Cadel Evans leaves *Lotto
by TheFigurehead on Oct 31, 2009 5:11 PM EDT
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Cyclingnews says so, as well as Cycling Weekly on twitter. Nothing from himself at this point, as far as I know, but the team have a statement on their site.
World champion Cadel Evans has decided to invoke the clause of the mutual agreement which provides him the possibility to ride the next seasons on behalf of another team. After five successful years, including two podium places in the Tour de France and the recent victory in Mendrisio, Cadel has decided to take advantage of his increased market value and to look for new challenges.
Silence-Lotto is proud of the progress Cadel made in our team - from a rough time to the absolute world top in five years time, also thanks to the professional entourage and the good teamwork - and wishes him all the best for his further career. Success in your beautiful rainbow jersey !
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Wait.
Was I supposed to see this coming? I mean, it makes every kind of sense, but still . . .
by Sui Juris on Oct 31, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my thoughts too
curiouser and curiouser…
by nicknorco on Oct 31, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so where is he going?
out of the blue sky bad fit: Columbia ….
other thoughts?
Moo
by Willj on Oct 31, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You said it
Sky. But that’s my default guess at the moment for any kind of transfer.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Oct 31, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is
*Lotto made Van Den Broeck captain during the Tour, more or less. I assume that’s one reason why Cadel is leaving the team, Molly wants to be the top dog. Shack is not exactly the natural move then,
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Oct 31, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sky it is then
I mean, as an Australian he’s [former] property of the Brits anyway.
by dansel on Oct 31, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, well
being descended from the British criminal class has its advantages.
That DNA’s certainly a lot healthier than the british upper class, I mean look at the Royal family.
by LurkerMcLurkerson on Nov 1, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true enough
i’d prefer Sky anyway and i agree that The Shack doesn’t seem like a fit. i just recall there being some chatter about him and The Shack in the summer.
by nicknorco on Oct 31, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shack is the polar opposite of a good move
Wherever he goes he’ll insist on being GT team leader, no?
Based on this, Sky looks a good fit.
- Antipodeans are welcomed as they speak something like the same language. Better than the ones from across the Atlantic, anyway ;-)
- He appears to be suitably clean.
- They could certainly benefit from his experience.
Team Sky wants data, more aggregation of those marginal gains, numbers to crunch rather than Euro sponsor-friendly types wanting to play the celebrity thing. Cadel fits better than those stylish Italians or wildly expressive Spanish riders. Despite the number of good riders they have, would they have a team to put him on the podium?
by Simon_E on Oct 31, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But has Sky helpers to support Evans to a victory?!
That’s why I say….. BMC..
A Giro shot for Evans next year…
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 31, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some useful names
like Gerrans, Froome, Thomas, Nordhaug, Lovkvist. But quite a few are coming from continental teams so I doubt they’ve got what it takes to support a GC podium contender both in the hills and on the flat stages of the world’s biggest 3-week stage race in their first year together.
But wasn’t the same said about Cervelo 12 months ago?
As an aside, quoted in The Guardian, Boardman has tipped Thomas for the TdF prologue TT after his times in last nights 4000m pursuit at the track World Cup:
Asked if he thought that Thomas could win the Tour’s prestigious opening stage, a short time trial, Boardman replied without hesitating. “Yes, I would have thought so. The time he has posted, you have to say the engine is there. He’s a very good bike-handler as well. He’s in the ballpark. It’s undeniable.”His 4000m time was quicker than Wiggins has ever done. Sober up Bradley, you’ve got some competition!
by Simon_E on Oct 31, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spartacus might have something to say about the flavor of the month.
by ursula on Oct 31, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but G is only 23
he has time on his side :-)
by Simon_E on Oct 31, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is that guy?
Geraint Thomas? That’s putting a lot of pressure on such young kid..
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 31, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not that green, though
He has been around a while now, part of the Team GB Olympic setup (Team Pursuit gold in Beijing plus 2007 & 2008 Worlds, more here). I’m sure they’ll treat it as a bonus and/or a profile raising thing rather than his main goal, as seemed the case with Boardman.
by Simon_E on Nov 1, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Spartacus also has time on his side
How many years has he been trouncing in prologues?
by dansel on Oct 31, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true
Tony will likely retire before he does ;-)
by Lou... on Oct 31, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A good move
Now if only he could pick the right teammates to help him in his quest for the top spot.
Sky has a good contigent of riders what about Katusha?
by joeyc on Oct 31, 2009 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The thorn in his flesh was...
