Transfers and Team Mojos: A Snapshot of 2010
Time to check in on how the transfer season is shaping next year. A little background... yes, the transfers are individually well known, but this is a look in on the collective effect. And OK, sure, if you're a professional tifoso, sitting in a cafe in Utrecht hitting refresh on cyclinglinks.nl, then even this may be old news. But for many of us -- casual fans, people struggling to preview fall races on their coffee breaks, etc. -- those stories took shape piecemeal during the late summer/fall crunch, and are worth digesting in more detail now. So here goes. [And no, Transferbecco is not available to assist me.]
Team Sky
v.2009: A looming presence. Dave Brailsford, Scott Sunderland, and more GB Pounds than you could stuff under your mattress. Am I going to have to say something nice about Rupert Murdoch soon?
v.2010: Ah, riders... While Sky have been extremely active in real life (almost as active as they were in the rumor mill), the team is clearly a work in progress. It's a nice mix of young (Boasson Hagen, Thomas, Possoni, Serge Pauwels) and veteran (Arvesen, Gerrans, Flecha). It's also decidedly Brit and Scandinavian accented, with a focus on classics and short stage races. Thomas Lovkvist is the leader for the climbs, though he doesn't fit the grand tour billing yet. Boasson Hagen is the biggest star, though his youth probably means the team will stop short of giving him full leadership. Arvesen may indeed be the real captain while shepherding his countryman protege around the biggest classics this spring.
Holiday Wish List: For 2010 to hurry up and end? If the team's motivation is to showcase British cycling and inspire the citizenry to take to their bikes in time for the London Olympics, then Brailsford can be forgiven for openly salivating over the day next year when Wiggins and Cavendish become free agents. [2011 for Cav.] Sky could try to make major moves now, but their ideal scenario might be worth waiting for instead.
I think I'll go in reverse alphabetical order. To the flip, shall we?
Team Saxo Bank
v.2009: Standard Riis fare, covering every race with depth and at least one true threat to win. Cancellara's injuries put a damper on the Cobbles team, but from Liege-Bastogne-Liege onward Saxo were their usual excellent selves, a close second on points to the Columbian juggernaut. Jakob Fuglsang's development was the biggest story, but mostly this team belonged to Cancellara and the Schlecks.
v.2010: Their depth has taken a hit, and the emergence of Sky as a competitor for Scandinavian talent must be a bit unnerving. Also, surely there was some consternation over Rasmus Guldhammer going to Columbia-HTC. But cycling teams don't have geographic rights, and anyway Riis' comfort zone -- a veteran, hard-riding nucleus -- has a few good seasons ahead of them, at least.
Holiday Wish List: A little more backup for Tony in the cobbled classics. Actually, a healthy Stuart O'Grady might do the trick.
Team Shack
v.2009: Or is it Team The Shack? God, that would suck. Anyway, I suppose you could argue that it didn't exist, but of course it did, just under a different set of colors. The Bruyneel Model is all about loading up for the grand tours without a shred of restraint. Of course, when you only meaningfully contest one of the three grand tours, despite having enough riders for at least five GT squads, it raises some uncomfortable questions. Like, do Bruyneel and Armstrong have an unhealthy relationship to the Tour de France? Of the I-know-better-but-can't-stop-myself variety? They do, and everyone knows it: you, me, them, even ASO. But hey, it's their money, not mine.
v.2010: It's tempting to just call this the wayback machine version of a Bruyneel team -- everyone but that annoying Contador guy -- but it is worth noting that they should be a presence in a few classics as well, with Vaitkus a B-list cobbles guy along with Steegmans and Rosseler, plus Lance and young gun Ben Hermans in the Ardennes. One wonders where exactly this is going; JB and Lance seem like a one-trick pony, and that trick, along with the ponies, is getting rather old. But I will give them credit: the Trek/Livestrong development team is evidence that they're building for the future, when it's finally time to pack away US Postal for good.
Holiday Wish List: Honestly, I can't think of anything. There are plenty of needs, but I don't know if Bruyneel is interested, and I'm not overly interested if they aren't.
