The Wednesday Session
Welcome to the Wednesday Session. This week, the Sesh shows up on Pretend Wednesday as opposed to the Day Actually Known As Wednesday. Reality is so over-rated.
I promise it wasn’t my fault. I received an urgent call: Yes, this is Gav. What? But I have to write today, it’s Wednesday. I have to write the Wednesday Session. What? 15 feet? You’re joking. You’re not joking? Uh, I’ll be right there. The buoys said I had to go. Who am I to argue?
But I have not forgotten the Sesh, no indeed. This week, we have Mountains in Italy, Grumpy Old Men, Stupid Cobbles, a Liar, and a Fainting Couch. What could possibly go wrong?
We begin in Italy today where next year’s Giro d’Italia course is now official. Unless you’ve been stuck under a rock or living underwater with the fishes in sea, you know that next year’s Giro starts with three stages in the Netherlands, before returning home to romp around Italy. Orange and pink, I quake at the potential for fashion disaster. Just remember, Prosecco before beer, in the clear. The Giro offers a climber-friendly course this time around and includes visits to the Terminillo, Zoncolan, Plan de Corones, Mortirolo, Gavia, and other assorted uphill curiosities. Though there are four time trials, which sounds like lots, they are all short, and one goes uphill. For the climbers, rejoicing all around. Carlos Sastre, who is waiting for the Vuelta a España course announcement before committing, commented that he likes the looks of this Giro course very much and is leaning toward spending May in Italy. Really, there’s nothing not to like about this course for the zippy little climber dudes.
But the Grumpy Old Men are not amused. Both Felice Gimondi and Francesco Moser think the Giro has gone too mountain mad. In my day, we had to train in the snow. Grumble, grumble. Gimondi says that the course penalizes the crono specialists too heavily and privileges the climbers. Gimondi also does not like the rest day before the time trial on the Plan de Corones. In my day, we raced without rest days. Hmph, kids these days, grumble, grumble. The ex-World Champion, who is the only living Italian to have won the Tour de France, thinks that the Giro riders should have to contest the final week’s mountains without a rest day. Only then would the strongest rider emerge. Moser is also among the critics. This Giro, it has too many mountains, he says. Grumble, grumble. And it’s too hard. Grumble, grumble. In my day, we had time trials, and helicopters to draft us so none of those smelly foreigners could win. Grumble, grumble.
On the subject of the Giro, Damiano Cunego is so totally over the Pink Jersey. Been there, done that, nailed it shut. Next year, the tiny Italian is turning stage chaser and is hoping to match his performance at this year’s Vuelta a España, where he won two stages in the high mountains. In an interview following the Giro presentation, Cunego dismissed the general classification battle as far, far too stressful. The new Lampre bus will include a fainting couch for when the team leader is overcome. Don’t forget to pack the smelling salts. The Lampre rider likes the looks of the stage finishing on the Terminillo and the Plan de Corones time trial. No doubt Franco Pellizotti will have something to say about the Corones. Cunego has yet to detail his other plans for the year, though it seems likely that the Ardennes races will again figure high on his list of ambitions. Sadly, no further word has surfaced on the transfer of Gilberto Simoni to Lampre. The most recent news had Simoni joining Astana, which will likely earn him more cash, but is way less funny.
Alessandro Ballan, meanwhile, has left Lampre for BMC, and he will ride his first ever Giro d’Italia next season. That’s right, after seven years as a pro and an Italian pro at that, Ballan will start his first Giro next season. Ballan is hoping for a stage win, and should enjoy the jaunt to Montalcino, which passes over gravel roads in homage to the Eroica classic.
It seems that Matteo Priamo was less than honest with the doping police when they came to inquire about his activities. Who is Priamo, you are asking? He’s the dude who allegedly provided the CERA that made Emanuele Sella climb really really fast, and then got him busted. Sella named Priamo as his dealer, but Priamo claimed that he could not possibly have given Sella the goods, because he was not at home at the time. Surveillance tapes collected in the Via col Doping investigation, run by a cycling-loving prosecutor in Padova, reveals that Priamo was not where he said he was. Or rather, he was where he said he wasn’t. If the evidence proves solid, Priamo is now in deeper doo-doo than he was when he was just a dope dealer. Liar, liar pants on fire. Prosecutors, so not down with the perjury. If they prove their case, Priamo could serve up to three years in prison. Let that be a lesson to you kids. Don't chop down the cherry tree.
