Astana to World: Hands Off Our Man!
Kazakh Fed President Nikolai Proskurin:
“We have absolutely no problems with Alberto Contador, and he will compete with Astana next season... The issue is simply that we need to provide additional documents because we have changed our sponsors.”
Translation: Astana have declared Contador's contract valid and binding. Whether anyone else agrees is another matter, but Contador himself is starting to sound like he's preparing for another year with Astana, willingly or not. In AS.com today:
Alberto Contador said that among the options were "Garmin or Caisse d'Epargne, but also is Astana, with whom I still have a one year contract and it seems they are doing a new project that is taking shape."
This is a different tune than he had been singing, the one where he expected to leave if it was possible. Contador seems to be putting a brave face on about Astana, which suggests that his attorneys may have told him that the exit door is barred for now. There was some twitting about him being able to walk if Astana are denied a Tour invite, or if they have a doping positive, but neither of those contingencies is overly realistic. ASO will not lightly bar Astana if Contador is on the team (though they may block Vinokourov personally). And until there's a positive test, we shall assume the best about the blood content of Contador's teammates.
The scuttlebutt around Contador's landing spot pointed squarely at Garmin, and that may be the case whenever the Tour champion is free to choose a new team, no later than next fall. Right now though, the tea leaves are pointing back at the Baby Blues.
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Contador has his Tour invitation
I knew the AP story was bluster when I saw it this morning. Reuters followed hours later with Alberto’s statement. Apparently getting out of the contract isn’t as easy as we’ve been told. But it makes sense that Astana is getting more attractive. They’re assembling the team around him, instead of him being the new guy elsewhere. His buddy Noval re-upped. Apparently Contador suggested the de la Fuente deal. With no Team Time Trial he just needs help in the mountains. Having a bunch of guys who signed up with him in mind has to build confidence. Who knows how welcome he’d be at Garmin where guys have earned leadership roles? Alberto did say that he’s guaranteed an invitation to the Tour de France no matter which team he rides for.
AC is correct. He has a contract with Astana.
Until he exercises his right to terminate it. If he is waiting for an ironclad assurance that it can be broken, then he’ll be waiting throughout 2010. The only issue could be with law controlling the contract itself.
In any event, it looks like this will resolve itself before 1 December.
"then he’ll be waiting throughout 2010"
This sounds right to me. Not that I know anything…
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by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 29, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I bow to the lawyerly and...
until now Astana sounded like they could be bluffing, but they sound pretty serious now and very confident.
No horn, watch for finger.
Contador's manager
and brother Fran told Velo Mag. they would look to put an exit clause in an eventual Astana contract in the event that the team gets barred from the TDF.
Also, Contador is believed to still be very close to Vinokourov. It is possible, perhaps likely, that Astana has remained the leading candidate all along from Contador’s perspective. The kid understandably just wants to be sure he’s able to defend at the TDF.
I don’t for a minute believe that the delays have anything to do with the legality of his breaking the contract. Contador is in the driver’s seat and is looking for all the guarantees he can get.
Close to Vino
Pete-CF: You’re correct, Vino and Bert are very close. The way things are panning out with the new management structure and additional riders, Bert will stay. He probably wants only confirmation of Astana’s invite to the Tour.
Astana
are one of 16 teams pre-selected for the 2010 TDF based on a September, 2008 agreement. They are in even if they lose ProTour status. (Garmin, by contrast, isn’t one of the 16 pre-selected teams, ditto of course for any new ProTeams….though teams like Garmin, RadioShack and Sky are certain to be invited.) However, Tour organizer A.S.O. can bar the team for ethical reasons, thus Contador’s desire for an exit clause in any contract he signs.
rode together at liberty seguros in 2006
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
That's it?
By that logic, Bert and Lance are buddies, too! They rode together in 2008. I don’t follow. Is there more to it?
They became friends
when they rode together, presumably. I would imagine that the Accountant formed a friendship with Vino, and not with Lance, because he got along well with Vino and not with Lance.
I dunno, it all seems very straightforward to me… am I missing something?
pity... you should check out the 2006 paris-nice
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Can't remember P-N '06
2007 he won, that I remember; when he had that mishap on a descent and barely stayed on the bike.
My favorite Contador race
He just stormed that one.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 30, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
that was 2006, not 2007
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
yikes... they all blur together after awhile
i would have figured it out eventually when i got to watching the 2005 pn…. currently watching the 2004 giro….