Team Milram
v.2009: I tried to believe in these guys this year, and what did they do? Racked up eight wins... fewer than Seoul Cycling, Colombia es Pasion, and Azad University Iran. As to who they are, the most you can say is that they're distinctly German, which is a good model for them even if it hasn't paid off yet. At all.
v.2010: More of the same, sitting around waiting for Ciolek to accelerate or Gerdemann to climb away. Both riders seem just short of great to me, which is too bad, because for all their Germanness Milram are not bringing home the bigger stars. Tony Martin isn't walking through that door anytime soon. Marcus Burghardt went to BMC. Perhaps they like the kids they're bringing in better. Or maybe they don't have the money or cachet to ramp up. Anyway, hope for better luck next time. [Good point in the comments: it's still early for Ciolek. And he might end up more of a classics stud than a pure sprinter.]
Holiday Wish List: A guardian angel for Gerdemann. Also the return of the DeutschlandTour would help them immensely.
Team Katusha
v.2009: Kind of an unhappy mess, but then things are never easy in Year One of a team's existence. I suspect they can avoid further internal madness (stop hiring alleged dopers), though you never know. Anyway, they were a random classics team with an April pedigree, and had Pozzato gotten past Boonen in northern France they'd have been celebrating a great spring.
v.2010: Katusha are officially an Ardennes juggernaut, and maybe a minor threat in the hilly stage races. Serguei Ivanov probably has a few more efforts left, and now can enjoy the sight of Kim Kirchen and Joaquim Rodriguez alongside. Well, maybe... how these guys mesh remains to be seen. Certainly Rodriguez is coming to Katusha thinking he'll get his chance to shine, after years in the shadows. Anyway, there are worse problems to have. Pozzato may still be a tad exposed on the cobbles, but if Joan Horrach is healthy maybe Pippo will be OK.
Holiday Wish List: Oh, they'd love to go shopping for a Tour de France winner. Barring that, another cobbles guy, healthy sprinters, and the official start of the Sochi Tour. Like Milram, the exposure of a major stage race on home soil would do a world of good.
Team Columbia-HTC
v.2009: Needs little introduction: a classics and stage-winning juggernaut unseen since the Mapei days. The grand tours eluded them, thanks to a roster that featured youth and sprints over experience and climbing, but you can't have everything in today's Cycling world.
v.2010: After the mass exodus that saw Boasson Hagen, Lovkvist, Burghardt, Hincapie, Possoni and Henderson, you could be forgiven for thinking of Columbia-HTC as a helpless feeder system for other teams, nurturing young talent only to see it snatched away. But the Guldhammer signing indicates something more sustainable -- Columbia-HTC are in fact occupying a unique niche focused on giving young riders a development opportunity they simply can't find anywhere else. Guldhammer told Cyclingnews that he didn't want to spend his development time as a system rider for Riis, hammering away for other guys, when he could be at Columbia riding a program designed to suit his specific needs. Obviously such a program won't immediately translate into success at the biggest races, where experience is so critical, and they won't be able to retain everyone they develop. But if they can hang on to a few of their top projects along the way, those bigger goals aren't out of reach.
For now, though, the team got a lot younger in the last few months, so unless Guldhammer and Jan Ghyselinck and Tejay Van Garderen can accelerate their learning process (not recommended), Columbia are looking much more like a sprint squad with little else. Tony Martin can chase after short stage race wins and continue to learn his way around France in July, but their classics team has been gutted, and will call more on Cavendish to make it to the end of any race he possibly can. The Velits boys might make a difference, with Peter someone who might just be ready to make the leap. We'll see.
Holiday Wish List: Contador might seem like a logical fit, given the big void, but I have no reason to suspect that would happen. Really, they ought to be looking for some protection for Martin to see what he can do in the Giro or Vuelta. But even there, they have plenty of talent already on hand (Monfort, Rogers, Albasini, Siutsou) to cover things.
Rabobank
v.2009: A large stable of mostly Dutch stars, mostly young, and capable of winning everything you can think of (though they usually won't).
v.2010: A large stable of mostly Dutch stars, mostly young, and capable of winning everything you can think of (though they usually won't). Seriously, virtually no changes other than booting the unhappy Juan Flecha and calling up a couple more kids from their endless talent pipeline. And another year older should translate into a few more wins.
