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The Wednesday Session

wednesday sessionWelcome to this week’s edition of the Wednesday Session. Yes, yes, it’s still Wednesday here in California. Suck it, Europe. Australia? Don’t even talk to me. I even made it before sunset. Eight minutes to spare, baby. Alrighty, this week, it’s mix and match, this and that. Some Lombardia, some Lampre tomfoolery, a few transfers, a dash of doping, an air-reverse, a lay-back snap, a sushi roll, and a partridge in a pear tree. I skipped the lady’s dancing, we try to keep it family at the Sesh, and I still haven’t mastered the rodeo, so we’ll have to do without one of those. Maybe next week.

We begin with the Giro di Lombardia, where Gilbert killed it to take the Autumn Double. Gilbert, he likes his classics, and next season, the talented Belgian is planning a full-on assault on Milano-Sanremo, Liège-Bastogne-Liège, and the World Championship road race. There was no tactical hocus-pocus for this Lombardia, as quite simply, the strongest rider won. In the closing kilometers, Gilbert looked to be negotiating with Sánchez. A quick camera shot showed Sánchez shaking his head, no deal. Not that it mattered, for in truth, Gilbert had no need to go shopping and he easily beat Sánchez at the line.

Star-divide

But it wouldn’t be an Italian race without the hint of treachery and a rumble of recrimination. Italian Damiano Cunego threw himself into the polemica breach in his post-race comments. The Lampre rider, who has three wins at Lombardia to his credit, criticized his team-mate Mauro Santambrogio for going up the road, leaving Cunego to his own devices among the favorites. Santambrogio transfers to BMC Racing at the end of the season, and no doubt has ambitions of his own. Anyway, what’s wrong with a little freelancing among friends? Cunego, not a fan of the freelancing apparently, would have much preferred that Santambrogio chose loyalty over ambition. But really, who is he fooling? Like Cunego really had the legs to follow Gilbert? Bitch, please. Gilbert owned that race. Better luck next time to the mini-Italian, who really needs a new nickname. Little Prince. Bah.

He may need a few new team-mates, too, this Cunego. Lampre has long specialized in hiring riders who look exactly like Cunego. Raise your hand if you confused Santambrogio with Cunego at least once during the Giro di Lombardia? They all look the same, these Lampres. Or at least, they did. One of the Other Cunegos, Paolo Tiralongo has decided to transfer to Astana, where he will ride in support of Alberto Contador, who looks nothing like him, for far, far, far more cash. Okay, I exaggerate, but everyone knows that Lampre has the smallest budget in the pro tour, or one of them, despite the addition of a new sponsor next season, Vini Farnese. The Other Cunego left a nice parting gift in the press for the Real Cunego, calling his former team captain self-centered, and completely incapable of gauging his form. According to Tiralongo, Cunego never knows if he has the legs to win, yet always demands that his team-mates ride for him. It’s easy to see how this might cause just a little bit of tension in the team bus among the Other Cunegos. So anyway, they - both Tiralongo and Santambrogio - are leaving, and Saronni was last seen traveling the length of Italy in search of More Cunegos. In the meantime, four riders from LPR will join Lampre-Vini Farnese next season: Alessandro Petacchi, Alessandro Spezialetti, Lorenzo Bernucci, and Daniele Pietropolli. With the co-sponsor and riders heading for the exits, it seems that Bardonali’s LPR is done for. Shall we have a moment of silence? No? Sheesh, I was just trying to be nice. Remind me not to try that again.

Astana has been on quite a hiring spree lately, though the much-desired pro tour license remains elusive. In addition to Tiralongo, 29 year old Rubén Plaza has joined the team. Rumor also suggests that Allan Davis will leave Quick-Step, as his contract is up, and head to Astana. Goradz Strangelj, Enrico Gasparotto, and David de la Fuente may also join the team. Rumor also attached Juan José Cobo to Astana, but Cobo is also linked to Caisse d’Epargne. Gilberto Simoni may also head to Astana. This can not happen. Comedy demands that he transfer to Lampre. The Grapevine promised me comedy. It would be such a let-down, if the Simoni-Lampre deal fell through. Simoni and Contador, so not as funny as Simoni and Cunego. Besides, I do think Damiano could use a solid dose of Simoni, so long as WADA does not object. In any case, Astana looks pretty serious about this bike racing thing, and will learn sometime in November whether the UCI agrees and will toss a pro tour license their way. Meanwhile, Giuseppe Martinelli has signed on as a sports director. I haven’t come up with anything more to say about this move since this morning. So, I’ll just repeat myself. Yuck.