Enrico Lazarro, meanwhile, the doctor also implicated in the Via col Doping affair, has been placed under house arrest after surveillance showed him giving doping products to athletes. Matteo Priamo, Davide Rebellin, and Andrea Moletta were allegedly among his customers. According to information from the investigation, Lazarro’s House Specialty involved extracting small amounts of blood, adding ozone gas to the sample, then returning the ozone-ated (is this a word? I think I make it one) blood to the athlete. Apparently, this practice improves the oxygen-carrying capacity of the blood cells without altering hematocrit or hemoglobin levels. Is there biologist in the house? Really, I have no idea how this works. Anyway, the practice is undetectable by existing doping controls, natch, and Lazarro now appears to be in all kinds of trouble. Don’t mess with the cycling-loving prosecutor, obviously.
Cobbles are stupid. At least, that’s what Andy Schleck said in reaction to the inclusion of several kilometers of cobbles in next year’s Tour de France. "It is a terrain where one can not win the Tour, but where one can certainly lose it," he said. "This makes no sense. It appears to me ridiculous." All the same, Andy plans to man up and race the Ronde van Vlaanderen. It’ll be a rough ride for the little dude, who doesn’t really have the ballast for cobbled roads. Which do you think weighs more, Andy Shleck or Fabian Cancellara’s right buttock?
Rumor has it that the Vuelta a España will journey into the Asturias mountains next year. The Lagos de Cavodonga and the Alto de la Cobertoria are among the passes rumored to be included in the still un-announced course. I really have nothing funny to say about this. I do think December is a rather long time to wait. But nobody asked me.
To no one’s surprise, Serge Pauwels has left his former team Cervélo TestTeam. Pauwels will ride for Team Sky next season. No doubt Pauwels will be hoping that his new team will not pull him back from the winning break during a grand tour stage. During last year’s Giro, Pauwels was in a two-up break with local boy Leonardo Bertagnoli, when he received the call from the team car to drop back, a call which cost him the stage victory and did little to influence the general classification position of team captain Carlos Sastre. It wouldn’t be surprising if Pauwels decided to leave the team right then and there. Anyway, Pauwels will move on to Sky. In somewhat related news, Michael Barry, Chris Sutton, and David Viganò are also confirmed for Team Sky as of this week. No word on Lucy or the diamonds.
From the unwanted guests file, Riccardo Riccò will return to racing in time for Milano-Sanremo next season. The Cobra, or perhaps the now de-fanged Cobra, will return in the colors of Ceramica Flaminia, who hopes to receive a wildcard invite to the major Italian races. In a confusing turn of events, the UCI decided to shorten Riccò’s ban after they previously lengthened it. Yes, this story is running in circles. Originally, the UCI overturned the CONI decision in relation to Riccò in favor of the two year ban thrown down by the French Federation, who also opened a case against the Italian climber, since his doping offense took place in France. To complicate matters, Riccò had provided information on the case to the Italian authorities, but the UCI did not receive that information. Two cases, two bans, one rider. Now, it seems, the UCI has received the information from Italy, and the short ban is back. Short bus also sold separately.
We also learned this week that Johan Bruyneel does not like Alberto Contador. In other news, the sky is blue, espresso is good, and chocolate is better. Like we needed another interview from old Bruny on this one. Right, we get it, he’s immature, makes too much money, and he’s not Lance. Next question? Moving right along, it appears that Contador will stay with the newly re-organized Astana, unless he transfers to Caisse d’Epargne or Garmin-Slipstream. Since Astana looks prepared to spend buckets of euros to keep the Spanish Tour winner, I’d put my money on the Kazakhs. The grand finale of this drama is expected next week, but I wouldn't bet on it. The fat lady is still lounging on her fainting couch, and can't possibly be bothered with singing just now.
And that, my friends, is all the Session you get this week. But don’t worry, we’ll do it again next week. Maybe, we’ll even get crazy and do it on Actual Wednesday as opposed to Pretend Wednesday. I do fear that The Wednesday Session on Actual Wednesday might cause the cosmos to crack. I would not want to be responsible for such an eventuality.
See you next time!
~Gav.
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I'm so going to have to read all the posts I've missed this week
to figure out this whole fainting couch thing.
Once again, the Wed/Thurs Sesh is as entertaining as it is informative.
by Katiek on Oct 29, 2009 11:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I made it up
I figured since the dood was all nervous about getting in a flutter about the gc, they’d better have a fainting couch ready and waiting.
by gavia on Oct 30, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was confoosed too. I thought it was the couch that was going to faint, improbable though that may be.