Holiday Wish List: Um, if Rabo managers aren't salivating over Johnny Hoogerland, there's something wrong with them. Pairing him with Gesink, Ten Dam and Mollema would be like a cycling remake of Young Guns. Only cooler. Unfortunately Vacansoleil are a real team, so the Hoogie Heist isn't likely. Apparently there's some history which is described in the comments and constitutes a permanent wedge between Hoogie and his former employer from his junior days. See what I mean about professional tifosi sitting in Utrecht cafes?
Quick Step
v.2009: Defied the usual jokes about their season being over in April with a San Sebastian win and some noise from the latest Belgian Climbing Sensation, Kevin Seeldraeyers. That said, they delivered on the Cobbles again. And Boonen's journey away from the bunch sprint world took several big steps.
v.2010: Virtually no change, so far. Apparently the scuttlebut among the kids is that QSI isn't a place to develop, because the young Belgian talent seems to be avoiding Patrick Lefevre like the plague. The biggest story will continue to be Devolder's role vis-a-vis Boonen, followed by Boonen's possible transition away from the stage sprint game and toward... not sure. More time trialing? Stage races without major climbs?
Holiday Wish List: A veteran climber. Maybe even one who has a few Tours under his belt? The Contador rumors don't seem overly likely to me, more like a marriage of convenience. Either way, Quick Step have apparently held back some money and roster spots in case, and when Contador comes to his senses, Lefevre can use that money and freedom to build some depth instead.
Garmin-Slipstream
v.2009: Like Rabobank, a team that does everything... poorly for about three months, after which they did everything unbelievably well. Tyler Farrar gave them a top-end sprinter in the stage battles. Bradley Wiggins and Christian VandeVelde comprised one of the best Tour tandems on the planet. Martijn Maaskant was an excellent fourth in Flanders. And they often seemed to have a guy like Hesjedal or Daniel Martin or David Millar on the prowl for a result.
v.2010: Could be a great, great year. Vaughters fortified his strengths by adding Frederik Kessiakoff and Johan Van Summeren, two extremely useful all-rounders, plus Robbie Hunter for the sprint squad and Jack Bobridge for the development gang. Maaskant may still be exposed on the Cobbles, depending on how they want to deploy Van Summeren, though they would make a capable duo, to say the least.
Holiday Wish List: There are no shortage of rumors concerning Alberto Contador coming on board, along with some clear reasons why it would work better than the Astana overstock did. Til it happens, Garmin have enough to be happy about.
Astana
v.2009: See Team The Shack for half of the story. The other half consisted of Alberto Contador dominating the Tour de France and a few other races (while seeming briefly human in Paris-Nice). Max Iglinsky enlivened the hilly classics on occasion, and Alexandre Vinokourov enlivened the media for the final month or so.
v.2010: The Contador Saga will determine whether this is Vino's team entirely, or something worth paying attention to, at least in July. David de la Fuente would be the top lieutenant in the climbing stages, presumably, which is nice to have. Otherwise, Contador will have replaced the unpleasantness of Team Lance with a far less potent, but more devoted, support gang.
Holiday Wish List: An end to the story. At this point, any ending will do.
[Gavia will be following up with a check-in on the other half of the Big Teams. Stay tuned!]
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What's with Devo?
Is he staying at QS, or is that still an unknown?
Tickets are bought, Belgium here I come!
by jsallee00 on Oct 28, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"Brailsford can be forgiven for openly salivating over the day next year when Wiggins and Cavendish become free agents."
Cav’s tied up through 2011.
pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway
by fmk on Oct 28, 2009 7:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hoogie will never go back to Rabobank, I think,
especially not after this week’s revelations in Sportweek magazine where he told the world how Rabo dropped him faster than a pair of knickers on Prom night after his initial positive test for testosterone (or: adverse finding) back when he was a junior. Apparently he still holds a grudge. Says they did not support him when they said they would and that they didn’t need to publish those first test results, which gave him a bad name in the peloton. (It turned out to be a natural phenomenon and he holds a doctor’s note now.)
And another shocker from the interview: his real name isn’t Johnny but Thomas!
by tedvdw on Oct 28, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tommy Testosterony?