A few random signing newsbits: Jakob Fuglsang has re-signed with Saxo Bank. Are we surprised? Er, no. Dani Moreno transfers to Silence-Lotto for next season. Johnny Hoogerland is considering offers from various teams, though Vacansoleil included him in their roster for next year, announced today. Sprinter Michele Muro goes to Fotoon-Servetto. Is it me, or is Fotoon the most bizarrely spelled sponsor since Camaiooro? Yes, thank you, pass the vowels. Pierrick Fédrigo has decided to stay at Bbox Bouygues Télécom, and Nicholas Vogondy may join him. Gerben Löwik, lately of Vacansoleil, did not receive a new contract and is chatting with Silence-Lotto. No contract, just yet though. Eduard Vorganov leaves Xacobeo-Galicia for Katusha. Katusha, so much easier to spell.

So Spain has a new doping case to ignore. Maybe I could get the Spanish judiciary to tell my landlord that I don’t have to pay the rent? That would be cool. Anyway, Moises Dueñas, remember him? He tested pozzy for EPO at the Tour. Dueñas decided to have a chat with the authorities in the hope of shortening his vacay from cycling. He gave up the name of his supplier, a certain Dr. Jesús Losa. According to El País, Dueñas paid 6000 euros to Losa in 2008. Cheap date, this Losa. Not coincidentally, Maribel Moreno, who tested positive in Beijing and fled the Olympics, also offered up the very same name. We have previously encountered this Dr. Loser. David Millar named him as a supplier for EPO, and he was fired from Euskaltel-Euskadi due to doping-related troubles. From the Basque team, Losa went to work for a regional sports medicine center in Castilla y León. Investigators seized SMS exchanges between Losa and several clients. According to El País, Francisco Mancebo, currently of Rock Racing, Luis León Sánchez of Caisse d’Epargne, and Alexandr Kolobnev of Saxo Bank are among the riders in correspondence with Losa. What will happen in this case? Yes, that was a trick question.

Moving right along to the next doping story du jour. Der Spiegel tells us this week that Jan Ullrich reportedly visited Dr. Fuentes on 24 occasions between 2003 and 2006, and paid out at least 80,000 euros for the doctor’s services. This number comes from two bank transfers that investigators found in Ullrich’s financial records. Rudy Pavenage reportedly also frequently visited Fuentes and travelled to Madrid on 15 occasions. Maybe they were just good friends. Pavenage, an apologist to the end, told investigators that Ullrich visited Fuentes for help with his oft-publicized weight problems. I don’t know about you, but I always visit my OB-GYN for diet advice. All of the men have now fled the room. It’s okay boys, you can come back now, we’re done talking about the Girly Doctors. The new information about Ullrich’s habits came from a computer obtained by investigators in a raid of Pavenage’s crib. Der Spiegel obtained portions of a 2000 page document prepared in connection with the fraud investigations of Jan Ullrich between 2006 and 2008. It seems that the information will not lead to any further prosecution of the retired Tour winner and Olympic road race champion, though the report also concludes that Ullrich used the services of Fuentes to win races with the help of banned methods and substances. 2006, so last year.

Oh, and by the way, the B-samples for the three Liberty Seguros riders who were allegedly doing the naughty during the Tour of Portugal came back positive. That’s Nuno Ribiero, Isidro Nozal, and Hector Guerra for those of you playing along at home. Really, I have nothing to add.

Route announcements galore! The Tour of California will hold a presser in Sac’to to announce the stage towns for next year’s romp around California. So far, no rumors of gravel roads or team time trials have emerged. That’s Giro 2, Tour of Cali, 0. Next, they’ll be heading out back to compare mountains. For their part, the Italians will announce next year’s Giro d’Italia route, the not-Centenario Giro, on Saturday evening. Forget the route, I’m here for the fashion. Who will take the place of the missing Riccardo Riccó as the King of Fashion Disaster? Whose hair will look like an alien set loose from a mid-century horror film? And who will win the prize for the Most Beautiful of Them All? These, my friends, are the vital questions of the day. I positively shiver with suspense.