Phillipe Gilbert, who at one time insisted that they be co-leaders going into races.
by joeyc on Oct 31, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the thorn?
zero team support and zero management support
Moo
by Willj on Oct 31, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, umm, let's talk about Evans and Garmin
Cheaper than AC, and it’s most definitely a team-oriented concern . . .
by Sui Juris on Oct 31, 2009 6:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can you imagine Vaughters right now?
Evans…Contador…damnit, which do I try to pick?
by dansel on Oct 31, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On talent there's an obvious choice
But that choice might not be available.
by ursula on Oct 31, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thinking more along the lines of...
Does he try to get Evans before anyone else, or wait to see if Contador will split and risk losing Evans…
by dansel on Oct 31, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garmin was my first thought.
Especially if Bert is going to stay put.
"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH
by ELVISGOAT on Oct 31, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I heard the news
Garmin was the first team I thought of.
But god that argyle’s ugly. I wonder how they’d incorporate the rainbow jersey.
by LurkerMcLurkerson on Nov 1, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ergh... I feel sick at the thought
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Nov 1, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he wants better support in the Tour
I’m not sure Sky is the best fit, and if he wants to lead a Tour team Shack isn’t the team either. So who knows.
Look, it's a bird...no, it's a plane....oh never mind it's just fucking balloon boy
by Phil H. on Oct 31, 2009 6:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I knew Phil.. You are briljant! Marking my words
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 31, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he could get Vandevelde and Wiggins to work for him
that might be the missing piece to the TDF puzzle !
I waited a half an hour to give my two toddlers breakfast until I had my Eneco tour coverage sorted, then made sure I got them fed before the sprint. --- Bought With Blood. ..... Hmmm, my kinda people. If only they could explain to my wife why my bike belongs in the house and not the garage. --- Thevaro
by thevaro on Oct 31, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a long time Evans fan
But why would Wiggins want to work for EVans?
Surely he would look back at the 2009 TDF and point out that it was he who finished 4th, not Evans?
I’m not so sure that Garmin would be such a good fit.
Sky on the other hand might be a good personality fit, and that has got to be worth something. Who do they have that can hang with the him in the big climbs?
I also wonder who comprises Evan’s entourage these days? Who (if any) are support riders that he includes in his negotiation package?
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
by muk on Oct 31, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wiggins wouldn't want to work for Evans
but if he were under contact to Garmin and Evans was stronger, I bet both Bradley and Christian would get to work as they have most of their careers.
I waited a half an hour to give my two toddlers breakfast until I had my Eneco tour coverage sorted, then made sure I got them fed before the sprint. --- Bought With Blood. ..... Hmmm, my kinda people. If only they could explain to my wife why my bike belongs in the house and not the garage. --- Thevaro
by thevaro on Oct 31, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally missed the link between Sky and WiggIns and VdV..
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 31, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The flow was in the "not Sky" direction
Not Sky = huge ball of Evil
I waited a half an hour to give my two toddlers breakfast until I had my Eneco tour coverage sorted, then made sure I got them fed before the sprint. --- Bought With Blood. ..... Hmmm, my kinda people. If only they could explain to my wife why my bike belongs in the house and not the garage. --- Thevaro
by thevaro on Oct 31, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
You just called Phil H. brilliant. You might want to check what “marking my words” means.
by Sui Juris on Oct 31, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No dude..
I hust called him briljant. Subtile change
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 31, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very subtle indeed, LOL
Frinkster, I’ve come to realise that if I hang around you for long enough, I’m gonna wind up being fluent in Dutch ;-)
by Lou... on Oct 31, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That
is op de hoek.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Oct 31, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
online translationbot says that means
‘on the angle’. I imagine it has some kind of idiomatic meaning I’m not getting?
by LurkerMcLurkerson on Nov 1, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're overthinking it
I am not interested in actual Dutch.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Nov 1, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But is the Tour Cadel's target?
Obviously he’d like to win it, but it seems a bit of a longshot with Contador defending and Andy Schleck in the wings. If Cadel is honest with himself, he’d be better off taking another shot at the Vuelta.
Has he said anything about what his goal for 2010 is?
by tgartner on Oct 31, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very True but Cadel seems to me like the type to keep
pushing for the summit. Unlike Sastre who would be happy with the hat-trick.
I waited a half an hour to give my two toddlers breakfast until I had my Eneco tour coverage sorted, then made sure I got them fed before the sprint. --- Bought With Blood. ..... Hmmm, my kinda people. If only they could explain to my wife why my bike belongs in the house and not the garage. --- Thevaro
by thevaro on Oct 31, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Katusha...