Rabo would never take a chance on a ticking timebomb like Hoogie after all the flack they’ve taken for Rasmussen and Dekker.
by Jens on Oct 28, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Rabo was wrong in what they did and this was long before Rasmussen and Dekker came to prominence
but is there fault that the published test results of junior before really consulting with a doctor. Seems like they just have bad judgement overall
by Vlaanderen90 on Oct 28, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like standard operating procedure
cut the “bad apple” loose quickly to avoid the appearance of complicity.
by Jens on Oct 28, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess...but he was a junior in 2000 and 2001 so I would think that Rabobank wouldn't really have to chuck bad apples
when the pro team was probably had it good share of users but I can see your point
by Vlaanderen90 on Oct 28, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wondered how Hoogie had come from nowhere...
… now it looks like I know.
Gutting as I really liked him.
Hope he proves me wrong.
What goes here?
by jimmythecuckoo on Oct 29, 2009 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uuh right..
It’s good to be cynical byut you are very cynical
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 29, 2009 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you know?
The story on the testosterone is that he was given the ok by docs as having a naturally high testosterone level. There is no positive there regardless of what Rabo might think. If you’re going on what I wrote I would like to make it clear that I think his history makes him a guy I will be very cautious about trusting but there is absolutely no evidence or allegations that he is doping.
by Jens on Oct 29, 2009 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moreover,
he was a junior. There are not many juniors doping with testosterone, I think.
by tedvdw on Oct 29, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cough Ricco Cough
Wasn’t supposedly testosterone, but with that example suspicions flair. He will just have to be very careful going forward.
by Markk on Oct 29, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
The number of teenagers who’ve taken supplements of whatever origin is large indeed.
by ursula on Oct 29, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kohl also confessed to doping as a junior.
by majope on Oct 30, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, but I think things like EPO are much safer (cue orange juice quote)
Would a junior have such a sophisticated testosterone doping programme that medical testing (presumably over a period of time) would declare it natural? By the way, it wasn’t about an absolute level but about the ratio of testosterone/epi-testosterone.
On the other hand, Theunisse was busted for just this. Might have been his example.
by tedvdw on Oct 30, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hehe
In this months issue of Wielermagazine Hoogerland’s dad says it was Theunisse who confronted Johnny with not living as a pro and Johnny changed his attitude afterwards. He is really living for the sport now.
De FIETS en anders NIETS
by Lopex on Oct 30, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was after his testo-story of course
Really starting to live for cycling is a reason why some guys enter the pro scene with a blast. Lieuwe Westra did the same this year.
De FIETS en anders NIETS
by Lopex on Oct 30, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good thing you're leaving out the snark-o-mat characters
“Really living as a pro.”
by tedvdw on Oct 30, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we, or I, totally forgot. Why would you ate that kind of things when everybody forgot.
Don’t think VacansOleil was happy with it..
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 29, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ate=say??
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 29, 2009 6:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everybody forgot?
I should say that insiders always knew (like, all amateur racers in Holland for example) and most of the general public never knew. I did no know until I read about it in a comment on wielerflits.nl. I agree that it may not have been the best of decisions to tell the story in broadly read Sportweek, on the other hand, it’s nothing new and with his increased profile the story would probably have taken on a life of its own. Best to stay ahead of the rumours.
by tedvdw on Oct 29, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully Garmin can show up before August this year...
Bobridge and Travis Meyer are going to be busy on the track all winter/spring but they should be in good form for races in May and on. They really trimmed a lot of the fat this year with cutting Friedman, Donald, Caldwell and Patour.
I am really going to dislike Columbia even more if they bring Martin to the Tour this year and stick him into the sprint train. It is going to get really old fast for some of their devloping guys to have to block wind for Cavendish before mountain stages.
Even though Milram might not have gotten a lot though they did get one little gem: Dominique Nerz. He is only 20 but the kid can fly up hills and he isn’t too shabby in the TT. Milram should be better than last year and I think Ciolek will find some good form, I mean he is almost 1.5 years younger than Cav.
by Vlaanderen90 on Oct 28, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it's worth remembering that Ciolek just turned 23 last month.
And he was sick in the spring. Later on he did get 3rd in the Vattenfall Classics and then a stage in the Vuelta, so he ended this year looking pretty good.
by majope on Oct 28, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering why Friedman was going to be riding for Jelly Belly
I assumed it was because he had a friendship with Brad Huff but him not getting renewed makes sense to me. They needed to let go some of the middle of the road guys to bring on bigger talent. But to Jelly Belly? Seems like a HUGE step down.
