone “thought” you might have done something. Or your entire company folded because for a similar reason.
The madness over doping has caused entire teams to end and makes cycling out to be a negative tainted sport when it is instead full of the toughest most courageous athletes around.
The UCI should put in the toughest testing and strictest rules and if someone is found to be cheating they should be immediately and strictly punished. Every other instance of implied accusation should be repudiated by WADA, the UCI, and the AFLD with no comment whatsoever about the particular athlete so that the media story dies.
That way they punish the cheats and still defend the honor of cycling and the human rights of men and women who are just trying to support their families.
I waited a half an hour to give my two toddlers breakfast until I had my Eneco tour coverage sorted, then made sure I got them fed before the sprint. --- Bought With Blood. ..... Hmmm, my kinda people. If only they could explain to my wife why my bike belongs in the house and not the garage. --- Thevaro
Doping has caused entire teams to end
not “The madness over doping” if you ask me.
Also, consider this. Politicians are all wonderful people working tirelessly to make our countries better. Why all this questioning in the press about their integrity? If one of them is sentenced in court for improprieties only then should the media report on it. That way they punish the cheats and still defend the honor of political work and the human rights of men and women who are just trying to make the world a better place.
It doesn’t work that way does it? Sometimes there has to be ruthless scrutiny and uncomfortable questions asked to force things to the surface. It isn’t always pretty and people step over the line but can you honestly say it isn’t necessary? Especially given the history of the cycling authorities.
You cannot have ruthless scrutiny when . . .
. . . labs repeatedly choose not to follow their own procedures and their procedures are not standardized throughout the labs certified to perform the testing.
We’ve gone round and round on this, but the fact that if the labs performing the tests and the tests themselves are not repeatable with clear outcomes then it all just becomes conjecture and bull shit.
Which is where we are at right now.
As someone with a scientific perspective
how do you view the comments by Ashenden in NYVelocity? As a layperson I felt he debunked a lot of criticism of the type you express (and which is indeed damaging if justified). Am I naive in that respect?
(I’m not touchy on the subject so feel free to tell me I’m wrong)
Oh yeah, I remember this article now.
Before I go into that I would like to say two things.
First – About 6, or so, months ago I swore I would never talk about this shit on here because it goes absolutely no where for numerous reasons.
Second – I am a major fan of Don Catlin and his vision for Anti-Doping.
I feel he has the correct methodology & metrology for containing and then controlling doping.
Ok, so to answer your question – NO.
Look I don’t give a shit about what some cancer survivor did before he lost a testicle; and what happened in ’99 means nothing to me right now.
Moreover, your point is not valid as you are citing a single individual who assisted in the development of a test for EPO who is only able to comment on the information he has with his personal methodology.
That is not the same as providing me any real proof what so ever that this same test is actually carried out in every accredited lab to perform the test in the same manner with a statistical and quantifiable result.
Statistical & Quantifiable – Let’s clarify that a bit.
To my knowledge, all EPO testing results are interpreted by a human. They are not quantifiable, and thus prone to error.
This is why there are false positives and guys like Stefan Schumacher can sue because the testing result did not produce a specific number.
Oh, and the lab did not even perform their own protocols properly.
Which seems very unscientific for the lab to not perform their own protocols and then provide the highly interpretive data as a valid result.
What do I feel is required in a test that can potentially destroy a persons life?
At least the same proven testing stability that goes into ever oil filter you will ever use in your car.
Quite simply, for every 1 million tests performed, there should only be an allowable error of 1.33 which is supported by clear data that is not interpretive and a methodology which is stable and repeatable.
Lastly, thank you irishpeloton for having the courage to post this one.
I unfortunetaely got into the Ashden discussion recently
and I read the article. Ashenden is obviously a scientist and he makes a very interesting case. It was a long interview and its a little goofy where he mentions anecdotal information about Lance being short or thin. Most of the discussion is not new but he makes one very good point. He states that their was a pattern to the % of EPO isoforms decreasing and then increasing around the rest day. Its a good one but its not as convincing as he makes it out to be. What he doesn’t account for is the tester, recording it in that pattern based on his expectation or deliberately recording it that way. Dr Ashenden repudiates that theory by saying he asked the testers and they ‘told’ him they did everything properly. What else did he expect them to say ? “I lied”, “I messed up”; of course they told him they did everything correctly. The theory ( and I know its a stretch) is that the lab is complicit. It’s a stretch but somebody vandalized Greg Lemond’s bike before the TDF and an American dominating the French monument was a highly unpopular situation in France.