Noone has said it yet, but the main thing they are missing is a GC contender, and we know they have the budget.
by Huntero on Oct 31, 2009 6:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But evans and the Ruskies?
Not sure that the Kremlin personality fits well with Evans’…
by dansel on Oct 31, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't think "Evans and the Ruskies".
Rather, “Evans and lots and lots of cash.”
by ursula on Oct 31, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'd be back with Robbie McEwan
I always thought they got on well together, unless I missed something.
by LurkerMcLurkerson on Nov 1, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is interest of Pharma-Lotto in Contador.
Sergeant also stated it was unexpected but that there was a clause(??) in his contract which said he could leave if he paid a compensation
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 31, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Found on sportwereld
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/sportwereld/Article/Detail.aspx?articleID=DMF31102009_075
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Oct 31, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lotto might want him, but if Bert has any brains
he’ll ignore them. Astana looks better than Lotto without Evans.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Oct 31, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not Italy if only for personal reasons?
Lampre? who knows but he lives in Italy.
What would be awesome is if this were part of a huge deal getting ready to go down. Evans goes to Astana, Astana releases the Accountant, Accountant goes to Garmin and obviously Wiggins is now at Sky.
Don’t read it that sentence again it only makes sense for a very short while.
Cancellara was robbed! There is none better.
by Mark Frank on Oct 31, 2009 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice thought
Evans lives just inside Switzerland, I think. Lampre could support him well, but I think Sky seems a better fit for his personality.
by dansel on Oct 31, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
s-l doesn't rule out
replacing him with contador
by rowyco on Oct 31, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haaahahaha! Thanks, Marc
I needed the laugh!
All else aside, losing Evans doesn’t free up enough cash. And *Lotto are not known for being generous with the cash, so I can’t see them sweetening the offer enough to even begin to enter the equation. And that’s just one factor…
by Lou... on Oct 31, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is about the Tour
Too coincidental that he just gave an interview emphasizing his interest in the Tour. Also, I find it hard to believe he would opt out without an offer. Surely he knows his next move. Right?
Lampre maybe, but their Tour squad is iffy. Cunego might help him but who knows.
Sky… How are they better than Lotto?
Columbia or garmin makes sense. Columbia for real leadership and decent support: Martin, monfort, etc. Garmin if he likes sharing leadership on a Tour juggernaut.
Katusha makes sense — they need him. Cervelo? Meh. Quick step? They love rainbows.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Oct 31, 2009 10:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
My guess
Columbia
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Oct 31, 2009 10:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Why not Quick Step?
They have space and money already in reserve in hopes of getting Contador. If AC is retained by the Kazakhs or picked up elsewhere, they could spend it on the World Champion instead.
by majope on Oct 31, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quik Step that's too funny.
Not because it’s a bad idea but because they just figured out another way to get the better of Lotto.
Cancellara was robbed! There is none better.
by Mark Frank on Oct 31, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has history there
Wasn’t he riding for QS (or their previous incarnation) when he wore the Maglia Rosa for a day?
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
by muk on Oct 31, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, Mapei
But I reckon that the current incarnation is too far removed from Mapei for there to be ‘history’ in a meaningful sense.
by Lou... on Oct 31, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps
but who supports him? Devolder and Seeldraeyers? Not out of the question but if he has other choices QS shouldn’t be #1. At least until the dollars factor in.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Oct 31, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't they been holding 4-5 spots open for Contador helpers?
I’m just trying to think who could make a big offer this late in the game, and since you brought up QS and their fondness for rainbows, it actually made a kind of sense to me.
by majope on Oct 31, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quickstep does have a gaping Ardennes-sized hole too.
If they could just get Matt Lloyd (and he could stay well and bonnet-side-up) then it wouldn’t be a bad lineup
by dansel on Nov 1, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does Columbia have up their sleeve for next season?
…since they’ve lost so many big riders? What are they up to? A team that deep needs a huge GC man…
by Steno on Oct 31, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And an Ardennes guy
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Oct 31, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put those together with Cavendish
and it would slap the complacency out of a few of the “masterminds.”
by Steno on Oct 31, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well at least Columbia is now a totally different team
from the T-Mobile that he was so unhappy at a few years ago.
by celerity on Oct 31, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Columbia-HTC...yes, yes!
No logical reason. I just like Columbia-HTC a lot. My favorite team. I was sad they lost Hincapie and now Barry. Still have Mick Rogers, fellow Aussie (to Cadel.)
And I really like Cadel Evans. Classy guy. Becoming a more gutsy, though not always a very smart, rider. Columbia could give him access to a good director to polish up his tactics.
by MaestroDon on Oct 31, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and...