If I just had one more gear, I...
by SpunOut on Oct 29, 2009 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I don't think he is cut out for Europe and he can just focus on NRC races and some of the Asian stuff Jelly Belly
does. Him and Brad Huff have a bro-mance of course but Jelly Belly seems to have gone up a little since previous years
by Vlaanderen90 on Oct 29, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right
Was the problem the speeds, distances, sickness/injury? I don’t remember what the exact reasons were. I guess I can’t imagine going backwards in my job like he is going in his. Going from Pro Tour to div III is going backward IMO and something that I just don’t really understand.
If I just had one more gear, I...
by SpunOut on Oct 29, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is going backwards...even in 2008 when he was 12th in Het Volk, that was his best result other that a TTT
The best he could do in Europe is to be a domestique but I just think that he could not find any consistent form or that his best form was only pack-fill material. Also I think that his “Meatball” nickname is pretty true in that he has more muscle mass than most top-shelf cyclists and it really inhibits his climbing abilities for Euro races.
by Vlaanderen90 on Oct 29, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was primarily a track racer and never really a Pro Tour racer.
But I think this could be a good career move. He’s stepping into a leadership role he wants and others on the team have backed away from. Maybe being a big fish in a small pond will help him develop some as a road racer. Like Chris Horner he might eventually go back to Europe and race at a much higher level with more confidence than he has been riding.
Formerly known in some circles as flying dog.
by Mark Frank on Oct 29, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have Garmin got many US riders left?
beyond CVV and Zabriskie? Wasn’t one of their founding philosophies to bring on US talent? is that not happening any more?
by Monty. on Oct 29, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They just signed Tom zirbel and Peter Stetina...they haven't gotten Howes yet it is still in the rumor mill from the devlopment squad
by Vlaanderen90 on Oct 29, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ Farrar and Cozza and Pate and Danielson and Euser and . . .
Formerly known in some circles as flying dog.
by Mark Frank on Oct 30, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yay!
That was fun.
Wait… You mean I have to write something? I don’t just get to sit here reading?!
My part 2 will fire, eh, Friday, I think. I still have the Wednesday Session to write. Because you know, Thursday is the new Wednesday and stuff. And well, I had to do a thing or two today, the old skool actual Wednesday.
by gavia on Oct 28, 2009 8:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let me know if you wish me to advise on the Euskies :-)))
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 29, 2009 5:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes please!
can you send me a maily? that would rock! passodigavia on the gmaily.
i’m all about group projects.
by gavia on Oct 29, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you hate red Gav? Why?
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 29, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do hate Frinking?
Whatever
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 29, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hate reading
Ugh..
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 29, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Er....?? ;-)
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 29, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome in Frinking's head!
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 29, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gah
I’m totally lost in here. How do I get out?
Of Frinking’s head, I mean.
by gavia on Oct 29, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh oh

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Oct 29, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tis a maze...follow the left hand hedge
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 29, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woman are so hopeless..
You couldn’t spot the exit signs?
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 29, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were in Dutch
(now see, this woman would have torched a path straight through the foliage…)
by Lou... on Oct 29, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol.. the foliage?
Where do you my head is full of?
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 29, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Various shrubs and ferns
(nah – Albertina said that it is a maze, you see)
by Lou... on Oct 29, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed. I will do it tonight.
I’m supposed to be working at the moment and stuff.
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 29, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want Sicard!
Well as in your blog
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 29, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sicard will be spoken of, after I've written an essay on Intxausti...
….mmmm Intxausti ;-)
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 29, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Muahah..
“The eternal talent”
Ah wel I like him. As long as you also talk ;bout their snowflake
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 29, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nieve was mentioned in passing!
Now back to Intxausti…mmmmmm
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 29, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gav, you have an emaily!
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 29, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
brillaint.
I’ll run on over have a look at that thing.
by gavia on Oct 29, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
garmin on cobbles
i’d make van summeren and maaskant co-captains- maaskant can learn a lot by watching someone like van summeren, how to lead a team on cobbles, how to minimise crash risks, etc. plus everyone will be watching maaskant at p-r, van summeren may just slip under the radar..