All is now claro though ;)
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 30, 2009 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it's like a fainting goat
only quieter.
by Katiek on Oct 30, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
'Fainting couch' is one of the best phrases you've come up with
And you’ve come up witha lot.
I also like Friday as the new wednesday. Does that mean Tuesday is the new Sunday, so I can stay home from work?
I mean uh... hasn't that ever occurred to you, man? Sir?
by Drew... on Oct 30, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boss says
If you don’t come in Tuesday you can stay home Wednesday.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Oct 30, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WooHoo! 5 day weekend!
I mean uh... hasn't that ever occurred to you, man? Sir?
by Drew... on Oct 30, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
I won’t be held responsible for the real world application of day mixing.
by gavia on Oct 30, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes one wonder,
if somewhere there is a group locked up in a think tank working on that very application…..
by Veloki on Oct 30, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
with white boards
and wacked out equations scribbled all over the place.
by gavia on Oct 30, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now I've seen everything
“Drew” and “thinktank” mentioned in the same thread
by Jens on Oct 30, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You got 15 feet huh? I only got 3 feet....of snow!
and was stuck in my home the entire day yesterday and today(grumble..grumble…grumble)
Dammit Elk! I don't care if it's your mating season, you are disturbing my peaceful sleep! Just STFU!
by Phil H. on Oct 29, 2009 11:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
only 3-4 inches here in Behind the Zion Curtain,
but Colorado got hammered… I’m intrigued to see cross in the snow….
by Fred Marx on Oct 29, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's supposed to get nice the next few days, so the snow may have melted by then
but I’m not looking forward to shoveling the heap of snow off of the deck tomorrow.
Dammit Elk! I don't care if it's your mating season, you are disturbing my peaceful sleep! Just STFU!
by Phil H. on Oct 30, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Snow? Sheesh, it's still 20C here in not so sunny London.
Pity about the forecast of torrential rain and wind for the weekend. There goes my bike ride again.
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 30, 2009 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everything should be nice and muddy
Look for Tim Johnson to have a big day.
I mean uh... hasn't that ever occurred to you, man? Sir?
by Drew... on Oct 30, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
15 feet is worthless with out pictorial proof....
by Fred Marx on Oct 29, 2009 11:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I cheated a little
15 ft was the buoy reading at Point Conception. Still, it has been a truly enjoyable five days or so.
I blame el Niño for any and all missed deadlines.
by gavia on Oct 30, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be better if you could at least let us know what the peak period was like
Just so I can cry into my hot chocolate even more.
Also, a description of the rigs surfed would be appreciated.
When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.
by tehGrindCrusher on Oct 30, 2009 5:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally
I would cry if I saw a 15 foot wave coming at me.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Oct 30, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
It was actually just a big ol’ windswell, and a bit sloppy at that. Fun, but sloppy. Mostly shortboarders out – not so easy for the longboards to make it through the funk.
The short period meant that it showed on the beach much smaller than on the buoys. Just over head high on the sets, where I was.
by gavia on Oct 30, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gav, are you blaming a Spaniard for tardiness?
I mean uh... hasn't that ever occurred to you, man? Sir?
by Drew... on Oct 30, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Truly inspired Gav.
Two years ago, I’d say Cance’s right buttock, but he’s lost a good bit of weight.
No horn, watch for finger.
by sminer on Oct 29, 2009 11:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, yes
You do have a point there. He has been looking slimmer.
Who’s got the gram scale? Let’s settle this thing.
by gavia on Oct 30, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you weight one buttock when it is attached to its owner...?
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 30, 2009 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking it would take a great deal of experimentation.
Possibly weeks.
by majope on Oct 30, 2009 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Must be a very skilled job...who would be up to it?
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 30, 2009 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think about that... ;(
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Oct 30, 2009 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Er....
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 30, 2009 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A TRO is imminent............
I mean uh... hasn't that ever occurred to you, man? Sir?
by Drew... on Oct 30, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
snort
"well...you live in england so: you love the rain. loves the queen. hates cycling. based on mr bean had a tremendous amount of humour. all ride in a mini cooper. all getting drunk before the age of 12. getting drunk at least 3 times a day."- frinking, 7/9/09
by benrazor on Oct 30, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lovely stuff, Gav.