In the meantime, run along and amuse yourselves. My work is done here.

B’bye,
gav.

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Davis said his contract goes to 2010??

In an article here in
aust (trying to find link) Davis stated he was signed to Qst for 2010, but it had a Buy Out clause…

"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"

Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009

by CycleGirl on Oct 21, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Link found here - Davis

Under contract 2010

"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"

Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009

by CycleGirl on Oct 21, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, whatevs

Point is, he is considering changing teams, Astana a possible destination.

by gavia on Oct 21, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But we still have no UCI decision.. arghhhh

"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"

Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009

by CycleGirl on Oct 22, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm, intriguing question

The webby just says follow us on twitter, announcement at 8.30 am PST.

by gavia on Oct 21, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you calling in to the conference call at 10:30?

I might if time allows. Got the # if you want.

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Oct 22, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hadn't planned on it

but could if you want me to. let me know.

by gavia on Oct 22, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

meh

spent all morning cursing not one but TWO horribly deficient tubulars. Anyway these route announcements don’t do it for me. OK, there’s a parcours. See you in May.

With one exception, of course. Saturday…

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Oct 22, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL, pretty much

Whoa, cool, a bike race. See you there.

Giro is the exception to all rules.

by gavia on Oct 22, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

truly

does anyone walk away from the Giro presentation talking about the race? I don’t.

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Oct 22, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(more meaningful reaction to follow at saner hour)

by tedvdw on Oct 21, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh crap

no wonder it looked so wacked.

gav <—- quite dislexic. i really can’t handle so many doubled vowels.

by gavia on Oct 22, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

slept on one

all through law school…

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Oct 22, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

do you roll it up?

They don’t have hugely long life spans but rolling them up helps lots & mine’s doing ok. I’m so used to it I think I’d have real trouble sleeping for any length of time on a sprung mattress these days.

by civetta on Oct 22, 2009 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once a week (or more often if you can manage it)

roll it up in the morning, prop it up with pillows to stop it unrolling, leave like that all day & unroll again in the evening. Seriously. & turn in round/over every other time.

by civetta on Oct 22, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I learned today
In the closing kilometers, Gilbert looked to be negotiating with Sánchez. A quick camera shot showed Sánchez shaking his head, no deal.

heh. Not that I should be surprised. But I dunno what’s worse, Gilbert trying to buy a race he was gonna win anyway, or Sanchez turning down a payday only to lose for free. Love it!

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Oct 22, 2009 1:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How about C) someone trying to buy a monument win

a stage at a small to medium important race or a smaller one day race sure, but a Monument?! Who would be dumb enough to just give a chance of a career win away? Not that I blame for Gilbert for trying.

Dammit Elk! I don't care if it's your mating season, you are disturbing my peaceful sleep! Just STFU!

by Phil H. on Oct 22, 2009 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't have to be for the win (although this looked like it)

Could be for an agreement to work together until x metre before the line.

by tedvdw on Oct 22, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't imagine how much it would cost to buy a monument

Probably more than most pros would earn in a year.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Oct 22, 2009 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amusing, no?

It’s a very short camera shot, easy to miss.

by gavia on Oct 22, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I need to look for such things more

Cycling is so many things, including the world’s fastest-moving market economy.

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Oct 22, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

Nice meta there.

by gavia on Oct 22, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He may not have been buying, of course

He could have been saying “you likee this, suck-ERRRR? You want me to make it hurt more?”

by addict on Oct 22, 2009 2:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Polemica-lovers are going to get their fair share of team infighting

with Petacchi and his merry men on one side and Cunego and his rub-on-tattoo-gang on the other (is there a gang or is Cunego a band of one?)

by Jens on Oct 22, 2009 3:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Correction

I’m pretty sure the Lampre-teambus is on Cunego’s side in this.

by Jens on Oct 22, 2009 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Snort

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 22, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and

you read Cycle Sport… Liquigas is a grand tour powder keg.

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Oct 22, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ooooh, can't wait to watch that story

though I have to say, Basso is not exactly the volatile polemica guy. He also needs a dose of Simoni.

by gavia on Oct 22, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

Nibali was respectful… but firm. He isn’t taking no for an answer. And frankly, when a Sicilian tells you this, you listen, no?