"well...you live in england so: you love the rain. loves the queen. hates cycling. based on mr bean had a tremendous amount of humour. all ride in a mini cooper. all getting drunk before the age of 12. getting drunk at least 3 times a day."- frinking, 7/9/09
by benrazor on Oct 28, 2009 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think saxo needs some more riders
im concerned that losing kroon and arvesen will deplete the depth far too much, and they havent filled that depth to the same level
by agl on Oct 28, 2009 10:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It will be a "down" year for them this year but down might be a relative term...
Just have to see how much the new recruits can do.
by Vlaanderen90 on Oct 29, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did they ever find more money?
After the loss of fraudulent IT sponsors’ cash?
Riis may just not be able to afford talented riders?
by MavicMoto on Oct 29, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IDK about the $$, but I'm also surprised to see no US riders on the team
next year. Not that it will affect my fandom, but just surprised.
by Ruthann on Oct 29, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess they are counting on the fact
that bobby julich is still involved, and haedo is fairly well known in high profile american stage races right? but i agree, now that you mention it, it is a little strange.
"well...you live in england so: you love the rain. loves the queen. hates cycling. based on mr bean had a tremendous amount of humour. all ride in a mini cooper. all getting drunk before the age of 12. getting drunk at least 3 times a day."- frinking, 7/9/09
by benrazor on Oct 29, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not CSC anymore, they're not as connected.
Formerly known in some circles as flying dog.
by Mark Frank on Oct 29, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone else thinking it's a blessing for Sky
if they don’t get a Tour GC contender this year?
Start-up season might be hard enough without going into July having to produce huge results. Maybe better to focus on building the base and recruiting good supportriders for the day a big name becomes available?
by Jens on Oct 29, 2009 5:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But if they stay on their English thing
That’s going to be a problem..
And Sky isn’t really strong. I hope for them they get some results, as VacansOleil, surprised, but I think they have to rely on Boasson HAGEN.
And some solid stages from always steady Gerrans
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 29, 2009 5:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lovkvist too...
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 29, 2009 6:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also solif for eeh what again?
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 29, 2009 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lots and lots of honorable Top 10's
and if he gets some sprinting speed from Santa Claus , maybe a win or two?
by Jens on Oct 29, 2009 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Santa,
We had a dream. To buy all the good English cyclists from the world. Now it’s ruined because they won’t let us too. Stupid people. We are now hoping for 3 riders so we actually can be a PT team. Only all the english cyclists are already having a contract. What do we do know? Are we just going to buy some non-English people? We could do that but we will ruin or changes. But dear Santa. There is one change! Can you let your gnomes and reindeers rob the Kazach government. They might let free Contador, who’s captured by those evil bastards! If Garmin but contador we could have Wiggens they said. Than our wish comes true! To have all the good English cyclist.
So Santa Claus. Can you make that happen.
Greetings Scott Sunderland
P.s. We owe the Sky Santa….
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 29, 2009 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
know=now but=buy
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 29, 2009 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WiggIns, with an 'I'! ;-)
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 29, 2009 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two I's
Formerly known in some circles as flying dog.
by Mark Frank on Oct 29, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was using
the Dutch spelling: Sentjens, Wiggens, etc.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Oct 29, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Santa will have to be quick about it
Have you heard the latest from Proskurin?
by Lou... on Oct 29, 2009 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eeh No.. That sounds like an obscure Russian
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 29, 2009 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that obscure, LOL
He’s Kaz Fed. We await word from the Accountant, of course… but if it’s all ‘hot air’, then Proskurin’s timing is a bit odd… Vino’s chances of leading the Tour team aren’t looking good.
by Lou... on Oct 29, 2009 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now I've read it..
And it was the most likely situation although Conta is still free to go if he wants. Only if he goes to QST or Gasrmin he’s going a step back in support way. GCE is the only team which would be a good step for him
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 29, 2009 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although GCE and the Tour?
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 29, 2009 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
And the man himself has been quoted as saying that a move to GCE wouldn’t be ‘straightforward’ (heh, no shit!).