( Not to mention the tests show the values high on stage 12 but undetectable on stage 13, and then detectable on stage 14 )
If you read the UCI commissioned Vrijman report, it carefully lists the interviews,the dates, the doctors names at the LNDD lab that performed the tests and the exact questions and the exact answers … and the “testers” clearly answered that they did not follow their test procedures, did not use control samples, did not performed the required stability test, lost 42 samples, did not keep the chain of custody and did not keep the required lab documentation packet normally required by their testing process. So the conclusive tone of Mr. Ashenden is a bit over stated.
I’m not saying I know he is wrong. I don’t know, no one does. I am saying that he is making an argument for scientific conclusive proof and that is definitively wrong.
I waited a half an hour to give my two toddlers breakfast until I had my Eneco tour coverage sorted, then made sure I got them fed before the sprint. --- Bought With Blood. ..... Hmmm, my kinda people. If only they could explain to my wife why my bike belongs in the house and not the garage. --- Thevaro
If . . . .
" . . . the tests show the values high on stage 12 but undetectable on stage 13, and then detectable on stage 14 . . ." If that is the case then the the test is not stable.
That is my real issue with all this.
I am not saying under perfect conditions this test is not possible, I am saying it is not statistically not repeatable and thus cannot be used to destroy a persons life.
Don Catlin has a different direction in this, and I really think that is the better direction to go.
Thanks for posting despite your aversion
I’m not looking to debate it it . Just looking for more background info than media will give
If you really have a scientific perspective . . . .
. . . statistical and quantifiable is the key to all this.
If the test actually comply to both of those requirements, then there is no false positives and no real room for someone to say they are a victim of some sort of conspiracy.
Actually, I think it does work that way
in politics its very common to make a last minute slanderous attack on your opponent before an election. Then the media picks it up and the discussion of the possibility ruins the reputation of their opponent ( happened in my home town, twice )
For example, their was some stupid speculation that based upon AC’s rate of climbing at the TDF that his V02 max would have been 99 and that would have been the highest ever recorded, making a very strong inference that he was doping. Now at this point the cycling community has realized that they were in the process of destroying themselves and Contador dealt with the accusation effectively but if this had occurred in the climate of the 2007 TDF (Rasmussen), I believe AC could have had his career ruined, not to mention Andy Shleck, Frank Shleck and Lance Armstrong were just behind AC on that climb so by the "madness" process they are all dopers and off with their heads.
You are right that the dopers have caused the problem but I think that is a different conversation. In any venue whether its cycling or "normal work" we can’t let innuendo, accusation and media hype damage people and sports and politics outside of the rule of law. We need to follow strict rules and not allow the media to hyper inflate situations to sell advertising and damage the lives and reputations of decent people and the reputation and honor of a exceptional sport.
What if it was your job and your work place and and there were magazines and web-sites that made money off accusing you of dealing drugs. Would you like/tolerate that world ?
I waited a half an hour to give my two toddlers breakfast until I had my Eneco tour coverage sorted, then made sure I got them fed before the sprint. --- Bought With Blood. ..... Hmmm, my kinda people. If only they could explain to my wife why my bike belongs in the house and not the garage. --- Thevaro
How do you stop speculation based on the speed someone climbs a hill
It’s one thing to keep lab results quiet until you’ve finished all investigations, but you can’t stop people from watching cycling until they take their watches off.
You can't stop average people from speculating but the leadership of the
UCI, WADA, AFLD, the owners of the Grand Tours should not be crusading against cyclists in the media, fighting with one another or making veiled implications about particular riders. They should follow their own rules strictly without without appearing to be the night shift at Le Equipe magazine.
Their responses should be brief, exactly the same in every case and pre-scripted, so that they do not use the media to further their own agenda or their own star power.