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Oct 22, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm, yes

Never cross a Sicilian and all. Basso had best watch out for the Iocaine powder.

I have the feeling the road will decide this one. At Basso’s expense.

by gavia on Oct 22, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh

The real beef, of course, is that Amadio keeps saying “let the road decide.” Only when you have three (or 2.5) leaders all riding decently, none of them will ever say “you know, I think Roman is a little stronger than me, let’s ride for him.” The only way the road “decides” is when it bucks one of them into a ditch.

Also, I am pretty sure Amadio is paid to decide. Nobody said being a DS on an expensive Italian team is easy.

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Oct 22, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

Not giving Amadio a free pass by any means. He should be able to read the writing on the wall. Basso, so 2006. Nibali is the better rider, methinks.

by gavia on Oct 22, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There was some flipflopping too

Originally it was: Basso/Jen Grey for the Giro – Nibali/Keutziger for the Tour. Then all of a sudden Pellizotti got free reigns at the Tour as well. That’s just asking for trouble.

by Jens on Oct 22, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah Pello

yes, one more for the party.

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Oct 22, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol, yeah

Pellizotti is pushing harder than Nibali, I think. He wanted to cut a dealio with Basso where he’d have leadership for the Giro in exchange for supporting Basso at the Tour. Which would leave Nibs out in the cold. Watch out for that stiletto. I’m guessing Pellizotti will be happy if he gets the Giro and won’t worry overly about the Tour. Should be vastly entertaining to watch, anyway.

by gavia on Oct 22, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He better be

by my count he’s the Giro favorite, depending on who shows up. Take out the dopers and the foreigners who probably won’t return, and you’ve got your man for 2010. He could be working on a three-peat by now.

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Oct 22, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm, right

Hadn’t done the math on that one, but I do believe you’re right.

by gavia on Oct 22, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

the actual math might mention Bruseghin (two seconds better than Jen Grey in 2008) but I have my doubts about seeing that result ever again.

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Oct 23, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that makes two of us

on the Bruseghin thingy.

by gavia on Oct 23, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"You lika my sista?" [eyes filled with lightning strikes]

- “No, no!”
“You no lika my sista?!” [click, click! go the stiletto knives]

by tedvdw on Oct 22, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, right

Yes, Dani Moreno is mentioned in the El País article also. Oopsy.

Evans, not having the easiest time hiring team-mates of late.

by gavia on Oct 22, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wielerflits highlights some details

http://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/6536/kans-op-blootleggen-spaans-dopingnetwerk-klein.html
Basically the “news” is several months old and the investigation has already been abandoned back in May for lack of evidence. The same doctor Losa was named by Millar in 2004.

by tedvdw on Oct 22, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, though

I got the impression from El País that there was pressure afoot to reopen it. But I’d have to read it again.

by gavia on Oct 22, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Velonews, withn the hulp of Tuttosport, La Stampa and La Repubblica, has the Giro route.

It included 4TT.
1 prologue
1 TTT
1 ICTT
1 ITT

Uphill stages ending on the:
Zoncolan, Pejo Terme, Passo del Tonale and Aprica
While they are also climbing the Gavia and Mortirolo.

Now I have to look up the profiles to see how heavy they are

by Frinking on Oct 22, 2009 6:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Steephill

probably has the whole route laid out also. Eh, I always wait for the announcements. Life is short.

by gavia on Oct 22, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fotoon? I thought it was Footon. Or perhaps I was just thinking of the Japanese bed thingies.

No, it IS Footon. I just looked it up.

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 22, 2009 6:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh woops, someone already pointed this out.

Albertina <———- should so read other people’s comments before posting her own

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 22, 2009 6:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought it was phooton … but then English is constitutionally my second language …

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Oct 22, 2009 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i've always seen the foldup mattresses things

spelled as futon – maybe that’s just texas …

by yeehoo on Oct 22, 2009 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not just Texas, pretty much everywhere

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Oct 22, 2009 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought in Texas you used buffalo for fold-up mattresses …

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Oct 22, 2009 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

long gone the buffaloes

now we sleep on japanese things that are hard to spell

by yeehoo on Oct 22, 2009 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Daihatsus? Mitsubishis?