I suspect we may not hear from the man himself until there is confirmation that the licence is OK. (a couple of weeks of peace before the chaos and uproar, LOL)
by Lou... on Oct 29, 2009 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still predicting
a tale ‘full of sound and fury signifying nothing’. Of course it wouldn’t be the first time I’ve let my mouth run away with me…
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Oct 29, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah i agree
he’ll be at astana fo sho next year. now i’ve said that he’ll end up at garmin
"well...you live in england so: you love the rain. loves the queen. hates cycling. based on mr bean had a tremendous amount of humour. all ride in a mini cooper. all getting drunk before the age of 12. getting drunk at least 3 times a day."- frinking, 7/9/09
by benrazor on Oct 29, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sort of a side point here, but the UCI changed the minimum number of riders
2.15.110 The number of riders in each UCI ProTeam may not be fewer than twenty-three (23).
—link
Max is still 28-30, depending on the number of neopros on the team.
by majope on Oct 29, 2009 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooh Thanx! That's always good to know!
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 29, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems pretty 'low' for a PT team
If they have to ride Giro + ToC = 18 riders. Not to much reserve
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 29, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well he did win Eroica...
Not a win machine like EBH, granted, but not a bad pick up nonetheless.
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 29, 2009 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Part of why I don't mind not seeing a big name for Sky this year
is that if TL is one of the guys they will be looking to for results in 2010 they might spend extra time and energy on tweaking his training and addressing his weak spots (attack acceleration and endurance/recovery)
It’s been hinted that he does insane volumes of training but not necessarily the right quality. Sunderland said something about hoping to refine his skills, I’m hoping that is what we will see for next season.
by Jens on Oct 29, 2009 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I read something similar about his training and I agree.
I don’t suppose that he was getting much time and love at Columbia as they had so many riders with so much potential and he maybe wasn’t such a priority. If Sky make him a project and really look to bring him on with some intelligent targetted training then he could finally blossom into something wonderful. This is what I’m hoping anyway. I like the guy alot.
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 29, 2009 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the guy a lot too!!!
I have heard the same about the training….but mostly his insane offseason regimen. I guess the weather in Sweden in the winter does not bother the young man. Does Sunderland have a history of bringing along young riders?
"If me and King Kong went into an alley, only one of us would come out. And it wouldn't be the monkey."
"I don't really trust a sane person."
"I never met a man I didn't want to fight." The one and only Lyle Alzado
by TRDean on Oct 29, 2009 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
I don’t think it is necessarily his job. They have great training/physio people at GB cycling and that could be a good resource. If anything i think Sunderland/Ljungkvist can have some input into how he approaches the onedayraces.
by Jens on Oct 29, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For who was this snark?
And OK, sure, if you’re a professional tifoso, sitting in a cafe in Utrecht hitting refresh on cyclinglinks.nl
And.. It wasn’t me (:
And.. It wasn’t me (:
Apparently there’s some history which is described in the comments and constitutes a permanent wedge between Hoogie and his former employer from his junior days. See what I mean about professional tifosi sitting in Utrecht cafes?
Yeah I admit the firts time I’ve read the text.. It was all old news
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 29, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
it’s not an actual person, but I suspect it resembles several real people.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Oct 29, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you suggesting Chris?
That Jens actually lives in Utrecht?
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 29, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused
Utrecht lies in Norway?
De FIETS en anders NIETS
by Lopex on Oct 29, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean to say
That when Utrecht visits Norway, it lies?
Weird.
by ursula on Oct 29, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
An interesting little snippet from Capodacqua
(over here if you read Italian) that Ivano Fanini’s Amore e Vita are claiming to have signed up cycling’s first sheikh as a sponsor. Does this mean that they see themselves as the new Manchester City?
by Monty. on Oct 29, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
it’s Jamie Farr with a beard.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Oct 29, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You people are heathens
Trying to sell me on that Shakespeare guy and you don’t even about this?
by Jens on Oct 29, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NSFI
warning: this link is not safe for your intelligence
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Oct 29, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll have you know
That movie was a bold, but some would say flawed, cinematic experiment trying to visualize the theories put forth in Wittgenstein’s Tractatus Logico Philosophicus.
by Jens on Oct 29, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pffft
just a cheap knock off of Death Race 2000
by Monty. on Oct 29, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hopefully not a new Portsmouth, anyway
by civetta on Oct 29, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
10% of all your bicycles belong to me
didn’t that happen to Nicole Cooke once before.
by Monty. on Oct 29, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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