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
IMHO
contractual terms often aren’t black-and-white matters, and this one sounds rife with intrigue. What does “meeting the UCI deadline” mean exactly? A postage stamp? A determination by all parties that every possible term of the UCI license has been met? Seems like plenty of room to argue. And in such situations, where neither side is likely to achieve an absolute victory in any short and simple way, the best solution may be a little negotiation, a sweetener or two in the current deal, and forget the whole argument.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 29, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions
possibly deal
use AC’s face on the Astana jersey’s for the Tour and Vino’s face for the Dauphiné
Moo
Right!
and a blank jersey for the classics.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 29, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It's actually pretty cut and dry.
Astana, by it’s own admission (even in this article), failed to submit the essential documents by the deadline (I don’t think Astana has at this point) of 20 October. The termination right is created when the team missed the deadline. No room for argument, especially when, as I noted above, Astana has admitted it didn’t satisfy the requirements.
I dunno
it’s undisputed they didn’t submit the right paperwork, but is that the criteria for breaking a contract? Or does there have to be a more fundamental flaw in the underlying bank guarantees? If it were a simple matter and Contador was freed, I don’t think he would be talking of “waiting for a resolution” and saying nice things about Astana.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 29, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
It’s that simple. See Art 2.15.139, which sets forth the standard provisions that are incorporated into ALL rider contracts. Article 8 relates to termination rights and a new provision (I think (f)) spells it out in black and white. Miss the filing, riders have a right to terminate without notice. It was designed as a stick to make the teams comply with the new re-certification process.
As for AC’s words, I think he’s looking at the reality that Astana will sue and tie him up in court, so if they can’t come to an amicable solution, then it may make more sense to ride out this year with Astana and start fresh with a new team and a clear road at the end of the 2010 season. But that’s just my guess.
Erm, so if it is "that simple"
why might he fear being sued? Doesn’t that rather support what Chris is saying?
Well, if you are an offshoot of the Kazakh government taking someone to court in a Kazakh court, I should imagine there isn't either.
But that was kind of my point in the first place.
But Contador was signed before that article was in place.
Are you sure ALL riders? Or just those signed since the new article was written?
UCI's interpretation is that it applies.
Art 2.15.111 (I believe) spells out that the standard contract provisions (2.15.139) are required to be in each rider’s contract. When they added the new provisions related to the re-certification process (first step of which was providing the essential documents by 20 October), they added this new provision as a stick to ensure compliance. The new regulation applied to existing licensees, so arguably the new provision applied to existing rider contracts (otherwise the new regs would be meaningless). Hopefully that makes sense.
I see two possibilities
1. AC doesn’t really want out of Astana as much as he’s allowed people to believe. Again, he and Vino go way back….and L’Equipe has reported on at least two occasions that the two have gotten together to talk since the TDF. I’m not sure the English-language media has picked up on this and Vino has for the most part been laying low lately. Their talking of course doesn’t necessarily mean anything.
2. He’s been advised, as MambaFan suggests, that exercising his right, as confirmed by the UCI, to break the contract would be contested and the whole thing would drag out and compromise his 2010 season.
One thing seems sure: Regardless of where he rides, he is determined to not see a repeat of 2008 when he wasn’t allowed to defend.
seems like
AC made some pretty blunt comments in summer about intending to leave. Perhaps he was still too bitter about the Lance/JB stuff to give serious consideration to Astana 3.0?
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by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 29, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That and Astana was a mess.
They had no real management in place, no plan, not much of anything but a lot of riders transferring out to Radio Shack. As AC would say, they didn’t seem “serious.” I think the steps they’ve taken over the last month or two have made them a more legitimate team—as you say Astana 3.0.
He has leverage now. Something he didn’t have prior to 20 October.
That is a good point.
He’s definitely in a stronger position and can make the leadership behave nicer if he needs to.
by Douglas Ansel on Oct 29, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I definitely think
he wanted out of the situation he was in. He didn’t know who to trust. But a lot seems to have changed at Astana. And AC seems to have learned some lessons and wants guarantees.
The Kazakhs have been saying since the beginning that Astana would pretty much be a Spanish team that would ride for AC. AC needed to see something concrete.
And lo and behold! A pretty decent team is forming.
I’ll be really interested in seeing how the new DS’s strategize and such, especially in the non-Contador races.