Prosecco before beer, in the clear
Does the rest of that go “Beer before prosecco, you’ll likely kill a ’becco”? Because if it did, it would explain a lot.
by majope on Oct 30, 2009 12:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oooh, it would explain quite a lot
Maybe someone should try it and find out?
Gav <—- Not volunteering.
by gavia on Oct 30, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me...
Or did we only get an informal indication that BMC will be at the Giro. Last I can remember hearing about BMC, they were only hoping for an invite to the Giro or the Vuelta. And now Ballan is there and apparently riding the Giro…. hmm.
Or I could have missed something. Probably because the beer came before prosecco.
by dansel on Oct 30, 2009 12:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nothing formal yet
for BMC, but Ballan is very certain sounding that he will be there, and they invited him to the presentation thingy. I think it’s a done dealio.
Be very careful with the Prosecco.
by gavia on Oct 30, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BMC will be at the Tour of CA. Hincapie has confirmed it.
So BMC will be doing a continental split.
by ZoeRochelle on Oct 30, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense
I would have been surprised if they skipped the Tour of Cali.
by gavia on Oct 30, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well from what I have heard they are just coming back to America for a couple major races and then the rest is Europe
because John Murphy from OUCH signed with them and he said that it is mostly Europe with Cali, Missouri and Philly probably with a whole team
by Vlaanderen90 on Oct 30, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is a defanged cobra really...
but a hyped up ratsnake?
by dansel on Oct 30, 2009 12:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
heh
I smell a new nickname. Yessss, ratsnake. We’ll have to give that one a test drive, won’t we.
by gavia on Oct 30, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no way in hell this guy is a cobra...

by dansel on Oct 30, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it me or does he look a little like...

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Oct 30, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the...?
I’ve stared…blinked…rubbed my eyes…and stared some more…his hat really does say “Hello! Spank”. How do you NOT get your butt kicked walking around like that?
In other news: Thanks, Gav. Informative as usual.
"My facking goat didn’t wear Robes! Does he look Scottisch?!" Baron von Frinkenstein
by itswells on Oct 30, 2009 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only other possibility I see
is that it might say “Jello! Spank”, which has got to be much, much worse. Oh Ricardo, it’s time to let your mother stop dressing you like a kid…
by dansel on Oct 30, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that safe for work?!
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 30, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
I mean, if browsing a cycling website is ;)
(but yeah, no funny pics or language)
by tedvdw on Oct 30, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Browsing a cycling website probably isn't...but what the heck!
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 30, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In snake related news, I nearly ran over one when out riding at the weekend.
I mean, a snake, on the road, in Britain?! It might have been dead I think, but it still nearly made me fall off in shock.
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 30, 2009 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used to be terrified of adders,
back when I was around 10 and we walked around in fern fields in the Lake District. I remember the trail signs. A most illogical fear, of course, and not very helpful for the fragile mind to put those signs up, I think.
by tedvdw on Oct 30, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking signs and location are important here...
Most snakes in Oz are really not nice… and they can do more than frighten you, so signage, whilst a bit disturbing, is also useful. Just so you know, I’m terrified of them ;)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Oct 30, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
Was referring to that situation specifically: the European adder is not very venomous nor aggressive.
by tedvdw on Oct 30, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Snakes are pretty common out mountain biking here. Once ran over one, and it somehow flew through the air and nearly hit my friend. She was a tad alarmed.
by gavia on Oct 30, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes, that's terrifying. I think I'd have done my best girly scream if that had happened to me!
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 30, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your friend?
or the snake?
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Oct 30, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently someone retested the amples of the Tour 2008 commisioned by the attorney of Padua.
There were 6 or 7 samples positive.
Now the speculation. Who are they oing to be?
Sella, Ricco, Di Luca, Bailiani, Bosisio and Piepoli
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 30, 2009 7:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh oh - here we go again
death by newspaper leak… Although oddly, if it was those six, it would be sort of comforting
by addict on Oct 30, 2009 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be!
Just let’s hope there isn’t another top guy positive.
btw source:
Gazzetta dello Sport.
Wieleflits
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 30, 2009 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
top 10. Learn to type!
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 30, 2009 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet three or four are from CSF
Sella, Pozzovivo, Baliani, Perez Cuapio and pretty much the whole team were riding way over their levels.
Contador should be fine. I have serious doubts about him in general but his Giro performance passed the eye test. Also, Piepoli was much weaker in the Giro than he was in the Tour, so I don’t think it’s him.
