VDS 2009 Dream Team, Redux
by Jimbo... on Oct 21, 2009 4:42 PM EDT
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So after f'ing this up in the VDS thread (I blame Will because... well... just because) I decided to redo it using Chris' actual final spreadsheet this time, rather than the actual non-official spreadsheet that I pulled out of my ass. So, following the rules as I remember them (must you can have one 25 point rider at most, no more than two 20 point riders, 25 riders total with a total cost of no more than 150 points), here is my best effort at the 2009 VDS dream team....
Name (Cost, Points Earned, Value)
- Alejandro Valverde (25, 2408, 96.32)
- Philippe Gilbert (16, 1990, 124.38)
- Thor Hushovd (16, 1560, 97.50)
- Denis Menchov (16, 1610, 100.63)
- Samuel Sanchez Gonzalez (14, 1730, 123.57)
- Roman Kreuziger (12, 1090, 90.83)
- Matti Breschel (8, 870, 108.75)
- Edvald Boasson Hagen (6, 1181, 196.83)
- Luis Leon Sanchez Gil (6, 688, 114.67)
- Tyler Farrar (4, 1090, 272.50)
- Tony Martin (4, 910, 227.50)
- Stefano Garzelli (4, 900, 225.00)
- Alessandro Petacchi (4, 804, 201.00)
- Heinrich Haussler (2, 1065, 532.50)
- Andre Greipel (2, 1055, 527.50)
- Simon Gerrans (2, 900, 450.00)
- Johnny Hoogerland (1, 570, 570.00)
- Rein Taaramae (1, 540, 540.00)
- Jacob Fuglsang (1, 490, 490.00)
- Michele Scarponi (1, 456, 456.00)
- Frantisek Rabon (1, 370, 370.00)
- Kevin Seeldrayers (1, 350, 350.00)
- Philipe Deignan (1, 330, 330.00)
- Ignas Konovalovas (1, 305, 305.00)
- Francesco Gavazzi (1, 290, 290.00)
Total Cost = 150
Total Points = 23,552
The "value" is just the points earned per point of cost. I'm sure one of you smartypants out there can do this the right way, using modern tools such as math, but that is too much work for me. My brain hurts already.
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You should stick this back in your ass.
Now my head hurts too.
I mean uh... hasn't that ever occurred to you, man? Sir?
by Drew... on Oct 21, 2009 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, man, you got it all wrong
This version didn’t come out of my ass. That was the last version, man.
by Jimbo... on Oct 21, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And can I please get some props for contributing actual content?
I’m trying to be the shepherd, Ringo. I’m trying real hard
by Jimbo... on Oct 21, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You fuckin’ asshole! Everything’s a fuckin’ travesty with you, man! And what was all that shit about Vietnam?
Moo
by Willj on Oct 21, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is interesting
(assuming this is indeed a near-perfect team) that the actual winning team followed the extreme top-heavy formula while the theoretical ideal team consists of a wider span of mid-price riders.
by Jens on Oct 21, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just goes to show
how hard the high value, low cost riders are to pick. They show up out of nowhere and win a stage or two, or win a smaller tour, and … I was playing around a bit, and if you select Valverde as your mandatory 25’er, then choose the 24 top value riders (none of whom cost more than 4 points), you would have won the VDS with a total of 14,244 points having only spent 59 of your 150 budget.
by Jimbo... on Oct 21, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's amazing
how different this team is from mine.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Oct 21, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's almost azackly like mine, I had four of them.
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by flying dog on Oct 21, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, can't be no dream team without Tony.
"As you can imagine, there are better places to have your birthday party than in some village called Mushny Mush Mishme." --The Wisdom of Jens
by Josenka on Oct 21, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if I remember correctly
you don’t have to have a 25 point rider….
by rbjhan on Oct 21, 2009 9:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You are correct
I just checked the rules and you could only have one 25 point rider at most, but having one was not mandatory.
by Jimbo... on Oct 21, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, check out the big brain on Jimbo...
You a smart mutha……
"My facking goat didn’t wear Robes! Does he look Scottisch?!" Baron von Frinkenstein
by itswells on Oct 22, 2009 5:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll bet Johnny Hoogerland
and Jakob Fuglsang end up on at least 95% of next year’s VDS teams.
by bethie on Oct 22, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not if Hoogerland is 6 points and Fuglsang is 12 points.
I think Chris and Ursula sometimes assign points with an I’m not picking him but I don’t want to get beat by him because I kept the cost low attitude.
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by flying dog on Oct 22, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You saw that right away, huh?
I mean uh... hasn't that ever occurred to you, man? Sir?
by Drew... on Oct 22, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh huh
When Greg Henderson first got a pro contract I wanted to sign him up for my VDS, but he wasn’t on the list. So I asked Chris what his value was and what I got was 4 pts.. To that point he had only won the Crocodile (something or other) Race in Australia and not much else. He had the potential but nothing concrete to base a Pro Tour season on, I didn’t figure he was worth four out of the box and he wasn’t. The best reason to research these things is to see who they overlook and then pounce. :-} Disclaimer:I haven’t done that so I’m sure that works either.