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Oct 22, 2009 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol, yeah

I really can’t spell, especially with that many double vowels.

by gavia on Oct 22, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most Beautiful of Them All?

Surely you know the answer to that Gav? The is Only One…..

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 22, 2009 6:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Have a peek at Frinking's photo thread ;)

You have such great taste…

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 22, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We do not all know! Pft! What a thing to say!

(Albertina storms out of the room, throwing her chair as she goes)

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 22, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aha

See, Jens – now we know the reason why her chair is so unstable, causing her to fall off so often ;-).

Sorry, Albertina, but actually it always has been Tony…

by Lou... on Oct 22, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nope.... quinziato

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Oct 22, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol, well...

There’s always the possibility of a challenge. We’ll have to see on Saturday ;-)

by gavia on Oct 22, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe if Eros Capecchi should turn up, but I'd say that's unlikely.

You can start engraving his name on the trophy. Remember to spell it correctly now…B-E-N-N-A-T-I ;-)

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 22, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

And the prize? Why an engraved mirror, of course ;-)

by gavia on Oct 22, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bahahaha. Good one.

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 22, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Liberty Seguros

Nuno Ribeiro seems to be taking advice from Richard Virenque:

"I received injections without knowing what they were. When you’re in a team, you have to trust the persons you work with every day. You have to assume that what they do is for our best. There was no reason to doubt it. I took what the doctor in charge of the team gave me. I did not know what it was. I trusted that what they gave me was for recovery. "
(CN) Yeah, right …

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Oct 22, 2009 7:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

?

What sane person would allow anyone to inject them with something unknown?

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Oct 22, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does he say he’s sane? :)

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Oct 22, 2009 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, obviously not

No sane person would ever say something so ridiculous and expect anyone to buy it.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Oct 22, 2009 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh i believe him up to the point

that he received injections and didn’t know what was in them. But obviously he had to suspect, he couldn’t have been too surprised that doping agents were in his blood, he didn’t know and he didn’t want to know and he didn’t ask, etc, etc ………..

by yeehoo on Oct 22, 2009 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wouldn't he notice just based on his performance?

Pro athletes must know their bodies better than that. Unless you are Cunego, as pointed out by a disgruntled teammate and Gav.

by ZoeRochelle on Oct 22, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You would think

it would be hard to miss the effects of EPO.

Eh, Cunego, dude’s having some rough times of late.

by gavia on Oct 22, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stories from Manolo Saiz team

(think Bella Jorg was one who said it)
You went to the doc’s room, sat down, rolled up your sleeve and asked no questions.

by Jens on Oct 22, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And after 8 hours in the saddle

do you really want to expend any energy grilling over the doctor? Or do you just want your pasta and rubdown?

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Oct 22, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Working hard and getting tired

doesn’t really relieve you of responsibility for your own actions, does it?
Just as pro athletes can be expected to be careful what they put in their bodies with dodgy supplements and stuff out there they can be expected to be critical (or at least informed) of what doctors inject them with. We’re talking about grown men here.

by Jens on Oct 22, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure

Just saying, unless they have a clear reason to be suspicious, I would guess most riders would prefer not to think about it. That said, over time they need to take control of matters, either by formulating a plan with the team for legitimate nutrition support or by finding another team. Not sure how realistic any of this is for guys who don’t have a ton of control, especially the gregari.

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Oct 22, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate to disagree with the maestro...

… but given the history of the sport, given the role of doctors, and given the potential career impact, you HAVE to take an interest in what is being put in your body.

We all have jobs, and we all get tired, but we all know that there are some career-limiting f*ck ups which are worth the extra hassle to avoid. This is no different.

It’s your career, you only have one of them, so on stuff you KNOW can blow it up, you have to go the extra mile, tired or not. If you are a professional, you have professional duties to fulfill, and not breaking the rules of the sport is one of them.

by addict on Oct 23, 2009 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think addict has the most sensible attitude re drugs

(sorry, I just wanted to type that).

But I concur. Enough shit’s happened in cycling that you have to take responsibility for your own body. It sucks that they can’t trust the guys who are supposed to be looking after their health, but that’s the way it is.

by LurkerMcLurkerson on Oct 23, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jesús Losa

I see elsewhere that it’s being claimed that Losa’s clients included one former TdeF ‘winner’ who got into a bit of a panic once Dueñas was caught.