…wasn’t Cadel on T-Mobile before? That’s who became Columbia. It would be like coming home. :-)
by MaestroDon on Oct 31, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stapleton
Might not want to bring that up…
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Oct 31, 2009 11:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how much money Columbia has.
Makes me doubt them stepping up.
by ursula on Nov 1, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surely Hincapie + EBH and Cadel are worth similar amounts...
by dansel on Nov 1, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And kirchen
And Burghardt…
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Nov 1, 2009 1:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
But by that logic
why didn’t they just keep those guys?
I still think that Columbia didn’t and does not quite have the cash to either keep all their guys or to get Evans, unless he does not command much if a salary. But I think he’s one of the more expensive salaries in the peloton.
by ursula on Nov 1, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cash situation
the eternal mystery. You could be right.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Nov 1, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am totally blindsided by this
[your PdC dollars at work.]
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Oct 31, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good thing
I procrastinated on that team transfers post and stuff.
by gavia on Oct 31, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah
Good thing I totally forgot to review Silence Lotto. I think CQRanking is using the new name, which confused me.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Oct 31, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But why would he leave?
I thought winning wasn’t everything? Now I don’t know what to believe anymore.
by Katiek on Oct 31, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just knew there was big news on the way ;-)
Yeah, that’s it. It was all part of our plan.
by gavia on Oct 31, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's great that Evans has come into the 2010 mystery realm,
really good fun, a dose of tonic. The motives, the destination…??? Maybe Cadel will do something entirely counter-intuitive and be hugely successful at it.
This is a perfect time for a big piece of the puzzle to bust loose and shake things up.
by Steno on Oct 31, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone
Have a magic 8 ball? We won’t solve this on logic alone.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Oct 31, 2009 11:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Weren't tea leaves
the source of choice for information, at the moment?
by Lou... on Oct 31, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Having no loose tea leaves available...
I turn to the Name Numerology Compatibility Calculator for help. Here is how Cadel matches up with some of the teams that have been mentioned so far:
Cadel Evans + Team Sky = 50.5%
Cadel Evans + Team Katusha = 48.5%
Cadel Evans + Team Columbia HTC = 66%
Cadel Evans + Garmin Slipstream = 36%
Cadel Evans + Quick Step = 49.5%
Oddly:
Cadel Evans + Silence Lotto = 88%
Cadel Evans + Omega Phama Lotto = 85.5%
Maybe you were a bit too hasty, Cadel.
by majope on Nov 1, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if compatability is a negative predictor of success?
Cadel + Silence Lotto = not many wins
Cadel + Garmin Slipstream = World domination?
by dansel on Nov 1, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Muahaha! Nice!
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Nov 1, 2009 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cadel wants more EVIL!
"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH
by ELVISGOAT on Oct 31, 2009 11:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wiggins---->Sky, Cadel---->Garmin
Makes perfect sense to me. Sky has to buy out Wiggy and theres the bucks for the World Champion. Garmin has awesome GT support. No-brainer.
by fancan on Oct 31, 2009 11:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can see Cadel and Vande Velde working well together...
by dansel on Nov 1, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not just Vande Velde.
The team that supported Wiggins to third And Vande Velde to 10.
A fully equipped GT team as far as riders and racing are concerned.
Would Cadel have any problem fitting in with Garmin? I don’t think so. I think He would feel more at home than ever before in His pro road racing career. Would Garmin give total support to the World Champion in any of His goals? Yes.
Dreaming in Technbicolour.;-D
by fancan on Nov 1, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about BMC?
so says a Belgian media source, says they have the “exclusive” news. An Aussie friend of mine had speculated this just within the last few hours too. Google Translate starts off like this:
Our editorial world first learned exclusively that the 32-year-old world champion Australian Cadel Evans coming season for the American BMC Racing Team drives. The news will be confirmed during the day are from the United States.
by guidemd on Nov 1, 2009 1:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
but they're not ProTour licensed
Would Cadel care about that?
by MaestroDon on Nov 1, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thor, Sastre, Hincapie, Ballan aren't worried about non-Protour status.