Just hope it’s not Pellizotti or Bruseghin. Two of the very few Italians I genuinely root for.
by Mr 60 Percent on Oct 30, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gah, indeed, please not Pellizotti!
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 30, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get at least 11 riders on the start list who've either tested pos elsewhere
or been suspended for irregular blood values:
Danilo Di Luca
Gabriele Bosisio
Christian Pfannberger
Emanuele Sella
Inigo Landaluze
Davide Rebellin
Riccardo Ricco
Leonardo Piepoli
Igor Astarloa
Paolo Bossoni
Antonio Colom
So there’s a chance none of these are new cases.
by majope on Oct 30, 2009 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering....
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 30, 2009 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guessing that it's no one new
It’s apparently seven riders from the 2008 Giro. But yes, given just how many riders from that Giro have already been nailed, I’m not expecting any real surprises off this one.
Gazzetta did the original reporting on this story, by the way.
by gavia on Oct 30, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tour? or giro?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Oct 30, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ignore, majope took care of that above
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Oct 30, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And GW is goin to be 250km long!
It’s now exactly place between PR and the RvV on a sunday. Lot’s of cobbles but the finish, with the kemmelberg stays unchanged. Sporza.be sportwereld.be, any othe Dutch thing
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 30, 2009 7:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Love the length addition
But I wish they would make changes to the last 30 km. A lot of flat roads with no cobbles makes meh tv.
I’m sure they’ll find other cobbles for the middle parts of the new course. But they need to add some after the Kemmelberg. Another cobbled climb would be great but it might be too much to ask near Wevelgem.
by Mr 60 Percent on Oct 30, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They better add a bunch more hills because the last 30k or whatever is boring
by Vlaanderen90 on Oct 30, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are there any hills near Wevelgem to use?
I’ve never been there but I know Wevelgem is just across the border from Roubaix — where I have been, and where there is nothing resembling a hill in sight.
They should be able to find some nasty cobbles though.
by Mr 60 Percent on Oct 30, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
It’s not in the Flemish Ardennes, so forget all the usual suspects.
Anyway, I will spend 4000 words next spring explaining why this race has to remain the way it is.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Oct 30, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They could find cobbles but the way they run the course essentially negates them from getting new hills in
because the Kemmelberg is to the west of Wevelgem which is away from the Ardennes. So unless they cut down to Oudenaarde from Gent and get in a bunch of the climbs around there and then go the Kemmelberg from there and then climbs that twice.
It is not going to hilly unless they get creative with the route and it will have that flat run in. They better find the gnarliest cobbles this side of Roubaix to make up for it otherwise it will be hard to grow in prestige. It is easy to make a race longer but they gotta have a course to back it up
by Vlaanderen90 on Oct 30, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is talk of
the Catsberg / Katsberg and the climb to Kassel / Cassel, both just over the border into France.
by tedvdw on Oct 30, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Katsberg? Isn't that the face of the Giro?
by Jens on Oct 30, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah I see...
Yeah I inspected the google map and there are a few in France like Mont Noir which is about 8 k from the Kemmelberg. Goes up to about 14-15%
by Vlaanderen90 on Oct 30, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
UCI issued a response to AFLD’s criticism today. It’s a 12-paged thing that they link to here, and it’s lovely in its snarkiness.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Oct 30, 2009 7:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Impressed.
Very impressed. And I’ve not finished reading the first page yet. The author will be welcome on the team, when I am Dictator…
by Lou... on Oct 30, 2009 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bitch slapped is right
I may read this entire thing for pure enjoyment…
by dansel on Oct 30, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The snarkiness almost disguises that it accepts, or fails to refute, many of the major complaints
For example, Astana were allowed an extre 35 minutes after they asked for it.
by William H on Oct 30, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It says the riders were still asleep because of a transfer delay the night before.
On the basis that the riders could not be informed of their presence, the UCI DCO and AFLD doctor agreed to delay the waking of the riders for 35 minutes. The Astana staff continued to sit with the testing team during this period.
The riders were not informed of the presence of testing staff before their actual notification to attend doping control. The time limit between notification and doping
control was ten minutes only, as is the case for all teams tested in the morning
by majope on Oct 30, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Astana told them that, anyway.
I guess Astana are such upstanding people that you can take their word for it.
There certainly seem to have been no meaningful attempts to stop riders taking advantage of the delay
by William H on Oct 30, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The Astana staff continued to sit with the testing team during this period."