I waited a half an hour to give my two toddlers breakfast until I had my Eneco tour coverage sorted, then made sure I got them fed before the sprint. --- Bought With Blood. ..... Hmmm, my kinda people. If only they could explain to my wife why my bike belongs in the house and not the garage. --- Thevaro
Contador dealt with the accusation effectively
Say what?!? Contador dodged the bullet when he was faced with doping questions, I thought. He seemed to handle the questions in pretty much teh same way Landis did in ’06.
Effectively dealing with the accusations would have required Contador at least acknowledging he’s consorted with dodgy characters in the past. At least Carlos Sastre had the decency to do that for us.
What if it was your job and your work place and and there were magazines and web-sites that made money off accusing you of dealing drugs. Would you like/tolerate that world ?
No, but rather than repealing freedom of the press I might instead go out of my way to prove that the accusations and lies had no truth whatsoever in them. Funnily though, if you look around you, you’ll not see a lot of the big names who have question marks over their heads taking that route.
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Otra Pregunta -
AC was brief and repetitive. Landis and his team were coming up with possible scenarios for a false positive. Then that defense became the next huge media discussion followed by Landis’s defense of his prior comments. A perfect example. …. but that is a small side comment in the discussion.
Freedom of the press and of the speech of average citizens is the most important part of all modern civilization. I am saying that the leadership of the governing bodies, the owners of the races and management of teams are doing an unfair and inflammatory disservice to the riders are our sport.
Just like a real judge in a real court briefly says, ’ we do not comment on cases’, these people should do the same. Then they don’t inflame the media cycle, or be part of the negative press that causes entire teams to fold and many people to lose their jobs.
I waited a half an hour to give my two toddlers breakfast until I had my Eneco tour coverage sorted, then made sure I got them fed before the sprint. --- Bought With Blood. ..... Hmmm, my kinda people. If only they could explain to my wife why my bike belongs in the house and not the garage. --- Thevaro
Landis and his team were coming up with possible scenarios for a false positive.
During the Tour, when faced qwith questions of doping, Ladis was evaisve to the point of embarassment. It’s to that I refer.
Just like a real judge in a real court briefly says, ’ we do not comment on cases’, these people should do the same.
By and large, they do. The 30, 40, 50, 60 riders under suspicion doesn’t come out of the AFLD, it comes from journalists and fanboys. The AFLD simply say they are testing a number of samples. The vacuum of information is then filled with rumour and speculation. It actually inflames the media cycle. So you can see you automaticaly have a problem with a simple ‘no comment.’ The media, the public, aren;t happy with it, they want more. And if they can’t have facts they’ll happily buy rumouras.
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We just have two very different perspectives.
I’m saying the riders, owners, UCI, WADA, and AFLD SHOULD be evasive to prevent the media from making the entire sport out to be a corrupt drug-ridden embarrassment. Then the sponser don’t pull out, the teams don’t fold. ( In addition to the civil and human rights of the riders )
I know I’m in the minority here. I’m not saying don’t have strict rules and very very painful penalties. I’m saying that its a media circus where the everyone is tainted by the bad and the governing bodies bicker and name call like children.
WADA vs UCI, UCI vs AFLD ASO vs UCI, Pounds vs Betini, Pounds vs Valverde, UCI vs Astana ( Levi & AC out of tour ) etc etc etc
I waited a half an hour to give my two toddlers breakfast until I had my Eneco tour coverage sorted, then made sure I got them fed before the sprint. --- Bought With Blood. ..... Hmmm, my kinda people. If only they could explain to my wife why my bike belongs in the house and not the garage. --- Thevaro
Sweeping the problem under the carpet won't make it go away.
I would argue that throughout the sport’s long and serried history and throughout all the doping scandals we’ve had, it’s been the media highlighting them that has forced the hands of the authorities. And today, we need the media to find out what’s really going on in this sport more than we ever did. The ostrich approach just don’t work. Simply banning the media from reporting problems will not make the problems go away.
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Libel? Divil the bit mate. If it was the courts would be overflowing.
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‘Cause if the media says it’s true, then it must be huh?
I happen to believe –
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." – Joseph Goebbels
Where have I said that Ryan? Loosen the heck up, will ya.
As for your belief in Goebbels – that’s pretty clear in the way you keep saying the same damn thing.
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I can’t.
I actually know people who have been affected by this in ways that were quite damaging.
In the end, that is the key thing, these are real people, and it is importan we never forget that.
So you’re saying you’re prejudiced and happily bring your prejudices to the table.