So I doubt it’s a huge issue.
by dansel on Nov 1, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This looks interesting
For starters, although no source is named there is a distinct indication that there is a source (and not just a case of: “the white dove of knowledge shat on our heads”…)
Confirmation to come later in the day, ’eh? US time, no doubt. So that would be tomorrow, actually. Hmph :-(
by Lou... on Nov 1, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like Cuddles to be at Sky with Scott Sunderland
but Columbia with Rogers and Peiper makes sense too. Unless Wiggo really does go to Sky, I’m not sure how well the Garmin idea works, because Wiggins, rightly, now has aspirations of his own that are not dissimilar to Cadel’s.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Nov 1, 2009 1:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Het Nieuwsblad Sportwereld catern says also BMC
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/sportwereld/Article/Detail.aspx?articleID=DMF01112009_004
Haha
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Nov 1, 2009 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lotto 2.0?
Is there anyone on the team that can support him in the mountains, even as well as Matt Lloyd did at TdF (I suppose JVDB does not count as support)? I mean, Ballan, Burghardt, Hincaipe, Kroon and Schar are one heck of a cobbles team, but can they control a GT not on flat or or transition stages and look after Cadel in the mountains? Can Morabito climb enough to matter on big mountains? This is even assuming they get a bid or that Cadel still targets the TdF (seems likely that he does) when the Vuelta will like be his best chance at a GT next year pending the route announcement.
I mean it seems to me there are better options out there (depending on how interested teams are in him in either Katusha, Sky, Columbia (didn’t he almost go there last year?) and Garmin (may need money or to unload Wiggins if so). Maybe Garmin or Sky could take a one year flier on him if it looks like Contador and/or Wiggins (respectively) will have to serve out their contracts for the year.
Any info/guesses on how much US domestic racing BMC will do next year, or on where their European base of operations would be (although I’d say there is a 99.9% chance it is Switzerland)?
by Nomer on Nov 1, 2009 4:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You don't know this 2 don't you?
And Ballan stated he’s going to ride the Giro. Me thinks that’s what he is going to target. And Butghardt, Ballan and Schar are perfect helpers on the flat. They also have Santambrogio. It’s not super loaded but Frank and Frei are superhelpers in the mountains
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Nov 1, 2009 4:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice graphic
But of course they are helpful on the flat, my question was mountain stages (though it was very poorly worded). Forgot about Frank and Frei though.
I had already looked at Santambrogio’s results in cqrankings, and he seems rather unspectacular in the mountains despite the lombardia break. Many low stage placings in GT mountain stages in the past (although perhaps he was working early and expected to ride the autobus in?).
by Nomer on Nov 1, 2009 4:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No!
Mountains:
Frank and Frei
Semi:
Moos, Morabito, Kroon
Flat:
Ballan, Santambrogio, Burghardt, Schar, Hincapie
Sprinters:
Clerc and Kristoff
One question mark. Don’t think the big names want to ride all the time in a supporting role. They went to BMC for their own chances. Maybe they are not going to like Evans in their team
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Nov 1, 2009 5:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Australian Tv is suggesting Sky. Maybe it's just wishing though...
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Nov 1, 2009 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sky
would make sense if they are waiting on Wiggins for the next year and want a known GT presence for next summer.
BMC seems legitimate though from the news reports and makes a lot of sense to me for two reasons. 1. Cadel would seem to have unchallenged leadership in GTs and 2. Closer proximity to his Switzerland home. Cadel seems to me to be a man who likes security (particularly after the JVDB affair at the TdF) and the comfort of home.
by Nomer on Nov 1, 2009 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that exactly what I had (except santambrogio)?
Perhaps my wording was too scattered and you thought I misunderstood Frank/Frei, but more likely it’s because I misunderstood you point about Santambrogio. As I stated, I neglected Frank and Frei, I realize their role/abilities and I remember how impressive they were in the Dauphine but when I looked into BMC I only looked into new signings and not current riders. It seems BMC have impressive depth for selecting a nine man GT team though, wonder if they’d bother bringing a sprinter to the Tour (I’d guess yes as Clerc is French and they might as well throw their hat in the ring).
Re: the question mark
I don’t see any other GT overall riders in that list (at least at the moment), maybe Evans is content to leave their classics the well alone, not that he’d do the cobbles (their focus it seems IMO) anyway. Who else competes with him (I’d assume you speak of Ardennes/Lombardia) that would get annoyed? If he can work with Gilbert it seems he will accomodate any others. I am sure Evans is just happy to be on a Swiss team and be the undisputed GT leader.
Thanks for the response though.
by Nomer on Nov 1, 2009 5:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I misunderstood your Frank and Frei part!
They were very impressive and Cancellara had a not so easy, buy win?, Suisse RR. One of the 2 made it to the line with him.
But somebody already stated Hincapie would want to ride the ToC. Maybe they are going to split up if Evans is going to ride the Giro.