You think they wouldn’t notice whether one of them snuck upstairs to wake up the riders?
The UCI did address that particular complaint. Whether or not you believe them is another issue entirely.
by majope on Oct 30, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a meaningless precaution
The idea that the astana staff and the doctors could sit around drinking coffee for 35 minutes without the riders – who could well have been woken before the astana staff started talking to the officials – finding out about it seems pretty incredible.
by William H on Oct 30, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they could always send a text to someone.
by ant1 on Oct 30, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just me but
I like the idea that someone said “let the poor bastards sleep” and the UCI listened. They are humans after all. You can try to read intrigue into it, but my instinct is telling me to go with the simpler explanation.
Anyway what can you do in 30 minutes nowadays? Back when they just tested heamtocrit and you had to be under 50%, I suppose you could chug water, and going back further you could swap samples. But is this the case anymore? Could you take a masking agent in that time?
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Oct 30, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like you, I think it might be terribly undramatic
but the fact remains that the protocols are in place because tampering and masking are possible. The only way for the system to work is if the same routines apply for everyone.
This stuff is just as damning as when the labs fail to follow the testing protocols casting doubt on the positive tests.
by Jens on Oct 30, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
You could conceivably manipulate your levels in 30 minutes. That’s why the protocol exists in the first place.
Also, what Jens said.
by gavia on Oct 30, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking Chris is just baiting us to post a pic of the Whizzinator?
by Jens on Oct 30, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you don't have the guts...
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Oct 30, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have no idea what could or couldn’t be done, i was just saying that just because they were sitting with the tester doesn’t mean they couldn’t somehow alert someone.
and based on all the accusations of errors and bad protocols i’ve heard levied against them, i have no doubt the UCI testers are human.
by ant1 on Oct 30, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm probably about to sound ridiculous given the fact that are always doping stories from GT's
However, given the degree of scrutiny Astana knew they were under, is it likely that they needed ‘to take advantage of the delay’?
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Oct 30, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Contador and Armstrong were getting tested almost every day, probably Kloden too. Even if they were dirty, they would have a regular procedure for dealing with the testers. Asking for and receiving an extra 35 minutes one day wouldn’t make a difference.
by Mr 60 Percent on Oct 30, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doping Related Question
but for once no cyclists involved. This article talks about a Canadian doctor who encountered some legal issues. One part of the article discusses a “PRP” procedure:
In layman’s terms, platelet-rich plasma therapy involves spinning a patient’s own blood in a centrifuge, and red platelets – about four times the normal concentration – are injected back into the patient’s muscle. It is believed this method speeds healing
To a cycling fan who knows nothing about medicine, (me) this sounds a lot like the blood doping I read about. But the athelete involved isn’t competing now, and won’t compete for a number of months, so he’s not doing it for a competitive advantage. Is this a recognized treatment plan for muscle tears, and is this also the same sort of blood diping we read about? If so, could a cyclist get a TUE for it similar to everyone’s asthma medicine?
by Katiek on Oct 30, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This method is used by footballers.
So probaby legal
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 30, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys in American Football and Basketball have used this before.
Cyclists couldn’t get a TUE for it since it is just like blood doping.
by Vlaanderen90 on Oct 30, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference between blood-spinning and doping is one of time
Blood doping involves taking blood out, waiting for the body to naturally (or with the aid of EPO) to replenish it, then putting the removed blood back maybe up to a year later. Spinning is meant to be a much shorter term thing. A quantity of blood is taken out, spun in a centrifuge to give a concentrated dose of the bit you want (usually the bits that help with cell repair, rather than the oxygen carrying bits, although I guess that those too are somehow reintroduced if any largish quantity of blood is drawn) then injecting that dose into an injured area to speed up repair. Things get a little greyer if the doctors start to add other stuff to the cure dose. This article is a nice clear summary.
by Monty. on Oct 31, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's an interesting little snippet
Sweden’s second-best women’s rider, Susanne Ljunkskog, overshadowed by Emma Johansson recently, and yound Danish hopeful Trine Schmidt have signed up for next season with South African team MTN Energade, in what is otherwise an all RSA squad. Ciska Austin who DSed the rival Toyota team during a recent European tour wanted to see the national squad take part in more top level races, so this could well be the start of a regular South African presence in European races. Either that or they just want to kick some serious ass back at home.
by Monty. on Oct 31, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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