Don’t judge everyone by your own standards.
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I’m not judging any person, but rather a system which has caused, and seems to be fed, by a behavior which is at the very least is lacking in a certain level of integrity which I guess I would hope for.
I do not think it is reasonable to accuse me of prejudice for the simple fact that I have repeatedly pointed out that your position is in fact not supported by any significant data that all the labs are performing tests that creates repeatable and quantifiable results using a process which is stable and traceable to show this.
In fact, there have now been numerous cases in which labs simply do not even follow their own processes for these tests; and to my knowledge there is no reported data as to the actual stability of these tests, such as the one for EPO via urine analysis.
Please, by all means, enlighten me as I would honestly love to see this data.
False positives?
I can only think of one, Gilberto Simoni, who after his positive sample spent his time in trying to work out how the cocaine metabolytes could have got into his body. None of this “They used Tippex”, “A letter called me Michael”, “THe court doesn’t have jurisdiction”, “I was only planning to dope” shit, just a sincere attempt to work out what happened.
And as for varying standards, well that’s what happens when you try to run international sporting events in different countries but under standard rules. Sometimes there’s a clash with local law (it can happen on a lower level too – wasn’t there a recent case where a court in one state in the US ruled that football players couldn’t be suspended just for failing drug tests). WADA seem to be pretty good at sticking to their ground, but look at all the stick Dick Pound used to get when he made it clear that he wasn’t giving way.
Off the top of my head I can’t think of any cycling-related flase positives. There is, of course, always the case of Rutger Beke which is usually rolled by those who want to argue that the tests don’t work.
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I believe the Worl Anit-Doping code is the important bit here
The reason why Stam and Ferdinand received short bans is because FIFA hadn’t signed the code (I’m not sure that it even existed back then). Nor had UCI at the time, and cyclists got shorter bans than they get today (not everyone, Niklas Axelsson got a 4-year ban at first). When UCI signed the code, the bans got longer. So it’s not only athletics that hands out 2-year and lifetime bans, it’s every sport where the federations have signed the anti-doping code.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Oct 16, 2009 5:32 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The WADA anti-doping code confuses me somewhat....
After doing a bit more research it seems that FIFA signed the code in 2004 (you’re right, after the Stam and Ferdinand bans). But there still seems to be wild inconsistencies. In 2005, Danny Cadamarteri tested positive for Ephedrine and was banned for 6 months. Irish goalie Paddy Kenny tested positive for the same earlier this year and got 9 months. A belgian footballer called Michael Wiggers tested positive for anabolic steroids in 2007 and only got 6 months. Tunisian swimmer Oussama Mellouli tested positive for an amphetamine in 2007 and got 18 months (FINA have also subscribed to the WADA code). In 2008, American boxer Sadam Ali tested positive for cathine and got 4 months (again, the boxing authorities AIBA had signed up to the WADA code). It’s all wrong, it’s all cheating, and it should be all subject to the same consequences in the same document that all the sporting governing bodies have subscribed to. So why all the inconsistencies?
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by irishpeloton on Oct 16, 2009 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions
WADA’s rules recommend a min and max sanction. They allow for the min sanction to be reduced, where suitable mitigating evidence can be offered.
The simple fact is, not all cheating is cheating. There’s a world of difference between a dumb ass twat who takes a cold medicine without checking the label againt the list and between the likes of, say, Kohl and Schumacher. The former deserves to be hit over the head with a rolled up newspaper, the latter should have the book thrown at them.
If you believe in justice you believe that the time fits the crime. If you believe that all evil-doers should be publicly hung, drawn and quartered then all you’re looking for is vengeance, and that ain’t gonna get us neowhere (though it’d feel good in the short term, I’ll agree).
There are, of course, inconsistences between the way the different federations – national and international – interpret the rules, and WADA does have the power to appeal sentencing to the CAS, which it does sometimes do.
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ditto
WADA had no jurisdiction over the cases cited in the opening of this piece. WADA didn’t really get any powers until the Athens Olympics (2004). Of course, it is worth remembering that the UCI and FIFA dragged and dragged and dragged their heels as long as they could and were eleventh hour signatories to the code.
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Some interesting points here and discussion...