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by flying dog on Oct 22, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jimbo
is your next post on the worst possible team? No analysis required, just merge ours teams and publish ….
Moo
by Willj on Oct 22, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The worst team possible
You and I are geniuses compared to what could have been. Behold…
Name (Cost, Total, Value)
- Stuart O’Grady (6, 0, 0.00)
- Bauke Mollema (4, 0, 0.00)
- Cyril Dessel (4, 0, 0.00)
- David Lopez Garcia (4, 0, 0.00)
- Fortunato Baliani (4, 0, 0.00)
- Gert Steegmans (4, 0, 0.00)
- Magnus Backstedt (4, 0, 0.00)
- Vlad Gusev (4, 0, 0.00)
- Alberto Loddo (2, 0, 0.00)
- Alexandre Efimkin (2, 0, 0.00)
- Alexandre Usov (2, 0, 0.00)
- Andrea Noe (2, 0, 0.00)
- Aurélien Clerc (2, 0, 0.00)
- Brett Lancaster (2, 0, 0.00)
- Charlie Wegelius (2, 0, 0.00)
- Christophe Moreau (2, 0, 0.00)
- Danilo Hondo (2, 0, 0.00)
- David Kopp (2, 0, 0.00)
- Dmitriy Muravyev (2, 0, 0.00)
- Eros Capecchi (2, 0, 0.00)
- Francisco Mancebo Perez (2, 0, 0.00)
- Giampaolo Caruso (2, 0, 0.00)
- Gianni Meersman (2, 0, 0.00)
- Imanol Erviti (2, 0, 0.00)
- Inigo Landaluze (2, 0, 0.00)
Total Cost = 70 Points
Points Earned = 0
by Jimbo... on Oct 22, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who'd a thunk...
O’Grady, Steegmans, Efimkin & Moreau would get zilch this year?
"My facking goat didn’t wear Robes! Does he look Scottisch?!" Baron von Frinkenstein
by itswells on Oct 22, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a little scary
how many on that list i am a fan of
Moreau’s only highlight in 2009 was whipping it out at “Will”
Moo
by Willj on Oct 22, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and no points for that?
what a shame…
"My facking goat didn’t wear Robes! Does he look Scottisch?!" Baron von Frinkenstein
by itswells on Oct 22, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is Alexandre, not Vlad
Vlad earned a whopping 25 points!
by Jimbo... on Oct 22, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Qith 70 points it's easy.. With 150 points spend on the other hand
by Frinking on Oct 22, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Start with Gerdemann and go down hill from there.
Flame Rouge is a Locke.
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by flying dog on Oct 22, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had two of those. Luckily I also had 6 from the 'best' team.
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 23, 2009 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worst team with 150 points spend
Name (Points Spend , Points earned, Earned/spend)
1 Alessandro Ballan (20, 210, 10,5)
2 Kim Kirchen (18, 162, 9)
3 Linus Gerdemann (14, 120, 8,57)
4 Robbie McEwen (12, 70, 5,83)
5 Thomas Dekker (12, 40, 3,33)
6 Rigoberto Uran (10, 125, 12,5)
7 Enrico Gasparotto (8, 75, 9,38)
8 Stuart O’Grady (6, 0, 0)
9 Romain Feillu (4, 45, 11,25)
10 Bauke Mollema (4, 0, 0)
11 Cyril Dessel (4, 0, 0)
12 David Lopez Garcia (4, 0, 0)
13 Fortuna Baliani (4, 0, 0)
14 Gert Steegmans (4, 0, 0)
15 Magnes Backstedt (4, 0, 0)
16 Vlad Gusev (4, 0, 0)
17 Alberto Loddo (2, 0, 0)
18 Alexandre Efimkin (2, 0, 0)
19 Alexandre Usov (2, 0, 0)
20 Andrea Noe (2, 0, 0)
21 Aurelien Clerc (2, 0, 0)
22 Brett Lancaster (2, 0, 0)
23 Charlie Wegelius (2, 0, 0)
24 Christophe Moreau (2, 0, 0)
25 David Kopp (2, 0, 0)
Points spend: 150
Points earned: 847
Points/spend: 5,65
by Frinking on Oct 22, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Only 2 for me. Did I point out to you that I finished 23rd? ;-)
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 23, 2009 6:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
David Kopp
Didn’t have a team this year. That doesn’t count!
De FIETS en anders NIETS
by Lopex on Oct 23, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure it does
He was on the list, which is the only requirement
by Jimbo... on Oct 23, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Silly rules
last year I had Mikhaylo Khalilov, who not only didn’t ride a single VDS race but was on a team that didn’t ride a single VDS race. And then, just to rub it in at the very end of the season, he only went and won the Coppa Sabatini, which at that time wasn’t a VDS race.
by Monty. on Oct 24, 2009 6:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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