About the ambitions part. If a Kroon or Ballan are forced in a helpers position it will strongly reduce here chances for GT stages win. I think they moved because they were tired of dragging there GC men through the peloton. Just a thought though. But maybe you are right. Maybe they are happy with there leaders role in the one day races.
And always in for a cycling discussion..
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Nov 1, 2009 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fault is mine
My construction of that paragraph was very poor, it did not really follow logically.
The ToC/Giro split was mentioned in the Wednesday session, seems Ballan has confirmed the Giro and Hincaipe the ToC, so I’d assume we’d see a split American/European team for those two races.
Interesting point about the classics guys being tired of not limited stage hunting opportunities. However, it seems likely they will not have to defend a GC jersey that often and that they won’t have to chase down breaks for their sprinter as long as Cav/Columbia and the others exist. And Evans has never seemed the type to demand total protection in the peloton on flat stages like Lance and others do, so it seems one or two of them could try to go up the road each day.
You see Evans at the Giro for more than training? The course seems to have a lot of climbing for him (absurdly steep and long mountains), but if all the Tour hopefuls avoid it and Menchov can win Giros, I guess Evans can win even with the limited TTs. I think this team is talented enough for a TdF invite particularly after they likely have a very visible cobbles season. Also, it seems Cadel has his heart set on the Tour, although maybe he could be persuaded to target another GT.
by Nomer on Nov 1, 2009 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the last week in Australia Evans has said repeatedly that TdF is still his main focus for 2010
He’s promting his book so he’s doing the media rounds at the moment.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Nov 1, 2009 5:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
just found this quote somewhere in a cyclingweekly article "World Champion Cadel Evans is determined to win the Tour de France and dump his reputation as a runner-up. ‘I am tired of being known as the bloke who finishes second in the Tour de France,’ he told the AAP news agency.
‘I had a lot of bad luck this year but I am already looking ahead to next year and am more determined than ever to win it, I won’t be satisfied until I have.’"
He certainly seems to have his heart set on the TdF.
by Nomer on Nov 1, 2009 5:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has which means that he will likely be disappointed
unless Bert and Andy have bad things happen to them. That said, I respect his determination …
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Nov 1, 2009 6:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But the TdF invitation is a hrad thing to achieve
The PT teams 2008: (Sure about the Tour invitation)
1 AG2R-La Mondiale,
2 Astana,
3 Bouygues Télécom, (Now Bbox)
4 Caisse d’Epargne,
5 Cofidis,
6 Euskaltel-Euskadi,
7 Française des Jeux,
8 High Road (later Team Columbia),
9 Lampre,
10 Liquigas,
11 Silence-Lotto, (Now Pharma?-Lotto
12 Quick·Step,
13 Rabobank,
14 Saunier Duval-Scott, (Now Footon-Servetto)
15 Team CSC (Now Saxo)
16 Team Milram.
17 Crédit Agricole,
18 Team Gerolsteiner,
PRT 2010:
17 Garmin-Chipottle
18 Team Katushya
Likely:
19 Radio Shack (Prt?)
20 Cervelo Test Team
Maybe:
21 VacansOleil
22 Skill-Shimano
23 Besson-Chaurus
24 BMC
They had 20 teams this year.
I don’t think there is a chance they got invited for the TdF
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Nov 1, 2009 6:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad you did that
You’ve not included Sky either, who seem pretty sure of their invite when they talk to the press. At least one of the Dutch teams is guaranteed a spot, what with the start being in Holland, and Besson (or Saur-Sojasun as they will be next year) would expect to get a place as the French wild-card entry.
I’d love to know exactly what’s been going on behind the scenes. A few weeks ago, before the win at the Worlds, it sounded very much like Lotto were trying to bounce Evans into doing the Giro/Vuelta double, leaving the Tour open for local boy Van Den Brouck. Then, since Mendrisio, Cadel has been telling the world that the Tour is his main target for next year, and suddenly we get this break announced on a Saturday evening, when the two sides are about as far apart physically as it is possible to be on this planet.
Has Cadel had any sort of contact with anyone at ASO, or is he just hoping that the rainbow jersey will guarantee an invite? Cervelo at least have Thor to compensate for Sastre’s weak performance this year, but BMC can’t point to anyone in their team who is likely to create some drama in a three week race. Lots of good solid support riders, but no-one is boing to trun on to watch Burghardt and Hincapie ride the first 100k in the wind. Moving there could see Cadel left out in the cold.
by Monty. on Nov 1, 2009 6:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think ASO will probably send an invite BMC's way
Based on having the WC in their race and an almost guaranteed GT podium finisher. They invited Skil Shimano who had nothing to offer the race whatsoever. At least BMC would be able to liven up the race with the possibility of stage wins. There were Pro Tour teams that can’t even say that. But even if ASO don’t invite them to the Tour, there is still the Giro and the Vuelta along with all the one day races. They are guaranteed to do at least one GT next season. I’ve got a feeling that as soon as BMC announces Evan’s signing (if it happens), the first call will be to ASO’s head office to start schmoozing for a Tour start.