1) The importance of labs and anti-doping authorities doing their jobs by the book – banning someone is a big deal so morally it’s imperative it’s done right but it also reduces the opportunity for genuine dopers to get away with it on procedural grounds
2) A and B samples. I think it would be grossly unfair on other riders to let someone who is under suspicion following a positive A sample to keep racing and possibly winning. But with riders racing every few days it’s usually obvious if someone suddenly drops off the radar without obvious reason – given where we are in cycling there already seems to be suspicion if a rider gets suddenly ill…
3) False positives. As I understand it there is a very high threshold on dope tests for this very reason – otherwise the bans would get shot down in the civil courts very rapidly. I suspect there are far more false negatives or, more accurately, non-sanctionable positives: plenty of anti-doping types are on record as saying they’ve seen patterns in tests that indicate shenanigans but can do nothing about it because it doesn’t clear the hurdles for prosecution
4) Cycling vs. other sports. I genuinely believe cycling is doing a lot more about doping than other sports, but it doesn’t follow that other sports should copy the penalties in cycling. Also mixed up with this is the likelihood of being caught – a life ban would do nothing if sportsman didn’t think they’d get caught. That said the penalties in other sports do seem kinda week but the sports are probably at less risk of disappearing in a doping quagmire – or at least that’s the perception of the people who run them
It seems to me that the anti-doping authorities are under pressure from the UCI to catch the dopers, as they should be, but are they under too much pressure?
In an ideal world, that might be a nice starting point. But the fact is, the cycling world is far from ideal.
The UCI stand accused by a French judge in the Festica trials of having been complicit in cycling’s culture of doping. It is for them to prove that they have changed their ways.
For a brief moment, in 2007, when Gripper came out against the Men In Black it seemed almost possible to believe the leopard had changed its spots.
But the fact is, given the evidence of the last year, it’s very hard not to be sceptical about the zeal with which Fat Pat claims to be waging his perpectual war for perpetual peace.
Given that, I would say that it’s far from clear that the anti-doping authorities are under any pressure from the UCI to catch the real cheats.
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Since you spoke of footballers (soccer!)
the most draconian case I have heard of is Adrian Mutu. Playing for Chelsea he tested positive for Cocaine.
Chelsea sacked him and FIFA – the world governing body – ordered Mutu to pay Chelsea $12 Million as compensation for his wasted transfer fee. the amount was then INCREASED on appeal. This may ruin him.
Case is currently before CAS.
Interesting precedent perhaps.
Moo
yes, the Mutu case boggles my mind
if I remember correctly, Chelsea terminated his contract, so what on earth they are suing him now for loss on possible transfer fees?
I mean, he moved back to Serie A and got himself back together, that has nothing to do with bloody Chelsea.
and even for a footballer, 12M is a lot of money.
fyi
There are some clinicians of some sort going around the USA with a powerpoint pres. alleging to demonstrate that the tests that busted Landis were irredeemably flawed.
Haven’t seen it, but it’s still out there.
And . . . there are still people who claim to “believe Tyler.”
Belief is over-rated, in my book.
Doping sucks. Period.
Cyclings public relations mishandling of positive 1st test results, and suspected dopers – via media leaks and stories sucks also, just as much. Period.
Just some of the many, many authorities who attempt to control doping within cycling.
The alphabet soup of authorities is actually quite simple. In WADA accredited sports two types of authority have the responsibility to perform dope tests: governing bodies and anti-doping authorities. Each of those exist at the national and international level. (eg WADA & say, USADA and the UCI & say, Irish Cycling). An athlete is always subject to the international authorities and is always subject to their relevant national authorties. Finally, you are also subject to the authorities of the county in which you are currently in. So that makes six.
CAS has no remit in the control of doping. It is there simply to see that the laws are applied fairly and squarely.
As for the UCI’s rules not reading very clear – it’s a legal document, not a novel. Think of it as being like the Lisbon Treaty – a waste of your time reading it but you know it’s good for you, really. :)
The only other major sport that matches the 2 year ban that the UCI imposes on dopers is Athletics.
All WADA accredited – ie Olympic – sports match the 2 year rule. That – and the uniform banned list – is one the key improvements in sport in general since WADA came into existence.
In cycling, any of these misdemeanors leads to a 2 year ban from the sport.