Non-Contador races? Those would be the Vino-races
so “Strategize” ? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahaha!………………………………………………..
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.
.
Bwahahahahahahahahaha!
Of course they have to strategize
they need to know who to send up the road once Vino gets caught after one of his daring yet pointless attacks.
Dammit Elk! I don't care if it's your mating season, you are disturbing my peaceful sleep! Just STFU!
Jens, Vino is a master tactician
(it’s just that the rest of the world doesn’t follow the script…)
that's a novel way to put it
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
I think Contador may be in trouble with this team.
What is he going to do in the pyrenees when teams start to work him over, there will be a lot of fire power if you consider that the Shack, Saxobank and Liquigas and even Garmin start attacking the yellow jersey. The names I’ve seen don’t suggest that Astana can control the race. It may be Paris-Nice all over again, remember he had no team mates to help cover attacks and he was on the world’s best team. Covering attacks alone is what made him bonk.
Formerly known in some circles as flying dog.
eh. there's no I
in a team apparently.
restated.
by Bruce Suomi on Oct 29, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay. I am trying to picture other teams working over Bert while going up a mountain.
Nope. Can’t do it. It doesn’t happen. Bert just climbs away from any riders when going uphill.
Paris-Nice? Bert bonked on the flats. What Contador needs are:
1) A couple of guys who can control things when the course is not going up. Guys like Bazayev, Muravyev, Grivko, Dyachenko, and Stangelj.
2) A couple of guys who hit the lower slopes of the mountains hard so that all pretenders are disposed of. De La Fuente, Hernandez, Navarro, and Noval.
Once the climbs get to the critical stage, Bert takes over.
You forgot Vino!
for the Vuelta at least?
Dammit Elk! I don't care if it's your mating season, you are disturbing my peaceful sleep! Just STFU!
As you know Vino is his own man.
I didn’t include him because I have no idea if he can resist attacking on his own. I also didn’t include Tiralongo either.
I’m just saying that Bert won;t get exposed by this Astana team that seems to be forming.
well put
judging by what we’ve seen so far, bert is more than capable of winning any race he enters, regardless of team..
"well...you live in england so: you love the rain. loves the queen. hates cycling. based on mr bean had a tremendous amount of humour. all ride in a mini cooper. all getting drunk before the age of 12. getting drunk at least 3 times a day."- frinking, 7/9/09
There were nine categorized climbs on Stage 7
“Paris-Nice? Bert bonked on the flats.”
The race is summarized at CN. Despite having Popovych, Paulinho, Zubeldia, Navarro, Noval, Dyachenko and Schar on his team he was alone with 40k to go. This new team doesn’t impress me as being any better than that. Bert’s best chance with his new team is to stay out of yellow until the final TT.
Formerly known in some circles as flying dog.
it was still a matter of him bonking and doing himself in, than others doing him in... he recovered well for stage 8
that team was useless to him the entire race
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
But Bert did bonk on the flats though
All the hills were well done when Bert went into reverse and those mountains behind him were less of a huge barrier to his teammates climbing abilities than showing that they were not in shape for a race like Paris-Nice. Bert had been pretty much on his own from the stage one.
We all saw in the Tour what a properly prepared Zubeldia can do as a helper and we saw in the Vuelta that Navarro can handle much bigger and tougher climbs than anything that paris-Nice throws at the riders.
Cat 2, cat 3, cat 3 in last 40k
So how much GT experience is there on Astana after Zubeldia? And why was Zubeldia trying to leave Astana for Radio Shack despite having a year left on his contract?
Cancellara was robbed! There is none better.
Thanks, chris
I vote for the “(obviously) not that simple” take on it. We’re only able to judge by what evidence we have access to, not the complete picture.
Proskurin's technically the deputy president
although he’s the one who actually runs things in practice. The actual president until recently was Danial Akhmetov, Prime Minister from 2003 to 2007, also known as The Terminator (and I wouldn’t even dare to ask why). He’s just stepped down, due to “ill health” and the most likely replacement is said to be one Kairat Kelymbetov, head of Samruk-Kazyna Holdings, who by coincidence are also the new sponsors of Team Astana. All terribly incestuous and also pretty high powered for the sport. I wonder if Pat considered the horse’s-head-in-the-bed aspect of freeing Bert from his contract.