Gosh, I wonder who that could be? I can think of one ‘winner’ who was sooo panicked he crashed out of the race a few days later. I wonder if it was he …

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Oct 22, 2009 7:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You give in too easily. I don’t. Be like the constipated mathematician. Work it out with a pencil. :)

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Oct 22, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is that I am having trouble remembering who was riding in the 2008 race

In 2008 there were no previous winners riding that I can recall.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Oct 22, 2009 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There was one previous ‘winner’. (And the quote marks is a clue.)

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Oct 22, 2009 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't suggest

anyone will want a crash like that for anything!

by rbjhan on Oct 22, 2009 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gosh no!

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 22, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still drawing a blank

The only ‘winner’ I can think of that was riding was for Barloworld and won the KoM in 2007 and also crashed, Soler. But I may be wrong.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Oct 22, 2009 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad someone else is drawing a blank

and I’m sure noone would be having ago at the sweetly smiling Soler..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 22, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

JLA or MS? Maybe I just don't get subtext...

or I have an appalling memory..
OH, just got SpunOut’s post below. I have a memory like a sieve…

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Oct 22, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

There has been a rumored connection between Pereiro and Losa. It’s not confirmed anywhere, howev.

by gavia on Oct 22, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like it...

Way to tell Europe and Australia to shut up. I like the overall agressive vocabulary in this addition… “suck it”… “killed it”… “into the…breach”… “Bitch, please”. Gav you are one colorful personality. People, let this be a warning to behave yourselves and wait patiently for the Wed. sesh, piss this girl off at your own peril.

No horn, watch for finger.

by sminer on Oct 22, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

moi?

all sweetness and light, sugar and spice. ha!

by gavia on Oct 22, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's the spice part

that needs to be treated with caution…

Tickets are bought, Belgium here I come!

by jsallee00 on Oct 22, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my experience

it’s the sugar that hides the evil.

by Monty. on Oct 22, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

Don’t be giving away my secrets, now.

by gavia on Oct 22, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once again, that is on The Banned List.

PdC is NSFW? Now you tell me… ;-)

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 23, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right,

it’s a facebook link: fbcdn = facebook content delivery network.

by tedvdw on Oct 23, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep...our work does not heart social networking sites!

I will look when I get home…

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Oct 23, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ROFL

That was awesome. Heh, I save that one.

by gavia on Oct 23, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm shocked, shocked to find that a Wednesday session is going on in here!

Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.

by TheFigurehead on Oct 22, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oopsy

I’ll try not to let it happen again.

by gavia on Oct 22, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha!

When is the poll: Funiest person on PDC?!

You are briljant!

by Frinking on Oct 22, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I lost the Wed reading

Assumed it was only going to be issues today. So I just got online on Friday….hum…here….
I like the Friday reading as well…I should be training but the rain was a good excuse for the sesh and a couple of beers.
Now just need to be careful not to jeopardize the Saturday morning ride…..going to the 3rd…beer….ops. I am already there.

Your bike doesn't want to crash so relax and let it roll!!!

by perezbike on Oct 23, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some transfer news from the women's peloton

US team Tibco have signed up Aussie rider Ruth Corset (team leader for the national squad in Mendrisio where she finished twelfth) on a contract that will see her racing in Europe next year for two months, between April and June. This is the first I’ve seen of Tibco’s plans to race in Europe so it could be that Kristin Armstrong could also reappear, perhaps as a DS.

by Monty. on Oct 22, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

D'oh

they both ride in blue, right?

by Monty. on Oct 22, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, good. An excuse

So could that mean two teams racing in Europe under team colours next year, as well as the national squad. (OK Columbia may be technically US, but I don’t think of them as so).

by Monty. on Oct 22, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the sesh, Gav.

Reading your stuff is like listening to really good music. Just a treat.

by Ruthann on Oct 22, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you're welcome :-)

glad you enjoyed it.

by gavia on Oct 22, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ricco

Is back in time for the Giro. Might show up at the presentation?

I really wonder if he can still climb like a rocket. Probably not.

De FIETS en anders NIETS

by Lopex on Oct 24, 2009 6:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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