Can lead to, doesn’t always lead to. Reductions are allowed under the rules of WADA.
In addition to the ban, the rider must then deal with trying to return the sport. When the suspension has been served, the rider is not welcomed back easily to the peloton.
Millar? Basso? It really does depend on the rider. And how much they keep their mouth shut.
The head of the UCI Pat McQuaid even tried to get riders to agree to paying a fine of a year’s salary along with the 2 year ban, if caught
AFAIK, so far not one single eligible rider has coughed up the cash. Fat Pat’s fab piece of paper would have been described as being worthless even by Neville Chamberlain.
How can there be so many riders ‘caught doping’ that so adamantly proclaim their innocence. Floyd Landis, Stefan Schumacher, Davide Rebellin, Mikel Astarloza, Gabriele Bosisio, Ivan Basso, to name but a few.
Because the sport is full of lying cheating bastards and this sort of crap has so often worked for them in the past – even if only among their most narrow-minded and parochial supporters – that they’re willing to trot it out again in a vain attempt to salvage something of their now tainted reputation.
they also announce when a rider’s ‘A’ sample has tested positive, before the rider has a chance to request a ‘B’ sample test.
Current rules mean your suspension begins with your A test. That’s why you now officially get to hear about the A result.
’If the ‘B’ analysis is not performed within this time frame this shall not be considered as a deviation from procedure’.
Read the rules and you’ll find how it’s possible, for both sides, to extend the 7-day limit.
Surely, the idea of a ‘B’ sample is to completely re-test the sample and not subject it to the exact same potentially erroneous testing procedure. Surely a second lab should be required to confirm the condemnation and public humiliation of a man.
That one certainly worked for Cian O’Connor, didn’t it? (For those not familiar – Irish show-jumper, gold at Athens, doped horse, positive A sample, B sample was nicked in transit to second lab – apparently such things do happen even outide of a Dick Francis novel.)
What we have are anti-doping authorities with varying standards and inconsistent procedures,
The standards are variable, yes, but they are all adhering to a set minimum standard. So rather than being negative and saying some labs have worse standards than others, the truth is some labs work to a higher standard than others.
You also have to realise that not all labs are the same – some can only carry out certain tests – it’s a very expensive business buying mass spec machines and the like.
This not news and serves no purpose only to steal precious column inches from what matters, the racing.
Looking at British and Irish papers all it seems to be stealing column inches from is speculation over who’s gonna ride for Team GB Reach For The Sky+ Box and Team Big Hug. Speculation, it would seem, about anything, seems to be more fun than the actual racing.
pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway
You don't even need to have the sample "stolen"
I’m sure I’ve read of an athlete who asked to be present at the B test, wanted to have a closer look at the actual sample – checking signatures, seals etc., then dropped it and crushed ut under his boot. Ingeniously uningenious.
Vino - 1 year ban
The suspension lengths are normally being set by the national federations for each rider.
… and they have very different perspectives. Did the rider cooperate ? Is he our national hero ?
etc. etc.
Abnormally, CONI suspendends Valverde just in Italy. Its a circus !
I waited a half an hour to give my two toddlers breakfast until I had my Eneco tour coverage sorted, then made sure I got them fed before the sprint. --- Bought With Blood. ..... Hmmm, my kinda people. If only they could explain to my wife why my bike belongs in the house and not the garage. --- Thevaro
Circus? All suspensions are national at first
Normally the UCI signs off on all of them making them worldwide. It’s the prolonged appeal-handling that has prevented them from doing it in the AV case. As for Vino the UCI didn’t appeal the kasach decision as they could have (and first intended) because they were fooled by his retirement fakeout. That was naive.
Hi Jens, maybe I didn't write it well
but I think we are both making the same point. National first, appeal to the regional or world body with possibly different results.
I think it looks like a circus but I guess the beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I waited a half an hour to give my two toddlers breakfast until I had my Eneco tour coverage sorted, then made sure I got them fed before the sprint. --- Bought With Blood. ..... Hmmm, my kinda people. If only they could explain to my wife why my bike belongs in the house and not the garage. --- Thevaro
What is the statistical stability of the minimum requirements for these tests?
I have never been able to find this.
I have only been able to find minimum procedures that labs choose not to follow and yet submit the test result as if it still should be considered valid.

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