I wonder if Pat considered the horse’s-head-in-the-bed aspect of freeing Bert from his contract.
seriously
I assumed this also may have been why Guus Hiddink couldn’t get out of his Russia contract
Moo
that
and the vast amount they paid him to stay
"well...you live in england so: you love the rain. loves the queen. hates cycling. based on mr bean had a tremendous amount of humour. all ride in a mini cooper. all getting drunk before the age of 12. getting drunk at least 3 times a day."- frinking, 7/9/09
I am afraid to ask
how you know this…
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by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 29, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you sleep better at night
if I told you?
no fricking way
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by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 29, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Will they take it to the Hague?
"As you can imagine, there are better places to have your birthday party than in some village called Mushny Mush Mishme." --The Wisdom of Jens
Oh dear
I think that we must at least countenance the idea that the Accountant may see Astana as the best option at the moment, despite having been given an ‘out’. Arguments in support of this are numerous, and have been stated many times in recent weeks.
(And for the record, I am not entirely sure about how I feel about him staying there. And the Accountant’s welfare has nothing to do with that. I am one of the few who do not see Astana as villains. I am a bit of a fan of the ‘old’ Astana, and the new non-USPS/Disco Astana).
Urgh… someone wake me when we hear the important news (that would be confirmation of Astana’s licence)
For sure that would've been the decider
… had my fondness for the team not significantly pre-dated his signing ;-). My affection had been put to sleep for a while, with the gatecrashers…
James Raia (SF Examiner) is reporting....
Team transfer rumor: Contador to Garmin, Wiggins to Sky in mega-million dollar buyout negotiation?
“Astana says its two-time Tour de France winner Alberto Contador will stay with the team for another year. That’s the word from an official with the Kazah Cycling Federation.
Contador says the deal isn’t done yet, despite the one year remaining on his contract, which also seems to have a legitimate loophole.
But there’s another prevailing rumor, and here it is:
How about Garmin-Slipstream releasing Bradley Wiggins from his contract, so he ride for Sky, the soon-to-debut Britain-based outfit?
And then about Sky working out a deal with Slipstream for Wiggins’ services and well as helping buying out Contador’s contract with Astana?
That would make for what would could be a strong four-team (or more) Tour de France contest:
Sky with Wiggins; Garmin-Slipstream with Contador, Saxo-Bank with Andy Schleck, RadioShack with Lance Armstrong and maybe Lotto if Cadel Evans can get back his Tour de France mojo and Denis Menchov at Rabobank?"
He’s just making it up… Same way we all do.
by ManBicycleThing on Oct 29, 2009 5:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey!
I don’t make stuff up, I regurgitate it.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 29, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Raia too
Cause that sounds pretty much like last months rumour.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Oct 29, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you say, "Slow news day."
“Shit. I know, I’ll go get the Inside Scoop over at Podium Cafe!”
by ManBicycleThing on Oct 29, 2009 6:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And Basso? You know that guy of Liqui.. It's an competetor for the TdF Monsieur Raja
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
The only thing Basso will win is honorable mention for trying hard.
And only because he smiles so much.
by Douglas Ansel on Oct 29, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Well.. Kreuziger. Nibali and Basso
It seems like a srong stronghold
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
Aye
The young guns will steal the show. I’m predicting both top ten, Nibali in 5th. Basso relegated to trying to win the Vuelta Ullrich-style, but without a blistering time trial.
by Douglas Ansel on Oct 29, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
This one is so my fave. It has so many moving parts. Everyone knows the best rumors have lots of moving parts.
My favorite rumor
has Contador to Garmin, Wiggins to Sky, Boasson Hagen to Astana, Vino to Columbia, Cavendish to Caisse d’Epargne, Valverde to Lampre, and Cunego to the Shack, all as part of a coordinated move. Only Cunego and Lance won’t get along, and everyone will have to shift back, due to a clause in their contract that hinges their move on all the other moves working out.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 29, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Valverde won't agree to Lampre unless he can stay completely out of Italy.
Formerly known in some circles as flying dog.
Sure
Sicily.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 29, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Deep pockets
The Astanas must have come up with one hell of a counter-offer. Buckets of Euros, that’s what I’m saying.
You got all the tenge
honey-baby I could stand…
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 29, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
In the battle of oil vs. cool GPS devices
er, I don’t think I like how that turns out…
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 29, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Truly
When it’s crunch time, the Kazakhs seem to reach into the bottomless sack of cash and get their way. Which is why, I was so very skeptical of the he’s free, he’s free headlines. Er, maybe.