If I just had one more gear, I...
by SpunOut on Nov 1, 2009 6:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just now thinking about this
If the bit about the 6 to 7 possible CERA positives from the 2008 Giro come to light prior to the Tour, there may be some teams not being invited anyway. I know this is crazy talk but BMC would surely get a Tour start if that dirty business concludes in time.
If I just had one more gear, I...
by SpunOut on Nov 1, 2009 6:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
See Monty's post.
There is a small chance of invitation. If also Sky would be in the Tour there are a lot of teams pointing for 1 or 2 wildcards. I don’t see it happen.
Why Skill? They did pretty good this year and the Tour starts in Holland. But VacansOleil has probably a better shot with the Feuillu’s brothers.
Also the French team has more chance, if the Tour isn’t full than! Just because they are French. They need replacement for Agritubel.
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Nov 1, 2009 8:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cofidis and BBox aren't PT anymore
though that doesn’t for a second diminish their likelihood of riding the tour.
by dansel on Nov 1, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For what it's worth..
The ASO and PT team from 2008 signed a contract stated all the PT teams from 2008 had an automatic invitation for the coming 4 years
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Nov 1, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is incredible
can anyone remember when the team selection process has been so difficult?
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Nov 1, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good thing!
Will make teams want to race hard!
If I just had one more gear, I...
by SpunOut on Nov 1, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Cancellara was robbed! There is none better.
by Mark Frank on Nov 1, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there have been rumblings
that Prudhomme and the Tour may offer 22 invitations
2 weeks ago:
on aura sans doute plus de difficultés à opérer la sélection, même si on monte à vingt-deux formations retenues, que nous n’en avions eues ces dernières années avec vingt équipes, parce qu’effectivement beaucoup d’équipes méritent le Tour.
“We will have without doubt lots of selection difficulties, even if we increase to 22 teams, that we haven’t had in recent years with 20 teams, because lots of teams deserve to be in the Tour”
Moo
by Willj on Nov 1, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see
a few individual wild card invites to deserving riders that would have to compete without a team, mercenary style.
Moo
by Willj on Nov 1, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hate to say it
but why does Lampre get an invite at this point? They’re totally invisible at the Tour most years.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Nov 1, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And yes
I know the literal answer: the PT.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Nov 1, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They got Petacchi now so that could be fun
Some competition (some, I say) for Cav. Other than that, yeah, Lampre are irrelevant at the Tour.
by ursula on Nov 1, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oooh
Of course, they could informally team up with each other against the pro teams…deals would be cut, discrimination would abound… Damn. Now that would make a great book.
by majope on Nov 1, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
imagine in the future
some new “merckx” who refused to sign with a team ….. fun
Moo
by Willj on Nov 1, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Fox and the Hound on the other side of the Atlantic!
If I just had one more gear, I...
by SpunOut on Nov 1, 2009 7:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can think of a few good helpers on BMC
Jeff Louder comes to mind. He’s had one season of racing in Europe to help adjust and I think he’d develop nicely as a climbing domestique.
by dansel on Nov 1, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chiara on Twitter:
Well,I’ve seen MANY rumours but no official announcements yet, so….?
@avl94 let’s say we’re having a big laugh at reading them! about 3 hours ago from Echofon in reply to avl94
Journalists can’t wait for an official press release instead of writing articles based on RUMOURS? Patience is a virttue
by majope on Nov 1, 2009 7:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Regarding BMC?
Because I don’t think the press release from Silence-Lotto can be viewed as a rumour.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Nov 1, 2009 7:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, regarding his new team.
She posted the link to the Silence-Lotto press release earlier, and later talked about having breakfast with someone who is between jobs. Her Twitter page here.
by majope on Nov 1, 2009 8:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aussies say it's Garmin:
by Grzdylu on Nov 1, 2009 8:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
That article also implies that Evans going to Garmin will mean Wiggins going to Sky
so I think it has legs.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Nov 1, 2009 8:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's identical to the previous rumor that claimed the same deal
only for Contador instead of Evans. Might just be thrifty journalists recycling previous rumors, but to me Evans seems a much better fit for Garmin—so who knows?
by majope on Nov 1, 2009 8:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Press conference tomorrow... today for you I suppose
With Matt White at garmin, I must admit I’m thinking it will happen. I’m strangely disappointed. ‘The Australian’ is horridly right wing on politics but fairly good on cycling so…
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Nov 1, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like that the site has the date as November 2nd, this is all history to the Aussies.