Astana
can literally print money, no? Which makes the salary problems from last year so strange.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Oct 29, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
That salary thing
It was odd, the salary thing, because once journos started asking riders specifically if they were receiving payment, they all said yes. So, who wasn’t getting paid? I was always a bit confused by this. But there again, when the UCI started putting the pressure on, the Kazakhs threw down the big check.
Kazakh's Finances Aren't As Great As Everyone Thinks
This is from an article that came out in February of 2009:
Kazakhstan’s economy is in trouble due to problems with its massively indebted financial system. The crisis opens up an opportunity for President Nursultan Nazarbayev to further strengthen his already-firm hold on the country’s economy. It also creates an opportunity for the Kremlin to swoop in given Russia’s financial means, greatly enhancing Moscow’s sway over Kazakhstan, the most strategic and powerful state of the Central Asian countries.
The financial situation in Kazakhstan has deteriorated rapidly due to the extreme indebtedness of its banking sector to foreign lenders caused by a massive expansion of the sector, which has grown at nearly 50 percent annually since 2000. The total assets of Kazakh banks have grown from the equivalent of around 5 percent of Kazakhstan’s gross domestic product (GDP) in 1998 to more than 75 percent in 2008. The latter figure is an astronomical number when compared, for example, to the 55 percent bank asset-to-GDP ratio of Russia, the 85 percent ratio of the U.S., the 130 percent ratio of the Czech Republic and the 95 percent ratio for the eurozone’s newest member, Slovakia.
Relative to the size of its economy, in an extremely brief period Kazakhstan’s banking sector has expanded to the size of the Central European and U.S. banking sectors. But unlike the United States and Central European countries, Kazakhstan lacks the experience to manage its banking sector. Only around 7 percent of the Kazakh banking sector is foreign-owned. While that may have its advantages — in Central Europe, foreign-owned banks were most aggressive in using foreign currency-denominated loans, leading to massive problems in their own right — it also has meant that the Kazakhs had to learn banking on their own. And Kazakhstan’s timing was unfortunate: It was working to build a banking system from scratch during the worldwide flood of credit that since 2001 has inundated emerging markets with cash — certainly not an auspicious time to develop good habits on managing a nascent banking system.
http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20090203_kazakhstan_economic_crisis_and_opportunities
And I recently saw an article (can’t find it at the moment) mentioning that they’ve been busy restructuring all of their debt, to give themselves some relief, but in essence kick the can down the road. In short, these problems could all return in short order.
Er, right
But a cycling team, this thingy is like 12 mil euro tops, and probably less. Small change, relative to a national budget, even a troubled one.
Maybe.
My point was that Kazakhstan can’t just print money. If they are servicing a ton of debt, those creditors get paid first.
Not my specialty.
Have some real world knowledge with debt covenants and priority of cash flow, especially sub-prime/junk bonds. Just throwing out information to give context to the situation.
Though that last paragraph you quoted
strikes me more as opinion than information. But maybe that’s politics… ;-)
Maybe Johan was right
Contador’s “problem” is that he is used to a salary ending in 000000s.
CSE (etc) – would love to but….
Seems only Astana willing to pay the current “asking” price, I’d wager, in the current market.
so what is the current asking price on your wager in this market?
eh?
Wenatchee Wonder FTW
by dees ees en drama on Oct 29, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
In an article today
about Alberto receiving the Ictus Prize, he is described as “recently arrived from America.”
On the cover of Vélo Magazine,
where he is pictured as winner of the Vélo d’Or, Contador says that Armstrong has made him popular.

Obviously that's what the mag wanted to stick on the front
but for those who’ve been arguing “Contador is humble” I think that ups the ante somewhat…
Bert is very clear that he's the best climber
You’ve been reading that Bert is humble? Ha. He’s an alpha male, same as Lance.
oh deart where to begin ;-)
I’m not saying for a second that Contador claims he’s humble, nor that I think he is (indeed, I rather intended my post to suggest the opposite ;-) ) but it’s certainly been argued on his behalf a few times round here…
Saying that "Armstrong made me popular" is a bit humbling though isn't it?
the stare on the other hand…not so much.
Dammit Elk! I don't care if it's your mating season, you are disturbing my peaceful sleep! Just STFU!

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