And Brailsford is already flying to NYC to buy Wiggins contract. Makes more sense than BMC if Garmin was an option because they will be a super support team.
Cancellara was robbed! There is none better.
by Mark Frank on Nov 1, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Cadel does go to Garmin, how does the dynamic workout?
I have no idea how much he knows the guys on Garmin. Obviously he knows Matt White and there are a few Aussies on the team, but how will the dynamic go? Obviously, on a team where he feels at home and feels that he has support, he can focus on training and feel confident. We know that when he is focused and confident, he can be scary good. How does it go with Garmin? Is Wiggo going to take an immediate flyer? Is Wiggo going to Sky right now a good idea? Too many questions.
If I just had one more gear, I...
by SpunOut on Nov 1, 2009 9:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Also, is Garmin too evil for Cadel?
If I just had one more gear, I...
by SpunOut on Nov 1, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of which...
Does Vaughters read PdC????
Just a reminder for anyone who’d like to learn of the evil goings on…I’ll be speaking at:http://norcalmtb.org/spon/dinner_2009/index.htm10:34 AM Oct 29th from TwitterBerry
by majope on Nov 1, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Read that and almost spat my coffee onto the keyboard
Surely that is proof.
Oh and Hi JV!
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
by muk on Nov 1, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
that makes my day.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Nov 1, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
Pretty clear ref, there ;-)
Made me laugh.
by gavia on Nov 1, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay JV, then obviously you've seen this here...
“Lose the sideburns, they don’t work for you.”
No horn, watch for finger.
by sminer on Nov 1, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No ted, I've got alot of backers for this one.
No horn, watch for finger.
by sminer on Nov 1, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, you and Nick
but he is from NorCo. Or Norco. Anyway, it can’t be good.
by tedvdw on Nov 1, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
-1
Cancellara was robbed! There is none better.
by Mark Frank on Nov 1, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, we have been personally asked to attend
So which of you lot will be attending, wearing the Hoste-symbol t-shirt?
(unfortunately it’s a bit far for me… and not in the Dutch sense of ‘far’, either!)
by Lou... on Nov 1, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can stop guessing now, it's BMC
No horn, watch for finger.
by sminer on Nov 1, 2009 12:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think so
by Grzdylu on Nov 1, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if LA is going to be jealous to see his 'best teammate ever'
working hard for Cadel.
No horn, watch for finger.
by sminer on Nov 1, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So if BMC...
will they sign a couple more mountain domestique types? Seems like they should.
by ursula on Nov 1, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
little birdie hasn't chirped about that yet
No horn, watch for finger.
by sminer on Nov 1, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone from Lotto you reckon Cadel would want?
Can Lloyd get out of his contract? Other than that I can’t think of anyone who might be willing to go from S-L or that would be of help.
by Nomer on Nov 1, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well BMC certainly has the money to get whoever is available for the job.
Who is available right now to support Evans?
No horn, watch for finger.
by sminer on Nov 1, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Andrey Kashechkin!
Look, it's a bird...no, it's a plane....oh never mind it's just fucking balloon boy
by Phil H. on Nov 1, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm, something tells me no
No horn, watch for finger.
by sminer on Nov 1, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the tainted crew would not fit into BMCs tour hopes
but Rock Racing could put together quite a climbing team, Kashechkin, Sella, Ricco ….
I waited a half an hour to give my two toddlers breakfast until I had my Eneco tour coverage sorted, then made sure I got them fed before the sprint. --- Bought With Blood. ..... Hmmm, my kinda people. If only they could explain to my wife why my bike belongs in the house and not the garage. --- Thevaro
by thevaro on Nov 1, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose Wegelius is a possibility
Had it in my head that he had went to sky, but apparently not. He’d be useful if they could get him and probably unhappy with management: gets left out of Tour, put in as injury replacement, and then made to do all three when tired.
by Nomer on Nov 1, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wegelius? Sky?
Don’t forget 2005. Don’t think Brailsford has.
by civetta on Nov 3, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When Cadel retires..
he’ll make the best secret keeper ever, tight lipped, should be given a job in a monestary or handle other sensitive data.
Not even his own team suspected
by joeyc on Nov 2, 2009 11:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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